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30 minutes is 60 30-second “ad” spots, right?

So that’s essentially paying $16,667 per 30-second spot using $1,000,000 divided by 60.

I have no idea what a prime-time 30-second spot costs.

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30 SECOND spots on prime time CBS average between $150,000 and $250,000.  Arguably, I’d say Obama got a 98% discount...or an “in kind” contribution to his campaign.

Wow.

So, due to equal time laws, McCain can buy the same spots for pennies on the dollar.  He should.

I think I’ll drop another donation his way to help.

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I just read that he would be speaking for the entire 30 min.My question is: What could he have to say for an entire 30 min. period? And with game 6 of series on, will anyone watch except the trule Kool-Aiders?? My hubby thinks he will practice up this great speech and give it and the world will swoon. Are the networks going to advertise this heavily? Is he paying extra for that? Or is that a “freebie” from the network fanclubs?

Obamamaniacs don’t have attention spans that long.

Why would he spend $2M for a 30 minute infomercial a few nights before the election whe he basically gets 2 60 minute infomercials on MSNBC every night (Olbermann & Maddow) that then get rebroadcast again?

And once the issue of the buy hits the MMM, how much mention will he get?  How do you calculate that value?

Hey dude!  Where’s my recession?

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

Robert,

Evidently it will be coming right up!

Not for Obama, apparently.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

What could this moron actually have to say. I think it is just more of the same reading from a teleprompter.

Check out:
Goon’s North Dakota Red Neck
Goon’s World

30 minutes of prime time for under $1 million? Really? Does everyone running for elected office get this discount, or just the Obamessiah?

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

When are all u uptight white guys going to get over your issues with an intelligent, educated, eliquent black man running for President??? Contrary to some people’s beliefs us “Obamamaniacs” do have an attention span that extends well past a 30 min ad. That’s the main reason we’ve stepped up and have overtaken this election, and one of the main reasons we’ll be the ones who enforce a change this election. It’s a shame a small group of “you” white americans aren’t more concerned with your children and your grandchildren’s future, as oppose to being threatened by the presence of a man who happens to be from another racial background than you. No matter what his color, he offers a change that is necessary for America as a whole to continue to uphold it’s military status, to ensure our children’s education, and to make the changes necessary for healthcare and social security reform before our nation falls even further behind the rest of the “world”. Let’s not allow the same “old white men” who have run the government for the last 8 years to continue on the path that has lead us inevitably towards our own self distruction, here and abroad. And before you ask, yes I am a white female, born and raised in these United States.

When you show a willingness to adjust your position based on the real facts: rather than persisting in repeating damaging lies that prove your poor judgment.

First, when trying to make a point it’s best not to start by throwing insults because you have no valid “facts” to back your claim. Most people would say that is poor judgment. Secondly, I would be more than willing to listen to any legitimate fact-based information you could post regarding the “damaging lies” (in your words) myself and the majority of the nation are repeating. So instead of speaking ignorantly on the subject, come forth with some valid info. Let’s have a healthy debate.

Samantha… ITS NOT ABOUT HIS SKIN COLOR… I’m so skin of everyone calling you racist if you don’t believe in Obama… TRUST ME IF RACE WAS GOING TO BE ON MY LIST OF REASONS WHY NOTE TO VOTE FOR OBAMA… IT WOULD BE AT THE VERY BOTTOM…

1. I don’t believe in Socialism
2. I don’t like that he has associations with Bill Ayers
3. I don’t like the radical church and the hate filled Jerimiah Wright that Obama has referenced in his book and been quoted as saying something about how great a leader he is… (can’t quote the actual quote right now)
4. If he didn’t know what that church was about after 20 years than your agrument about him being an educated intelligent man doesn’t hold up…
5. There a periods of his life that are fuzzy… what was his thesis on, birth certificate, etc…
6. He doesn’t has enough experience
7. The terrorist that we are at war with want him to be our President
8. HE IS A SOLIALIST (sorry worth noting again)

I have to get ready for work (yes I actually work and make money for myself and don’t expect the government to hand me anything) or I could go on and on and on..........

HE IS A SOLIALIST

What the fuck is that?

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Samantha.  He offers a change to communism.  He celebrates a domestic terrorist and embraces something called “black libration theology” at a ?church?  These behaviors are foreign to me.  Like ashley, I have worked for a living my entire life.  Every day for about 45 years.  I know some people who refuse to work even to pick up a piece of paper or close a door.  Choices mean freedom.  Government dictating each and every choice and move mean slavery.

Communism is evil

This is Barack Obama:

9. The the majority of the military support McCain...what happens when Obama gets in office (a man who has critized our sons and daughters effort by saying they have bombed civilians)??? I believe retirement will go up and enlistment will go down… then what???
10. Then there is the whole abortion thing…

11. The Fairness Act… I don’t want my freedom of speech taken away… and that will only be the beginning

That one should have been #2 on my list…

The the majority of the military support McCain

Too bad they don’t think for themselves. Those people are broken down until they don’t exist. Then they are rebuilt by insecure, violent types to be unquestioning.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Too bad they don’t think for themselves. Those people are broken down until they don’t exist. Then they are rebuilt by insecure, violent types to be unquestioning.

My cousin is in the military so I take offense to that and also he went to college first so he wanted to fight for our country… He and the rest of the military are fighting for you!!!! You think that little of the ones protecting America… That is discusting!!!!!

ashley: Trying to reason with the Sparkless one only feeds his narcissism. He says outrageously stupid things so that people will pay attention to him. Either that, or he really is outrageously stupid…

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Sparkie,

Ordinarily, your caustic comments are taken for the tiresome prattle they really are, and easily dismissed or ignored altogether.  And your pride in your purportedly first rate intellectual gifts has been duly noted, although I don’t recall anything on record to suggest that those gifts have been put to any sort of practical use or have proven otherwise advantageous.  The ability to “stuff” a basketball or handle a jackhammer or a D-9 Cat might have served you just as well.

But disparaging those who serve in the military, and those who have served, is unusually offensive… and childish.  Plenty of military volunteers have been your intellectual equal, or better, and their academic accomplishments have only been enhanced by the discipline and sacrifice instilled by their service.

Perhaps if you deigned to get out of your ivory tower every so often you might come to realize that the freedoms you blithely take for granted are not some immutable law of nature or a vested entitlement, but have been earned for you by the sacrifice and service of those you so arrogantly disparage.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

He and the rest of the military are fighting for you!!!!

I live here, in the USA.

I don’t live in Egypt, Iran, Guatemala, various countries in Africa, S. America, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Somalia, Grenada, Cuba, Haiti, Vietnam, France, Cambodia, Laos, the Balkans, etc. etc. etc.

Quick. Get a memo out!

disparaging those who serve in the military, and those who have served, is unusually offensive… and childish

I can call into question their ability to make independent decisions and think for themselves because they have specifically had that ability broken down according to cutting edge techniques. You know that.

Plenty of military volunteers have been your intellectual equal, or better, and their academic accomplishments have only been enhanced by the discipline and sacrifice instilled by their service.

That’s fine, but we are talking about their ability to serve as a means of political insight or intuition. They are all taught to believe in an ‘enemy’. They are taught to ignore the ‘enemy’ within.

you might come to realize that the freedoms you blithely take for granted are not some immutable law of nature or a vested entitlement, but have been earned for you by the sacrifice and service of those you so arrogantly disparage

please, list the freedoms I have that i cannot get elsewhere. also, are we to take this as an admission that freedoms are a construct, and not an immutable fact of nature? was not i born with these freedoms?

i’m so sorry i deign to disagree with you whenever the eff i want. please, tell me to shut up… then rant about freedom.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

i’m so sorry i deign to disagree with you whenever the eff i want. please, tell me to shut up… then rant about freedom.

Sparkie,

You are wrong!  Again!  I have never told you, or any of the other little leftist lemmings to “shut up.’

On the contrary, it is the self-styled “progressives” who find themselves enamored of “STFU” and the Democrats, the ones who routinely trumpet all that nonsense about diversity, inclusiveness, and tolerance who habitually scream “Racist” and whatever other insults are on today’s talking points memo at anyone who dares disagree.

Disagree all you want.  Just don’t try to pass off that disagreement as enlightenment or tolerance.  You represent neither.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

are we to take this as an admission that freedoms are a construct, and not an immutable fact of nature? was not i born with these freedoms?

“We”???  The royal accolade is hardly appropriate under the circumstances!

That said, your rhetorical questions all but prove my point… however inadvertently.  Certainly you were born with those freedoms.  They were “endowed” by your Creator, whether you choose to acknowledge Him or not.  So too were the Chinese, the Burmese, the Venezuelans, the Cubans, the Ibo, the Tutsi, and the Iraqis.  But without a determined and sustained effort to exercise and defend those freedoms they either atrophy or are taken away.

You were also endowed with the ability to breath.  But a pack of Galloises a day and no aerobic exercise to speak of and that too will disappear.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Botone
I notice that the issue you called me childish over, namely my claiming that military types’ political opinions are conditioned by their superiors, was ignored in your two comments which followed my reply. Address this:

I can call into question their ability to make independent decisions and think for themselves because they have specifically had that ability broken down according to cutting edge techniques. You know that.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Also, one might note that our installing minority, freedom-crushing, puppet regimes around the world, as we do and have done… hardly aligns with your little bullshit narrative about spreading our God given virtues.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Barack Obama hates the Constitution. Barack Obama and his wife hate America. They want to “change” it from the bottom up. They love Louis Farrakhan and Jeremiah Wright. They love Africa-"The cradle of Civilization.”
They hate middle class Americans and plan to steal our income and our 401Ks to,"benefit the black community first and foremost.”

Obama didn’t spend the $50 mil in Annenberg money on math, science, reading comprehension or critical thinking skills, he [and Ayers] spent it on social justice extremists-marxist programs to indoctrinate the kids ---- to hate America as much as they do.

They spent it on education programs built around the same extremist anti-American ideology preached by Reverend Wright. And guess what?

He is promoting the same bitterly anti-American Afrocentric ideologues that he and Ayers were promoting a decade ago.The Obama-led foundation funneled more than $200,000 to an outfit called the Coalition for Improved Education in South Shore.Its mission: training public-school teachers in “Afrocentric” education, a pseudo-scientific movement that (as a trainer brought in with CAC funds put it)

rejects Western civilization, and America in particular, as “white supremacist” and seeks to “recover our disrupted ancestral culture.”

Read: Obama Funded Anti-American, Afrocentric, Schools

I can call into question their ability to make independent decisions and think for themselves because they have specifically had that ability broken down according to cutting edge techniques. You know that.

I notice that the issue you called me childish over, namely my claiming that military types’ political opinions are conditioned by their superiors, was ignored in your two comments which followed my reply.

Sparkie,

Your first quote was not specific to “political opinions” as was your second restatement.  Instead you called into question “their ability to make independent decisions and think for themselves...” which is offensive bullshit on your part, and betrays your own prejudice and bias rather than anything approaching first-hand knowledge or personal experience.  Clearly, you have no idea what you’re talking about and no rational basis for your offensive accusation.

The training you refer to is specific to the military mission, the discipline and reliability required to perform military tasks successfully, and the need to make correct military decisions instantaneously.  It has no bearing on personal partisan opinions or decisions, as you might know if you actually had any first hand experience to draw on.

Besides, if all military personnel were in fact the mind-numbed, thoughtless automatons that you portray them to be then there would be no explaining the recent endorsement of Barack Obama by Colin Powell, or for that matter this from several months ago.

It is your own thinking that is limited, pre-conditioned by small minded bias.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

...hardly aligns with your little bullshit narrative about spreading our God given virtues.

Sparkie,

You are becoming quite the consummate dissembler, what with all this leisure time on your hands.  I said nothing about spreading anything, and certainly nothing about virtue in addressing your offensive commentary.

Go back and read the thread again.  It won’t take long at all, and you’ve got plenty of time.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Samantha - And before you ask, yes I am a white female, born and raised in these United States.

No one was asking.

Honey, you’re the one who mentioned race seven times in your short little “change” screed.

The prototypical Obama supporter: race, race, race, change, race, change, something about children and grandchildren, race, “the last 8 years”, race.

Ashley,

Since you seem to be quoting very unreliable sources,let me give you a few simple facts to answer your questions:

1) Barack is Socialist: This is a very loosely used term that many people warp to fit their own point of view. The Webster Dictionary states Socialism as follows:
-"Any of various ecomonic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods”.
Please explain to me how this relates to any of the policies or any part of Barack’s agenda that he has laid out up to this point?
Was it not Bush and McCain who nationalized the banking system in this country just this year? Does that not fit almost word-for-word into the definition of solialism? Anyone who would like to look at the idea of government and the defintion of socialism will rationally agree most major countries have given in to this idea and have made it a part of their policies at some point for the benefit of their country and their citizens.

2) The issue of Bill Ayers: Lets address who Bill Ayers is and what his background consists of first. He is a co-founder of a “Radical Anti-Vietnam” group that formed in 1969. Barack was born on Aug 4, 1961. So to be involved with Mr. Ayers back then is unfathomable. Barack was 8 years old when this group was formed and had nothing to do with their actions at that time.
Yes, Barack has met and worked with Mr. Ayers in the last decade or so. Let’s all keep in mind during this that Mr. Ayers has since denounced his actions and is a Professor of Education at the Univeristy of Illinois at Chicago. McCain came out on Oct 10th of this year in a 30 second ad claiming Barack lied about this connection to Ayers. Although the previous day he ran a 90 second internet ad stating, “Barack and Ayers ran a radical education foundation together.” Followed by the statement that he felt Barack was being truthful about his relationship with Mr. Ayers. This “Radical” group McCain was referring to is an educational foundation that held not only the support of the Republican Govenor at the time, but also included a Republican from the Nixon administration that as recently as this year gave $1,500 to the McCain Campaign.

3)The issue of fuzzy periods of his life. ie: his thesis or his birth certificate: The issues you seem to be referring to (and correct me if I’m wrong) are the assumption that he was a practicing Muslim at some point, and that he claimed to have dual citizenship with the USA and Kenya. Most of these “facts” were stated in a book “The Obama Nation” by author, Jerome Corsi. Since the publication of this book, almost all “facts” in this book have been proven not only to be false, but that Mr. Corsi had the correct information at the time and choose to ignore it. In his book Mr. Corsi states that a childhood friend of Barack’s stated he witnessed Barack attending services at his local place of worship that practiced and upheld Muslim beliefs. The man who gave this info to Mr. Corsi is Mr. Zulfan Adi. He stated at the time, and in an interview later with the Chicago Tribune that he cannot be certain of these recollections and only knew Barack for a few months during 1970 when he moved into the neighborhood. To follow that, the Chicago Tribune also interviewed dozens of Barack’s classmates, neighbors, teachers, and friends who have stated that at no point was Barack ever a practing Muslim, nor did he attend prayer services at any Muslim house of worship.

Now onto his birth certificate: Many issues have been brought up about this including, but not limited to:

-It does not have a raised seal
-It is not signed by a state official
-There is a strange halo around the letters
-Certificate numbers have been blacked out
-The date bleeding thru on it says 2007, when it was not released to the public until 2008.

The simple answers to this are as following, in respective order:

-There is infact a raised seal on it indicating it was originally produced and provided by the state of Hawaii.
-It was signed by Mr. Alvin T. Onaka, who was the State Registar at the time it was originally issued.
-Upon review by unpartisan parties the were no halos around any of the lettering, indicating it was a simple for of “matrixing” when it was scanned and posted on the internet and passed along to media agencies.
-The certificate numbers were blocked out for a very simple and understandable reason. The Barack Campaign was rushed to put it into the media outlets upon the first claim against Barack’s citizenship. After attempts to contact Hawaiian officials to confirm the certificate number did not include any private or confidentail info, which was not confirmed by any officials, the campaign released it with the numbers blacked out to protect Barack’s personal info.
-The original date the copy of this certificate was issued to the campaign was in 2007. They requested a copy so it could be added to Barack’s extensive file of personal/professional info. The media and certain agencies did not bring up the question of his citizenship until 2008, when it was then released to the public.

And if all this isn’t enough information you can also view the original birth announcement posted by his parents in the Honolulu Advertiser, original date, Aug 13, 1961 which shows his parents announcing the birth of their son.

All of these facts can be easily verified by yourself or anyone else who questions my credibility on factcheck.org. They are a nonpartisan group that verifies info on all canidates and offers only facts.

-And as for his claims of dual citizenship: Mr. Corsi also distorted these facts when writing and publishing his book. He states that Barack’s father was a Kenyan Citizen at the time of his birth. Barack’s father was actually a British Subject, as Kenya did not gain it’s independence until Dec 12, 1963. Barack therefore obtained dual citizenship at the age of 3 and was allowed to retain that citizenship until Aug 4, 1982 when he turned 21. Kenyan law stated dual citizenship is to be allowed up to the age of 21.

4)Your thoughts that he is “uneducated” and “unintelligent” because he didn’t know what his church was about: When in actuality it’s regarding one man’s(Mr. Jeramiah Wright) point of view and how he went about it in regards to the followers of his church. Well if this argument is true, that shouldn’t all Roman Catholics consider themselves just as equally uneducated and unintelligent? They have all followed their church and it’s guidelines without question only to discover that the men put in charge to lead and guide them are pedophiles and liars? Isn’t the basis of religion to follow our church without judgment, even thru eras that we might find disappointing and we disagree with, as this is the whole premsis of “faith”?

5)Your issue with his level of experience: This answer comes all to easily.
Obama & Biden vs: McCain & Palin-who has more experience???

6)Your statment that the terrorists we’re fighting would like for Barack to become our next president. I’m not sure which fear based media outlets your obtaining your information from. But please give me some links or actual facts that back up this statement. If I verify this info and it proves correct, then I will gladly say so.

Proof-

Your statement of Obama did not oppose the war years ago for the reasons he states now. To Obama supporters like myself who have followed his career for the last 6 years this is does not come across as fact based or hold any merit. As you can tell by all of my previous posts, I deal only with facts. If you can link me to nonpartisan websites that will back your claim I will be happy to take a look. And as I stated to Ashley, if you can prove me wrong I will gladly say so.

BatOne-

You have come across in all of your posts as unkowledgable to the point of ignorance, and the only means of making your point is to get nasty and insult people. You made comments to Sparkle about not having “enlightenment or tolerance”. This is laughable when your comments state no actual fact or reasoning, just judgmental comments with no actual basis. And since you’ll definately disagree with my view let me give you just a few examples:

In Your Own Words:

“little leftist lemmings”
“your comments are tiresome prattle”
“stuff a basketball, handle a jackhammer, or a D-9 cat would have served you just as well.”

Contrary to what you might believe, this makes you come across as small minded, and biased. You should stick more to facts and you would have to rely less on insults.

And as for your comment to Sparkle about their level of “leisure” time in which to post comments, you hardly have room to talk. Need I point out you posted 5 comments over a 5 hour period? Maybe you should reevaluate the amount of time you have on your hands.

Likwidshoe-

To prove how very wrong you are that race isn’t an issue in this election let me make a very simple point:
-The issue of race has been brought up no less than 13 times since I brought it up originally. None of these comments were to make rational, valid points to disprove my comment. They were full of ignorant, degrading, and completey false accusations targeted at Barack and his supporters. Take note, the comments made by Barack’s supporters were fact based and were meant to lead to what should have been a healthy discussion.

So Honey...be ignorant all you’d like. It takes someone who isn’t afraid of irrelevant insults to state the major issue MOST McCain supporters have...Barack’s skin color.

To prove how very wrong you are that race isn’t an issue in this election...

I never claimed that.

That is quite a mistake for someone who claims to “deal only with facts”.

Take your opening salvo, for starters. You mentioned race seven times in that short comment. Of course race is an issue for some people. You showed us.

The issue of race has been brought up no less than 13 times since I brought it up originally.

Why did you bring it up? You came in here, assumed motives, and then harangued people based on your assumptions.

Not too smooth, Samantha.

Take note, the comments made by Barack’s supporters were fact based...

Ahh, except for that erroneous assertion given to me and the assumptions about everybody else.

So Honey...be ignorant all you’d like. It takes someone who isn’t afraid of irrelevant insults to state the major issue MOST McCain supporters have...Barack’s skin color.

And,...she crashes and burns.

You’ve shown a pattern of eschewing facts in favor of your own self serving assumptions.

Samantha… your ignorance is breath-taking!

So Honey...be ignorant all you’d like. It takes someone who isn’t afraid of irrelevant insults to state the major issue MOST McCain supporters have...Barack’s skin color.

I and many others oppose Barak Obama because of his numerous personal associations with radicals and revolutionaries - far too many to be coincidental - along with his blatantly elitist, socialist policies and his stupefying lack of experience.

You need to stop comforting yourself that the only reason for not supporting Obama is race.  That concept is childish and insulting to people’s intelligence.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

Likwidshoe-

What a shame that again you have come forth with no facts or reliable information to back your claims…

Try not resorting to using what I’m sure you consider “big words” to make your point and get down to the nitty gritty.

I await your “facts"…

Pparets-

My ignorance is breath-taking???

That is comical coming from someone, whom if had taken the time, would have understood I addressed your concerns of solialism and elitism in my previous posts.

Like I’ve said to the rest of the McCain supporters, I’m asking for verifiable facts provided to the general public from credible nonpartisan sources. If you can produce that I will glady take the time to verify the info you have posted. Also like I’ve stated numerous times before, I will gladly admit if anyone of you can produce a valid point.

I’m still waiting…

Trying to reason with the Sparkless one only feeds his narcissism. He says outrageously stupid things so that people will pay attention to him. Either that, or he really is outrageously stupid…

And like the other narcissist, rbb, posts equally outrageous pictures for the same reason.

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Likwidshoe-

One more note…

You did state that race was an issue in your first post in response to my statements. And I quote:

“The prototypical Obama supporter: race, race, race, change, race, change, something about children and grandchildren, race, “the last 8 years”, race.”

So one more time for clarification...you didn’t state that was an issue in this election??

Just checking…

Again, it’s all about the facts.

Your statement of Obama did not oppose the war years ago for the reasons he states now. To Obama supporters like myself who have followed his career for the last 6 years this is does not come across as fact based or hold any merit.

Samantha: The statement is not mine, it’s Steve Gilbert’s...hence his name following the statement!

You can read his article Why Obama Opposed Iraq War In 2002.

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Proof-

It’s astounding that you make the insinuation that I can’t or did not read your post thoroughly. I did and I’m well versed in Steve Gilbert and his diatribe on Obama’s view on the war.

Let’s review a couple statements taken directly from Mr. Gilbert’s page regarding Barack’s views/votes for the war. I would like you to tell me where the discrepancies in what Barack said 4 years ago as oppose to 4 weeks ago are at…

4 Years ago Barack said:

“Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.”

Presidenial Debate 2008:

“Now six years ago, I stood up and opposed this war at a time when it was politically risky to do so because I said that not only did we not know how much it was going to cost, what our exit strategy might be, how it would affect our relationships around the world, and whether our intelligence was sound, but also because we hadn’t finished the job in Afghanistan.
We hadn’t caught bin Laden. We hadn’t put al Qaeda to rest, and as a consequence, I thought that it was going to be a distraction.”

So tell me, where are the discrepancies?

Samantha - What a shame that again you have come forth with no facts or reliable information to back your claims…

Oh, you’re a live one!

My claims are that you came to this forum and brought up race while assuming things not in evidence about your audience. In addition to that, you attributed an erroneous assertion onto me.

Try not resorting to using what I’m sure you consider “big words” to make your point and get down to the nitty gritty.

Are these big words for you?

My goodness, Samantha. I get the idea that you’re trying to fit me into a neat little box, and I’m not going gently into that box you have created.

You did state that race was an issue in your first post in response to my statements. And I quote:

I sure did! Nice quote. It was almost a mirror of this comment. You may recognize it. I didn’t put in seven references to race as this comment did because it was starting to look a bit cartoony. Weird thing though, it is a real comment from an honest to goodness Obama supporter!

How about that?

So one more time for clarification...you didn’t state that was an issue in this election??

Just checking…

Again, it’s all about the facts.

Oh, Dear, I do believe that you have just spun yourself silly.

Adiós! I do hope that the words weren’t too big for you this time. But just in case, and this is just for you Samantha because you’re so nice and all, I left a link in the one word you may not know.

Likwidshoe-

No facts yet???

Still waiting…

Proof-

The Webster Dictionary definition

Nonpartisan: free from party affiliation, bias, or designation

Steve Gilbert along with Sweetness and Light are extremely biased and right winged. This is not stating a fact, it’s an opinion. So please stick to sources that do not print material based on their party affiliation.

It’s astounding that you make the insinuation that I can’t or did not read your post thoroughly.

You’re obviously easily astounded!
I could say that I was astounded that you would use the words “Your statement” to decribe a statement that clearly wasn’t, but I was merely mildly puzzled.

It is astounding the lengths some people will go to in generating faux outrage. Can faux astonishment be far behind?

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Nonpartisan: free from party affiliation, bias, or designation

So, I’m free to ignore any facts stated by Kos, Huff Po and DU, because they’re not non-partisan?
Sweet!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Proof-

Since you obviously amuse yourself with your attempts to discredit others when you have no valid point, let me help you once more…

I said your statement, not your quote. There is a definate definable difference in these two terms. But I’m sure you already knew that since you didn’t and have not posted Mr. Gilberts or Mr. Lovitz’s quotes correctly to begin with.

And as you insist on implying I cannot read correctly, let me make one more point. I never QUOTED Kos, Huff Po, or DU. I gave actual legitimate, verifiable facts from a nonpartisan group. If you took the time to read my posts correctly you would have known this. So try again.

And once more I will ask you, are you able to cease and disist with the completely irrelevant attempts to discredit me, and come forth with factual information? Doesn’t seem so since not one person has come back with anything other than childish insults that amount to nothing.

Maybe you can rise above this nonsense and be the first…

I just want to make sure I’m reading this all properly.  Samantha gave in depth and lengthy factual statements rebuting the statements made previously in this forum.  In response to that, she has gotten a bunch of childish insults.  She has repeatedly asked for factual statements which show she’s wrong.  She has recieved none.  How strong are you in your convictions that you can’t defend your point of view without petty ad hominum attacks? 

Proof-Do you understand the difference between fact and opinion?  We all enjoy quoting people who share our perspective.  However, that proves nothing other than that we admit to them being more intelligent or at least more eloquent than us.  Nothing wrong with that except for the fact that Samantha has asked for non-biased FACTS.  Linking a page to a paranoid right wing site about Obama supporting a radical black agenda or a gentleman who uses the art of misquoting and taking things out of context to (poorly) attempt to prove Obama has been a liar on his reasons for opposing the war are not facts.  A reliable source is a fairly simple concept you can learn about in high school while writing a simple term paper.  I’m sure you understand the concept.  I just question your ability to defend your views while sticking to reliable media sources.

The only concept a few of you have brought up with the slightest hint of merit is Obama’s associations.  Now, Samantha has accurately argued against these opinions so I see little need to repeat those arguments here.  However, if you’d like to discuss associations, I think that sounds fun.

To breifly rehash; your beefs are with Ayers and Wright.  Ayers commited his vile acts when Obama was a child and those acts have been repeatedly denounced by Obama and Ayers himself.  Obama’s relationship with Ayers extends no where besides a professional one, and a limited one at that.  My question regarding Wright is simple.  Are you required to agree with everything your reverend/priest/rabbi/etc says?  Are you to turn your back on a church your family has grown up with solely on the basis of one topic which really doesn’t have a whole lot to do with religion?  Most importantly, does an intelligent person and leader listen to the views of a large segment of the population in order to better understand them and help them or do they run from people who disagree with them with their tail between their legs?  Obama has repeatedly stated he disagrees with Wright’s views but is not foolish enough to ignore the opinions that are certainly not Wright’s alone. 

Now let’s talk about the associations no one seems to feel like speaking about, Mccain’s.  Jerry Falwell has said; “Gay folks would just as soon kill you as look at you.” “AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals, it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.” “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.’” Falwell has also made statements that Jews can’t go to heaven if they don’t accept Christ and that Mohammad was a terrorist.  I personally can’t think of a many more anti-American statement made recently than to say we deserved the 9-11 attacks.  The funny thing is, Mccain AGREED WITH ME ON THAT.  To quote Mccain in 2000, “Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan and Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right.” So when Mccain spoke at Falwell at his Liberty University and embraced the man on stage, how is that not pandering to an agent of intolerance?  Mccain has also given speeches with Pastor Hagee on a handful of occasions.  Hagee is a man who says; “All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are — were recipients of the judgment of God for that.” He has suggested Hitler obtained his views from Catholic school.  He has also said the religious views of the Jews caused the centuries of repression.  He stated that the Nazi’s were doing God’s work by driving the Jews from Europe.  This is man whose endorsement Mccain has actively sought and, once obtained, warmly accepted.  Which is worse?  Obama loosly associating himself with a former radical and attending religious services of a man he disagrees on some issues with?  Or Mccain actively seeking the support of men whom have made comments far more “un-American,” un-patriotic, and morally reprehensable than anything Wright has said?  Let’s add that Obama has denounced Ayers’ acts and Wright’s statements.  While Mccain has chastised politicians for pandering to religious extremists, and then reversing his views only 4 years later.  Which one leads more to the argument of guilt by association?  Which one shows more about the strength of a person’s ideals and convictions?  Some maverick…

Samantha and Adam are the same person.

Well, credit you for a response that actually adresses anything I said.  I assure you I’m a totally different person.  However, I’ll play your little game.  Let’s pretend for a second that we’re the same person.  Beyond the fact that there’s, umm, no point what so ever to one person posting as 2 different people, even if that were the case, would it matter?  You are still completely unable to respond to anything either of us said.  Is that really the best you can do?  At least the other responses attempted to address something in some manner.  That was just laughable.  Come on.  Actually say something next time.  Though I appreciate the laugh, try and make some semblance of a point

Likwidshoe-

Wow...you never cease to prove your ignorance. In the same respect, you never fail to prove how truly small minded you really are.

I am in fact not Adam. If you honestly do not believe me, then answer me this...explain to me exactly what I would gain from posting on this website while posing as someone other than who I truly am? Have I not previously, on numerous occasions proven to you that I am more than willing to debate the political issues at hand? I have not, nor will I ever need to create a false identity to state facts or to outright disprove someone’s false accusations as I have done with you.

I do appreciate Adam posting the facts he did on this website. It is a relief to hear from someone who not only holds strongly to their beliefs but is willing to take the time to verify the info that they are posting. If I agree with them or not, this is all I ever asked of you or anyone else on this site.

As I have said before to you and everyone else I have corresponded with, to verify any facts takes but a few moments. Which is why it only lends more credibility to my statements, and Adam’s as well. If you truly had a point, why haven’t you done the same?

Samantha/Adam - your writing style is similar. You both have never commented at this site before. You both show up within two days of each other, parroting each others points.

To top it off, you both share the same IP. The IP is not an AOL proxy or any other proxy. Now, it is possible that you have some open wireless point and, lo and behold, your neighbor picked it up and somehow finds this site and talks so much like you that it is indistinguishable. It is also possible that Adam is your brother, roommate, husband or friend. Not to be outdone, you could even be sitting side by side in a library somewhere sharing a connection.

But let’s cut the shit Samantha, you are Adam. The reason for the sockpuppetry is quite obvious.

The next time you decide to engage in sockpuppet behavior, it would behoove you to change up your writing style up along with your IP. I knew what you were doing as soon as I saw “Adam’s” comment. It was just too obvious. Finding out that it was coming from the same IP was no surprise at all. It would also behoove you to try this shit at a place that doesn’t watch out for this sort of thing.

Samantha/Adam - you were too obvious. You’re busted.

The regulars here at this site know that I watch out and alert them to this kind of behavior. To a lot of their eyes, you are now little more than a dishonest sockpuppeter.

Enjoy your lot.

Your investigative work is astounding.  Ok.  That’s not true actually.  Neither of us made any attempt to decieve anyone.  It’s awfully simple (as you proved) to look up the IP of the posts.  And changing my writing style to look different from what she was writing would just be dishonesty.  I have made no attempt to be sneaky.  Should I have started my initial post with a short bio so you knew something about me?  What’s astounding is that you took the time to look that up and yet haven’t taken the time to research a single thing which actually supports your ideals. 

Congrats big guy.  We do in fact know each other and are posting from the same computer.  And what does that change?  Last I checked, two people who have similar beliefs and manners of speaking are close friends.  How do 2 people with similar writing styles and views both making arguments discredit anything either of us have said?  So what is this “sockpuppetry” bs?  Are two people not allowed to post on the same site?  Early in the conversation, it was Samantha debating a handful of people.  So I simply decided to even the numbers a little bit.  Despite the fact none of you could discount anything she said…

So let’s go back to the point.  The last ELEVEN posts either of us have made have asked for facts that refute anything either of us have said.  You haven’t been able to do that once.  Not once.  You keep attempting to change the subject with these meaningless topics.  So since you don’t want to address a single point of actual merit to the discussion of Obama, let’s do something different.  Let’s discuss you.  I’m gonna attempt to shift this discussion to a level you might be capable of dealing with.  I am left with a small handful of conclusions.  I’d like you to tell me which of them is the truth cause I’m at a loss with you.

1.  You’re just someone who likes to argue no matter what it’s about.  You like to pick fights from the safety of your home.  You only care about getting in a argument and making yourself feel like a tough guy by attempting (poorly) to make people look stupid.

2.  You are a legit Mccain supporter but either are unsure of the reasons why or aren’t honest about those reasons.  You blindly puppet (now there’s an appropriate use of the word) what Hannity/O’Reilly/Limbaugh/Drudge/Coutler/etc tell you without ever taking the time to attempt to think for yourself.  So when confronted with someone intelligently debating you, you resort to attacking them personally rather than the merits of their argument (I’m betting you’re a big fan of O’Reilly and Coulter.  Seems like you went to their school of debate.) Or you’re being dishonest about your issues with Obama, and Samantha is in fact right.  You’re nothing but a racist scared loser who is terrified of a black man running this country.  Probably thinking he’s a Muslim, terrorist, communist black man.

3.  You’re just that ignorant and childish.  You really think that when someone, for example, says “The point you made is false because of the following evidence...” you really think an effective retort to that is to go, “You’re stupid.  Dumb dumb dumby.  You’re such an idiot.”

I’m personally quite torn.  I firmly believe that you do get off by trying in vain to argue with people.  I also am pretty confidant that you can’t argue against our actualy points about Obama because your convictions aren’t very strong.  It’s also hard to deny you think personal attacks somehow mean you can ignore the actual topic.  In order to make this simpler for you in case all this reading has made your head hurt, you can simply fill out this simple form

Likwidshoe is:

A.  A child who likes to fight no matter what.

B.  A blind listener of right ring rhetoric who does no thinking on his own.

C.  A bigot who wets the bed thinking about a black man in charge of this county.

D.  Just a moron.  Plain and simple.

E.  All of the above.

Lidwidshoe-

Congrats on posting your first fact!!!

Doesn’t it sting that you were still wrong though?...yet again. Neither one of us ever denied knowing each other. We simply stated we are in FACT two different people.

What a shame you can’t or won’t put half the effort that took into researching and posting some facts that actually address the issues at hand that you claim to be so passionate about.

I would say I’m still awaiting any factual information you can provide, but that seems foolish at this point. You’ve proven the only style of writing you’re good at is posting completely childish insults that only increase your feelings of self worth.

Oh, goodness. The display above is sad.

The only facts I brought into this conversation was that Samantha came in and brought up race seven times (comment one) and that she attributed to me a false statement (comment two). After Samantha denied the facts while ironically asking for “facts or reliable information”, the situation was restated (comment three). Comment four was that Samantha and Adam are the same person and comment five was the explanation.

All throughout this time, Samantha/Adam proceeded to insult numerous times while claiming that their behavior was mine. But looking at my five comments, one would be hard pressed to see the insults. A bit of mocking, sure. Samantha was referred to as “a live one”, meaning that she’s verbosely here with energy. She/he was also referred to as a “dishonest sockpuppeter”.

To that, Samantha/Adam thought it would be prudent to insult me numerous times with “Adam” going full bore with the racist innuendo.

Classy.

The projection about insults was funny for a moment, but it’s now is just a bore. The insistence that I answer Samantha/Adam’s inane line of questioning is tiring and more than a bit obnoxious.

About the subject of the post, “Barack Obama Pays Under $1,000,000 Each For Two Prime-Time, Half Hour Ads”, I had nothing to say about as the above record shows. I only commented on Samantha’s behavior, which apparently was too much for her to take; hence why she denied what I had to say and instead insisted on changing the subject.

Here are a couple of FACTS that she/he can chew on for awhile: Obama facilitates campaign donation fraud as well as endorses that fraud through manipulative action.

And with that, I’m out. Samantha/Adam, whether one dishonest sockpuppeter or two separate people, are a waste of time. She/he/whatever are not here for an honest conversation. Samantha/Adam apparently want to talk badly with me, but I not them.

Proof-Do you understand the difference between fact and opinion?

Yes. I also understand the difference between “smug” and “condescending”. You seem to be both! And verbose. And somewhat boring! And as lik has pointed out, obnoxious and tiring. Do forgive us if we do not meet your high expectations.

If I thought that any of your questions were honest inquiries, I might be tempted to try to sort out the spaghetti maze of distortions and half truths you put forward as facts. But, I don’t quite feel like spitting in the wind tonight. So goodnight, Adamantha. Have a nice life!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Lik, if you don’t see the insults in every single post you made, I truly pity those that have to deal with you in real life.  Your anger is what’s sad.  However, you’ve also shown that, while you don’t ever hesitate to dish it out, you don’t seem to be able to take it when someone hands it back to you. 

I’ve asked why it’s wrong for 2 people who know each other to post on the same forum.  You couldn’t say what was wrong with it yet still insist on repeating the same tired attack.  You have proven yourself incapable of engaging in an honest debate.  You attempt to justify this by only limiting the discussion to topics you feel you’re capable of discussing.  Followed by ignoring it when people argue against your points.  I’m sorry debating outside of your comfort zone is so difficult for you. 

Proof-way to think for yourself and just repeat the same lame comments Likwid posted. 

I attempted to enter this conversation to have a legitimite debate and neither of you have been able to do that.  I no longer wish to debate with those who are unable.  I no longer wish to bring up valid points, to only have them ignored and be attacked personally.  It’s true I did this back to you and that was certainly not a part of debating legitimitly.  However, you’ve proven you’re incapable of an honest discussion.  I wish you the best and hope one day you get a clue.  I’m off to get ready to celebrate 4 (hopefully 8) years of an Obama presidency.  I hope once that’s said and done, you see how much better he will have made this country.  Though I imagine you will never ever really understand.

Adam-Samantha is just another punk-ass kid who’s been indoctrinated all her life by Marxist-gov-mint-school, union teachers.

Her shallow observations, incongruous analogies, and ignorant condescension betray a total absence of critical thinking skills as well as a blind bewilderment with regard to current events.

Consequently, misrepresentation of facts and distortion of motives are the preferred modes of her discourse.

When dolts like her engage an opponent it is rarely to examine and refute the argument but rather to destroy the bearer of the argument and remove him from the plain of battle.

It is not for nothing that George Orwell had to invent terms like “double-think” and “double-speak” to describe the universe that these Marxists totalitarians have created.

Samatha-Adam reminds me of a college freshman who has just read the first chapter of her Econ 101 book and now believes she’s an expert on the economy......or the teenager who takes his first martial arts class and afterward thinks he’s Bruce Lee.

Lik, Proof, & AkaJoel-

Let’s get a few FACTS straight yet once again:

-I am not Adam.

-We are in FACT not “college freshman who has just read the first chapter of her Econ 101 book and now believes she’s an expert on the economy......or the teenager who takes his first martial arts class and afterward thinks he’s Bruce Lee.” -AkaJoel

We are both in all reality two different people.

And we are in FACT two full grown adults, long since removed from our teenage years or the college environment.

You have ALL proven that you at no point have come to this site in hopes of carrying on a intellegent debate, but to post comments that do nothing other than insult those who do attempt to state their point of view. And let’s not look past the very important FACT that the only people you engage in these lengthy attacks on are people who have points with merit. 

Yet once again, let me show you how very ignorant you are. And how readily you will post LIES in the attempt to distract others from the real issues and to boost your feelings of credibility and self worth:

Likwidshoe here are a few of your finer quotes:
“Samantha/Adam, whether one dishonest sockpuppeter or two separate people, are a waste of time.”
“But let’s cut the shit Samantha, you are Adam. The reason for the sockpuppetry is quite obvious.”
“The prototypical Obama supporter: race, race, race, change, race, change, something about children and grandchildren, race, “the last 8 years”, race.”

Proof now it’s your turn:

“And like the other narcissist, rbb, posts equally outrageous pictures for the same reason.”
“If I thought that any of your questions were honest inquiries, I might be tempted to try to sort out the spaghetti maze of distortions and half truths you put forward as facts. But, I don’t quite feel like spitting in the wind tonight.”

And last but not least AkaJoel:

“When you show a willingness to adjust your position based on the real facts: rather than persisting in repeating damaging lies that prove your poor judgment.”
“Samantha is just another punk-ass kid who’s been indoctrinated all her life by Marxist-gov-mint-school, union teachers.”
“Her shallow observations, incongruous analogies, and ignorant condescension betray a total absence of critical thinking skills as well as a blind bewilderment with regard to current events.”

I only repost this vile to make the point that anyone who takes the time to review our posts will acklowledge that you did in FACT throw insults with no provocation and continually attempted to distract others (and yourselves I’m sure) from the issues we brought up and we asked on numerous occasions to have disproved.

What a shame that what could have been a very educational debate for everyone involved turned out to be nothing more than a pissing match. When ignorance and small minded behavior overpower the ability to discuss and learn from others’ it is a sad day.

I will leave you to your endless attacks and never wavering ability to insult rather than discuss. I only hope at some point you gain enough common sense to start using the brain God gave you for actual independent thinking as oppose to purely parroting views you have never even taken the time to research. 

Good Day Gentlemen.