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It is interesting to note that The United Church of Christ believes that unless a person is baptized in their church by their ministers they cannot be saved. I note this not to condemn the UCOC, but to mention that like the Muslims they deem anyone outside thier denomination to be lost.

As to his Muslim past, I think that America wants a handsome, here’s that hated word - articulate, charismatic person in the mold of JFK and his credentials or platform will have little bearing on the matter. I think he stands a very good chance of going all the way - not that I want Obama for President, but I have seen JFK and Billy Jeff rise to the oval office over popular candidates with better qualifications.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Is it possible for them to hate us more than they do already?

In the short term, I don’t think it will matter. If he reverses the policies of President Bush, he will be revered by the left and the 249 gazillion Muslims.

Long term, I still think it’s not a factor. The litmus test seems to be so long as you have something negative to say about the President, you’re okay.

Rob, did Barack Obama take the Shahada and the complete bath as required to be a Muslim from what I’ve read.  I don’t believe he is a Muslim Apostate and there is just no proof of it.  He is an avowed Christian.

There is no way that someone with the given name of Hussein will be elcted President of a country that is still at war with a country because of another man named Hussein.  It just ain’t gonna happen, regardless of whether he was or was not a Muslim at birth.

Puzzle, I gotta laugh at your immediate spin.  Do you really think the Muslim zealots are going to draw such fine distinctions?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Puzzlefeet: Just because Obama says he is a Christian does not make it so, the proof is in his adherence to the doctrines/teachings of his denomination; or, if he chooses to interpret things for himself that is fine, but then what exactly does he believe about Christ and the Gospel? To be a Christian demands that the only path to salvation is through faith in Christ, how will that go over with Muslims if that is his confession of faith. If he is unwilling to make that confession of faith publicly, then by definition he cannot be a Christian.

Lastly, it is not whether or not he did this or that to become a Muslim, but whether or not the militant Muslims believe He was, and accroding to Islam if Barak’s father was a Muslim so is Barak and thus if he confesses Christ he is an apostate.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

The Rob above was not the Rob from SayAnything. Sorry about that. I just registered to make sure anything I say is not mistaken as being from the site’s author.

"The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government—a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people.”

- President Bill Clinton

Neiman, obviously you didn’t listen to his announcement yesterday.  He did acknowledge his faith in Jesus Christ.

I think it matters little what the terrorists think.  I would venture a guess that all the candidates are christians on both sides of the aisle. So I’ll be waiting for your judgement on all the candidates, Neiman.

It matters what the terrorists think when they say they want us to elect Democrats, Puzzle.

Combatrob...welcome to SA.  Thanks for doing the log in thing.  Things can get confusing.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Puzzlefeet: A. We were talking about Barak, but leave it to a liberal to drag in other people and plead moral equivalence. B. Are the rest of them also Muslims by birth? C. I will criticize anyone saying they are a christian, lower case; versus confessing a Faith in Christ as their Savior. There is a difference. D. I didn’t listen to his announcement, I am not interested; but did he say he was a Christian or did he express faith in Christ?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

He spoke of his Christian faith.  You can read it yourself.  http://www.barackobama.com/2007/02/10/remarks_of_senator_barack_obam_11.php

Oh, and it is not moral equivalence in the least.  It is the height of hypocrisy to question one candidates religion and not all the candidates.  But I guess it works for you. But your mind is already made up, so it really doesn’t matter.

Interesting observation, Neiman. When does one officially become a Muslim at which point apostasy becomes punishable by death?

Thanks, Rob. I’ve been reading your blog for awhile and sharing what you have to say via my site (check left, you’re on my blogroll). Good stuff!

"The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government—a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people.”

- President Bill Clinton

It is the height of hypocrisy to question one candidates religion and not all the candidates.

How so? I don’t agree. Especially if the candidate makes an open expression of their faith and the others have not.

"The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government—a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people.”

- President Bill Clinton

Thanks, Rob. I’ve been reading your blog for awhile and sharing what you have to say via my site (check left, you’re on my blogroll). Good stuff!

Glad to hear it.  If you want, feel free to start a reader blog here on SA and cross-post some stuff from your own blog.  You can get one by going to the reader blogs and clicking on the “request reader blog” link at the top of the right sidebar.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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I was the first person to post a comment on this thread… but now I see that it has been deleted for some reason.

I’d appreciate an explanation, Rob… I didn’t realize that I posted anything offensive. What gives?

Watcher...we’ve been having some problems with a guy going around posting porno links and porno pictures recently.  Yours could have gotten whacked by accident.

I apologize for the inconvenience.  Normally we never delete any comments here, so we’ve been sort of scrambling to deal with this jerk…

Sorry again.  It wasn’t on purpose.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Is Barack Obama’s Christianity not a concern for the left? After all, it is “fundamentalist” and “mythologically based”.

The double standard is interesting to note.

Oh… well, I don’t remember my exact words, but let me give it another go.

My basic complaint was that every time the Muslim question comes up, Obama falls back on his Christianity… but none of the media elites seem very interested in the weirdness going on at his church.

If this were a Republican candidate attending the white equivalent of Obama’s church, then we would never hear the end of it… such a Republican would be regarded as a candidate on the radical fringe, rather than being deified as Obama has been.

The “United Church of Christ” should be retitled the “United Church of Politicians Who Want to Claim to be Christian to Get Votes - it’s the same church our beloved Kent Conrad belongs to, and it’s really a church of nothing.  They don’t follow Biblical teachings, and are really just a repository for people who want to believe whatever they want.  So they gather under one roof, stamp “Christ” on the stationery, and get a free pass.  I’m not buying it.

The penalty under well-established shari’a law for apostasy—leaving Islam—is death. How would the world’s 249 gazillion Muslims react to having an American president who is also a Muslim apostate?

I want to find the conspiricy site that’s wondering why the Muslims aren’t attacking Barack Hussein Obama.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Clint F; You are quite correct as the UCOC does not seem to have any real creeds or doctrines as reflected in statements like this one: “As individual members of the Body of Christ, we are free to believe and act in accordance with our perception of God’s will for our lives.”

An even casual perusal of their literature seems to indicate that their view of the Word of God as being the subject of individual interpretation cause me to believe your statement seems quite accurate, “The “United Church of Christ” should be retitled the “United Church of Politicians Who Want to Claim to be Christian to Get Votes - it’s the same church our beloved Kent Conrad belongs to, and it’s really a church of nothing.”

Two final points: 1. Islam believes if the father was a Muslim the children are Muslims from birth and thus for any of them to become anything but Muslims mean they are apostates and subject to the death penalty. 2. I think the question posed by The Whistler is worthy of serious consideration, ‘why aren’t the Muslims concerned about Obama’s so-called Christianity? Could it be they find in him a kindred spirit or at least a sympathetic political leader?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

i honestly cant believe so many people would post something like this. really. who cares what his religion is? all we really care about is someone who would make an excellent president (obviously obama) and that actually cares about this country. he’s not even muslim. you people are so ignorant. really. i cant believe that there is some people who think that just because his middle name’s hussein means he’s a terrorist. get a life. stop trying to dig up so much crap on him just to make his chance to be president worse. you know, hillary clinton wasnt exactly truthful about her trip to bosnia. has this made you think twice about voting for her as it has this bullshit story about barack obama? just think. dont you want a change in this crappy government that we have now and take bush out of it? cause i know i do.

OBAMA IN ‘08.
peace.

obama,

The truly beautiful thing about the individual liberty we all enjoy in this country is that each of us can express our opinions, however ill-advised, ill-conceived, ill-formed, ill-articulated, and egregiously illiterate those opinions may be.

It is my fervent hope that you will acquire the thinking skills necessary to become a functioning, independent adult, and that we, the taxpayers, don’t get stuck with the cost of that GED class you failed.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

all we really care about is someone who would make an excellent president

Exactly, and many of us have already come to the conclusion that Obama would not make an excellent president, and his name has little bearing on that decision.  Tell me, obamas name-sake what has the real Obama done to make you think he would be an ‘excellent’ president?

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

"obama in ‘08” said, who cares what his religion is?

Who cares what ideology (aka: set of ideas and beliefs) a candidate has?

No wonder you’re for Obama. “Who cares” about his beliefs.

you know, hillary clinton wasnt exactly truthful about her trip to bosnia. has this made you think twice about voting for her as it has this bullshit story about barack obama?

Let’s ponder if these conservatives here have thought twice about voting for Hillary Clinton.

“Who cares” what his beliefs are, vote Obama.

Try this one, Obamabot: Barack Hussein Obama is a socialist. That’s reason enough not to vote for the guy. But you’re probably thinking “who cares”.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

all we really care about is someone who would make an excellent president

Based on what criteria? Your emotions? What about how his past and even current associations might reveal his true political ideology? What about his executive experience or his legislative record?

he’s not even muslim. you people are so ignorant. really. i cant believe that there is some people who think that just because his middle name’s hussein means he’s a terrorist. get a life.

Who is saying Obama is a Muslim? Do you hear or read a lot about that? If you do, get the tinfoil hat on tighter, you are hearing from those Marians again. Typical liberal though, raise a false charge, one that has no basis in fact, answer that false charge and then think you won the debate.

stop trying to dig up so much crap on him just to make his chance to be president worse.

So, let us say no one investigates everything about Obama and after he’s elected you learn he is a child molester? Wouldn’t you be angry that no one told you that before you voted? That is the political process, thoroughly vet a candidate before he/she is elected, not after! Oh, your stupid demand is worse in that you think it is best to not do anything to keep Obama from being President, how old are you?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.