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Sunday, August 26, 2007

Barrack Obama Doesn’t Know What Federalism Means

It’s just a bit of political posturing and pandering starring this campaign season’s favorite victim group (Katrina survivors), but the lesson here is important.  Obama, like most liberals, simply does not care about the federalist principles this country was founded upon.

NEW ORLEANS - Democrat Barack Obama said Sunday the country cannot fail New Orleans again and that as president, he would keep the city in mind every day.

“The words never again cannot be another empty phrase,” he said in front of one of the few rebuilt houses he saw on a brief tour of the city’s Gentilly Woods section. “It cannot become another broken promise.”

The “country” (by which Obama means the federal government) didn’t fail the people of New Orleans.  Mayor Ray Naggin, and Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco, failed the people of New Orleans.

See, in this country we believe in local control.  We were founded as a national of individualist, and we didn’t believe that a nation of individuals could be run effectively with decisions being made by one central governing body.  So we have a nation made up of sovereign states which themselves are divided into smaller governing bodies (counties, cities, etc.).  This allowed each locality to effectively make the decisions best for that locality without necessarily cramming those decisions down the throats of those living in other localities for whom those decisions may not be best.

We are, after all, a large and diverse nation with a plethora of opinions and values.  The idea of governing to everyone’s satisfaction from Washington D.C. is absurd.

But back to the point, with local decision-making power comes local responsibility.  In the Katrina situation the local powers-that-be failed those responsibilities miserably, and then tried to pass the buck on to the federal level.  Which they were largely successful at given that they had a sympathetic press corps at their disposal who just happens to harbor a visceral dislike of of the current President.

Were there problems with the federal response to Katrina?  Sure.  But we should be asking ourselves why we’re counting on federal authorities to respond to local weather disasters when that sort of response could be organized and executed so much more effectively on the local level.

Obama doesn’t ask that question, he just panders.  Because like most liberals he doesn’t adhere to the principles of federalism.  He adheres to the big-government, quasi-socialist teachings of big-government liberalism.

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The problems in New Orleans are systemic from the top--Mayor--Police Dep’t--Housing authorities--social welfare bureaucrats--and on down to the a good share of the residents.  As is widely known but not talked about is the deep and continuing no-work ethic/welfare to the third and perhaps fourth generations.  Even these so called “poor” people would not leave their homes in the face of storm of the century--forecast over two days in advance of landfall.  Why?  They could not and would not trust their law enforcement people to protect even their meager belongings from the criminals, and in some cases, from the police themselves.  The news media cannot bring themselves to talk about bad consequences that come to people from their bad decisions--especially if the people are black or minority non-white.  They can’t do it. Someone has to be to blame.  Of course, Bush.

halatbis on August 26, 2007 at 02:33 pm

For all of their incompetence Nagin and Blanco are both far more accomplished than Obama who’s never accomplished a thing in his life.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on August 26, 2007 at 02:42 pm

The “country” (by which Obama means the federal government) didn’t fail the people of New Orleans.  Mayor Ray Naggin, and Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco, failed the people of New Orleans.

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goon on August 26, 2007 at 03:21 pm
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No, incorrect.

The poorly designed FEDERAL floodwalls breached and flooded the city of New Orleans.

oyster on August 26, 2007 at 05:34 pm
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OK, I’m an individualist, but I recognize that when a disaster is SO large that perhaps, (just perhaps!), the government of a city that was dying in the first place - and the government of a state that was struggling until recently - might need help from the federal government; and perhaps it’s the federal governments responsibility to recognize that need and act QUICKY.  Secondly it was the federal government who built the levies, and it was the federal government who ignored the pleas to enhance them for hurricanes of the strength of Katrina.  To condemn someone who advocates for federal intervention in event of a large-scale natural disaster is taking the Jeffersonian ideal too far.

KRM on August 26, 2007 at 06:10 pm

perhaps it’s the federal governments responsibility to recognize that need and act QUICKY.

Umm, legally the governor has to ask for the federal government to come in.  The only legal way they could have forced there way in would have been to declare Louisiana to be in a state of rebellion.  Clearly that wasn’t the case.

Secondly it was the federal government who built the levies, and it was the federal government who ignored the pleas to enhance them for hurricanes of the strength of Katrina.

Actually Louisiana was the number one recipient of aid from the Corp of Engineers in the years prior to Katrina.  Apparently the people of Louisiana were asking for other projects, not the levies.

Now if you want to blame the government for this then you must quit trying to score political points since the project would had to be started in the prior administration and it wasn’t.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on August 26, 2007 at 06:29 pm

I have a friend who is in the Colorado National Guard.  Before Katrina came ashore, he and his fellow Guardsmen were waiting on the border of Texas and Louisiana.  After Katrina hit, they waited for two days before they could go into Louisiana.  The wait was not because the Feds didn’t do anything, but because the Governor of Louisiana did not give them the OK to go into her state.

That’s right folks:  A governor has sole authority, on whether National Guard troops from other states can go into their state.  The Federal Government has no authority in these matters.  It is unconstitutional for the Feds to intercede in such matters. 

What makes the whole thing worse was that the Governor blamed the Feds for not getting the guard in sooner.  It seems that she did not understand Federalism either. 

When it comes to politics, little things like the Constitution are meaningless, because the Constitution is a living document (sarcasm).  It lives and dies when politically expedient.

Sluggo on August 26, 2007 at 09:18 pm
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You all are so dead on it. We don’t need the feds for nothing. I wish we could have local control so we could deny women and blacks the right to vote. Do away with the Federal court system so if a local gavernment wants to just hang somebody up without a trial, they can do it. It’s those damn feds that ruin everything.

Richard Mason on August 26, 2007 at 09:21 pm
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Do you know what else? We don’t need that federal armed forces either. We can defend our own states. Lets just have every state with there own branch. If your a poor state, then tough luck. Lets not forget about the FAA. We don’t need any of them Feds telling us where and how to fly our planes. That’s our business. And don’t forget about them EPA people and those damn OSHA people either. We don’t need any of them work regulations. Just let local businesses worry about that. Are you all joking me. Open your eyes you bunch of idiots.

Richard Mason on August 26, 2007 at 09:37 pm

Following this logic, why does FEMA exist?

Why is the Federal government spending our tax dollars on a Federal Emergency Management Agency when the states are responsible? From their home page:

“On March 1, 2003, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) became part of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The primary mission of the Federal Emergency Management Agency is to reduce the loss of life and property and protect the Nation from all hazards, including natural disasters, acts of terrorism, and other man-made disasters, by leading and supporting the Nation in a risk-based, comprehensive emergency management system of preparedness, protection, response, recovery, and mitigation.”

ews48 on August 26, 2007 at 09:55 pm

Sluggo said: That’s right folks:  A governor has sole authority, on whether National Guard troops from other states can go into their state.  The Federal Government has no authority in these matters.  It is unconstitutional for the Feds to intercede in such matters. 

What makes the whole thing worse was that the Governor blamed the Feds for not getting the guard in sooner.  It seems that she did not understand Federalism either. 

When it comes to politics, little things like the Constitution are meaningless, because the Constitution is a living document (sarcasm).  It lives and dies when politically expedient.

It’s already been determined that the Governor of LA and the Mayor of New Orleans were enept. Of course the dems tried to blame bush and fema for it. How Nagin got re-elected is beyond me?


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goon on August 26, 2007 at 10:56 pm

Richard Mason said, I wish we could have local control so we could deny women and blacks the right to vote.

And there you have it, straight from Richard’s mouth.

I don’t even care if Richard was trying to be cute, his point was stupid as hell.

Remember Ray Nagin’s buses.

likwidshoe on August 27, 2007 at 12:42 am

I can’t believe anyone is still even talking about Katrina almost two years after it happened. Of course, when you have a perpetual victimization group like a bunch of government-addicted democrats what do you expect. I guess Bush is also responsible for all of the following:

*Malfeasance, downright corruption on those controlling levee administration at the local level(including $60 million “lost” in Hazard Mitigation grants).

*Nagin’s complete ineptitude and fear of lawsuits from the hospitality industry. Hey, they were dumb enough to re-elect him, they deserve what they get.

*Blanco couldn’t make a decision on what to do or when to do (which unfortunately for all of you lefties, has been recorded).

*The left’s inability to understand the separation of powers and rule between state and federal governments. In particular, the National Response Plan which states distaster response and planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility. If Bush had sent the Guard in prior to any requests from Blanco, the left would be bitching that he should be impeached for violating posse comitatus

*The fact that we try to maintain a coastal city that sits below sea level.

*In 1996, the Army corps of Engineers was going to upgrade the levee sysytem, but didn’t . Why, a lawsuit from the Sierra Club.

I could go on and on. I actually fear for this country when I comments form people like Richard Mason who believe government is the answer for absolutely everything. Pathetic.


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Hoss on August 27, 2007 at 06:42 am

I can’t believe anyone is still even talking about Katrina almost two years after it happened.

Well, the Dems are still talking about Watergate, Vietnam and the 2000 election, so you shouldn’t be so surprised.  Those “Progressives” sure like to live in the past…


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robert108 on August 27, 2007 at 06:46 am

Why do we need fema?  Good question.  All the feds have done in other disasters is show up with the checkbook.

It’s up to the locals and the national guard to deal with the problem in every disaster.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on August 27, 2007 at 07:07 am
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It’s spelled Barack, not Barrack. Are you stuck on stupid, or what?

Mark Nash on August 27, 2007 at 04:33 pm

Where did he live when he was in the army?

But the middle name is Hussein, right?


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on August 27, 2007 at 04:46 pm

Mark Nash said: It’s spelled Barack, not Barrack. Are you stuck on stupid, or WHAT

Actually its Barack Hussein Obama if you want to get technical


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goon on August 27, 2007 at 04:48 pm
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Wow, yeah, you tell that Barrack Obama.  What a dummy—he could certainly use an in-depth history lesson like “we were founded as a national of individualist”.

Thad on August 27, 2007 at 05:00 pm

Before he got into Dem politics, he called himself “Barry”.  Go figure.

Thad: We were founded on individual rights, not group entitlements.  You got it partly right.


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robert108 on August 27, 2007 at 05:05 pm
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Hey moron you spelled his name wrong. Its not Barrack Its Barack. All you wingers are stupid

youramoron on August 27, 2007 at 05:09 pm
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Barack the magic Negro doesn’t have to know the meaning of anything, all he has to do is snap his fingers and what ever he wants will disappear.

WETBACK on August 27, 2007 at 05:31 pm

Look at the juvenile anger of those who support Barack.

Hey moron you spelled his name wrong. Its not Barrack Its Barack. All you wingers are stupid

youramoron on August 27, 2007 at 08:09 pm

Obama and his supporters are not serious people. They are political and emotional children as exemplified by a couple of the comments above.

likwidshoe on August 27, 2007 at 06:29 pm

Hey moron you spelled his name wrong. Its not Barrack Its Barack. All you wingers are stupid

Hey since we’ve got some experts here what does Barack mean.

I think it means “empty suit” but my buddy thinks it’s Arabic for “Manchurian candidate.”

Your help would be much appreciated.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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youramoron:

Hey moron you spelled his name wrong. Its not Barrack Its Barack. All you wingers are stupid

Wow.  Good point.  I guess I am pretty stupid for making that mistake.

But while we’re on the subject, shouldn’t it be “you’re a moron?” Or “youreamoron?”

Just curious.


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goon on August 27, 2007 at 08:52 pm

youramoron, his name is spelled Barrack. That is how Muslims spell it. He is a Muslim. His middle name is spelled Hussien, the same as all Muslims spell it. His last name is Obama, just the way all Muslims spell it. Because, you know, he is a Muslim. Born a Muslim, always a Muslim.

Hope that ain’t all to complicated for you, moron.


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2Hotel9 on August 28, 2007 at 04:31 am

EWS48P:

Following this logic, why does FEMA exist?

Easy enough...they distribute aid in the form of money, supplies and other needs to locales for which an emergency exists.  The state and local officials still have jurisdiction in that area, unless they have explicitly turned it over to the Feds, or the President has federalized the National Guard using the Insurrection Act.

In any case, during Katrina, local officials in NOLA were turning back federal aid from the city (including water shipments), because they were afraid it would encourage people to stay.  FEMA can only ship supplies into an area if the local officials OK it…

Carrick on August 28, 2007 at 04:50 am

When I crossed the stateline into MS on I59, at the 165 hour mark after Katrina, there were lines of 18wheelers along the median. I stopped at the Flying J just north of Meridian to top off gas and talked to some Guardsmen and truck drivers. They were sitting because FEMA told them they could not go into the NO area. You know? The place where people were begging for water, food, and roofing materials/tarps/plastic sheet.

And people want to turn their healthcare over to these morons.


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2Hotel9 on August 28, 2007 at 05:09 am

2H9:

And people want to turn their healthcare over to these morons.

You got that right.

Even FEMA demonstrated its aptitude for bureaucratic inefficiency.  For example, they wouldn’t ship emergency generators unless they had a shipping address.  Given that may of these areas were completely destroyed and the original streets were simply gone, that was a rather retarded requirement.  Do you think the FEMA official who insisted on that requirement ever had any adverse consequences?  Probably not.

It got so bad, that Mississippi ended up setting up its own duplicate pipeline to ship supplies and equipment to the gulf coast, mostly due to the behind the scenes work of Trent Lott.  (Ironically, when Lott pointed out that FEMA wasn’t wearing clothes, he caught shit from the right as well as the left for it. )

Of course, having the locals take control is really the way it’s supposed to work, and generally does so, when the assumption of competent local officials isn’t violated.  Who should know southern Mississippi and its needs better than the local officials? The FEMA guys in the beltway would have trouble finding Pascagoula, or even spelling it without a spell checker…

Nobody should be surprised to see that federal bureaucracy works poorly or inefficiently.  That’s been the nature of central bureaucracy since it was first invented.

Carrick on August 28, 2007 at 05:41 am
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I have to say, being one of the people that was affected by Katrina, that Obama’s statement was correct.  The “country” did fail the people of New Orleans.  You can slice it any way you want and blame whoever you want, but the levies broke because of poor FEDERAL funding, thanks to Mr. Bush.  The Mayor and the Governor made their mistakes too, but the person in charge of major disasters on the federal level was incompetent in his planning.  Yes federal troops were put on hold by the Governor.  Hell, I saw National Guardsmen standing around just keeping people from crushing one another while an incompetent state police tried to handle the evacuation.  Everyone made mistakes and everyone is “to blame”.  But Obama’s statement doesn’t make him incorrect about federalism.  So sorry buddy, but you’re a little off on this.  And being only two years since that disaster, it’s really insensitive to draw such a broad line of criticism when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
I’d also recommend spelling his name correctly.  Barack.

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the levies broke because of poor FEDERAL funding, thanks to Mr. Bush.

No, the levies broke because of poor design and construction. N.O. was awash in money before the storm hit. That the money did not get to where it was needed was due to too many short sighted state and local politicians. N.O. was awash in them, too!



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Proof on August 28, 2007 at 10:54 am

And being only two years since that disaster, it’s really insensitive

Only two years....Seriously, move on, get over it, whatever. Totally ignore the fact that your state (at all levels) and it’s degree of political corruption are a long-standing joke. I guess all the levees were built during the Bush administration, right. Blame it on somebody else, that’s what you guys do best, it’s never your fault. What a bunch of crybabies.


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Hoss on August 28, 2007 at 12:36 pm

dr4lom, you are so full of shit I am amazed you can see to type. Tell us, how many times did you vote for “Dollar” Bill?


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2Hotel9 on August 28, 2007 at 01:36 pm

Mississippi ended up setting up its own duplicate pipeline to ship supplies and equipment to the gulf coast

Well that is what you would expect to happen.  The same can be said about the other gulf states WHO suffered the total fury of Katrina and Florida who has somehow survived many hurricanes like Katrina.  Here in Texas we have a state storm alert system that goes into effect whenever a hurricane is spotted in the gulf.  It appears that only the state of Louisiana has no workable plan of their own relying almost solely on the Feds to solve their storm problems for them.  That’s a welfare State with a capital ‘S’.


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docdave on August 28, 2007 at 02:18 pm

Mom still had the record function on her camera phone the next morning and got pics of Blackhawk and Shithook choppers in the sky while the winds were still quite high. And her house and her neighbors had been overflown and told by loudspeaker to go up the road to several large fields to recieve aid and dustoff any injured within 8 hours. This in rural Pearl River county Mississippi. I got there 7 days later and it was like a train in the sky, before dawn till after sunset.

Way to drop the ball.


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2Hotel9 on August 28, 2007 at 02:54 pm

And we tried to download her pics to a laptop, never worked, then the cellphone crapped out.


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2Hotel9 on August 28, 2007 at 02:58 pm

Before Katrina came ashore, he and his fellow Guardsmen were waiting on the border of Texas and Louisiana.  After Katrina hit, they waited for two days before they could go into Louisiana.

LOL, I find that just amazing that people were ready to assist prior to the storm yet the thousands of citizens say they didn’t get a warning?
I call BS .. people were plain stupid for not leaving. The levels broke because nature rightfully won in her own territory.


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Anna on August 28, 2007 at 03:17 pm

dr4lom:

You can slice it any way you want and blame whoever you want, but the levies broke because of poor FEDERAL funding, thanks to Mr. Bush

The flaws in the levees were constructed into them far before Bush went into office, and were of such a magnitude that the levees could easily have failed during the rainy season.

They were not overtopped, nor did they even suffer excessive sidewards pressure before they failed.  The footers were installed at a depth of only 10 feet, about half the depth the engineering design called for, a problem that was known by the ACoE well in advance of the Katrina disaster.  No amount of routine maintenance would have saved such an incredibly poor construction effort. It would have taken years and billions of dollars to get it right.  And you lucky fellow, you are still protected by this “wonderful” system of deteriorating levees. 

To put this in perspective, this project started in 1965 and at the time of Katrina the original Congressional mandate wasn’t close to being met. And large portions of what was built was very substandard.

Really Bush should feel honored: You liberals hold him to a a much higher standard than his do-nothing predecessor, who of course had 8 years to get this addressed and did nothing, as usual.

Carrick on August 28, 2007 at 06:07 pm

I just think it is funny that all of these lefties blame bush for all of their problems…


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goon on August 28, 2007 at 07:52 pm

HAPPY KATRINA DAY!!! All you loser asswipes in New Orleans, look at Mississippi and see how it is done, you stupid, whiny socialist fucks.


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Larry Kudlow on NRO:

How much money has Uncle Sam spent on New Orleans and the Gulf region since Hurricane Katrina ripped the place apart?

I’ll give you the answer because you’ll never guess it. The grand total is $127 billion (including tax relief).

That’s right: a monstrous $127 billion. Of course, not a single media story has highlighted this gargantuan government-spending figure. But that number came straight from the White House in a fact sheet subtitled, “The Federal Government Is Fulfilling Its Commitment to Help the People of the Gulf Coast Rebuild.”

Huh?

This is an outrage. The entire GDP of the state of Louisiana is only $141 billion



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Proof on August 29, 2007 at 07:04 pm

Has Larry bothered to gander at the amount already paid out by insurance companies(as much as I hate to stick up for them).


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2Hotel9 on August 29, 2007 at 07:46 pm
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Do you know what federalism is? There’s a clear difference between “local control” and federal disaster relief. I don’t think federal response to a natural disaster really even relates to federalism; nor does it threaten the balance of state vs. federal power.

“Congress regularized this practice in 1947 and three years later, in 1950, created the first permanent relief fund, granting presidents broad discretionary power to decide what constituted a disaster eligible for federal aid. Dwight Eisenhower signed the first such declaration in 1953 following tornadoes in Georgia. Since that time, presidents have issued 1616 disaster declarations (the most recent on 21 November 2005 in response to a severe winter storm and record snow fall in North Dakota). In addition, pursuant to legislation passed in the early 1970s, presidents have signed several thousand “emergency relief” statements providing smaller federal commitments to affected areas.”

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