If her comment was not RACIST, then what was is??

It really shows how the right is without ideas when they chew on this idiotic bit of grizzle for days. Don’t worry. Soon they will move on to the next manufactured outrage. Anger and fear—the only platform the far-right knows.

You are looking in the liberal mirror pal! You really are describing the Democrat Party, except they also deal in class warfare, America is bad, they have worked very hard for a military defeat in Iraq and they wanted more than anything for the economy to tank and it didn’t. Otherwise, if you got a hundred million of them together you wouldn’t get a teaspoonful of real ideas, but gallons of socialism. Fear, they are selling a bad economy when it is doing great, the only fear the Democrats feel is that the unwashed poor won’t fear those that are successful.

Robert108:
Honestly, I still don’t get it! Maybe you are right, but I just don’t see it.

We need a leader to lead, not to make promises like a used-car salesman. You “hope” your car continues to run after you drive it off the lot. Hope is what’s left after everything else is gone, and that isn’t even close to describing the situation in the US today.

That is the right way to view Obama and his candidacy, I agree with you; but I think what he is doing is a winning formula for him in 2008; it is the populist, everyone is getting screwed by Bill Gates, WalMart and the Washington elite crowd he is selling, facts be damned. It has been my observation that when a slick talking Billy Jeff, JFK or Obama comes along and sells the idea that the rich have too much money and they will help them by redistributing capital, there are enough idiots that will say the facts be damned, I’ll vote to put somone elses money in my pocket to make the difference in this election.

Now, let us accept that the facts are on McCain’s side and he will be able to articulate them, I still think the people are in a mood to vote their emotions and only their emotions and the chances are in the high ninety percentile that it will be President Obama.

Sally,

Yes, I honestly believe that neither Hillary Clinton (don’t yet count her out!) nor Barack Obama will be our next president.

Hillary’s albatrosses are enough to kill her chances, and considering what she may have to do to win the nomination at this point (floor fight, Florida and Michigan delegate challenges, courtroom challenges) sh is quite likely to have, in the end, turned off enough Democrats to lose the election in November… nevermind the independents or any stray Republicans.

As for Obama, he is clearly to young and inexperienced to be president. Second, although he is almost mesmerizing with prepared remarks and a teleprompter, he is a rhetorical stumble-bum without them. In an extemporaneous debate, his attempts at being smooth will prove an embarrassment. Furthermore, he has yet to offer any hint of how he expects to actually pay for all the promises he’s made. McCain OWNS the issue of fiscal thrift and responsible stewardship of the taxpayers money. Obama, in the final analysis, is just another young, not ready for prime time, tax and spend liberal… and considering what congressional Democrats have, and have not accomplished in their first year in control, either Democrat nominee will be running uphill if the conversation is about the economy, taxes, and federal spending. Which is normally the case in a presidential election (“Its the economy, stupid!).

Of course the only main distraction would be another terrorist attack against the US, but that surely isn’t going to help liberal Democrats either.

Now calm down ya two bit racist piece of shit.

It’s times like these I wonder if Lickingshoes ever offered anything of substance on this site? So far, I have only seen remarks that bare a slight resemblance to humor and general assholery.

Why do you even bother Liqwid? Oh, I forgot, right-wing circle-jerks just arent the same with out the circle, or the jerking. Please continue.

Rob,

This is yet another example of your inability to comprehend it is what you are reading. You can cling to your opinion excuse to evade the battery you are taking for this, but to me you have just solidified my opinion that you are nothing more than a cheap propagandist or a complete fucking moron.

You should have stuck to the criticism of Michelles comment. It was a really stupid thing to say, and I for one am saddened by the lack of thought put behind that comment.

Oh well, at least it wasn’t as bad as what Barbara said after Hurrican Katrina:

“What I’m hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them.” – The Silver Fox

Now people like Robert can’t complain about First ladies who make stupid comments. Unless he thinks the “Grey” Fox is right.

My grandmother died in the Holocaust, and if you think I’m just gonna sit by while these -explitive deleted-like Anna express “pride” in the Nazis,(correction) I’m insane.

Todd,

Are you sure your grandmother didn’t commit suicide upon realizing what her grandson became?

Have your parents also taken the easy way out?

It’s a terrible world out there “Todd”…please keep us informed as to your whereabouts. Please.

Regardless of how you feel about certain issues we may have as a nation there is ALWAYS reason to be proud of our country.

So if our country executed 6 million Jews, you’d still be proud? Fucking Anti-Semite!!! Go spread your racist drivel somewhere else, AnnKKKa. It’s not welcome here.

I can’t you believe you’d support a pro-genocide nation. That’s fucking repulsive. Get your damn head examined.

Rob:

From realityboob’s reaction in this thread, we can all see how any criticism of Obama is going to be treated. You go after him on something, and you’re a racist.

Rob: You are the one who is fixated on race. Obama’s wife says she’s proud for her country, and you reply by saying:

She’s proud because the Democrats are (likely) going to nominate a black man.

And then you have the temerity to accuse her of playing “oblique identity politics”? Rob: You’re playing blatant identity politics!!!

She says she’s proud that her husband could be our next president, and you immediately twist it into her being proud that a black man could be our next president. Gee, that’s the fucking definition of identity politics!

Then you play the victim:

From realityboob’s reaction in this thread, we can all see how any criticism of Obama is going to be treated. You go after him on something, and you’re a racist.

I don’t think your criticism of Obama in this thread makes you a racist. It makes you a fucking hypocritical race-baiting demagogue.

Bull-fucking-shit. My grandmother died in the Holocaust, and if you think I’m just gonna sit by while these fucktards like Anna express “pride” in the Nazis, you’re fucking insane.

Todd,

Your crude stupidity aside, no where did Anna, or anyone else, express pride in the Nazis, much less “endorse genocide” as you’ve also suggested. Time to get a refund on that GED reading comprehension course.

What she said was a terrible thing to say about America.
Regardless of how you feel about certain issues we may have as a nation there is ALWAYS reason to be proud of our country.
I have little to no respect for a person who said what she did.

Mrs Obama’s statement, on the other hand, simply gives us a glimpse into what she thinks of this country, and it isn’t so good.

R108,

True enough, but it ain’t like she’s actually going to BE First Lady anyway.

One of your posters endorses genocide

Step away from the crack pipe and learn to read English!
(BTW, nice anal necklace, Todd!)
Anna said:

there is ALWAYS reason to be proud of our country.

and you start flipping out about the Holocaust! Get a grip, dude!

This guy Todd is more than a few bricks short of a full load. Wow! He attacks Anna based on something she never said or intimated, when confronted with the truth he repeats the false premise of his attack.

Todd you are in serious need of a bolus of Thorazine (prescription tranquilizer drug used to treat moderate to severe mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, manic-depressive illness) ASAP!

but honest to God I don’t see any there – there, it was not worth all the furor.

You mean you didn’t see the obvious racism and “identity politics” Rob did???

Now people like Robert can’t complain about First ladies who make stupid comments. Unless he thinks the “Grey” Fox is right.

She told the truth, which is always good, so I don’t think you have a point in your clumsy attempt to change the subject from what Mrs Obama said about not being proud of her country. Many of the former welfare dependents from NO are still in Texas, which simply proves the accuracy of Mrs Bush’s statement.
Mrs Obama’s statement, on the other hand, simply gives us a glimpse into what she thinks of this country, and it isn’t so good.

And, really, the addition of the word “really” doesn’t change a thing. Michele Obama isn’t “really” proud of anything her country has done in the last 26 years?

That’s an awful thing to say.

Hahaha.

Watching the sleazy liars from the right try to paint Michele Obama as an America hater has now become comical. The use of the word “really”, really changes the context of the statement.

You can be proud of your child, but you can be “really” proud of your child when they finish law school. In either case, you are still proud of your child.

THE. ADDITION. OF. THE. WORD. CHANGES. EVERYTHING.

This one is buttoned up.

Robert108: That was an excellent list of things Mrs. Obama should be proud of; but I guess because in my life I have made emotional statements that have gone overboard, I tend to give her the benefit of the doubt and do not see anything in her statement that she should apologize for saying or that Obama should correct.

I do not want Obama to be elected or the Hildabeast; but since I know everyone can say stupid things at one time or another in their lives, I want to offer Mrs. Obama the same understanding I would like those on my side to get when they screw-up.

but honest to God I don’t see any there – there, it was not worth all the furor.

You mean you didn’t see the obvious racism and “identity politics” Rob did?

Because I don’t see anything wrong with her statement, it doesn’t mean I’ve joined your side or that I think Rob is saything this out of any malice, racism or to be unfair. Rob and others see something wrong with what she said, I don’t yet, but I respect their right to view her comments differently than I have.

As for Obama, he is clearly to young and inexperienced to be president. Second, although he is almost mesmerizing with prepared remarks and a teleprompter, he is a rhetorical stumble-bum without them.

Can’t disagree with you there…but why would that stop the loony tunes?

Look how many people fell for Kerrys line.
His pontification sounded impressive but was surely shallow and meaningless.

Hey, look at that Rob either purposefully or accidentally misquoted Michele (as usual). She didn’t say what he quoted. He left out the word “really”.

Michele said:

“”For the first time in my adult life, I am “really” proud of my country,” she told a Milwaukee crowd today, “because it feels like hope is making a comeback.”

You see the difference between that quote and Rob’s quote??? Here, let me show you the importance of how the word plays into the sentence:

“I always thought Robert was an ignorant partisan, but know I really think Robert is an ignorant partisan.”

This is about Mrs Obama’s very revealing comment, and none of your demented leftie talking points.

It’s about a gaffe, a word you very clearly used. A gaffe is something every president does and one president in particular does them all the time.

You inadvertently showed the rights hypocrisy and gave Michelle an out by trying to hold her feet to the fire, when clearly you never do it for Bush or any other Republican like Bill Bennet, when he said:

“I do know that it’s true that if you wanted to reduce crime, you could–if that were your sole purpose–you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down,”

Poor choice of words often occur. It’s the context in which they were used that needs to be relied upon to better understand their meaning.

She told the truth, which is always good,

Precious. So what part is true about Bush’s statement? The part where people who were sheltered in the stadium after Hurricane Katrina are better off?

Why are they better off, because they have one pair of clothes, don’t have a house, don’t have a job anymore, don’t have anything but a cot on the 50yrd line and the ability to shower with strangers?

Only a nit-wit like you would agree with Bush on that comment. Which begs the question: Do you also hate black people or is it just Bush?

so I don’t think you have a point in your clumsy attempt to change the subject from what Mrs Obama said about not being proud of her country.

I dont agree she said what she meant. I believe she said something stupid, but meant something different all together.

I believe she simply meant for the first time in her adult life that she is proud that here country has hope and the ability to act on it, instead of where weve been for a while.

Your inability to put it in perspective, just goes to show how much you hate black people if you combine it with your previous acceptance of Bush’s statement.

I dont agree she said what she meant. I believe she said something stupid, but meant something different all together.

This must be what you lefties call “the politics of meaning”, then. She said one thing(quite clearly), but she “meant” something else. How can we trust a person who does that? I think she meant exactly what she said, and we should remember that.

She said one thing(quite clearly), but she “meant” something else. How can we trust a person who does that? I think she meant exactly what she said, and we should remember that.

Hahaha. Typical partisan spin. This is why we have press secretaries R O B E R T.

Does this mean then, that Bush meant we are on a Crusade when he said it?

http://piquancy.blogspot.com/2003/05/crusades-that-were-not.html

E,

When someone, obviously intelligent, makes a mistake we refer to the error as a typo.

Do try and contribute something worthwhile.

Or, she might have meant that, although she was faking it before, now, “for the first time in my entire adult life”, she is really proud. Fake then, real now.

Actually, in retrospect, I kinda agree with Neiman. I still think it shows that she’s nota fan of America, but for the reasons he outlined above.

Jack,

Anna dealt with reality as it is, not some genocidal nightmare that never happened. It’s like a mother talking to a father about their kid. He says now that Timmy is Valedictorian, he is really proud of him (implying he wasn’t before). Mom says that Timmy’s a good kid, and even if he’s not doing exactly what they want they should always be proud of him. Dad replies back “What about if he’s a serial killer?: What about that? You sick ass freak. You’d be proud of him raping and murdering women?”

She would be rightfully surprised. She’s trying to say they should always be proud of their son, even if he’s not number one. Dad responds with some insane drivel about an alternate reality where their son is butchering women. I think she’d be justified in asking if he lost his mind.

Hannitized,

You’re being really dishonest. Rob linked to a story that originally said what he claimed it said. It updated, and he updated as well. Instead of erasing his original comments, he just added an update at the bottom. He’s not hiding what he said, and he’s certainly not lying. He’s just putting what he feels, and keeping the story updated. You know your accusations are baseless.

Even if you think he’s wrong, it doesn’t mean he’s a “filthy liar” or dishonest. Heaven forbid he just jumped to a conclusion.

It really shows how the right is without ideas when they chew on this idiotic bit of grizzle for days.

Don’t worry. Soon they will move on to the next manufactured outrage.

Anger and fear—the only platform the far-right knows.

Jack – *shrug*

When you have something to bring, you’ll bring it.

Keep going Robert, you are single handedly loosing this argument for your whole team.

Only a loser keeps trying to distract with off-topic rants when he’s clearly refuted. Nice try, loser.

This is about Mrs Obama’s very revealing comment, and none of your demented leftie talking points.

NIGGERRS WERE BROUGHT HERE BY THE IGNORANT!
AND WILL BE THE DOWNFALL OF THE USA!
KKK

Enigma, who is you choice for our next president?

I haven`t read or heard the cmplete speech so i am reacting to a quote without context.

I think what she probably really meant was that she is proud of the way the people are rallying in support of her husband, their message and family. That for the first time in American history it seems like a black family can reach across racial lines with a message that resonates with all.

We talk about the “Hispanic vote, the “Black“ vote, the papers emphasize how crucial race is in this race for the presidency.

If i was her i would be really proud to be an American [maybe for the first time we can put race aside and elect a ``black`` family to the white house without discrimination?!]

I don’t want Mrs Obama as First Lady, if she has gone all her life up to now, not being proud of this country. I don’t care what her reasons are, she doesn’t belong in that position.

So if our country executed 6 million Jews, you’d still be proud?

Who let the Toad in? What reality does it live in, anyway? It postulates (or maybe in its case pustulates!) a racist genocide in our country where none exists, then it spews foul obscenities towards someone who celebrated the imaginary genocide found only in its head. Seek therapy, Toad!

You accused her of Nazi support, even though she made no such reference.

She said she would ALWAYS a reason to be proud of her country. Obviously, then, she would be proud of her country if it promulgated the Holocaust. If not, then she lied. So she’s either a liar or a Nazi.

Bat One,

Michelle never once said that her life is dismal and hopeless. Why you think that’s the case makes no sense.

I also have to ask you Rob, why you made race an issue when it wasn’t even part of this story? You really should examine yourself and your attitudes.

Sundown:

I also have to ask you Rob, why you made race an issue when it wasn’t even part of this story? You really should examine yourself and your attitudes.

That’s easy, it’s because Rob is a race-baiting hypocrite. Next question!

Turtle, just where in that quote did Mrs. Obama say anything about race?
Maybe it came later, but what you are showing here doesn’t justify your racist remark.

It’s obvious that for the gop, the Negro problem is making a comeback.

As a leftie, you know all about sleazy partisan political games, because that’s all you lefties have.

I saw the video of Mrs Obama’s gaffe; she amplified what she meant, and it’s very clear she meant exactly what she said, and meant to say it. You guys can’t do anything without lying, leftie.

So if our country executed 6 million Jews, you’d still be proud? Fucking Anti-Semite!!! Go spread your racist drivel somewhere else, AnnKKKa. It’s not welcome here.
I can’t you believe you’d support a pro-genocide nation. That’s fucking repulsive. Get your damn head examined.

But our country hasn’t done that…so what the hell is your point, you blasted moron?

Anna said nothing racist. If I was you, I’d get off the quarter operated store pony you think is a high horse. And put back on the helmet. Wouldn’t want you to hurt yourself.

You can be proud of your child, but you can be “really” proud of your child when they finish law school. In either case, you are still proud of your child.

H,

You have a point, and a good one I think. In fairness (something you liberals claim to have a monopoly on) please extend the same courtesy when interpreting the words of your political opposites.

Turtle, just where in that quote did Mrs. Obama say anything about race?

Nowhere. Rob’s the one playing identity politics.

Todd: How in hell does Anna’s admittedly rah-rah comment have to do with Hitler’s “Final Solution”?

Thats what I call a real stretch . Lighten up, dude.

I don’t hold any gaffe Bush says against him. I never have.

Another outright lie from you.

You obviously haven’t even viewed the video of her little speech, so you continue to illustrate your ignorance. She meant exactly what she said.

She said there are reasons to be proud of the fucking Nazis, Proof. Yeah, that tends to piss me off.

“realitybased”bob – nice racist remark you’ve made there. “The Negro problem”? Typical Democrat.

NeiKKKman

Anna does not deserve those kind of crude, demeaning and disgusting words. You are no man! You have no decency or the least amount of respect for a person like Anna that has done you no harm.

You owe her an apology

Bull-fucking-shit. My grandmother died in the Holocaust, and if you think I’m just gonna sit by while these fucktards like Anna express “pride” in the Nazis, you’re fucking insane.

I mean, Christ. One of your posters endorses genocide and you all rush to defend her. What the fuck is wrong with this country? Thank God some of us still need reasons to support something.

“realitybased”bob – I am well versed in your version of “historical context”.

No, lik, you clearly are not.

and I’m a good deal more experienced at life than she is.

Why would you assume that, because you are older?

By the way, I love how realityboob calls me a racist after I refer to Martin Luther King’s “content of character not color of skin” line.

I say I don’t think skin color should matter in elections, then I get tagged a racist. I guess that’s how things are going to work with Obama as the candidate.

A fair request and you should know that I do HG. Please also note that my first reaction was of disappointment with the original mis-quote. I did not try to defend that remark, because it would have been a stupid thing to say.

I believe HG’s point was that you shouldn’t have accused me of lying about what Michelle Obama said, because I didn’t.

I can’t help that the quote was updated.

Nowhere. Rob’s the one playing identity politics.

I said it sounded like “oblique” identity politics. Meaning she didn’t come right out and say it, but it was implied.

That’s my opinion of it, which you are of course welcome to disagree with.

Hannitized, from the post I linked above:

This item was corrected from a previous version.

I didn’t misquote anyone. Your problem is with the reporter who initially misquoted her.

I’m updating the post to reflect my source’s correction, which I wasn’t aware of until just now.