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Coburn said the State could use the death penalty if abortion were illegal, but did not say if it was appropriate?
That your take Whistle?

Who should be executed, the pregnant, the Dr or both?

What Coburn actually said;

Coburn answered that “while abortion is not against the law now, if it were, states could use death penalty laws to punish the taking of innocent life.”

“I believe when we take innocent life intentionally, except to save lives, that we are violating moral law,” Coburn said. “Now, I understand what the law is. My hope would be that we would get back to a time when we recognize the value of life, and I think we’re not.”

It sure sounds like he said what Obama accused him of to me.  I mean, he said what he said, didn’t he?  Surely he must mean it.

Now Coburn is just doing damage control.

Who should be executed, the pregnant, the Dr or both?

I rather doubt that anyone would, but it would be up to the legislature wouldn’t it. 

By the way I saw a story on Bill OReilly’s show where some pervert got 800 years for possessing child pornography. 

Isn’t murder more worser?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I hope they have those new high efficiency light bulbs for him to read by. 800 years is a lot of electricity.

some pervert got 800 years for possessing child pornography.

Here is another quote from Coburn:

I favor the death penalty for abortionists and other people who take life.

This quote is Coburnforsenate.com.  Are you ready to apologize Whistler?

Nice work Hawk.

If you are done sniffing Hawk’s jockstrap, Hannitized, you might want to note, perhaps by bestirring yourself from trying to dislocate your shoulder with your incessant self-congratulatory back patting, there is no such quote on the site listed.

Hannitized: 

I mean, he said what he said, didn’t he? Surely he must mean it.

Interesting turn of logic, since - on numerous other threads - you have vehemently and repeatedly argued exactly the opposite where Obama’s precise quote about small town bitterness in Pennsylvania didn’t mean - according to you - what it said.

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Hawk, that statement from Coburn is true but not complete.  He clearly favors the death penalty for abortionists once abortion is against the law.

I, personally, disagree with him not being in favor of the death penalty myself in general.  Though I would favor lifetime imprisonment for those who would break an eventual law against abortion.

Really, though, this is all just a deflection for Obama.  Tom Coburn is not running for the White House.  Barack Obama is.

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Obama has proven time and again that he posesses far less familiarity with honesty than either President or Senator Clinton.

Hawk and others thank you for pointing out my error.  I corrected the post.

I think that Obama was wrong to compare Coburn to a terrorist, but I’m not going to make too big of a deal about it now that I was clearly in the wrong.

For my two cents I don’t agree with the death penalty for giving or having an abortion even though I’m against abortion.  It’s a tough enough situation as it is.

Once again thank you for pointing out my error.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler’s correction was warranted, but I’d point out that Coburn’s statement isn’t that nutty.

He clearly supports the death penalty for abortion once abortion is made illegal.  If abortion were made illegal it would undoubtedly be through the (rightful) recognition that an unborn child is a human life and that taking that life is premeditated murder.

Supporting the death penalty for premeditated murder is hardly an unusual position here in America.

Though I’d point out that I’m not personally in favor of the death penalty at all so wouldn’t be supporting it in the instance of abortions.

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Interesting turn of logic, since - on numerous other threads - you have vehemently and repeatedly argued exactly the opposite where Obama’s precise quote about small town bitterness in Pennsylvania didn’t mean - according to you - what it said.

I’m glad you noted the obvious similarity.  It was intentional after all.  I was trying to see how many conservatives would make excuses for Coburn, unlike they had for Obama.

The difference of course between this example and Obama’s is in the interpretation.  Obama has been quoted by Rob and others as saying they cling to guns and the like, “because” they are bitter.  That word was never used (because).  Was it?  I can’t see another way to interpret what Coburn said, can you?

Also, Obama was repeating a long-standing Democratic understanding of the challenges of capturing the values voters.  I don’t think there are many people who want to prosecute, with the death penalty, those who carry out abortions.  Is there?

Obama quickly clarified after his statements.  Coburn remained silent after his statements.

Obama was recorded as far back as 2004, saying the very thing you claimed he didn’t mean.  No such evidence exists of Coburn stating otherwise, in other context.

The main difference is also....... of course, that I was right. 

It was not unreasonable to conclude Coburn said what he said based on the multiple quotes.  It was very unreasonable to conclude Obama was lying because some people chose to misinterpret his statement.

Now, ask me if I think Bush meant we are on a Crusade?  Or if he meant that OBGYNs can’t practice their love with women all across the country.

H, do you think bush meant we are on a Crusade?

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Oh. My. Gawd! A member of the Senate would actually want a law enforced in the case of some one breaking it?!?!?! We have certainly come a long way from where our founding fathers intended. tsktsktsk.

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http://www.coburnforsenate.com/press21.shtml

If you are done sniffing Hawk’s jockstrap, Hannitized, you might want to note, perhaps by bestirring yourself from trying to dislocate your shoulder with your incessant self-congratulatory back patting, there is no such quote on the site listed.

And perchance will you supply the quote? The one where Coburn calls for all abortionists to be executed. We would really like to see that, since you leftards keep saying that IS what he said.

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From the linked article:

Coburn is traditional conservative, opposing abortion except in rare cases to save the life of the mother and advocating tax cuts and limited government.

On the death penalty, he said: “I favor the death penalty for abortionists and other people who take life.”

He said he performed two abortions to save the lives of mothers who had congenital heart disease, but opposes the procedure in cases of rape.

From the linked article:

Coburn is traditional conservative, opposing abortion except in rare cases to save the life of the mother and advocating tax cuts and limited government.

On the death penalty, he said: “I favor the death penalty for abortionists and other people who take life.”

He said he performed two abortions to save the lives of mothers who had congenital heart disease, but opposes the procedure in cases of rape.

What makes him think he can play God, picking and choosing which babies to kill and which ones will live?

Actually, shouldn’t he kill himself for performing two abortions?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Ah! So we finally, after all kinds of leftared stupidity, get to the quote. And then you flub it. Did you cut out those 4 sentences? Or did you simply grab the first “quote” you found with Coburn’s name attached?

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“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Did you chop out those 4 sentences? Or did you merely grab the first quote google popped out with Coburns name on it? A simple question, which you will turn into several days of spinning and equivocating.

Why don’t you just answer the question?

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give a man a fish…

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Did you chop out those 4 sentences? Or did you merely grab the first quote google popped out with Coburns name on it? A simple question, which you will turn into several days of spinning and equivocating.
Why don’t you just answer the question?

It is a quote from an article from “Coburn for Senate”.  It is posted on his website.  You can actually go read the article he endorses.  It is linked to on this thread.

It is an accurate representation of his views.  Obama was not wrong. 

You are an idiot.

It is an accurate representation of his views.  Obama was not wrong.
No it’s not accurate.  You can’t take one sentence from a topic as complex as this without any context whatsoever. 

Do I think abortionists should be put to death right now? No. You can’t do it. (Abortion) is legal. I don’t think it should be legal.”

I wouldn’t take a single sentence from Obama and run with it, without at least applying context.  Why are you doing that?  I know I know… because of the political expediency of covering for Obama’s latest gaffe.

And before you go ape shit crazy, I don’t agree with Coburns position.  It’s very extreme, but Obama is still not truthful, he’s just playing gotcha politics, his forté.  Which makes him a liar, and not very smart because this particular fabrication is easily caught.

H, do you think bush meant we are on a Crusade?

Heck no!  If he did, he would be an idiot.

Do you think he meant it Carrick?

I wouldn’t take a single sentence from Obama and run with it, without at least applying context.

Excluding any sentence where Obama uses the word bitter, in a way that I can take him out of context, you mean.  Right Carrick?

Do I think abortionists should be put to death right now? No. You can’t do it. (Abortion) is legal. I don’t think it should be legal.”

May I plead fro an explanation from you here Carrick?

If Coburn does not want abortions to be legal, and instead wants it to be illegal does he want abortions to be legal, yes or no?

Now, if coburn says the only reason he abortionists should not be put to death is because it is not legal, and he wants abortionists to be put to death for carrying out abortions, then he obviously means if it was legal that would be fine with him.

So the only question remains.  What are you thinking?

sanni? Obamoid said it, he meant it, and you can not prove he didn’t.

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Obama said Coburn thought putting abortionists to death “might” be appropriate.....

He nailed it.

And we are still left with the fact that Obamoid said, and meant it. And he was correct, you, racebaitingpovertypimp Democrat, are bitter.

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