*Yawn*
Hannitized is getting so he knows exactly what our response will be to his drooling drivel!

“Oh, and find me that social worker making $85,000.”

i would like to know that person as well. my guess is the person in charge of them is making that much, but the regular line folks dont make enough to put up with all the crap the ‘winners’ they work with give them.

summary; they are like teachers ………. well……. except that they can get fired, sued, make less and have to work 12 month a year.

On a side note: this weekend I got to try my hand at shutting down an illegal party we found, that was being held, without permission, at our ski club. A so-called friend of a member had a flyer posted on the website of a promotional company he had created. To our surprise we saw a picture of a band in our club.

Apparently, this company had been throwing bashes on this desolate island for months. A total of (5) parties have been thrown by this organization, illegally transporting people from the harbor to the island and selling tickets and serving alcohol. We also learned the security had been fired because they did not tolerate minors being in the vicinity.

It took much work and communication with the DLNR, Coast Guard and HPD to get them to respond, as the jurisdiction was that of DLNR but the crime was something the HPD had to respond to, but the HPD had no boats. Pretty clever work on the part of the pirates.

We were able to provide transportation for violation of trespassing/breaking and entering and property damage.

Some 600 people were found on our island, with no power, not restroom facilities and unsafe conditions for an event of that size. Our dock was overloaded with bodies to the point where it was submerged under water. Our ladders had been destroyed because they were shoved into the coral sand and reef.

Maybe people like Kenny don’t mind when people break laws, but I am quite sure the neighbors who live in the harbor get irritated with the live bands playing until 3am in the morning, and the screams and noise of a bunch of drunk mainlanders that have no respect for others, or the law.

Another reason why I dislike spoiled mainlanders who are uneducated and disrespectful to the culture of the areas they invade.

Yeah, well I seem to have been the guy to raise the issue of zoning.

Rob is probably too stupid to understand what zoning laws, are, and why they are important.

At least Bubba is debating the issue….even though he thinks opinion over rides the municipal zoning commission.

Sounds like it’s a property rights issue. I bet the neighboring land owners complained because the church wasn’t operating within it’s zoned rights. You righties love laws and their enforcement, you should be for this.

“Hannitized, when zoning laws preclude a church from running a soup kitchen, yes, they ought to be amended or ignored. Why do you advocate letting the poor go hungry? Yeesh. Cold hearted child of unmarried parents you are!”

so, we are free to do whatever we want?

“Its as predictable as the sunrise that every leftist that uses SAB is a statist that supports the tyranny of government over the individual. They are all totally for government interference in every facet of our lives. Creepy.”

anti-government and limited government are two different things. when do i get to pick the laws i have to follow?

The point is that just because they can zone doesn’t mean they should.

Rob,

That very basic distinction is quite beyond his comprehension.

You don’t have a clue how crazy you are, do you? Here is how crazy you are, herpitized:

“The responsible women told me right before we were going to have protected sex and indicated they were not having a “break out”. HSV-1 or HSV-2 are usually visual. I didn’t stick around long as one was in a transition period, as was I, she just wanted to hit it because we worked together and because of the tension. The second I just lost interest after learning the facts. So I reduced my risk exposure down to one experience only, per woman.
I have never contracted an STD. But I sometimes take pills for Clamydia just to be safe, because its hard to diagnose and is most common in women.

Hannitized on May 10, 2009 at 10:13 am”

Crazy and stupid.

You are obsessed with government being dismantled. Government is the people.

At a minimum, government needs to be scaled back. And, yes, in some areas it needs to be dismantled.

We, the people, cannot afford the government we have now, and the current administration continues to pile up even more liabilities while systematically discouraging the only possible means at our disposal for paying for any of it… sustained, private sector economic growth.

Jimmy,

I think your concern over a perceived hypocrisy stems from the fact that you are confusing rights that don’t impact others peoples lives, such as gay marriage, and behavior that clearly does, such as soup kitchens in the middle of a nice, residential neighborhood.

It’s not like the law says they can’t serve the needy, that they can do in properly zoned areas. With gay marriage, well…..that’s just banned in most states, period.

There are of course other issues, but that was the first one that came to mind.

What else?

Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt?

This issue demonstrates why the liberal/conservative labels don’t always work. A few years ago, there was a bill in the ND legislature to prevent churches and other nonprofits from doing just this. The proponents were “conservative” business leaders, who argued that the churches and other nonprofits were unfairly cutting into business of for-profit restaurants. Opponents included “liberal” community activist types who argued that churches should be allowed to provide such meals.

The argument was never that “If you build a building, you can do whatever you want in it.” But instead it was, “If a zoning commission approves a massive dining hall, they have approved a massive dining hall. They cannot get mad when it is used for it’s purposes.”

Gawd….you really have no idea how stupid you are, do you?

I hoped your position wasn’t that stupid, because that shows you have no idea what you are talking about. Zoning laws can’t prevent you from putting a building in an area, they can only tell you how the land is used, or how tall your building is, or lot, ect. ect. But they can not say, “No, we won’t let you put a church here”.

Your lying, or profoundly stupid. Take you pick, neither make you look smart. Again, you are pretending to know what you are talking about kid. You’re third rate.

Dimwitted Rob Port doesn’t understand what zoning laws are. Nor does he understand the difference between saying you can’t feed the homeless on church grounds, vs. feeding them at all.

And isn’t he showing his jealousy about Union workers making more than twice what he does??

i do support this guy. 100%. everyone has to follow the law. everyone. crap like this is no different than the wet house here in fargo… the folks that sit on our city commission voted to build a wet house…… in someone elses neighborhood. you know, where the ‘little people’ live. the ‘little’ ones with no money to hire lawyers and are too busy watching american dance off and working overtime to pay their property taxes…..

people in the public eye always seem to say, ‘things like this are a great idea as long as they dont affect me.’ its funny…… they always leave the ‘affect me’ part out. to all the robs of the world that think this guy is nuts, all you need to do is let your neighbor do something you hate on a GRAND scale and you will cry holy hell.

besides, all they need to do is stop, get their land rezoned or move the church. easy fix.

Jimmypop, when zoning laws have no correlation whatsoever to actual public benefit, yes, they need to be amended. Is that so complicated?

Geez. Well whose opinion do we take to determine what is “actual public benifit”??? Yours?

Give it a rest. Maybe the neighbors did complain? How do you know?

Here’s the thing….why don’t you call Senator Fred Hemmings (R) of Hawaii and ask him about zoning laws in his neighborhood of Lani Kai?? Ask him how that neighborhood likes it when people from the mainland buy coastal property and then rent it out to tourists who party in the neighborhood?

Go for it. Explain to him how the zoning laws don’t benefit the neighborhood, and that his neighborhood should essentially become a mini resort for the wealthy.

Or maybe ask him if he rather those houses become soup kitchens.

None of you……….think.

Exactly!!

I have volunteered to serve the poor, working with churches…have any of you??? The area I did this in was definitely a zoned area. I thought to myself, how do poor people get here…but they did. Including one FedEx driver who came by for his Xmas meal……(like he needed it).

Churches who are interested in serving the poor, can. They will find a means to do so.

Something tells me that as soon as your neighbors stop abiding by zoning laws, your tune will change. But, I am just intellectually honest, that’s the difference.

Astonishingly ironic that Hannitized would say this…
“You only offer hyperbole, because you are not a critical thinker…”
… when Hannitized hasn’t had a critical thought in his life and is the master of hyperbole.
But then… that’s the chief characteristic of a partisan hack.

We just like kicking sanni in the teeth, its stupidity is quite entertaining to watch also.

Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt?

Right after you prove your claims, whiny lying c^nt.

“even though he thinks opinion over rides the municipal zoning commission.”

and the rights of other property owners.

Hanni you have nine thousand nine hundred and forty eight comments since the last time you changed your name. Your current count is only three hundred and eighty six.

Nearly ten thousand comments full of lies, race baiting, misogyny, bashing the military and making a general @ss of yourself. And you don’t have the balls to stand behind anything but a small fraction of your full Fullofcr@pitized idiocy.

Wouldn’t care to link to all those comments and prove me wrong, would you Fullofcr@pitized? Didn’t think so!

From our founding until the past few decades, it was the Churches that fed, clothed and provided shelter for most of the poor. During the Great Depression it was the Churches that filled the gap, not government. Sadly, with government regulations it is becoming harder and harder for the Church to legally help those in need.

PROOFoundly stupid gets emotional when the facts and logic get in the way of Rob Port rant about his inability to earn income, or a law that needs to be obeyed that impacts what he believes is his political base.

Yawn.

Kenny,

Go ahead and show to us how you keep believing you are right about things, when clearly you have ben proven wrong! Go ahead and show us that your delusions are what you cling to when debating someone smarter than you are, even though you have no idea of it.

So let’s say that they are violating zoning laws for the neighborhood that they are in. Now raises the question of whether those laws are appropriate and whether they should be amended.

If the church has the facility to feed the needy, then why should they not be allowed to? What is the harm that would be done from amending the law to allow them to continue their charity?

Additionally, if the church is forced to relocate or lease a separate venue to operate a soup kitchen, then each dollar spent is money that will not be available for food.

question for all the conservatives here; why do you suddenly care to not follow laws or care about the impact to fellow citizens of those that dont?

question to the liberals; why do you suddenly care about property and protecting personal freedom?

this is my main problem with the party for each side… the hypocrisy is so freaking maddening!!! either you like the freedom to pursue happiness and not be impacted by poor choices of others or you dont. yes, it is black and white. period. you all like big government, but only when it suits your needs. governments only role should be to protect you from others doing you harm. yes, it is that black and white.

Where is YOUR rational coherent thinking? Would it be:

So you are saying I should like people who spread hatred and lie, spin things because are too stupid to understand what the read?

Effe-you fat man. Your motives are disgusting or your stupidity. I am quite sure you are lying intentionally to spread your lies and hatred.

I can’t think of one nice thing to say about your fat-A-ss. You know I nailed the details, but you can’t resist your chance to take a cheap shot at unions, that have nothing to do with this situation. You are just trying to stir things up, because your are a miserable doughboy.

I mean, I know you take yourself so seriously that you think everything that you say is brilliant, but none of it ever is. I’m laughing that some dude who’s ENTIRE argument is “F you fat ass.” thinks he has ANY room to criticize anyone else’s argument.

Don’t worry Hanni, I get it, it’s frustrating to be less intelligent than a “third rate DJ moron”, but those are the cards you were dealt…Life sucks. Get over it.

Um, no Jimmy, I’m sorry, but you can’t. In many communities you can’t even build a shed or a fence without running it by some zoning board. You certainly can’t build a multi-building church complex. You have to present a basic plan to a zoning board, often with blueprints. You have to say what you’re going to use the buildings for, maximum occupancy, etc.

So unless the church lied to the zoning commission, which we have no evidence for, then the commission approved a dining hall, and is no complaining about it being used as a dining hall.

There’s no hypocracy boss.

No, that doesn’t miss the point. It IS the point.

When the church was approved to build (buildings have to be approved by zoning boards), they had to tell the board exactly what they’d build. Unless they lied to the board (which we have no proof of), then the approval to build their plans is an endorcement of whatever they’ll do with those plans. The community cannot approve a gym, and then complain when it’s used as a gym.

Yet that’s exactly what this community is doing, complaining about a dining room/fellowship hall that is being used as intended.

Jimmypop, when zoning laws have no correlation whatsoever to actual public benefit, yes, they need to be amended. Is that so complicated?

Just like any other government program; if it ain’t workin’, END it. It’s the essence of limited government and liberty.

“Third rate, that’s your style.”

Shrug. At least I don’t come on pretending to be an indispensible part of the government. I don’t pretend I rub elbows with generals and have sex with movie stars.

Here’s what I don’t get about you Hanni. I am more intelligent than you, and have shown you to be nothing but a fool on multiple threads. By talking me down, you make it sound like you’re losing debates to frigging Rain Man here. Your “logic argument” was “Rob is too stupid to know what zoning laws are”. But as I showed above, zoning laws aren’t what YOU think they are either. If that’s your “brilliant debate”, color me unimpressed.

“And isn’t he showing his jealousy about Union workers making more than twice what he does??”

So criticizing someone who makes less than you makes you an insensitive rich bastard. Criticizing someone who makes more than you means you’re jealous.

Grow Up, read the post, then find something relevant to say about it.

From the church website:
“A neighbor complained because we were feeding the homeless on church property. So, two weeks ago, we were told by the City of Phoenix that we cannot feed the homeless on our property. It was said that we were in violation of our zoning ordinance. As explained to us, feeding the homeless can only occur in a commercial or industrial zones, and we are residential. But I believe the officials are redefining us as a “Charity Dining Hall”…or a “Religious Mission.” Both of those entities have these zoning restrictions. Our appeal to the city is that we are a “Church” and as such, the zoning ordinance does not restrict us from feeding the homeless”.

Seems to me this has nothing to do with unions and social workers.
Rob used sleight of hand to attack his favorite targets.
Shame on Rob. It ain’t his first time and I guess it wont be his last.
This is what a true propagandist and political hack does: Takes a neighborhood dispute and elevates it to union bashing, anti- government screed and attacks on public employees.
Oh! The shame.

“tell me how much of a crush you have on my avatar.”

I am SO jealous!
He says mine is “ridiculous.”
Maybe he’s just, you know, making a virtue out of not getting the jokes?

So screw the hungry people. Always a good philosophy.

Neighbors dont like the unwashed masses. Let them starve.

Oh, and find me that social worker making $85,000.”

Sure. Barack Hussein Obama

We shall build a bordello next to your house.
After all, because they can zone doesn’t mean they should.

Bat,
That very basic distinction is quite beyond your comprehension.

You people, as generous as you think you are, don’t want to feed the hungry anyway. Just yesterday you were complaining about food stamp use.

The more desperation the sooner we institute socialism. Either that or we simply start beating it out of the rich.

I prefer the latter.

I don’t remember any such bill, WaterJoe.

Do you have a bill number of a news article? Because it sounds like bunk to me.

Proof, I believe this was an episode of Hawaii Five-O.
perhaps Hanni’s delusions now include the notion that he’s a latter day Jack Lord.

“Your poorly structures, um, paragraphs,”

As long as you keep pwning yourself like this, Timmy, er Hansen, er Hanni, there’s really hardly anything I need to add.

“question for all the conservatives here; why do you suddenly care to not follow laws or care about the impact to fellow citizens of those that dont?”

Unpack? Please?
The only thing holding me back from answering this question is my complete noncomprehension of it.
It’s the placement of the term “not” that’s the problem, here. I think.
Part of the problem, anyway.
I seriously can’t tell what the hell you’re even asking.

Ha!
I’ll bet Hanni feels like this all the time!