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Thursday, January 31, 2008

Bill Clinton:  We Have to Destroy the Economy In Order to Save It

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Or something like that:

In a long, and interesting speech, he characterized what the U.S. and other industrialized nations need to do to combat global warming this way: “We just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ‘cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.”

What a fraud.  All slowing our economy down would do is cause more misery and despair in the name of junk science.  Does anyone need to see any more proof of the contempt that the Democrats and some Republicans like John McCain have for the citizens of this great country.

Here’s the deal, Bill Clinton should donate all of his money to fight “global warming” and go and live in a five hundred square foot apartment like he wants our grandchildren to.  Until he does that he can stick it you know where. 

And why is it that Bill Clinton never even submitted Kyoto to the Senate?

Update:

Wow!  It looks like ABC really went out to screw over *Bill Clinton*!  The quote in context is:

And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada — the rich counties — would say, ‘OK, we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ‘cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.’ We could do that. But if we did that, you know as well as I do, China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren.

That means something entirely different.  Thanks to “A Reader” for pointing this out in the comments.

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Rob… do as they say, not as they do.  Besides, when these envirotwits add 3,000 sq ft wings to their mansions, they’ll be sure to buy sufficient offsets to counter their carbon footprint.

The plebes must sacrifice for the greater good.  And for the children.


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Hoodlumman on January 31, 2008 at 09:29 am

Dammit.  Whistler… not Rob.

I really need to start reading the bylines.


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Hoodlumman on January 31, 2008 at 09:29 am

The Clintons are typical elitists.
You cannot conserve your way to prosperity!

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We Have to Destroy the Economy In Order to Save It

Did Bill say anything about saving the economy?  Because I heard him say that we’re going to destroy the economy to stop global warming.

By the way, who among you will be the first to volunteer your job, or your next pay raise, to stop global warming?

Al Gore’s got the sign up sheet.


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Rob on January 31, 2008 at 09:53 am

Did Bill say anything about saving the economy?  Because I heard him say that we’re going to destroy the economy to stop global warming.

You’re so literal.  I thought my headline sounded good.


The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.


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The Whistler on January 31, 2008 at 10:06 am

rob
your comment here is funny considering your last two heros… bush jr and reagan… have fucked our economy more than I COULD IF I WERE PRESIDENT AND I WAS TRYING TO FUCK THE ECONOMY. billy jeffy was just popular and he had a more natural fake smile than your guys do. lighten up.

Sparkie Arbuckle on January 31, 2008 at 10:12 am

And Sparkless has no clue what he’s talking about.


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The Whistler on January 31, 2008 at 10:14 am

All slowing our economy down would do is cause more misery and despair in the name of junk science.

or in the name of junk wars. or junk cronyism and no bid bullshit… as it has for the last 8.

Sparkie Arbuckle on January 31, 2008 at 10:15 am

toot
how’s the economy right now, you tart?

Sparkie Arbuckle on January 31, 2008 at 10:16 am

US GDP increased 2.2% in the current estimates for 2007.  That’s off a bit from the 2006 numbers, but it’s not that bad either. 

The fourth quarter appears to have been a bit weaker at .6% growth but that’s coming off an excellent 3rd quarter which was at 4.9%.  Besides those numbers are preliminary and will likely be adjusted. 

All we heard all month was how bad retail sales were.  They were up over 4% in December on top of a really excellent year last year.

Maybe you should quit taking your economic information from Keith Olbermann.


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The Whistler on January 31, 2008 at 10:25 am

I swear, Sparkie Arbuckle has some kind of bipolar disorder. On some days his comments show an analytical intellect. On other days such as today, it’s like he shit his brains out.

likwidshoe on January 31, 2008 at 10:27 am

I think he’s on and off his medication.  I don’t know if it’s legal or illegal.


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The Whistler on January 31, 2008 at 10:30 am

denial is not a river in africa. i mean outside. right now. in the world. the economy. not in dreamland.

my fucking grocery bill went up 25 bucks in the last month. same stuff i always buy. my analytic intellect says that’s not so good.

Sparkie Arbuckle on January 31, 2008 at 10:37 am

Yeah Twinkies and Cheetoh’s are expensive aren’t they.

Blame the environmental stupidity on rising grocery prices and I’ll agree that Congress as well as President Bush are wrong for pushing ethanol even though it helps farm regions like where I live.


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The Whistler on January 31, 2008 at 10:43 am
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I understand Sparky’s grocery bill is one of the Dow key indicators.  If it’s up $25, that’s bad for Sparky (or his mom), but it might be good for the rest of us (that would be the people who aren’t you, Sparkle).  Economics is a heady subject Sparkster, and I can tell you these guys are eating your lunch--something you can hardly afford.

Tuna on January 31, 2008 at 11:06 am

Sparkie Arbuckle - my fucking grocery bill went up 25 bucks in the last month.

So your food bill went up for the first time since WW2. Prices have been dropping steadily since then. Only recently has the cheapest food in the history of mankind become a bit more expensive.

What changed? I don’t know. Any ideas? So many variables. What can it be? Gee, I don’t know. Is there anything we can do right now? Maybe we can order it like kings. Maybe we can just will it away. Think that will help?

likwidshoe on January 31, 2008 at 11:16 am
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Huh. ABC quoted him out of context. Somebody screwing with Bill....

Re: Slowdown [Iain Murray]

And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada — the rich counties — would say, ‘OK, we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ‘cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.’ We could do that. But if we did that, you know as well as I do, China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren.

From Iain Murray, who’s no Clinton apologist.

A Reader on January 31, 2008 at 11:48 am

A Reader this is a bash the democrats blog. And bash them they do no matter how they twist and spin the truth (even to the point of sometimes lying).

ellinas on January 31, 2008 at 11:58 am

ellinas - you’d have to back up your charges.

As it is now, you’re just blowing hot air.

likwidshoe on January 31, 2008 at 12:09 pm

A Reader this is a bash the democrats blog.

Is that your justification for your unrelenting lying hatespew against conservatives here?  A weak excuse at best.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on January 31, 2008 at 12:14 pm

denial is not a river in africa. i mean outside. right now. in the world. the economy. not in dreamland.

Or in the lying leftie MSM, which has been trying to cause a recession for the entire Bush administration.
All they have to show for their efforts is a temporary slowdown.  You’re dreaming if you don’t recognize how strong our economy is, Sparkie, but then, that’s par for the course for you.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on January 31, 2008 at 12:18 pm

A Reader is correct as Clinton’s quote was taken so out of context that he’s accused of saying the opposite of what he actually said. When will the media bias end?! wink


No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear
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MikeAdamson on January 31, 2008 at 01:01 pm

I updated and bumped the story to the top.

I’m pretty surprised that ABC would smear Clinton like this.  Must be an Obama guy?


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The Whistler on January 31, 2008 at 01:16 pm

Or an incompetent illiterate.


No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear
*Edmund Burke*

MikeAdamson on January 31, 2008 at 01:25 pm

Clinton advocated an economic slowdown, then pointed out how it might not work.  He voted for it before he voted against it.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on January 31, 2008 at 01:25 pm

Actually, the quote illustrates a much more sinister agenda than simply slowing down our economy; a one-world socialist govt that would force the slowdown on everyone.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on January 31, 2008 at 01:28 pm

or junk cronyism and no bid bullshit…

Yawn. More stupidity about that dreaded boogeyman Halliburton?

When Factcheck.org checked the facts about allegations by Democrats that there was a scandal because of the “no-bid” contracts awarded to Halliburton they stated, “It is false to imply that Bush personally awarded a contract to Halliburton. The ‘no-bid contract’ in question is actually an extension of an earlier contract to support U.S. troops overseas that Halliburton won under open bidding. In fact, the notion that Halliburton benefited from any cronyism has been poo-poohed by a Harvard University professor, Steven Kelman, who was administrator of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy in the Clinton administration. ‘One would be hard-pressed to discover anyone with a working knowledge of how federal contracts are awarded...who doesn’t regard these allegations as being somewhere between highly improbable and utterly absurd,’ Kelman wrote in the Washington Post last November.” (Emphasis added.)

But, you know Halliburton DOd contracts did double from 1998 - 2000. Who was pres then?

I’ll wait for you to run to your masters and get some talking-points in order to reply.


""That’s the problem with you lefties, you’re not willing to get your hands dirty. I’d suggest you roll up your sleeves.”

-Jack Bauer

Hoss on January 31, 2008 at 02:40 pm

I’ll wait for you to run to your masters and get some talking-points in order to reply.

How about WHO CARES?

Works for me…

golfmann on January 31, 2008 at 04:22 pm
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Is Bill Clinton the only person on the planet prepared to talk openly about a real global issue, one that is ominously looming before humanity on the far horizon?

What I find surpirsing is this: even though Bill Clinton has “stepped it up” by talking about the need to slow the global economy—given its leviathan scale and, perhaps, soon to become unsustainable growth rate—there remains one problem, the proverbial “mother” of all global challenges, about which Republicans and Democrats, the self-proclaimed Masters of the Universe and ordinary people, the corporatists and environmentalists, leaders and followers remain in virtually total denial.... trenchantly unwilling to discuss openly:

OVERPOPULATION ISSUE OVERLOOKED BY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES

http://www.madison.com/tct/mad/topstories/269259

THE CAPITAL TIMES, Madison, WI
Rob Zaleski — 1/25/2008

Thanks for your attention. Comments are invited.

Steven Earl Salmony on February 3, 2008 at 07:58 am

SES: If the growth rate is really “unsustainable” as you claim, then you have nothing to worry about, do you?  It will “slow down” by itself.  The reality is, you’re trying to sell a used car: “The Population Bomb” by Paul Ehrlich, which is simply a piece of NeoMalthusian drivel.  Good luck with that.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on February 3, 2008 at 08:57 am
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Steven. Is that the same global population bomb that Paul R. Ehrlich warned in 1968 would lead to: “in the 1970s and 1980s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death”, that nothing can be done to avoid mass famine greater than any in the history, and radical action is needed to limit the overpopulation.

You folks have to drop the “Sky is Falling” rhetoric. It’s no longer funny. Amazing how the left says that the Republicans use the “politics of fear” and you’ve just predicted that the world will end if we don’t immediately turn back the clock to the stone age and thereby CAUSE the deaths of millions of people.

Manmade global warming is a LIE! It’s purpose is to permit a socialist/one world political movement to handcuff and weaken Western society, but principally the United States.

And yes, I am proud to state my environmental credentials. What are yours Steve? I worked for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in Washinton, DC for a number of years and was acquainted with this issue very early on. It’s the biggest scam of all time and will suck needed resources away from poverty, literacy and health programs worldwide.

Mike's America on February 3, 2008 at 11:13 am
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Something is happening that many too many people appear not to be seeing, I suppose.

Scientific evidence is springing up everywhere that indicates the massive and pernicious impact of the human species on the limited resources of Earth, its frangible ecosystems and life as we know it.

Guided by mountains of carefully and skillfully developed research regarding climate change, top rank scientists like Dr. Rajendra K. Pachauri, Dr. James Hansen, Dr. Hans J. Schellnhuber and Dr. Christopher Rapley issued a Climate Code Red emergency declaration this month to leaders of governments and to the family of humanity proclaiming the necessity for open discussion and action by politicians and economic powerbrokers.

From my humble perspective, many leaders of the global political economy are turning a blind eye to human over-consumption, overproduction and overpopulation activities that can be seen recklessly dissipating the natural resources and dangerously degrading the environs of our planetary home. The Earth is being ravaged; but it appears many leaders are willfully refusing to acknowledge what is happening.

Because the emerging global challenges that could soon be presented to humanity appear to so many fine scientists as human-induced, leaders have responsibilities to assume and duties to perform, ready or not, like them or not.

Perhaps leadership in our time has too often chosen to ignore whatsoever is somehow real in order to believe whatever is politically convenient, economically expedient, socially agreeable, religiously tolerated and culturally prescribed. When something real directly conflicts with what leaders wish to believe, that reality is denied. It appears that too many leaders are content to hold tightly to widely shared and consensually validated specious thinking when it serves their personal interests.

Is humanity once again finding life as we know it dominated by a modern Tower of Babel called economic globalization? That is, has human thinking, judging and willing become so egregiously impaired by our idolatry of the artificially designed, manmade, global political economy that we cannot speak intelligibly about anything else except economic growth and profits without sounding like blithering idiots?

Steven Earl Salmony on February 16, 2008 at 06:38 am

Scientific evidence is springing up everywhere that indicates the massive and pernicious impact of the human species on the limited resources of Earth...

There is no “limited resources”. We are only limited by our genius. The universe is our playground. We are not going to run out of the universe until the end of time.

likwidshoe on February 16, 2008 at 07:20 am
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