B1…shall I ask you the obvious question?

Please do.

Oswaldo,

I don’t suppose it has occurred to you that your comment above is a bald-faced acknowledgment that for Democrats this wasn’t about what is right or wrong, or what is or is not the proper economic policy for the country, but instead, for Democrats, there is no such thing as right or wrong… only that which brings with it a partisan advantage?

Nah!

The piece of shit you’re talking about is a Republican rescue plan, conceived by a Republican Treasury Secretary (ex-CEO of Goldman Sachs)

And the reports that Paulson’s a Democrat are false?

Aside from that glaring error let us remember that he sent a 3 page plan up to the Hill. That 3 pages is now a 451 page bill.

I didn’t even finish the first sentence of your screed.

I need to pay my rent which is more than the mortgage I was paying off every month on my house prior to foreclosure.

Apparently you don’t understand that if you had been paying your mortgage off you never would have been foreclosed on.

I take back what I said before. If you really really applied yourself you might work yourself up to “way below average.”

My fellow Americans this Monday morning brings no change in our financial situations congress has decided to go forward with there plans to bail out wall street. no matter what they tell you they are doing or call it, that is exactly what it is. Once signed you will be paying executive salaries and bonuses and own worthless assets. we the people will be excepting the results of both there bad judgment of wall street and congress. Congratulations America they will never pay it back and if they did you would not reap the benefits congress would. well the foreign governments you bailed out they are your enemies and would sooner see you dead. What you need to bear in mind is that you have entrusted a government to over see this that has no fiscal responsibility none zip zero. These are the same people that said “they would keep social security in a secure lock box” and you can see where that got us. How much more will you chose to endure before you see them for what they are thieves liars cheats and criminals that act above the laws they write and we follow. My limit I fear was some time ago and the differences are irreconcilable even if I found a good job now I can not stop. These people have no power over us and the acts committed are two many and without remorse. A wise man once said “Give me liberty or give me death”. I have pursued happiness only to have it taken from me one to many times and I know there are among you more like me. This is it America make you choice and chose your side I chose to be against this travesty there is no side in democrat or republican they are just part of the same beast that has grown fat and stupid in its old age. This country was given birth in revolution its first cries where the cries of the dead and dieing, we shrived to form a more perfect union. I fear now that we have failed we put our trust in people that amazingly time and time again can not be voted out of office who have spent and spent and spent for the last 40 years like the spoiled rich children that they are. The only way to save ourselves is revolution and reestablish the constitution set penalties as high as death for these transgressions in the future. This is not something I want but I truly feel this is the only solution for our children sake this is the only solution.

I still maintain that if Bush had just a little more respect of his own party, this would have passed.

I would hope not. This bill, this fix isn’t necessary.

Just heard some talk about a possible re-vote, so this may not be over just yet (unfortunately).

I think we’ll get something. Hopefully the socialistic aspects of this are minimized in the final product.

This thread is about the bailout vote, not what caused this financial mess

Shouldn’t the bailout address the root problem?

He’s just dodging the issue.

This thread is about the bailout vote, not what caused this financial mess (a topic that has been discussed in length elsewhere on this site). I’m not dodging the issue — just trying to stay on topic.

I still maintain that if Bush had just a little more respect of his own party, this would have passed. Just heard some talk about a possible re-vote, so this may not be over just yet (unfortunately).

Wrong! Since at least 1 republican voted against the bill, the blame is all on the republicans.
Wow. My brain hurts. Please tell me you weren’t serious.

More democrats than Republicans voted against this bill.

You don’t have a point.

And you sound extremely stupid to boot.

Congress acted in a bipartisan way to defeat this bill.

Hey JOKE!, go watch the video on breitbart.com about the 2004 illegal bookkeeping hearings of fannie and freddie and see who’s “playing games”!

Anybody have a link to the roll call?

the Democrats have a majority in the House and they could have passed the bill with zero Republican support.

Be serious. The Dems are wise to the Republican ploy. If the Dems had passed the bill all by themselves, with Republican opposition, it would have become “their” bill. The Republicans could then place the blame for the passage of this “horrible” bill squarely on the Dems. Conservatives are a shifty bunch willing to flip flop as often as it takes to win the election in November. Yes, this is all about McCain and the presidential election. They’re still working on the details of their next move. Most likely, they’ll end up accepting the bill and claim that it has become a good bill now that McCain has offered his input in cleaning it up and solving the deadlock. Ta da! McCain to the rescue of America. Vote McCain.

Just say “no” to socialism!

Wasn’t the bailout bill Bush’s/Paulsen’s idea? This was a failure of Bush to mobilize his own party. He has spent all of his political capital.

The only way Pelosi failed was to get more of the 95 (!) democrats who opposed the bill onboard. We should all be thanking those 95 democrats without whom this would not be possible.

I’m surprised. I think that the plan is dumb and unlikely to do what needs to be done but I figured it would pass anyway. I predict they’ll add language to include the phony baloney insurance scheme requested by House Republicans and it will be passed within a week.

morron: This is the bill for decades of useless Dem affirmative action home loan mandates.

robert108 – You consistently resort to name calling instead of a discussion of the issues. It gets old quickly. Apparently, you only like to hear things as you already believe them to be. Open your mind — you just might be wrong about something.

You consistently resort to name calling instead of a discussion of the issues.

Wrong! I correctly stated the reason for the financial mess, and you are unable to present anything to the contrary.
Nice try.

This is particulary disconcerting for those (me, for instance) who have retirement accounts that we’re just about ready to use.

They need to find a way to fix this.

There was a desire for the bill to be passed on a bipartisan basis…

Which was thankfully thwarted. Our system is based on two sides working it out, not a single ideology running roughshod over the people. The bill was terrible and unnecessary, and it should have been defeated. The Dems want to play the blame game, while denying that their bill was a piece of shit.

Paulson is a Republican-appointed official.

Congratulations on your breakthrough, Mike! It will get easier as you progress.

Non sequitur. You keep bleating that this is a Republican bill, but the Dems are blaming the Republicans for it failing to pass, even though there is a Dem majority. Why claim a bill that belongs to the other Party?

You should actually answer the question, instead of spewing some bullshit propaganda that doesn’t address the issue.

No you said–

conceived by a Republican Treasury Secretary

He’s a Democrat. The bigger point is that the Democrats in Congress have added even more to the Paulson’s (who is a Democrat) plan.

If I were to suggest anything to you Oswaldo, it would be to go to school for another 20 or so years and really buckle down.

You might work your way up to below average.

vote the same, stock market’s up to $450 down for the day.

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The stockmarket ran on until it was down like $780. Ugh.

The vote is up. They used this bill as a vehicle to bring it to the floor.

I see my congressman, Earl Pomeroy voted for it. I’m not going to knock him. I’m a leaner, against the bill, but maybe he was right to vote for it.

I suspect we’ll get another bill. Like this article says, there really isn’t any urgency to do it today as it’s not up for a Senate vote until Wednesday.

O…what you say is quite true but it doesn’t negate the truth of r108′s point. There was a desire for the bill to be passed on a bipartisan basis and political calculations and machinations prevented that…c’est la vie and time to move on.

B1…shall I ask you the obvious question?

The Republicans are simply playing games.

Like packing the bill with all sorts of pork for groups like ACORN is not playing games!

I got in through Thomas.gov but it’s not up yet.

The Dow closed at $680 down or 6% down. I thought it’d strengthen at the end but it dropped quite a bit the last minutes it was open.

There have also been some reports that Pelosi’s partisan speech may have swayed some republicans to vote against the bill. Though her speech was unnecessarily partisan, I would hope and believe that each representative is voting for what they believe to be in the best interests of their constituents and not suddenly change their intended vote because of some ill-timed comments from Pelosi

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By the way, another House Republican baboon claiming that the bailout vote failed because of Pelosi’s remark is House minority leader John Boehner. He was not ashamed to admit he was behind the move to ensure the bailout failed, not because it was in the interest of our country, but because a nasty Democrat said something negative about the mess the Bush administration left our country with. All that was part of another stunt, aimed at giving McCain more time to somehow get some kind of credit for any progress in the bailout talks. But all they did was screw things up even more, with McFlipFlop looking like a complete ass claiming credit in the morning for what he thought would be a done deal for the bailout talks which failed, and then spouting more unconvincing twaddle after the vote.

Republicans have been insulting the intelligence of Americans with their hogwash. A good example is their claim that they were ready to vote in favor of the bailout but, during the discussions preceding the vote, they received calls from 90 percent of their constituents opposing the bailout. Yeah right. In the space of two hours, they received a million phone calls. Do they really think Americans are dumb enough to swallow that? And you wonder why the polls are showing McCain trailing Obama?

The Dems want to play the blame game, while denying that their bill was a piece of shit.

The piece of shit you’re talking about is a Republican rescue plan, conceived by a Republican Treasury Secretary (ex-CEO of Goldman Sachs) and a Republican president for the purpose of trying to clean up the dung splattered all over our country’s financial markets by two terms of Republican administration rule and a Republican-controlled Congress pushing a reckless Republican agenda. It’s all 100 percent Republican, and Democrats were simply trying to offer bipartisan help in that undertaking for the good of the country.
While it’s impossible to predict what the versatile Republicans (if you can figure out what a “Republican” is today, and who’s who, and who’s for what in their lopsided, fabricated, oft flip-flopping party divisions and loyalties) will be doing next, one thing is for sure: their strategy will be to tailor and debate on an acceptable bailout package so that McCain emerges in some uncanny way as the knight in shining armor who joins the discussions and rescues America. Start counting the number of times we’ll be hearing “McCain” in connection with the next votes on the new bill.
But fear not, whatever stunt they come up with, if seen by increasingly watchful Americans for the bullshit it represents, will backfire on them just like their previous stunts.

robert108 thoughtfully proposed:

Wrong! Since the Dems could have passed it if they all voted for it, the blame is all on the Dems.

Wrong! Since at least 1 republican voted against the bill, the blame is all on the republicans.

Wow. My brain hurts. Please tell me you weren’t serious.

Hell must have frozen over because I see r108′s logic in his argument. One can quibble over Republicans not voting as they initially indicated they would but the fact is that the Democrats have a majority in the House and they could have passed the bill with zero Republican support.

Having said that, I better sit down…the room is starting to spin.

Since at least 1 republican voted against the bill, the blame is all on the republicans.

That just doesn’t make sense. Even if all the Republicans voted against it, if all the Dems voted for it, it would have passed. If your brain hurts, it must not be very good at logical thinking. Better just stick with your feelings, like a good leftie. Leave the thinking to those who are able.

Personal attack and namecalling; the last resort of the damaged egotist.

robert108 on May 27, 2006 at 11:01 PM

Barney Frank, his head in someone elses lap, blamed Republicans, but his party is in the majority, so how does it figure the Republicans are to blame?

Why the rush, when the Senate gives itself several more days to consider the bill? Is this all a bit of chicken little?

The Republicans blame poor Nancy’s partisan speech. Pelosi partisan? Tell me it ain’t so joe!

Wrong! Since the Dems could have passed it if they all voted for it, the blame is all on the Dems.

Yeah, Flip-Flop108, as Mano says, shouldn’t you be giving the Dems “credit” for their nays?

The Republicans, and McDodo, want to have it both ways, for and against the bailout, depending on how the market performs and how the country reacts. McCain has been flipping unswervingly in support of the bill and will be in a real bind looking for a way to flop (or … scratch … scratch …is it flip’s turn next?) elegantly whenever his Republican Party figures out what it wants to do about the Republican bailout scheme. They’re jumping all over the place. Their actions are the perfect illustration of how important it is to prevent them from getting their hands on the reigns of our country again — important not only for our economy, but for our foreign policy and national security because of the one-track, tough language, anti-U.N. Republican approach to diplomacy that has given rise to so much anti-American sentiment and has been contributing to conflict rather than to world peace.

Pelosi wanted to take house republicans down with the ship by saying she was looking for 100 republican votes. She got just over 30.

No, the republican vote was 133-65.

We have far too many votes against to settle for the corporate welfare, socialization of the housing market.

when r108 says

That’s an outright lie

its gotta be true.

I can’t get to House.gov right now.