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Robert “Sheets” Byrd

says that’s not funny!

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

He who lives by the monkey will die by the monkey!

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Not funny! Obama has been protected in the primaries by an invisible ‘racist’ shield; is going to be insulated by the same force in the race this Fall, and then will be immune to criticism in the White House for the same reason.

Any critique of the man, his policies, his background, his record or his associates is simply off limits because of the latent ‘racism’ inherent in commenting on any of them.

The most brilliant strategy I have ever seen!

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

The most brilliant strategy I have ever seen!

It’s a beautiful strategy to preframe attacks. Saying that any criticism of him doesn’t ‘work’ because of his ‘racial shield’ is great imagination. Wright wasn’t ‘off limits’, flag pin etc…

Rob,

Since you don’t know, calling a black person a ‘monkey’ is a racial slur. Bush’s face, which isn’t particularly funny, on the chimp I’m assuming is because he purses his lips in an exaggerated manner and he’s not the brightest guy on earth.

Simply no comparison. Especially since the history of the Republicans and their blatant disregard for facts and morals when slandering opponents, including McCain and his illegitimate black child.

Since you don’t know, calling a black person a ‘monkey’ is a racial slur. Bush’s face, which isn’t particularly funny, on the chimp I’m assuming is because he purses his lips in an exaggerated manner and he’s not the brightest guy on earth.

Shouldn’t calling someone a monkey be insulting regardless?

You liberals and your need to treat everyone differently because of skin color.  It’s sad, really.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

Hmm,

Lets see, like this:

Senator Ernest “Fritz” Hollings (D-SC)

After losing the Iowa Straw Poll, Hollings stated “You had wetbacks from California that came in here for Cranston,” referring to one of his opponents, Alan Cranston. A few years later Hollings reportedly used the slur “darkies” to derogatorily refer to blacks. He also once disparagingly referred to the Rainbow PUSH Coalition as the “Blackbow Coalition,” and called former Senator Howard Metzenbaum, who is Jewish, “the Senator from B’nai B’rith.” Hollings gained international criticism for his remarks about the African Delegation to the 1993 Geneva GATT conference, where he crudely remarked “you’d find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they’d just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva.”

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Since you don’t know, calling a black person a ‘monkey’ is a racial slur.

As opposed to calling anyone a monkey, which is simply a slur. Oh. I see. Big difference.

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

It is a big difference,a racial slur implies the problem is genetic and pervasive rather than personal.
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Thanks, WOOF! I get it now! Because Obama is half white, it’s okay to compare Obama to a monkey half as much as George Bush? Or twice as much, because Democrats are humorless and it takes them twice as long to get it?

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

You get it Proof.
It twists your mind
into a pretzel of
rationalization.

Por ejemplo

From the same bar:

I wish Hillary had married OJ

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

The question is: Who is Obama’s “Man in the Yellow Hat?”

Who is Obama’s “Man in the Yellow Hat?”

How about:

John Kerry -The man in the Damp Yellow Pants!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

As I understand it, nowadays Amos & Andy is considered an insult to our culturally sensitive friends. However those same friends found absolutely nothing wrong with portraying Joe Lieberman in black face as if in a minstrel show. Exactly where does the hypocrisy lie?

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

He who lives by the monkey will die by the monkey!

...and with Democrats in control of congress and the white house we can expect of plenty legislative monkeyshines to be signed into law.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

You liberals and your need to treat everyone differently because of skin color.  It’s sad, really.

I’m glad you’re a psychic and know me personally as to conclude that I’m a liberal. Moving on…

Treating people different because of skin color is the problem. You should base your ‘insults’ at least on the character and behavior of the person and not whether the person was born a certain color or gender.

And If Republicans run racial attacks on Obama it will alienate Independents and younger Republicans in November.

Treating people different because of skin color is the problem.

This I can agree with. Do away with affirmative action yesterday and let, no, force people to succeed on their own merits.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

At one time, it was a popular belief that Africans were less evolved than Europeans, that they were closer to our monkey ancestors. This is why calling someone with African roots a monkey is completely different than calling someone with European roots one. The historical context is different. One brings up the horrid memory of the skull measurer, the other a playful term parents call their rambunctious kid. That shirt portrays Obama as less than human while the cartoon makes Bush seem a harmless dunce.

You are either pretending not to know that in order to make a point that is only worth making if you pretend not to know that, or you truly believe that racism, if it ever existed, is no longer a problem. If the latter is true, which i highly doubt, i’d say its time for a vacation.

Graeme,

For your implicit accusation of racism to make any sort of sense, it would have to be based not on the intent of the speaker (or in this case the T-shirt maker) but on the perception of another.  That’s a patently silly argument, and one not to be taken at all seriously.

Furthermore, you indict one person as racist based solely on the response of those who “feel” offended, but dismiss out of hand the offensive slurs and vile invective thrown at Mr. Bush by those on your side of the aisle for the past 8 years.  And the only difference you can offer is that one “victim” is black, and the other, presumably, in your jaundiced little world, deserves it?

It is you who is the bigot.  And a sanctimonious one at that.  The notion that anything that a black American might find offensive is by definition racist is absurd.  Only those few with a history of concerted effort at not offending anyone are entitled to sit in judgment of the offenses of others.  You ain’t one of ‘em.

The accusation of “racism” lost its cache a long time ago.  This is the 21st century.  Few of us have any interest in buying buggy whips.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

You liberals and your need to treat everyone differently because of skin color.  It’s sad, really.

Ah yes liberals are the king at making an issue out of a person’s skin color and race baiting. I did love the picture of Robert KKK Byrd. I think most people tend to forget that.

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Feelings have nothing to do with it. It has to do with historical context. If I were to wear a swastika around in Manhattan, and the reaction was what we would all expect it to be, would I have an argument saying that I view it is a Hindu good luck symbol and I can’t be responsible for others “feelings?” Of course not! In contrast, If I were to where a swastika in areas of India, where it is plastered all over temples, monuments, and other sacred places, the context is different and the reaction likely would be as well. My argument might hold water.

Calling Bush a monkey, while uncreative and not funny, doesn’t have the historical implications that it does for Obama. Even if you don’t think racism exists now (you should watch the NBA playoffs at my small hometown North Dakota bar) that doesn’t change the past.

I am not assuming black americans would be “offended” by suggesting Obama is a monkey, I’m assuming anyone who isn’t racist, and also has basic historical knowledge, would, and should, be downright angry about it.

Even if you don’t think racism exists now (you should watch the NBA playoffs at my small hometown North Dakota bar) that doesn’t change the past.

So what are you implying that small town North Dakota are a bunch of hicks?

I was watching MSNBC this morning and they were trying to make this argument that the reason the West Virginians voted for Hillary over Obama was basically based on them being a bunch of uneducated rubes.

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a bunch of uneducated rubes.

But them uneducated rubes is the harbinger of things to come (and the salvation of the Democratic Party!) when they’re electing Democrats in Mississippi and Louisiana! Just ask puzzlefoot!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Oh, and since I missed it on May Day, here’s WOOF in his dress uniform:

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Graeme,

You are never going to get people to take your observations and opinions seriously when you start off with this,

Feelings have nothing to do with it.

Then end up with this,

...I’m assuming anyone who isn’t racist, and also has basic historical knowledge, would, and should, be downright angry about it.

“Taking offense” or if you prefer, getting “downright” angry, is an expression of one’s feelings.  You really can’t have it both ways.

Your inability to recognize the paradox of what you’re saying is undermining the very argument you’re trying to support.  Stop pretending!  You’re only embarrassing yourself… even if you can’t see it.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

That’s my sister Laika,
on the anniversary of
victory in the
Great Patriotic War,
May 9, 1945

Can we all agree that both monkey comparisons are stupid and in very poor taste?

That’s my sister Laika

I heard she was a bitch.

Technically true.
They told me she is
now living on a farm
in the country.
But she doesn’t write.
I fear the worst,
yet still eat them.

WOOF, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but . . .

Can we all agree that both monkey comparisons are stupid and in very poor taste?

Ken,

No doubt.  But the point isn’t the stupidity or the poor taste of the comparisons but the selectivity with which those judgments are passed by those on the Left for whom hypocrisy is congenital.

We are going to hear cries of “racism” for the next six months and beyond, every time anyone has the temerity to criticize or call into question anything about Barack Obama.  Those who would insulate their candidate with accusations of racism need to understand that their indignation is of no consequence.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

We are going to hear cries of “racism” for the next six months and beyond, every time anyone has the temerity to criticize or call into question anything about Barack Obama.

That has already gotten very old. If that is the only defense they have on Obama’s behalf, he is truly a very weak candidate.

If that is the only defense they have on Obama’s behalf, he is truly a very weak candidate.

Ken,

Your use of the word “defense” is spot on.  Mr. Obama has no noteworthy or pertinent experience… not in foreign affairs, national defense, economic development, tax policy, or international trade.  He has no executive, managerial, or even supervisory experience, and no accomplishment of any note to his name… other than having successfully sued the City of Chicago on behalf of ACORN.  His policy pronouncement consist of far more platitudinous fluff than substance, and what substance he has offered is wrong-headed and counter-productive.  There is no indication that he fully understands the scope of the office he is running for, any more than he understands the vast majority of people whose interests he presumably would represent.  He has spent the better part of the past year and a half defining who and what he isn’t as the primary, if not sole, reason for supporting him.  The three adults closest to him, Wright, Rezko and Michelle, are all suspect, and the primary reason he has been successful to this point is the fact that he is NOT Hillary Clinton.

Defense?  You betcha!  Barack Obama is gonna need all the defense he can muster.  To select as President a man whose resume would comfortably fit on the back of a 3X5 index car… in crayon… would be inexcusable.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Heh, “I’m not Hillary” is an extremely powerful message!

Ken asserts:

...“I’m not Hillary” is an extremely powerful message!

Among democRATs?

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Among anyone with decency, and a love for their country, Rodney.

Ken,

So you were excluding democRATs!

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Er . . . point taken.

It’s our party.  We bought it.  We paid for it.

- Eli Pariser, MoveOn.org

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Yeah, ignore the past 200+ years of history where comparison to apes was used to justify slavery and lynching of black people and immigrants.

It’s TOTALLY the same thing as calling a white Connecticut blue-blood a chimp.  Conservatives are always too busy trying to forget history to realize these distinctions.  They just want people to get over things like genocide, mass murder, slavery, etc. so that they can continue to exercise their racism without anyone calling them on it.  Nice try, but no cigar.  Read up on your history.  Slavery and racism WAS the bastion of the Democratic party until the southern strategy swapped those sheet-headed racists with the GOP.  Byrd was part of that earlier group, and now the Rove set is pressing the flesh with the grand wizards.  Good luck with McSame and the 10,000 year Iraq occupation this fall.

unReality badCheck,

Let’s talk some history why don’t we?

Which party was it that wanted to expand slavery into new territories to the West?

Which party was it that ran peace at any price (to include perpetuation of slavery) candidates during the civil war?

Which party was it that instituted Jim Crow laws?

Which party was it that campaigned against the Civil Rights movement and in support of continued segregation and the perpetuation of Jim Crow laws?

Well?

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Reality Check, I am heading back to work so this will be mercifully short for your sake: It was the Republican Party that gave us The Emancipation Proclamation and passed the Civil Rights legislation of the Sixties. It is the Republican Bush that has appointed more people of color to positions of power than any other POTUS in our history. It is the Democrats that have enslaved tens of millions of African-Americans to The Liberal Welfare Plantation State and that tell people of color they cannot succeed without special quota’s and financial help, that they are inferior to whites.

I can document much more, but gives us a break with the tired old canard of racist Republicans, it is a lie!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

"Reality Check” is one of those upside downers described here.

This racist shirt at http://aryanwear.com/obama-2008-monkey-shirt-george-curious-racist-p-847.html is way worse.

Derek,

Do they come in any other colors besides white?

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Personal attacks and even the suggestion of racism should not be tolerated.
Democrats have successfully buried their racism and transferred it to Republicans who for the most part were not and are not.  We are honest, hard working people who believe in personal responsibility.  Democrats take money from hard working people and give it to [read buy votes] others who do not work.

Communism is evil

Personal attacks and even the suggestion of racism should not be tolerated.

Chief,

Personal attacks and racism should certainly be objected to, wherever they are found, but there is a line beyond which our intolerance of intolerance must not go.  The idea of even attempting to outlaw any sort of thought or opinion, regardless of how objectionable it might be, is far too dangerous to even contemplate.

It would be like trying to outlaw stupidity… and obviously there are far too many Democrats around for that to be workable.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

This racist shirt is way worse.

Worse than what?  The lefties have portrayed president Bush as an ape for over 7 years.  I would call this turnaround fair play.

The Supreme Court is a bunch of black robed tyrants

Read my post again. Then go back and read a history book.  When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Nixon and his thugs swept into the south to replace the Democratic party as the party of racism.  It’s called the Southern Strategy, and it’s where the GOP is at right now.

The day LBJ signed the legislation was the day that the GOP started becoming the party of the KKK.  Old guard guys like Byrd had a hard time swallowing this pill (see West Virginia primary), but the switch is nearly complete, which is why the GOP is using racism against Obama.  Your baiting and denials are EXACTLY what the Democratic party trotted out in protecting Jim crow earlier.

Now it’s all GOP racism, all the time.  Good luck with McSame and his 100 year war in Iraq this fall.

Read my post again. Then go back and read a history book.  When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Nixon and his thugs swept into the south to replace the Democratic party as the party of racism.  It’s called the Southern Strategy, and it’s where the GOP is at right now.

The day LBJ signed the legislation was the day that the GOP started becoming the party of the KKK.  Old guard guys like Byrd had a hard time swallowing this pill (see West Virginia primary), but the switch is nearly complete, which is why the GOP is using racism against Obama.  Your baiting and denials are EXACTLY what the Democratic party trotted out in protecting Jim crow earlier.

Now it’s all GOP racism, all the time.  Good luck with McSame and his 100 year war in Iraq this fall.

That post is straight out of the Daily Kooks. You sir are a fricken Moron.

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its racist because of the term “porch monkey” refering to black people

Given all the statements in this discussion. It is rather sad that some of us can not just laugh. Of all the jokes that are out there about candidates past and present they are funny on some level. The monkey shirt shows Obama in a sense that is crudely funny just like Ross Perot was depicted as having big ears or looking like dumbo. Both are genetic. I think that it is funny, and I will laugh at it. Just like I laughed at Ross Perot looking like dumbo. Or cigar jokes with references to Bill Clinton. Or Nixon being depicted with a huge nose (again genetic). It just funny. So stop whining about racism. It is an old lame excuse to return fire on some who has insulted you. I am an Muskogee Creek and my friends give me crap all the time like “you should have fought harder for your land if you wanted it so bad” or “How is the Casino business” it is funny and I don’t scream racism. Or any of the other countless red man jokes I hear on the, television, radio, or in the movies. And a great deal of those are based on historical facts and genetics. I take them all with a grain of salt and for the most part laugh. And please spare me the part were blacks had it harder then the Indians.

And “Bat One” I am very impressed with your command of the English language, Bravo.

(Please excuse grammatical errors or misspellings, as my strengths lie in math and law)

Red,

Thank you, Sir, for the compliment!  That you wrongly regard your own grammatical skills as some sort of weakness is certainly a tribute to your mathematics and legal acumen.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”