In your world, the private sector should build the rockets, not the bloated, inefficient government! Why the hypocrisy now?

Boeing, Brown Teledyne, Axysis Systems and the rest of the NASA contractors aren’t private sector? Who knew! I guess they didn’t grease the right Democrat palms! Hope, change and pay to play! The Chicago way!

Oh yeah, and Alabama is rountinely in the top 10 recipients of federal tax dollars, receiving about $1.30 for every dollar paid!! Oregon is rountinely in the bottom 15, getting around 80 cents back for every dollar spent.

You mean Federal Tax dollars like military pay, payments to contractors and the like? That’s how they come up with those numbers. Its like I’ve told you before, we give valuable services for our money. Where are your rockets, missiles and services render to Uncle Sam for your money? Make me a nice list. I’d like to see it. Only to a Democrat would working for a living be considered “welfare” while piling money down a hole like real welfare be considered prudent. If you did something useful for a change maybe you wouldn’t have 12% unemployment and only receive 80% of your tax money back!

73,000 Aerospace jobs and $6.9 Billion in funds…Perhaps this is why we receive $1.30 in “federal dollars”.

Saying you worked for it, blah blah blah doesn’t change the fact of where it came from. If you southern cons are so smart and independent, why not give up that money and make it on your own?

I really don’t know what to say. I guess we could convert the rocket plants to car plants. They are building those here too. I guess we could let Kruppt Steel take them over too or maybe Briggs and Statton that’s expanding its Auburn, AL plant. I think we would do quite well. After all, our unemployment is 3% lower than yours.

Another moment of small-minded pettiness from the destructive, bitter sore losers.

We were trained by the best! You! Thanks!

Besides, the increased revenue was largely BORROWED.

Show me that one. I’d love to see it.

They were introduced by Mr. Teleprompter.

You people are so easy to beat!

The only thing you beat is your gums. I’m sorry if NASA had to come to the third world to build and design rockets. Its not like its a gift like the stimulus. We actually have to deliver the rockets and Space Telescopes. They would have had to pay someone and why not pay the people at the Marshall Space Flight Center. If Oregon was so great why aren’t they building it there.

The George C. Marshall Space Flight Center (MSFC), the original home of NASA, is a lead center for propulsion, Space Shuttle propulsion, Space Shuttle external tank, crew training and payloads, International Space Station (ISS) design and construction, for computers, networks, and information management. Located on the Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama, MSFC is named in honor of General George Marshall.

The center also contains the Huntsville Operations Support Center (HOSC) that is a facility that supports Space Shuttle launch, payload and experiment activities at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida, ISS launch and experiment operations. The HOSC also monitors rocket launches from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station when a Marshall Center payload is on board.

MSFC arose from the US Army Ballistic Missile Agency (ABMA) and the Army Ordnance Missile Command (AOMC) centered at Redstone Arsenal. Initially housed at Fort Bliss, TX, the team led by Wernher von Braun was later transferred to Redstone Arsenal. The transition from military to civilian space exploration came when President Dwight D. Eisenhower announced on site the formation of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) on July 1, 1960. At this time Marshall also received its name and a bronze bust of the general from the President. The center became the civilian base for Dr. von Braun, his team of German rocket scientists and a large host of military and civilian contractors.

Why did they move?

Early on, the Huntsville team developed the Redstone rocket, also known as “Old Reliable” because of its many diverse missions. The Redstone was a high-accuracy, liquid-propelled, surface-to-surface missile. The Von Braun team loped and launched the first Redstone missile in August 1953.

There you go, no rags, just riches the Huntsville team developed the Redstone Rocket. It became the Jupiter C. It launched the first American Satellite into space. We’ve given a good return to the trillions spent in Alabama. Not bad for a bunch of third world rednecks. Enjoy your 12% unemployment and deficits Dino.

HA HA HA! You know copy me laughing at you isn’t very original. Of course, you aren’t the most original guy on SAB.

Following are a few fast facts about Alabama’s dynamic aerospace industry:

* Alabama’s Marshall Space Flight Center received $2.5 Billion in FY 2007 representing 15.3% of NASA’s total budget
* Alabama ranks 12th nationally for Department of Defense Prime Contracts, totaling more than $6.9 Billion in FY 2006.
* The aerospace industry has created over 73,000 direct jobs in Alabama.
* Annual payroll for Alabama’s aerospace jobs is over $3.0 billion.
* GKN Aerospace will add 250 jobs by 2007 and is investing $21 million to expand its Tallassee, Alabama facility.
* In 2005, EADS North America announced it would build a $600 million aircraft engineering center and future production facility for the KC-330 aerial refueling tankers in Mobile.
* In 2003, Boeing announced a $40 million expansion to its $450 million facility in Decatur to consolidate all Delta IV production to Alabama.
* Lockheed-Martin expanded its Troy, Alabama facilities in 2004 adding 120 new jobs and investing $19 million.

Me thinks you need to get the plank out of your own state eye before you start on someone else’s state.

Auto Plants in Alabama

Mercedes-Benz U.S. International
Location: Tuscaloosa County, Alabama
Capital Investment: Over $1 billion
Team Members: More than 4,000 team members
Production Capacity: 174,000 vehicles annually
Plant size: More than 3 million square feet
Suppliers: 35 auto-related suppliers in Alabama
Products: M-Class SUV, R-Class Grand Sports Tourer, and all new GL-Class luxury SUV

Honda Manufacturing of Alabama
Capital Investment: $1.27 billion
Associates: 4,500 associates
Production Capacity: 300,000 vehicles and engines annually
Plant size: 3.25 million square feet
Suppliers: 25 Tier 1 auto-related suppliers in Alabama
Products: Odyssey minivan, Pilot SUV and V6 engines
Hyundai Motor Manufacturing
Capital Investment: $1.4 billion
Team Members: 3,000 team members
Production Capacity: 300,000 engines and vehicles annually (at full production)
Plant Size: 2 million square feet
Suppliers: 34 suppliers in Alabama
Products: Sonata sedan and Santa Fe SUV and V6 engines

Dedicated engine plants in the state include:

Navistar Diesel of Alabama (produces V-6 and V-8 diesel engines along with the MaxxForce 11 and MaxxForce 13 big-bore diesel engines designed for the International Class 8 series.)

Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Alabama, Inc. (produces V-8 engines for its Tundra pickup truck and Sequoia SUV and V-6 engines for the Tacoma and Tundra pickup trucks.)

3 auto plants, 2 engine plants and 94 supply plants in Alabama. Maybe that’s why our unemployment is 3 points lower than yours?

To the good people of Oregon, I apologize for lumping you in with the Dinosour. Most of the people in your state are fine people and are high class. Dino must be your state idiot, he’s too stupid to be a mere village idiot.

You’re simply making my point for me. Your state, a state full of anti-tax, anti-government conservatives, has it’s mouth firmly locked on the tit of government. If that makes your point about how bad government spending is, I don’t see it.

Again, we build product and provide service for the money. Who is anti-tax? What I am against is huge taxation. Say for instance I lived in Cali. I would pay 25% income tax, 15% SS tax, and 9.55% state income tax and some 8.75% sales tax, property tax and God knows what other fee’s they come up with. That would be 58% of my income to government not counting the property tax. After paying 58% of my income to the government I get to be told that I’m selfish, rich and a stem and that my taxes are not enough. Can you see why I want a limited government? No, of course not, somehow this is still not enough. I need to pay all of it or just get a penitence to live on. Government teat my ass.

As for the Alabama space telescope connections: That’s a direct result of that government socialism you hate! In the 50s after Von Braun, the Nazi, relocated to (where else?) Alabama, the federal government, with the prodding of some powerful federal legislators, spent tons of money creating the space program in Huntsville and around the state. The brains weren’t there, they were IMPORTED!

Actually they went to Fort Bliss Texas first but when have you ever let facts get in your way. While its true that the Germans came over after WWII much of the talent is homegrown now. I can assure there are no “Germans” from WWII working at Axsys Technologies, Inc making the mirror for the telescope. The Delta IV Rocket plant in Decatur is all home grown Alabama talent. Brown Teledyne, Boeing, McDonald Douglas and all the rest of the Defense Industry plants hire many of their engineers from The University of Alabama in Huntsville. Swing and a miss there Dino. Again, don’t you get tired of being wrong?

The most successful aspect of your state is due to MASSIVE government investment. That means they took TRILLIONS in tax money from the rest of us over the decades to pump into your state.

They pay us to work, we do. We make successful systems so they keep coming back. Think of it a business, we give them a good return on their investment and have since 1953. If you want the money, get Oregon off its ass and go get it. Build and design rockets cheaper or more efficiently than the third world rednecks. Come on, you can do it! You supposed to be superior, right.

HA HA HA!

Contrast that to Oregon which receives little federal investment.

What a crock!

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2009/02/legislators_make_plans_to_stre.html

You are getting 6 billion in direct funds from the “stimulus” and what’s the brilliant Oregon plan for it?
Are they going to keep schools open? NO!

About $700 million of Oregon’s share is supposed to go to schools, but lawmakers are allocating $51 million — less than 10 percent — for classrooms

You got 700 million for schools and only spent $51 million in the class room! Brilliant!

Do you ever get tired of spouting the same irrelevant crap. How can you be better at us in debt? We have ZERO, you have 4.5 Billion. Great math skills! As to the rest, if you take Lower Alabama out of the equation, Alabama fares favorably with every other portion of the US. The funny thing is, the poorest portions of the state are the ones most likely to vote for the Dims. It seems to me that some people never learn. Enjoy your 12.1% unemployment and debt Dino! Feel free not to come to my shit hole. I sure you’ll be happy and I know the good people of Alabama will be happy. When the new space telescope is launch, know that we built it here in my third world hometown where we can do math and know that 0 < 4.5 Billion. HA HA HA HA HA HA !

I made Dino mad, he resorted to the shit hole slur! Good work for a Thursday!

Correction, the US unemployment rate is for June in that chart, the others are for May. My mistake. Sorry Kenny.

If Dumbama told me he was lying I wouldn’t believe him.

You lost brother. Greg KOed you. Face it. You went to the well one to many times with the garbage and he stamped you out.
You always imply that we are anti government, racist, etc…
We want limited government. We acknowledge the need for a government to have a military or space program. At least I do. Keep your paws off the economy.
I noticed you never answer anything. You beat around the bush and then fire back with the names and insults.
My day was made today because Greg KOed you and when you tried to get off the mat, Goon stamped you out.
As Greg would say: HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Greg 1
Goon 1
Dino 0

Thank you good sir! I admit I’ve had fun today.

I have no idea who the governor of Oregon is… nor do I care, but I know Bob and Patsy Riley, and I know the heat he took during his first term in office when his first priority was to get the state of Alabama’s finances in order.

I am very glad we have them too! He has been a good man and a good Governor. I wish I knew them personally.

I still haven’t heard an answer from you about who has sat in the Oregon statehouse the last 25 years? Not a conservative I can promise you.

Don’t hold your breath, Dino doesn’t answer questions. He’ll just show up sooner or later and call you stem. If you’ve really pissed him off he’ll call you shit stain. If you try hard enough he’ll tell you live in a shit hole. Even if you live in Oregon next door to him!

Enjoy the fruits of 30 years of bad conservative fiscal policy.

Were the tax hikes the conservative policy? Or the tax cuts? The increased military spending? Or the decrease?

Moron.

dinorob, you have yet to site one source, but you still say this as though its true.

He cites opinion pieces by liberal authors. He’s too stupid, too dishonest, or both, to address the fact that both parties had influence over the last 10 years. Let alone 30.

Ignore the troll.

Enjoy the fruits of 30 years of bad conservative fiscal policy.

dinorob, you have yet to site one source, but you still say this as though its true.

Maybe you people consider it a triumph to see your retirement accounts decimated and your home values shrink!

Obama and the Dem social engineers are responsible for that. You have never been able to name even one conservative economic policy, using cause and effect reasoning, that has ever caused any decline in prosperity. Fiscal conservatism is the only way to create economic growth, which pays for everything.

Really? I only post opinions of liberals? I’ve posted this before:

Lee Edwards is widely regarded as the chief historian of the American conservative movement. He has published more than 15 books about the leading individuals and institutions of American conservatism, including biographies of Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater and a history of The Heritage Foundation.

From a review of his book, The Conservative Revolution: The Movement That Remade America

An unabashedly ideological political history by a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation. You would think that only people living under rocks for the last 20 years would be surprised to learn of conservative strength in recent American politics and that this success obviates the need for paranoia about liberal influence, but Edwards (Goldwater: The Man Who Made a Revolution, 1995, etc.) disagrees. In his view, liberal biases have prevented recognition of the triumph of conservatism, and he is out to set the record straight.

Triumph of conservatism? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Maybe you people consider it a triumph to see your retirement accounts decimated and your home values shrink!

Here’s some more of the “historian of the conservative movement’s” writings from 2003, before the movement had turned everything to SHIT:

The transforming power of modern American conservatism over the last 50 years has been unmistakable. In the late 1940s, we seemed to be headed for a socialist world in which Marxism-Leninism could only be contained, not defeated. In the 1990s, we celebrated the collapse of Soviet communism and the adoption of liberal democracy and free markets around the world because of the leadership of charismatic conservatives like Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher.

The impacts of modern conservatism in America have been equally profound. There is renewed public skepticism about Big Government, a “leave us alone” attitude that stretches back as far as the Founding of the Republic. Because of conservative initiatives like welfare reform, several of the nation’s leading cultural indicators, such as violent crime, teenage births, and the child poverty rate, have declined. And in the wake of 9/11, a prudential internationalism has evolved, based on this principle: Act multilaterally when possible and unilaterally when necessary.

The liberal historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr. wrote in 1947 that “there seems no inherent obstacle to the gradual advance of socialism in the United States through a series of New Deals.” Five-and-a-half de-cades later, the conservative columnist George Will wrote that we had experienced “the intellectual collapse of socialism” in America and around the world.

The one political constant throughout those 50 years has been the rise of the Right, whose Long March to national power and prominence was often interrupted by the death of its leaders, calamitous defeats at the polls, frequent feuding within its ranks over means and ends, and the perennial hostility of the prevailing liberal establishment. But through the power of its ideas–ever linked by the priceless principle of ordered liberty–and the unceasing dissemination and application of those ideas, the conservative movement has become a major, and often the dominant, player in the political and economic realms of America.

Stop running from your failures. You’ll never escape the stench of conservatism.

Here’s some more of Edwards’ recent writings:

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n 2001, the Bush Administration, working with a Republican Congress, enacted a monumental tax cut of $1.6 trillion–the largest in U.S. history–which kept the economy humming until the financial collapse of 2008.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Yes, those tax cuts worked great “until the financial collapse.”

LOL!

Enjoy your delayed retirements, your shrinking nest eggs and watching your children and grandchildren struggle!

An economic policy can’t really be considered a success when it fails so miserably, now can it? Well, perhaps to a stem.

Revenues ALWAYS increase in a growing economy even if you do NOTHING. Besides, the increased revenue was largely BORROWED.

Your state has budget problems. Perhaps not California-sized problems but that’s like comparing Monaco to Mozambique. One was always a livable place with a higher standard of living, the other a third world shithole. It’s not hard to maintain one’s status as a thrid world shithole.

Alabama’s Gov. Riley announces state budget cuts

Looks like your state is about to cement it’s position at the bottom of the barrel (along with the rest of the republican south) by cutting back even further on spending.

Enjoy going from third world to no-world status.

Your states woes kind of contradict it being in great fiscal shape, doesn’t it? Why do they have problems at all? I thought republican states were so efficiently run?

Oh, Look! Tribal-minded Dino It-Takes-A-Village-To-Rape-A-Taxpayer wishes misery on his enemies… probably has a hut full of vood-doo dolls.

You liberals are all alike… there’s no problem you can’t throw money at – other people’s money – and the more the better. Asshole losers.

The federal deficit will leave YOUR children hungry… oh, wait… you can’t have any.

Parasite STD.

We raised taxes in Oregon and will continue to raise them rather than suffer third world status like Alabama.

In our darkest times we’re still light years more livable and humane than a southern shithole state.

To set the record straight, Oregon’s legislature was run by republicans from 90-06 mirroring the rest of the country which is why we’re so fucked up. Those miscreants fought efforts to set up a rainy day fund, preferring to send the money back to taxpayers. Look up “kicker checks in Oregon”. They also gave away the farm to corporate interests and made tax policy changes similar to California that fucked up over.

Here in the west it is easier for special interests to put things on the ballots that benefit the few over the many but the many are too stupid to see that due to how the measures are promoted by the monied interests. You in the east don’t have the mechanisms to legislate by ignorant mob.

Now that we ejected the republicans, Oregon, like the rest of the country can begin the long job of repairing the damage done by those vile subhuman shitstains.

Swish,

As much as I hate interfering with yet another of your tiresome, witless, hate-filled, thread-jacking rants, I’d like to get back to the real subject of this thread for a moment – Obama’s extraordinary lack of memory where his own past is concerned, and the fascinating question raised by Anna about the phantom radical terrorist, William Ayers.

There has been much speculation about the real role that terrorist bomber Ayers played in Obama’s early life, and Obama and his lemmings have gone to great lengths to cover his tracks where his history and the Ayers-Obama relationship are concerned.

When and where Barack Obama met his wife to be, Michelle, is the sort of fluff one expects of Vanity Fair or Barbara Walters. But when and where he met Ayers, and the influences that his friendship with Ayers has had over the years, that is significant.

For those of us who actually pay attention to what we read, and care about words and how they are used, there is a pretty compelling case to be made for the notion that Obama’s opus, Dreams From My Father, and the follow-up The Audacity of Hope were both at least co-written by Bill Ayers.

My own view is that Obama and Ayers first met during Obama’s first year at Columbia (his junior year). Ayers was working on the first of his 2 Masters degrees at Bank Street College, a scant 3 blocks from the sprawling Columbia University Morningside campus. Coincidentally, according to Ayers’ CV, his second Masters, and his Ed.D. were from Columbia itself. Ayers, involved in the spate of anti-war violence and bombings as head of the Weather Underground and recently freed on a legal technicality, would have been a rock star among the radicals at Columbia. It seems almost ludicrous that Ayers and Obama, already a far-left, anti-war zealot, would not have met with both of them spending several years within the same three or four block radius. Ayers would doubtlessly be holding court, with flyers posted all around campus. And Obama would have undoubtedly seen the flyers and made Ayers acquaintance.

And while very little is known of Obama’s time at Columbia, the NYT has dug up an article written by the young Obama (?) for the Sundial campus newspaper entitled “Breaking The War Mentality,” extolling the virtues of 2 local radical anti-war/anti-military groups on campus (here).

Was Ayers the reason Obama chose to move to Chicago? Was Ayers’ father, the influential Thomas G. Ayers, instrumental in establishing Obama, including his summer employment at Sidley, where he actually met Michelle who was his first supervisor. Did the senior Mr. Ayers guide Obama’s early career from the sidelines as he did that of Bernadine Dohrn?

We have answers to none of these questions. But they are certainly more pertinent than when Obama and Michelle met.

Oregon has turned into a joke Dino. When was the last time a Republican Gov. sat in Salem? Honestly. If I remember right, at least 20-25 years ago.
DeFazio? Pure politician. Wyden? Gore acolyte. Smith? Potential but became a liberal and was voted out.
Portland is a cool city to do things in, but the left has poisoned it with all the green regulations.
Eugene is a drugged out mess.
Southern Oregon used to be the timber capital of the world and then the libs came in to protect the owls and now look at it.
California is on the brink and they’re all moving to Oregon where they’ll destroy that state.
Oregon is lost. It’s a shell of its greatness.

Oh the kicker check? Why should we celebrate our own money coming back to us. Oregon is massively over taxed and you know it.

I hate to say it because it is so beautiful, but Oregon will be another California at some point. Liberalism fails time and again.

Third world countries all share a common characteristic: Leftie govt control of business and the population. When the govt owns/controls everything, the actual tax rate is 100%.
In order to create self-sustaining wealth, fiscal conservatism is essential.

Oregon unemployment is 12.4 percent. Close to 3% above the national average of 9.4%. It’s the second highest in the nation, coming in only behind Michigan.

By contrast, Alabama is only at 9.6%. Still high, but way below Oregon.

Yea, let’s follow Oregon. Eye roll.

Sorry, I meant 9.5%.

Correction, the US unemployment rate is for June in that chart, the others are for May. My mistake. Sorry Kenny.

It’s ok, I couldn’t find the June numbers and used the May numbers.

How many Republican Govs has Oregon had in the last 25 years Dino? How many real conservatives in the State Senate? I said conservatives, not tree hugging wanna be Republicans.
Kicker checks? That’s the people’s money already, not the over taxed state of Oregon.
No, I don’t just think Portland, I also think Eugene. I’m sure you know what I’m talking about. The two largest population centers voting the rest of the state into oblivion.
From timber harvest capital of the world to a state on the verge of emulating California. That’s where they’re all moving to now and in the process they’ll drive up home and property prices and push all the people you say you care about (the little people) right over the border.
Oregon is failing like the rest of the west coast due to the far left over regulating and over taxing everything in sight.
Again, how many GOP Gov’s in the last 25 years? Be careful with that one. I grew up in that state. I’ve lived in San Francisco. Beautiful and fun, yes, but seriously decaying from liberalism.

Greg in Alabama,
That was friggin awesome.
Are you hiring in Alabama? I want to move there.
That was hilarious. I love it.

Octopus, if you can get a job with NASA you’re in. If not you may end up in “lower Alabama”.

Oregon unemployment is 12.4 percent. Close to 3% above the national average of 9.4%. It’s the second highest in the nation, coming in only behind Michigan.

By contrast, Alabama is only at 9.6%. Still high, but way below Oregon.

Yea, let’s follow Oregon. Eye roll

Oregon and Michigan are being run into the ground by what party? The Dumbocrats.

Dino,
I still haven’t heard an answer from you about who has sat in the Oregon statehouse the last 25 years? Not a conservative I can promise you.

Alabama is fine example of a state the works their butt off to make it.

There are a lot of good people in Oregon, but not that percentage of tree hugging, anti gun, anti hunting, anti oil, anti everything lefties.

I want to know why it is if you want our country to fail you’re even defending Oregon? I thought you wanted to go to see your friends in Red China or Libya.

You lost brother. Greg KOed you. Face it. You went to the well one to many times with the garbage and he stamped you out.
You always imply that we are anti government, racist, etc…
We want limited government. We acknowledge the need for a government to have a military or space program. At least I do. Keep your paws off the economy.
I noticed you never answer anything. You beat around the bush and then fire back with the names and insults.
My day was made today because Greg KOed you and when you tried to get off the mat, Goon stamped you out.
As Greg would say: HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Greg 1
Goon 1
Dino 0

Well where’s all the stems to regale me with stories of Alabama’s rags-to-riches space program story funded by trllions of federal tax dollars?

Sockpuppet Dino, the reason Alabama is successful is that they don’t have a bunch of bumbling dems screwing up their state. Plain and simple. Why do you think the auto companies that are in the south are so successful non-union and in conseravtive states.

Dino,

Was the state leg. in Oregon conservative or libe…err…I mean moderate Republicans? Be honest now. You know and I know that just because an R is by your name in Oregon doesn’t make you a conservative.

Dude, I think it’s time you wave the white flag. You’re playing the role of punching bag with Greg and Goon being the Tyson and Holyfield.

So you’re saying Oregon didn’t get any stimulus money huh? Oregon never gets federal handouts? Are you sure about that?
Did you know that Govs were forced to take stimulus money?

The federal government has an obligation to protect us and if protecting us means to build weapons, space vehicles, airplanes, or whatever then it needs to do that. I don’t mind taxes that go to defense or roads, but not to studying rat poop, false science like global warming, and to buy off your friends in Hamas. Giving money to things like the Big Dig, to rescue California, and to cover up Frank’s housing crisis are not what the founders had in mind.

Alabama is an example of a state doing it the right way. They’re not perfect, but at least they aren’t being absorbed by California and they’re not on the verge of bankruptcy. Face it, unless conservatives take power again, the west coast will continue to be a leech.

National defense is one of the few legitimate reasons for the govt to spend our money.

I still want to know about “trillions”. Trillions spent in Alabama. Are the streets gold there?

You’ve beaten him Greg. I know there isn’t really trillions, I just wanted to call him out on his tall tales. All the little four letter words are going to be coming soon from Dino. The stale act just got a little more tired. You schooled him today and I for one think it is hilarious. I love how you sat the bait for him. You made it look easy.

You’re simply making my point for me. Your state, a state full of anti-tax, anti-government conservatives, has it’s mouth firmly locked on the tit of government. If that makes your point about how bad government spending is, I don’t see it.

But one would think with all that federal money, with all that foreign investment, your state wouldn’t have such persistent, grinding poverty, poor health, high infant mortality, low educational attainment and a host of other social pathologies.

To conservatives, if 5% of the people are living well it’s a success.

Oh, and thanks for pointing out just how much of our federal budget is sucked up by your welfare state. That’s not due to the people, it’s due to political patronage and deal-making.

Your state is like a teenager using Daddy’s credit cards who thinks he’s a self-made man.

To conservatives, if 5% of the people are living well it’s a success.

To morons like you, if I live on 42% of my income after giving 58% to government then I’m selfish, undertaxed and need to pay more in taxes. Brilliant!

I just spent the last 4-5 months working on how we as a company (to rename nameless), can profit from the Stimulus bill.

My experience so far has lead me to believe that the economy will be coming out of recession at the time all the “real” money starts to flow.

Not sure things are working as “intended.”

Obama believes if he pretends it didn’t happen then he’s not guilty.
Anna on July 8, 2009 at 01:24 pm

Brings back memories of another psycho…OJ.