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Actually, bat, tolerance has little to do with the Christian disdane for the bible burning.  In the bible there is a quote that says that God will not be mocked which is another way of saying ‘what goes around comes around’. 

Oh yeah, God also said that ‘revenge is mine’.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

It is clearly more convenient for liberals to find any little supposed similarity between Christianity and any other belief system responsible for horrible crimes, than to acknowledge the obvious and glaring differences which declare the virtue of Christianity. 

(That would be any other belief system exclusive of atheism of course.)

Dogma aside, there is a fundamental difference between the intolerant dictates of Islam, and Christians’ approach toward our fellow man. It is a difference well worth keeping in mind.  especially by those on the Left who are themselves pretty consistently intolerant.

Bat you are indeed delightful.  For only a screeching right-wing apologist could find a way to turn the intolerant, religious fundamentalist act of burning bibles into an opportunity to beat Muslims over the head, who happen to have nothing to do with this incident.

Congratulations Bat.  You have discovered that Americans are more tolerant than both the Jews and the Muslims.  Hoorah.

This post amounts to nothing more than a blatant distraction from reality.

How quickly the ball less one (Eunichized) forgets…

A (false) rumor of a Koran in a toilette spawned violent protests thoughout the Mohammedean infested regions of the world, whereas the incident above caused no such outbreak amongst the Christians which Eunichized and its ilk so frequently compare to the followers of the despoiler of barnyard animals.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Rodney,

Why are you so concerned about my balls? 

Anyway, getting back to the subject (and is the fact that the fundamentalists burned the bibles), maybe you should be asking ourselves, why are we working so hard to defend those friends of ours in Israel who hate our religion and our freedoms so much?

After all, it is you folks who seem to care so much about the Muslims, who hate Christianity.  Now here we are creating all sorts of problems in the ME to defend people who hate Christianity.  Go figure.

Only a screeching, leftwing moonbat with an unwarranted arrogance, a modestly improving vocabulary, and a near psychotic desperation to win at least one debate on “facts and issues” would offer such a public display of cognitive myopia in “misunderestimating” the comparison between Christians’ tolerance in the face of a perceived sacrilege and that of their medieval Muslim counterparts.

Furthermore, if you could read and comprehend as well as you prattle, you’d realize that there was a reason I included cities from six different countries in my post, rather than confining my remarks to the US.  Nor did I make the mistake of lumping all “Jews” together as you have, or implying that Jews are somehow not to be counted as Americans.  But then liberals like you are the ones who insist on group identity politics in the first place.

Here’s a tip for you, H, if you don’t understand what’s being said, ask a grown-up to explain it… don’t try to fake it.  Your rhetorical fumbling is a blatant distraction to the rest of us!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Interesting… I’ve made a similar mistake in first posting the above comment on another thread.

My apologies, all!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

As a vicious esponce to the “bible burning”, I refuse to put lox on my bagels. I’m also going to say that Adam sandler is only “kind of funny.”

Showed them, didn’t I?

...why are we working so hard to defend those friends of ours in Israel who hate our religion and our freedoms so much?

...Now here we are creating all sorts of problems in the ME to defend people who hate Christianity.

Wow!  Talk about leftwing bigotry!  Of course you’ve got it exactly backwards.  If all Israelis, as you’ve implied, “hate our religion and our freedoms” as you’ve stated, how is it that this small group of Orthodox zealots had the freedom to do what they’ve done in the first place?  I thought you guys on the Left were supposed to be about diversity, inclusiveness, and of course, tolerance.  What happened to all that idealism pap you’ve spreading about?

First you inform us by poorly hidden implication that American Jews aren’t really Americans.  Now you’re telling us that the one state in the Middle East that offers its citizens, Jews, Christian, Muslims, and even misanthropic secularists alike, more personal liberty and more democracy than any other state in the region, that that state doesn’t believe in freedom, hates Christianity and is unworthy of America’s friendship and protection?

Tell me: Is this the sort of “new politics” we can expect as public policy if the rookie Barack Obama is elected president?

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

why are we working so hard to defend those friends of ours in Israel who hate our religion and our freedoms so much?

One could just as easy say ”why are we working so hard to defend those lefties in the USA who hate our country and our freedoms so much”?

Oh, yeah, they (the lefties) get all worked up about a bible burning but burning our flag is okay.  The lefties like freedom of expression only when they are doing the expressing.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Oh, yeah, they (the lefties) get all worked up about a bible burning but burning our flag is okay.  The lefties like freedom of expression only when they are doing the expressing.

No, Bible burning is OK too.  I personally wouldn’t do it, but there is nothing illegal about it, nor should there be.

Hawk, if I have the right person in mind, is not my favorite person here at SA (not my least favorite either), but I must agree with him that while it is a repugnant and dispicable act, there should be no law against Bible burning. If free speech has any meaning at all, it must protect the bible burning Muslim, Orthodox Jew, those of other faiths or atheists, though the latter wouldn’t waste their time or fuel. Free speech must protect the KKK, White Supremists shouting vile racial epithets and expressing their hate; the Black preacher saying G-d America; and while some at SA may hate this, it should also protect the Christian evangelist on the street corner yelling “repent!,” or the pastor in the pulpit, quoting Scripture and saying that God condemns homosexuality.

It is also well known there is absolutely no love lost between myself and Bat One; but his point was not only clear, but absolutely correct. The lack of reaction by Christians to this event as compared to even something as mild as verbal abuse of the Qur’an and the reaction thereto by militant Muslims, worldwide is striking. The latter engages in threats, violence and even murder; while the former prays for the Orthodox Jews and simply sends in more New Testaments in hopes of getting the Good News to as many Jews as possible, all peacfully. I believe that was Bat Ones point, the whole reason for the thread; that is, to compare how each religion reacts to attacks upon their faith. I think that kind of comparison needs to be made often, as those defending Islamic militants tend to compare current Islamic terrorism to the Crusades, and they need to be reminded that the modern world gives us a totally different view of both groups.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman,

Thank you for the endorsement!  Your comments are both precise… and refreshingly concise.  Even the gratuitous one about me!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat,

Wow!  Talk about leftwing bigotry!  Of course you’ve got it exactly backwards.  If all Israelis, as you’ve implied, “hate our religion and our freedoms” as you’ve stated, how is it that this small group of Orthodox zealots had the freedom to do what they’ve done in the first place? 

I don’t mind wasting a few seconds to point out that while I was somewhat vague, in no way was I implying all Jews hate Christianity.  Certainly we can see, by the evidence of your post, that they do.

The left most certainly is about tolerance.  It is the right who is the group that stomp their when Mulsims are intolerant of Christianity. Yet, here we are watching some of our friends in Isreal, burn bibles.  Wow. 

What are you going to say about that?  Why not condemn the fundamentalist jews, like you do fundamental Islam?

First you inform us by poorly hidden implication that American Jews aren’t really Americans.  Now you’re telling us that the one state in the Middle East that offers its citizens, Jews, Christian, Muslims, and even misanthropic secularists alike, more personal liberty and more democracy than any other state in the region, that that state doesn’t believe in freedom, hates Christianity and is unworthy of America’s friendship and protection?

What I actually suggested was that Jews, in Isreal, burned bibles, because they clearly hate Christianity.  But at least you are talking about the issue at hand now.  Congrats.

Further, I am curious as to why you are not upset about this?  After all, it is this type of intolerance that you find so upsetting with the Muslims, so why do you offer these Jews an excuse?  Certainly Israel can take care of itself.  I was largely questioning the rights commitment to fighting those who hate Christianity.

DOC,

One could just as easy say ”why are we working so hard to defend those lefties in the USA who hate our country and our freedoms so much”?

Uh......ok.  ???

Oh, yeah, they (the lefties) get all worked up about a bible burning but burning our flag is okay.  The lefties like freedom of expression only when they are doing the expressing.

I don’t think any leftie is worked up about our friends in Israel burning our bible.  I dont think we are worked up about Muslims burning our flag either.  It has always struck me as an immature version of idol worship to allow that sort of thing to get me riled up.

And what makes you think that you are defending lefties?

Excellent post bat one. I agree with Neiman; you hit the nail square on the head.

A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

As usual, H misses the point and tries to pick a fight over irrelevant bullshit.  The point is that Christians don’t start threatening to kill people over their Holy Book being desecrated, as do the Muslims.  We’re a little more secure, I guess.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

Even the gratuitous one about me!

It was deliberate, I thought that it was important to highlight our less that cordial relationship so that my support for your comments appeared to be what it was - genuine, not just a conservative mindlessly supporting another conservatives, but rather my honest appreciation of the thoughts you expressed about this situation.

Now don’t you feel silly?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Heh… worthy of a repost:

The point is that Christians don’t start threatening to kill people over their Holy Book being desecrated, as do the Muslims.  We’re a little more secure, I guess.

I think that an omnipotent God is quite capable of defending His own Word!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

As usual, H misses the point and tries to pick a fight over irrelevant bullshit.  The point is that Christians don’t start threatening to kill people over their Holy Book being desecrated, as do the Muslims.  We’re a little more secure, I guess.

More secure?  How about more tolerant, more sophisticated, more civilized, more understanding, more reasoned, more balanced or more immoral?  There are a lot more words that fit a lot better than “secure”.  But, yeah, I got that point.  I don’t think it needed to be stated.  I think most civilized people realize this.

The issue is that instead of commenting on the jews who, you know, burned our bible, we get a right-wing hit on Muslims, who don’t have anything to do with this scenario.  Thus, proving this site is nothing but a hate sight, that does little more than promote cultural intolerance and hatred for not only Muslims, but its fellow Americans.

Thats what I “got” that you subsequently sidestepped, peaches.  *kiss*

Congratulations on your first complete year of blogging Anna!  You are really making quite an impression with your impressive display of intellect.

You and the Orthodox Jews are bugs in a rug, arent’cha.

Thats what I “got” that you subsequently sidestepped, peaches. *kiss*

I guess you missed the part about “Christian tolerance” in the title then?  Keep your teenage homoeroticism to yourself, please.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

The issue is that instead of commenting on the jews who, you know, burned our bible, we get a right-wing hit on Muslims, who don’t have anything to do with this scenario.  Thus, proving this site is nothing but a hate sight, that does little more than promote cultural intolerance and hatred for not only Muslims, but its fellow Americans.

H,

If I ever find myself at a loss for the perception and insight to select an interesting and pertinent issue on which to comment, or the means to construct a cogent and incisive description of that issue, or the vocabulary requisite to do so with imagination and verve, I’ll try to remember to call on you for assistance.

Don’t hold your breath though, kid!  Those of us who are thoughtful conservatives are accustomed to the unwarranted arrogance of those of you who fancy yourselves “progressives.” Telling me what subjects I should and should not post on is just one more example.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat: What I find ironically funny is the Jew-hater calling this a hate site because we contrast Christian tolerance with Muslim megalomania.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

R108,

Self-styled progressives are not without their entertainment value for those who think.

The trick, I believe, is simply not to take them very seriously.  They tend to take themselves far too seriously in any case.  Karma for Dummies!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Those of us who are thoughtful conservatives are accustomed to the unwarranted arrogance of those of you who fancy yourselves “progressives.” Telling me what subjects I should and should not post on is just one more example.

The only card you had was to pretend I am telling you what you can or can not post on.  What else are you going to do, admit I was right?

No, I think it is painfully obvious that I am merely criticizing you for your needless abuse of the Muslims, while at the same time giving a pass to the people who actually committed the offense.

You will never insult me by telling me I am arrogant, because on this site, I am.

I guess you missed the part about “Christian tolerance” in the title then?  Keep your teenage homoeroticism to yourself, please.

It was discarded because it wasn’t a point worth discussing.

I would like to see you find examples of Muslims in ME burning the bible, if you can.  Muslims have more respect for the Christian bible than even some of our friends in Israel. 

So there is no point.  This is a matter of cultural differences and respect.  Muslims have respect for things like bibles, Korans and other religious symbols but strangely have no issues with killing people for their faith and or desecration of religious symbols or prophets.  But they don’t mock Jesus and they don’t do things like burn bibles on purpose.  Not like we do anyway.

If it has happened it is usually Muslims who have been westernized or live outside of the ME.

Ya know, reading back across this thread, it seems like everyone else understood the point of the post and its title, which was the contrast between the virulent intolerant response by the Muslim community to actions and events they perceived to be an insult to their faith, and the obvious (to most people, anyway!) tolerance exhibited by Christians toward a similar act of sacrilege against theirs.  Everyone, that is except you, H.  In your mind it was “discarded because it wasn’t a point worth discussing.”

But then you continue to add comments.

Its not exactly the comparison I had in mind, but I am reminded to be thankful that my mind works.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

If it has happened it is usually Muslims who have been westernized or live outside of the ME.

Yeah, like the “cartoon riots”.  More bullshit from you, Jew-hater.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

Karma for Dummies!

Stupid is as stupid does.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

Ya know, reading back across this thread, it seems like everyone else understood the point of the post and its title,

Bat,

Surely you aren’t serious about convincing yourself that you have made an argument simply by stating people who think like you, agree with you.

Would it matter if I had all of my liberal friends post about how they agree with me?

Of course your friends see your point.  Because they also have much disdain for Islam and in fact some even have hatred for the Koran and Muslims.  Their hatred is revealed in many forms.  Don’t expect these people to admit it to themselves either. 

You act as if i was incapable of understanding your argument.  I do understand the argument you have made, I simply think it is destructive and hateful.

If my friend punched my cousin in the face, my reaction would not be to compliment my family for not punching back and then insult my neighbors that when in a similar situation punched back.  My reaction would be to question why my friend punched my cousin.

What you have done is simply taken an intolerant act from some Jews and used it as an opportunity to strike at Muslims.

There is something wrong with that picture, and of course you and your friends don’t see it.

That, my friends, is the difference between Liberals and Conservatives.

http://jinnzaman.hadithuna.com/muslims-burn-bibles/

Hannitized, I wish:

Surely you aren’t serious about convincing yourself that you have made an argument simply by stating people who think like you, agree with you.

That is exactly why I went out of my way to point out that Bat One and I have had some serious disagreements in the past, to be able to say that I agree with Bat One solely on the merits of his argument, not on any perfectly shared political ideology. So, once again you are wrong.

I get a bit irritated about the charge of hate being thrown around at SA, I suppose I too have at times too loosely and without merit made this charge. The fact is, there was not one word, either directly or by innuendo that expressed the tiniest amount of hatred towards Muslims by Bat, such hatred has to be read into hiss thread and other comments, which do not exist in reality. To say people from one group, by the available evidence, appear to react violently to certain things, while another comparable group seem to react quite differently (passive), is not to say they hate one group or love the other, but to simply make reasonable observations based on tha facts at hand.

Not even a liberal like you can, with a straight face say that Muslims acted reasonably to the Mohammed cartoons, absent violence and/or absent threats of violence. To assert that would fly in the face of reality. I could bring out many times when the Qur’an has been reported to have been violated and Muslims wordside rioted, acted out violently and made threats of violence. On the other hand, I challenge you to document in modern times where riots, acts of violence or threats of violence have resulted from desecration of the Bible.

In every instance you have demonstrated an inability to deal with the facts and the clear words of others; but in a liberal vein, you twist the facts and clear words to satisfy your liberal bias.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

...to be able to say that I agree with Bat One solely on the merits of his argument, not on any perfectly shared political ideology. So, once again you are wrong.

I didn’t say that you agree “perfectly shared ideology”.  I said that because people who think like him on this issue (because that is what we are talking about) isn’t a convincing argument. 

You are twisting the facts and clear words to satisfy your conservative bias.

I get a bit irritated about the charge of hate being thrown around at SA, I suppose I too have at times too loosely and without merit made this charge.

OK, so you don’t agree with my choice of words.  Why don’t you instead find a better word to describe the negative response towards Muslims and the Koran that is revealed on SAB?  How about the word intolerant, ignorant or perhaps cultural arrogance?  Do those words better suit your understanding?  Help me out here.

The fact is, there was not one word, either directly or by innuendo that expressed the tiniest amount of hatred towards Muslims by Bat.

I exposed a needless desire to attack Muslims that had risen from an article that was about Jewish intolerance of Christianity.  What this revealed, at least to me, was that BAT and most here at SAB were more than happy to lash out at Muslims instead of those who had shown religious intolerance.  I can’t imagine why someone would do that if it were not for either hatred or unnecessary cultural arrogance.

To say people from one group, by the available evidence, appear to react violently to certain things, while another comparable group seem to react quite differently (passive), is not to say they hate one group or love the other, but to simply make reasonable observations based on tha facts at hand.

Yes, but what you have so clearly missed is that the article is about religious intolerance that was demonstrated by Jews, not Muslims.  For anyone to make this issue related to jews a hit piece on Muslims reveals quite a bit of obsession and or hatred.  You don’t see it because you are one of the largest offenders of the Muslims and Koran.  I don’t expect you to understand, I think you bias has blinded you.

Not even a liberal like you can, with a straight face say that Muslims acted reasonably to the Mohammed cartoons, absent violence and/or absent threats of violence.

Well why don’t you scroll up and see how I identified their behavior in relation to ours.  The difference between you and I and others at SAB is that I held my criticisms and understanding of the differences of our cultures for a more appropriate time.  There is nothing in this article that would create reason to express our differences, except for arrogance, intolerance or hatred.

To assert that would fly in the face of reality.

I am not sure you have a handle on reality.

I could bring out many times when the Qur’an has been reported to have been violated and Muslims wordside rioted, acted out violently and made threats of violence. On the other hand, I challenge you to document in modern times where riots, acts of violence or threats of violence have resulted from desecration of the Bible.

I won’t argue with you there, uncle obvious.  Why don’t you keep the challenge appropriate to the topic.  Show me where Muslims have burned piles of bibles in the ME, or mocked Jesus.

In every instance you have demonstrated an inability to deal with the facts and the clear words of others; but in a liberal vein, you twist the facts and clear words to satisfy your liberal bias.

I think you took a long walk on a short pier and fell in the water.  In other words, you missed the boat pal.

Why don’t you keep the challenge appropriate to the topic.

An excellent piece of advice, H.  I applaud your reasonableness.  Now if only you would adopt your very own suggestion!

The topic of the post is a comparative view of how adherents of two different religions react to instances of what is perceived to be public sacrilege.

Most Muslims do not burn Bibles.  Neither do most Jews.  But the action of doing so wasn’t the issue, nor was the the relative rarity of the event.  Nor even the identity of perpetrators.  The point was the widely divergent level of tolerance to such actions of Christians and Muslims, many of whom riot and rampage over cartoons and teddy bears.

So, please, take you own advice and stick to the issue at hand.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

The topic of the post is a comparative view of how adherents of two different religions react to instances of what is perceived to be public sacrilege.

The topic of your post is, but it is not the topic of the article you bastardized.  Again, what you are doing is changing the reality of the situation to suit your bias.  When you chose to bastardize the story to suit your intolerance of Islam, instead of speaking to any concerns of the Orthadox Jews behavior, you inadvertently invited the criticism.

A more proper comparative would be to highlight how adherents of two different religious treat religious symbols and prophets.  Muslims in the ME do not do, what our friends in the ME did, or what Americans do to our own religious testaments.

There are a vast amount of differences between our cultures.  Reading a story about how some Jews hate Christianity does not spawn a desire for me to articulate how vastly superior our culture is because we don’t outlaw pop culture that promotes promiscuity and scantily clad women prancing around on stage.

Most Muslims do not burn Bibles.  Neither do most Jews.  But the action of doing so wasn’t the issue, nor was the the relative rarity of the event. 

Orthadox Jews who burned Bibles was the issue, of the story that you bastardized.

The point was the widely divergent level of tolerance to such actions of Christians and Muslims, many of whom riot and rampage over cartoons and teddy bears.

So, please, take you own advice and stick to the issue at hand.

I am not interested in allowing the right-wing to change the facts on the ground to suit their cultural arrogance or hatred for others and then sing to their chorus.  Sorry, you are out of tune.

I would like to see you find examples of Muslims in ME burning the bible, if you can.  Muslims have more respect for the Christian bible than even some of our friends in Israel.

A more proper comparative would be to highlight how adherents of two different religious treat religious symbols and prophets.  Muslims in the ME do not do, what our friends in the ME did, or what Americans do to our own religious testaments.

Let’s start with Gaza, shall we?

Father Manuel Musallem, head of Gaza’s Latin church, told the AP that Muslims have ransacked, burned and looted a school and convent that are part of the Gaza Strip’s small Roman Catholic community. He told the AP that crosses were broken, damage was done to a statue of Jesus, and at the Rosary Sister School and nearby convent, prayer books were burned.

Gunmen used the roof of the school during the fighting, and the convent was “desecrated,” Mussalem told the AP.

“Nothing happens by mistake these days,” he said.

Father Musalam additionally told The Jerusalem Post that the Muslim gunmen used rocket-propeled grenades (RPGs) to blow through the doors of the church and school, before burning Bibles and destroying every cross they could get their hands on.

Next up, Nigeria,

LAGOS, Nigeria, November 22, 2002 — Over 100 people were killed in Northern Nigeria, according to reports from Red Cross officials, and hundreds more injured in mob riots sparked by a local newspaper article suggesting the founder of Islam would have approved of the Miss World beauty pageant.

Reports also indicate at least four, possibly as many as 10 churches were destroyed in the violence.

How about London?

More than 300 Muslim protestors set fire to a wooden cross outside the American Embassy in London last Friday 20th May. The crowd, led by Omar Bakri Muhammad and Yassar al-Siri, were protesting against the alleged desecration of a Qur’an by American military interrogators at Guantanamo Bay. This followed claims by Newsweek magazine that a copy of the Qur’an had been put down a toilet. American and British flags were also burnt, and the protestors chanted calls for violence against the US and UK. Amongst the protestors were about 50 women, some of whom had brought their children.

At the time this protest took place, Newsweek had retracted their story about the alleged incident in Guantanamo Bay. Yet the cross-burning still took place, and has caused little interest in the British media…

Not to slight our Muslim friends south of the Equator, Melbourne,

TWO Muslim students have been expelled from an Islamic school in Melbourne for urinating and spitting on a Bible and setting it on fire.

The explosive incident has forced the East Preston Islamic College to call in a senior imam to tell its 650 Muslim students that the Bible and Christianity must be respected.

Anxious teachers at the school have also petitioned principal Shaheem Doutie, expressing “grave concern” about an “inculcation of hatred and radical attitudes towards non-Muslims” at the school, including towards non-Muslim teachers.

The Bible desecration took place last week at a school camp held near Bacchus Marsh, about 50km west of Melbourne, attended by 33 teenage Muslim boys ranging in age from Year7 to Year 10.

A school report of the incident, obtained by The Australian, says it happened late at night and involved three students and another two watching.

“The main perpetrator (a Year 7 student) urinated on the Holy Bible, tore some pages from the Holy Book and burnt them then finally spat on the Holy Book,” the report says.

The second boy, from Year 9, “tore pages from the Holy Book and burnt them”, while a third student, from Year 7, “tore pages from the Holy Bible and then he rolled it up like a cigarette and pretended to smoke it”.

The boys come from a variety of ethnic Muslim backgrounds—one is believed to be an Albanian/Malaysian, another Lebanese and another Indonesian.

There are, of course, plenty more, but even you should get the point by now, H!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Yes, God will have his vengeance, but on this earth,

there is a fundamental difference between the intolerant dictates of Islam, and Christians’ approach toward our fellow man

quite well stated, and easily observed to be correct.

Communism is evil

And, of course, there’s the ongoing violence and murder against Christian schools, students and teachers in Southern Thailand, perpetrated by Muslims.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

Bat,

I already did that Google search.  That is why I said what I meant and meant what I said;

Muslims have respect for things like bibles, Korans and other religious symbols but strangely have no issues with killing people for their faith and or desecration of religious symbols or prophets. But they don’t mock Jesus and they don’t do things like burn bibles on purpose. Not like we do anyway.

If it has happened it is usually Muslims who have been westernized or live outside of the ME.

Your examples are the ones I have already sifted through.

Melbourne is not the Mid East, and qualify as Westernized Muslims.  The children might have burned bibles, but they aren’t going to kill Americans either. 

London, again, not the Mid East.

Nigeria, doesnt fall into the vague boundaries considered to be the Mid East.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East

Gaza, was clearly an incident where extremist gunmen, who used RPGs to enter the church did this damage.  That single instance is representative of a very radical group you are comparing to average Muslims.  That is about the best you can do.  Comparing these guys to your average Muslim is not balanced.

Compared to the Deputy Mayor of a Jewish community going around on a loud speaker urging people to turn over the Bibles to Jewish religious students who set them a blaze, it is markedly different, wouldn’t you agree?

Or Yehuda Deputy Mayor Uzi Aharon said missionaries recently entered a neighborhood in the predominantly religious town of 34,000 in central Israel, distributing hundreds of New Testaments and missionary material.
After receiving complaints, Aharon said, he got into a loudspeaker car last Thursday and drove through the neighborhood, urging people to turn over the material to Jewish religious students who went door to door to collect it.
The books were dumped into a pile and set afire in a lot near a synagogue, he said.

H: So, now you’re using a geographical excuse to ignore Muslim religious violence and bigotry? I’m sure what few Christians are in the ME live in fear of the ruling Muslims.  I know that Saudi Arabia bans the Christian Bible.  I believe Saudi Arabia is in the ME.
That’s geography.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

H: So, now you’re using a geographical excuse to ignore Muslim religious violence and bigotry?

What do you mean by “now”, Robert?  From the beginning I have been keeping my argument specific to the Muslims from the ME. 

What you seem to fail to understand is what we are seeing and discussing are cultural differences, not simply religious differences.  Culture is a end result often associated with geography. 

How can you deny that L.A. is different from S.F. and that CA is vastly different from VA.  All of which are in America.  Cultural differences are associated and directly related to geography.

I’m sure what few Christians are in the ME live in fear of the ruling Muslims.  I know that Saudi Arabia bans the Christian Bible.  I believe Saudi Arabia is in the ME.

Yes, I have already stated quite clearly that those same Muslims from the ME, who happen to have very strict cultural beliefs about not insulting religious prophets such as Jesus or religious testaments such as the Bible or Koran, are also the ones likely to kill Christians or suppress their religious freedoms. 

We are talking about specific events.  The article that BAT bastardized is about bible burning.

To suggest that violence in reaction to desecration of the Qur’an or the Prophet is unique to the Middle East is to deny the clear incitements to robbery, torture, rape and murder contained in the Qur’an and the Hadith. It is to deny the violence and murders in Europe even in the past year and a little thing we like to call 9/11 wherein Americans were murdered. To suggest that in the West are moderate Muslims is to deny Allah and The Prophets innumerable condemnations of moderate Muslims, those not willing to engage in Jihad as a way of life, and it is to deny that even here in America the role of moderate Muslims in financing and providing moral support for miltant Muslims, if nothing else - by their deafening silence in condemning their murderous ways.

I am sorry, your attempts to use a geographical, culture excuse won’t hold water. More importantly, Bat One used a specific incident to compare the reaction of Christians versus Islam to insults against their faiith. Your sorry attempts to portray it as something else are pathetic.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

What you seem to fail to understand is what we are seeing and discussing are cultural differences, not simply religious differences.

No, “we” aren’t; you are, and you’re alone in that, which is why you aren’t getting over with any of your irrelevant BS.  If you want to set the parameters of th discussion, post your own article.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

To suggest that violence in reaction to desecration of the Qur’an or the Prophet is unique to the Middle East is to deny the clear incitements to robbery, torture, rape and murder contained in the Qur’an and the Hadith.

I didn’t say it was “unique”, I said results are related to cultural influences.  Why do you keep putting words in my mouth?

The vast majority of behavior that “we” find offensive are largely found to occur in the ME.  Just as the vast majority of behavior “they” find offensive occur in the US.  Acceptance of homosexuality, promiscuity, drug use pornography and excess in wealth are predominant in the US.  And guess what?  Our cultural influences are exported all across the world.  You conveniently blame the Qur’an because you have a religious bias, because you are driven by your religion and it is a large part of your identity.  Thats my opinion anyway.

Both the bible and the Qur’an have had language that was/is violent.  We have over time revised our holy bibles and testaments to adjust to our cultural civilization.

...It is to deny the violence and murders in Europe even in the past year and a little thing we like to call 9/11 wherein Americans were murdered.

9/11 was committed by people who originally came from the ME.  You are now blurring the lines between political and religious/cultural differences and confusing the discussion further.  This is usually where most discussions on this subject break apart and loose focus.

I suggest you stop confusing the issues and stick to one or two topics.

To suggest that in the West are moderate Muslims is to deny Allah and The Prophets innumerable condemnations of moderate Muslims, those not willing to engage in Jihad as a way of life, and it is to deny that even here in America the role of moderate Muslims in financing and providing moral support for miltant Muslims, if nothing else - by their deafening silence in condemning their murderous ways.

What are you trying to say?  That there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim?  Can you point me to the marches in the US where Muslims demand blood for the insulting of Mohammed and the Qur’an?

I am sorry, your attempts to use a geographical, culture excuse won’t hold water.

I don’t think you are qualified to make that judgement.  You haven’t adequately poked holes in my logic.  You may think you have, but you offered little to consider.

More importantly, Bat One used a specific incident to compare the reaction of Christians versus Islam to insults against their faiith. Your sorry attempts to portray it as something else are pathetic.

I think what is pathetic is your passionate desire to berate the Islamic faith where it is unwarranted.  You can’t even keep it together long enough to make a logical counter argument.  You have only offered more insults of the Islamic faith and ad hominem attacks.

108,

No, “we” aren’t; you are, and you’re alone in that, which is why you aren’t getting over with any of your irrelevant BS. 

That was one of the least intelligent responses I have seen on this post.  Congratulations.

Regardless if we were talking about how Christians respond to bible burining’s vs. how Muslims respond to the Qur’an being desecrated, it is still mostly cultural differences we are discussing.  The fact that you can’t see it matters not to me.  I am not debating for the sake of impressing you.  There are others that come to read my comments on this site who never comment, and there will be others who read this and move along.  My arguments are for their interpretation.

If you want to set the parameters of th discussion, post your own article.

That sounds an awful lot like a fascist right-wing fanatic trying to suppress the freedom of speech and thought.  Care to rephrase that?

Perhaps there is a way to turn this around and make it a bit more understandable.  One final attempt at reason, before you are once again, perhaps permanently, relegated to level of whiteboard or background noise.

Answer me this:  Name one other religion or worldwide belief system that fosters the same level of hatred and violence in its adherents, that is as intolerant and barbarous toward those who reject it, as Islam.

Does that mean that all Muslims are prone to violence?  Of course not.  Nor have I suggested they are.  The majority are, for all I know, humble, demure and inoffensive.  But that does not erase the fact that no other religion or system of belief is as violence prone, to non-believers and to many of its own as well.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Eunichized (much earlier) offered:

Why are you so concerned about my balls?

As Bill Murray once said: “It’s true, this man has no balls!”

The mere fact that you and your fellow travelers do not support the Jewish State is sufficient reason to do so.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Bat,

One final attempt at reason, before you are once again, perhaps permanently, relegated to level of whiteboard or background noise.

May I remind you Bat, that it is you who have chosen to bastardize the article you referenced and subsequently used to change the subject, not me.

The fact that I criticized you for doing so may happen to irritate the right-wing SAB audience (who likes to beat up on Islam), but it does not to those who are looking for an interesting debate.

Answer me this:  Name one other religion or worldwide belief system that fosters the same level of hatred and violence in its adherents, that is as intolerant and barbarous toward those who reject it, as Islam.

Look BAT, if you want to create a post about why you dislike Islam and think it a violent religion, be my guest.  I won’t criticize you for it, I will merely debate the point.  You can’t seem to understand the fact that you are changing the topic of the article you used as a reference.  That, weather you admit it to yourself or not invites an argument to unto itself.

To answer your question, I am not afraid to admit that in todays world that award would go to the fundamentalists of Islam.  Christians however, certainly have a large share of responsibility that spans a over the entire history of man kind that may certainly earn them a trophy of their own.

As I have said time and time again on this post.  Our cultural development has become more civilized.  I personally we need to be patient and allow our Muslim friends the time to develop into a more modern civilization.  If you would like to debate how that can be achieved I am open to debate that with you.

Relax…

As Bill Murray once said: “It’s true, this man has no balls!”

Beardsley is back to discussing my testicles again.  What is with this guy?  This is getting a bit weird Beardsley, dont’cha think?

The mere fact that you and your fellow travelers do not support the Jewish State is sufficient reason to do so.

I haven’t the time to debate the hallucinations in your head.

Eunichized,

not much else to discuss with you, since I don’t surf and you bring nothing to the exchange.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Beardsmith,

You are more impressive when your arguments are reduced to ad hominems.

When you attempt to lure me into debate by discussing Americas tenacity in defending Israel, you certainly wanted to engage in more than just swell direction and size.

You also appear to be interested in my testicles a bit more than I think is healthy.  Gnu’s, Not Unix.

Actually, if it was GHOSTBUSTERS’s Dr. Peter Venkman, his character was talking to the mayor of NYC and referring to the EPA agent, telling the mayor the Ghostbusters had all those entities under control until Dickless here had them turn off the juice to the containment unit, unleashing them on the city.

When the mayor asked Murray if that was true, he answered Yes, it’s true your honor. This man has no dick.

If you really feel compelled to write about BALLS you might wish to refer to TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE when the Gary character is infiltrating the terrorists hideout and by his outstanding ACTING wins over the confidence of the Chechen terrorist leader, who intones:

I like you… You have balls. I like balls!

Not really important to the political topic I am sure, but the you just can’t go on confusing dicks and balls like that.

It’s just plain wrong.

...for great justice

Move_Zig,

You are of course correct.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Eunichized,

Your nickname was bestowed on you by one of our female contributors, as I recollect.  You’re reaping the rewards of continuously commenting on issues about which you demonstrably know very little about (even less absent a quick google or wiki drive by); derision and scorn when anyone bothers to pay you the least attention.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Unixized,

I have yet to see you contribute to any conversation where you have said anything of importance.

Your comments are sadly nothing more than ad hominems, and references to testicles.

Eunichized,

That would be *nixized, as I administer a broad array of Unix based enterprise servers, oh beardless catamite of microsloth.  I can understand though why you would view my comments as limited to ad-hominems and the absence of testes, since that is about all I have to say to you.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

While Bat is correct to point out the difference in reaction between Muslims and Christians,he is nonetheless insincere about Hannnitized’s arguments.
The rest of you came to his aid because.... Who knows and who cares why. The fact that these Jews burned the bible with official support should be a concern to many. That it is not, is a testament as to how far some will bend over for the Jews. I believe anyone that commented on this article and ignored the importance of bible burning, has his head way past his or her knees. The fact that we are more tolerant than the Muslims is an obvious one and is not in need of reenforcement or bragging. On the other hand the intolerance of Orthodox Jews is a news nugget worth close examination.

Wow! You go Hannitized. Considering all the personal attacks that you weathered because of this article, you did well. It is a time honored tradition here on S.A.B. to personaly attack the messenger when attacking his message fails.

ellinas,

Your cognitive abilities are no more acute than those of your friend “H”.  My condolences.

It would have been easy to voice my indignation over the reported burning of the Bibles by a group of orthodox Jews.  But, first of all, that wasn’t my point in posting on the story.

More importantly, however, to express my anger over the sacrilege would no only have marked me as a hypocrite, voicing my own anger while noting the more tolerant reaction of Christians, but would have flown in the face of my own Christian faith as well.

I am not about to express my admiration for the restraint displayed by other Christians over this insulting sacrilege (in marked contrast to the numerous virulent responses of Muslims worldwide), while intolerantly and hypocritically displaying my own temper.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Well said, Bat One!

Bat! Thank you for the (non) compliment. As usual your doublespeak is easy to spot:

“What interests me isn’t the fact that the Bibles were burned, nor the fact that it was orthodox Jews, whose memories of “Kristallnacht” are faded now, who did the burning.

No, what caught my attention is the fact that there were no mass riots reported across Christendom.”

And later on you say: “
More importantly, however, to express my anger over the sacrilege would no only have marked me as a hypocrite, voicing my own anger while noting the more tolerant reaction of Christians, but would have flown in the face of my own Christian faith as well.

I am not about to express my admiration for the restraint displayed by other Christians over this insulting sacrilege (in marked contrast to the numerous virulent responses of Muslims worldwide), while intolerantly and hypocritically displaying my own temper.”

Have a nice day!

Overcompensating elinas appears to be a very close friend of Eunichized.

How

Suprising

Not

.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Well...hello beloved Rodney. How are you today?

Don’t worry elinas, Bat is skating on very thin ice, and carrying the weight of his own verbal excrement, and he knows it.

One, it is not hypocritical to express your concern or disappointment and/or even sadness about the Orthodox Jews, hateful display of intolerance.  What would have been hypocritical would be if Bat got very angry, marched in the street and demanded a bloodletting.  Only something short of a rampage would have made him a hypocrite. 

What BAT is offering is a bit of dishonest slight of hand.  Suggesting that offering any criticism of Jews would make him a hypocrite is nothing short of an outright distortion and/or lie.

Sorry pops.

Two, the fact that he suggests that it is not his religious belief system to be upset about these things raises some serious questions.

A) He admitted he was angry, but chose to do nothing about it, including criticize the Jews.

b) That he is letting his religion prevent him from reacting to something that he feels is morally wrong?

It doesn’t add up.  If I am angry about something,