Given the serious nature of this debate,I suggest we all meet for coffee at the Obama’s 1.6 mil Chicago manse and thrash things out.

Biting commentary PP. it’s almost as if you made a point.

Why are Republicans so dishonest to admit that this isn’t about having one large house, and that it is actually about having so many that you actually forget how many you have?

I guess it must have something to do with that honesty, character trait, they pretend to care so much about.

Thanks for demonstrating that you can obfuscate with the best of them PP.

Anyone wanna talk about the good.bad goddamnamerica Rev.J.Wright’s house/mansion in Tinley Park?

this house thing can get real juicy

pparets,

Those trash cans out in front of the Obama house are a nice touch. Wonder if the shredded records of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge are buried in there along with the cigarette butts and spoiled arugula?

RBB is exactly right. Votes for names of post offices should always take precedence over other less important work, like world hunger or Russian military ambitions.

The New Democratic Party: We are even shallower and stupider than ever. Change you can believe in.

Hey Poofy,

Why are you calling McCain’s wife an heiress? You told me she works hard to earn her money.

FYI, that is not what Heiress’s do.

Goon, you should really have a chat with the 108 about cherry picking.

He is good at it.

You…not so much.

On Monday, Obama’s campaign gave Bloomberg news service e-mails from the sellers, who reportedly said Obama’s $1.65 million bid “was the best offer” and that they didn’t cut their asking price because Rezko bought the adjacent yard.

Oh, the next paragraph reads:

The campaign said Obama and his wife started at $1.3 million and upped their offer twice over 10 days. According to the campaign, the sellers confirmed they “did not offer or give the Obamas a ‘discount’ on the house price on the basis of or in relation to the price offered and accepted on the lot.”

Darn that Susan Collins person anyway!

Not to mention the Kennedy compound in Hyannis Port and all of their other international “get-aways.”

Doesn’t sound like a leader to me.

More goofy baiting.

For US Senators, there are ethical and legal issues that have to be taken care of. If McCain owned the business of any sort, and actions that he took as a Senator could favorable influence that business, then he is required to place his portion of the business under the guidance of an independent trust fund.

A good leader in any case is someone who delegates wisely. The last really shitty president with Jimmy Carter—Mr. Triple Double: simultaneous 10%+ prime rate, inflation rate and unemployment rate. Part of this no doubt was due to his bankrupt ideas on economics, but part was due to his micromanagement style.

If you’re trying to tell me that Obama, unlike McCain, is a micromanager, I personally won’t vote for him.

Why are Republicans so dishonest to admit that this isn’t about having one
large house, and that it is actually about having so many that you actually
forget how many you have?

I have a friend who doesn’t know exactly what properties he owns. He invests in real estate, and somebody else manages the account….

Probably a similar story here.

That is an interesting point Poofy. The only problem with your brilliant argument is of course that both John Kerry and John Edwards both argued in favor of the economy being BAD for averaged income Americans.
You see, that is a problem for McCain, because he argues that the economy is GOOD.

To be honest, I don’t get why the pronouncement on the economy is relevant to the housing, or why the housing is relevant to the view of the economy.

The attack in and of itself “He has 8 houses! He must not be President!” seems really stupid.

I ask again, why is it so vital to the dems to create this “Abraham Lincoln” myth about Obama?

So he appeals to more moderate to cetral republicans and the working class.

From my understanding and feel free to correct me if i am wrong, the democrats think the only way a minority can make it is through handouts and governemnt help, the democrat way.

While conservatives (I would say republicans but this isnt mostly true with republicans) believe that minorities have the ability to make it without governemnt intervention, that they can be success by themselves and not through government handouts.

Why care so much about houses when this Obama piece of shit allowed new born babies to die? A.K.A. infanticide

As an Illinois state senator, he voted to permit infanticide. And now, running for president, he counts on media adulation to insulate him from his past.

God Damn the USA my ass!!! God Damn Barak Obama….

Bubba, you can’t use “boy” and “Obama” in the same sentence. It’s racist.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-obama-rezko-home-feb19,0,6690484.story

Obama: I toured home with Rezko
By David Jackson and Bob Secter | Tribune reporters
2:44 AM CST, February 19, 2008
Before he bought his South Side mansion in 2005, Sen. Barack Obama took his friend and fundraiser Antoin “Tony” Rezko on a tour of the premises to make sure it was a good deal, Obama’s campaign revealed Monday.

Weeks after saying he’d answered all questions about his controversial dealings with the now-indicted Rezko, Obama released new details about their purchase of adjacent lots from the same seller on the same day. But the disclosures by Obama’s presidential campaign left unanswered questions and raised new ones.

Obama was able to buy the house for $300,000 less than the listed price while Rezko, in his wife’s name, paid the full $625,000 asking price for an undeveloped side lot.

On Monday, Obama’s campaign gave Bloomberg news service e-mails from the sellers, who reportedly said Obama’s $1.65 million bid “was the best offer” and that they didn’t cut their asking price because Rezko bought the adjacent yard.

Spot on Golfer dude..

atease

RBB don’t you have a job, why don’t you go do some work and get out of your mothers basement dolt?

Wow! That’s pretty classless class envy going on there.

I don’t give a rat’s ass how many houses McCain owns.

Obama is LOSING running these kinds of commercials. He complains about “attack ads” and then runs this shit? Give us a break. Barack Obama needs to grow up. What an immature little brat.

And usually, those people who manage property are called property managers. They need to be in constant contact with the owners to make any sort of upgrade, repair or change in tenant. They also need to address things like the housing board if that is relevant.

If your friend is truly out of the loop on that, I would suggest he get on top of it soon or he is going to be in a world of trouble.

If McCain is that bad at managing his own finances and property, I don’t want him anywhere near a position where is responsible for managing the country.

My statement on it is simply

IS THIS ALL YOU GOT?

and the economy ISN’T that bad!

Go stand on any interstate overpass and count the cars and semi trucks that go under in 5 minutes!

To hear you and the O talk it’s a great depression. McCain has the economy vote now… to bad… so sad….

To have some wet behind the EARS rookie lecture me about the economy and play the class envy card when HE made 4 MILLION last year is vomitous.

Given the fact that the properties are personal, investment, and vacation and some may be owned or still financed the answer could vary depending on the person and circumstances. Some properties could be owned in his own name and some could be owned jointly with his wife. Just how specific was the question anyway?
One doesn’t have to be out of touch rich in order to have difficulties recalling all their properties.

Bubba, you can’t use “boy” and “Obama” in the same sentence. It’s racist.

electnixon,

So what?

I can’t really defend McCain if he owns 8 houses,

I don’t understand.. what’s he guilty of that needs to be defended?

Hannitized spewed:It doesn’t really answer my question, but it does go to demonstrate that there are people in this country who are so well off, that they actually forget how many properties they have. And now we are back where we started.

Actually you missed the point if McCain is so far out of touch because his wife owns a few houses BHO is out of touch for owning a 1.3 million dollar house, so the empty suit might want to tread lightly on this issue because he still hasn’t answered a lot of questions about his questionable short history.

Old John just can’t be trusted to remember the truth. It is quite a disturbing pattern of forgetfulness. Here a house there a house every where a house house.

That’s not change we can believe in.

Thanks for that Carrick.

It doesn’t really answer my question, but it does go to demonstrate that there are people in this country who are so well off, that they actually forget how many properties they have.

And now we are back where we started.

RCB, would you expect the sellers to admit to a crime in the pages of America’s #4 newspaper? Let’s be serious here; if Rezko did indeed do what appears to have happened here, as clarified by proof, a crime was committed.

And it takes a bit of chutzpah for a guy living in a $1.3 million house to say that the other guy is out of touch. Yeesh.

How about BHO’s House deal with Rezko, I am not sure he wants to go there… Also, the money that bought the houses are his wifes. More class War Fare…

Have always wondered why it is so important to democrats to paint a blatantly false picture of Barack Obama as a poor, struggling black kid who managed to rise in spite of the odds against him.

He attended private school in Indonesia and then attended Hawaii’s most exclusive private school.

It is told in soft, sympathetic terms that Obama lived with his mother and grand-parents, but the truth is, he wanted for nothing.

He attended the best colleges and is currently worth several millions of dollars.

I ask again, why is it so vital to the dems to create this “Abraham Lincoln” myth about Obama?

I think that “common folks” will have less trouble with the idea that rich folks own more houses than they do, than they will with the idea that some sleazy developer getting ready to go to jail, gave Obama a half a million dollar piece of property that Obama treats as if it were his own!

Joel. Did previous speakers of the house got such perks as Pelosi does?

McCain and his heiress wife might own more real estate than the average American. But, it may be that half of all McCain’s houses combined may be worth one John Edwards McMansion!, and certainly less than the combined real estate holdings of John F. and Theresa Heinz Kerry!

That is an interesting point Poofy. The only problem with your brilliant argument is of course that both John Kerry and John Edwards both argued in favor of the economy being BAD for averaged income Americans.

You see, that is a problem for McCain, because he argues that the economy is GOOD.

Of course none of the SAB crew “got it”, because they think this argument makes sense. And I suppose it does in an non-sensical, hide from reality, dumb-assed sort of way.

Rezko, in his wife’s name, paid the full $625,000 asking price for an undeveloped side lot.

Rezko’s wife then sold 1/6 of the adjoining lot to the Obama’s for 1/6 the price. (Leaving her 5/6 unusable, unable to be further developed- a de facto half million dollar gift to the Obamas!)

If I had Obama’s thin resume, carefully hidden track record and inability to speak without a teleprompter, I’d do anything to cast attention away from myself, too!

Again, it’s a non-issue. The faux indignation crowd in the Democratic party had no problem with John Kerry when he could not remember if a certain, big honking SUV was his or not.

“It’s not mine. It’s the family’s”

(If he is so wealthy that he can’t even remember how many cars he has, or which ones are his…)

Funny how all those fans of “nuance” seem to lose their perspective when there’s an “R” after someone’s name!

Your elitist guy doesn’t even know how many mansions he owns????

What a twit you are, boob! First of all, I doubt that they are mansions in the style of a John Edwards or a John Kerry, and second, where was your class envy when John “Rosethorn Scratch” Heinz Kerry was running for office?
Your highly selective indignation smells of horse hockey!

I will definitely admit; McCain seemed pretty “BoneHeaded” with that remark.

I don’t think that an inventory of Cindy’s property is that important to him in the grand scheme of things!

The boneheaded thing was bringing up housing, with Tony Rezko hanging around the Baraminator’s neck like a dead albatross!

Notably, Rezko’s company claimed that it lacked the funds to heat one of its 11 buildings in Obama’s state Senate district from December 1996 to February 1997. But Rezko still managed to write a $1,000 check to Obama’s campaign fund on Jan. 14. That month, his tenants shivered as 19 inches of snow fell on northern Illinois.

Goon slumbers out of bed without his coffee and vomits a gem:

Not true at all… I was up long before that…

For once I agree with you Kenny. Only, you got it wrong again. The attack isn’t that he has 8 houses. Its that he has so many, that he doesn’t even know how many he has.

Actually, I was going off the ad. On the ad, the attack is nothing but “He has five houses. Don’t elect him.” McCain sounded dumb on the sound bite…Obama sounded mentally retarded. The problem is…Obama chose both sound bites. DOH.

And if he is so wealthy that he can’t even remember how many houses he has, well….just how out of touch is he with average Americans who can barely afford their one house?

At one time my family owned three houses. We rented one, lived in one, and my grandparents lived in the other (they paid all the bills but it was in our name). A LOT of people own more than one house. Or they buy a duplex and rent a side out. It’s not that uncommon. Real estate is a pretty common form of investment. I’m low middle class, and most people I know who own a house rent to someone. In St. Louis, about 90% of dual spaced housing are owned by one half of the tenets and rented to the other.

Regardless, since all the property is his wife’s and the broker reports to her, not him, this seems moot. I’m sure the McCains have gone beyond talking about “my” and “your” property, and now just talk in joint terms. Doesn’t mean he keeps up on it.

He dug himself in deep with that one. Your average American won’t forget that.

99.85% of Americans will not remember this. Sorry. Voters have extremely short memories. About 40% of the electorate votes for the R because its R, 40% for the D because its D, and the remaining 20 don’t tune in til the month before the election.