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Wednesday, August 17, 2005

Bad Bad Bad!

Sadly, I have come to EXPECT this type of thing from Muslims, but not from the Jews.
Reuters image - Jewish settler


JERUSALEM (Reuters)
- A Jewish settler killed three Palestinians in a West Bank shooting spree on Wednesday, drawing a threat of retaliation from Palestinian militants which could complicate Israel's withdrawal from the occupied Gaza Strip.

Israeli police said the assailant was a driver who had taken Palestinian workers to jobs in Shiloh, a Jewish West Bank settlement. Once there, he snatched a security guards gun and turned it on his passengers.


Reprehensible! Absolutely Reprehensible!

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the attack, which came just hours after Israeli troops began removing settlers and their supporters from several Gaza settlements as part of a pullout which Israeli opponents see as capitulation to a Palestinian uprising that began in 2000.


I have my doubts that there will be any group claiming responsibility. I could be wrong, but this looks a lot like an individualistic hate crime. I hope I am right!

Palestinian militants threatened to renew attacks that they have scaled back in recent months at the behest of President Mahmoud Abbas, who seeks a smooth handover of Gaza.


[sarcasm] Wow! Never expected that! [/sarcasm]

"By freeing the hand of settlers to shed Palestinian blood, the enemy is opening the door for resistance factions to respond to these Zionist crimes which take place during the calm," a spokesman for the Islamic militant group Hamas said.

There was a similar statement from kindred group Islamic Jihad, although it said any retaliatory attacks would take place in the West Bank or Israel, but not in Gaza.


Compare that with what Sharon said about the last homicidal nut-job:

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has denounced a Jewish extremist's shooting rampage that killed four Israeli Arabs as an act of terrorism, and warned that militants could strike again.


Even the leader of the Israeli pull out Resistance group came out denouncing this action. Good for them. I wish we saw the same, heartfelt, denunciations from the Muslim world.

I'm going to go hold my breath now.

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I can.  Unless there is some proof that the people he shot have ANYTHING to do with Terrorist Palestinians, then this guys actions are JUST AS BAD (I yelled that, cause the actions are not worse, nor better) as any other terror attack.

In fairness, though… I wrote something fairly similar to this: “That’s not to excuse these killings, but at the same time, I can’t blame him."… But as I was typing it, it occurred to me that the Arabs in the car were, likely, not guilty of anything.  Sharon ordered the pull out.  The government supported it.  That gunman has the wrong target and his actions do not help the situation.  I can cut him some small amount of slack for the years of terror, loss of family and friends, but still he committed a reprehensible act and needs to be treated as a terrorist in the eyes of the law. 

Sadly, if we treated him in the same way that the Palestinians treat their terrorists, He’d be getting at least $25,000 in cash from various regimes; a free ride to college; Schools named after him; Etc… ETC…

The hypocrisy pisses me off, but I choose the higher moral ground.

Seth Yantiss on August 17, 2005 at 07:08 pm
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Its wrong, but its hard not to emphasize.

I’m with you Rob.  Every single country where Islam is the law of the land, there are bloody borders.  Every single country. That’s not to excuse these killings, but at the same time, I can’t blame him.

likwidshoe on August 17, 2005 at 07:08 pm
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Its wrong, but its hard not to emphasize.  These people have been the victims of terror for year after year, only to have their government finally give up to terrorists who are now promising to re-up their violent tactics.

After all, Jerusalem is next.


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Rob on August 17, 2005 at 07:09 pm
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While you condem the violence, obviously, there is more justification for said violence in that these people are beign forcibly removed from their homes by their government, and they believe that it is diretly against the will of Yahweh

Sphagnum on August 17, 2005 at 08:08 pm
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I’m with the other Seth on this one. Terrorism is terrorism, and I prefer a little moral clarity on this one. This guy was their driver fer crissakes! Not only were they most likely innocents, but they had the reasonable expectation of safety and trust with this guy.

It’s one thing to accidentally kill innocents in wartime. Regrettable, but sometimes unavoidable. Quite another to purposely target the wholly innocent.

Bad, bad, bad indeed.

Seth Williams on August 17, 2005 at 08:08 pm
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While you condem the violence, obviously, there is more justification for said violence in that these people are beign forcibly removed from their homes by their government, and they believe that it is diretly against the will of Yahweh

I am not a supporter of the Palestinians BECAUSE of their violence and their support of Terrorism.  I’ll not be a party to justifying any action of this kind for any reason.  The PLO, Hammas, Etc, use this SAME logic to justify their attacks on Israel. 

As Seth Williams states, eloquently, “That’s a soil from which nothing good can grow.”

Seth Yantiss on August 17, 2005 at 08:09 pm
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Then they ought to direct the violence against the people who are doing the removing. You’d have to go through quite some mental contortions to say that these particular Palestinians were even indirectly culpable for the loss of the settlements. I’ll do no such contortions because any such leaps of logic surely cut equally so against Israel, a nation which I have great admiration and support for.

Wrong is wrong, and should be pronounced and not excused as such, even when it cuts against the side you support. Excusing violence by trying to look at “root causes” is exactly what a lot of us on the right condemn when the topic is Islamic terrorism, but that’s a blade that cuts both ways and leads to moral relativity. That’s a soil from which nothing good can grow.

Me, I’ll do my best to call a spade a spade.

Seth Williams on August 17, 2005 at 08:09 pm
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What amazes me is the fact that the MSM, both in Europe and here, are not covering the fact that Palestinian forces are mortaring and sniping at the jews as they withdraw. This incident is a case of a mentally unbalanced person. Though all terrorists are mentally unbalanced. You guys remember the IDF deserter who shotup the bus a couple of weeks ago. Remember what group he was said to be affiliated with? I will dig it out of archives, I am sure it is the same jewish group who rolled a drum full of dynamite into a police station next to the King David hotel in the ‘30s. This has been going on far longer than most people want to admit.

2Hotel9 on August 18, 2005 at 04:08 am
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The Jews could be being massacred and the MSM wouldn’t cover it because they probably believe they deserve it.  The bias on the Israel/Pala-terrorists situation has always been appalling…

Sphagnum on August 18, 2005 at 05:09 am
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I would hope that once the withdrawal is complete the Arab community will land hard on the militants. I know personally that if they do not stop the terrorists tactics I would be all for suppling the Isreali Army the weapons necesary to take them out.

Richard on August 18, 2005 at 06:09 am
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I want to reiterate that I think what this man did was wrong.  Terribly, terribly wrong.  When I said I empathize with his feelings I only meant insofar as I feel sorry for the Jews who are forced to move because their government has given in to terrorism.


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Rob on August 18, 2005 at 07:09 am
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Um, ANYONE can be a terrorist.  White people too! (OK City) The differene is that this Israeli did not premeditate this murder in an effort to maximize causualties, the Israeli government condemed this man and his activities, and Musims are still the most active threat today…

Sphagnum on August 18, 2005 at 03:08 pm
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Now that shoe is on the other foot, it’s clear that terrorism isn’t just limited to radical Muslims, radical Israeli’s can do it too.

studentrights on August 18, 2005 at 03:08 pm
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"studentrights” said, Now that shoe is on the other foot, it’s clear that terrorism isn’t just limited to radical Muslims, radical Israeli’s can do it too.

Yeah no shit Sherlock.  Everybody is capable of evil deeds.  I will point out that the Palestinian foot gets a lot more walking done.

likwidshoe on August 18, 2005 at 05:09 pm
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Jews used terror tactics in the ‘20s and ‘30s. Where do you thing the Arabs got the idea. It is not in the Quran, it had to come from some where.

2Hotel9 on August 18, 2005 at 06:08 pm
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Um, ANYONE can be a terrorist.  White people too! (OK City)

I was only commenting on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but yeah, you’re right Sphagnum

A good example would be the Klu Klux Clan, since it’s a radical christian terrorist organization, which had around four million members back in the 1930’s. Although it’s numbers have dramatically decline since then, they’re still an American terrorist organization with offices in the United States.

I guess some terrorists still get to enjoy of the freedoms of democracy. They just lynch people and burn them out of their houses instead of blowing them up, so they don’t get included in the war on terror.

As an American, I think they need a dose of the 101st Airborne.

studentrights on August 18, 2005 at 09:09 pm
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CORRECTION:

I mean to say “your” land not “our” land.

studentrights on August 18, 2005 at 10:08 pm
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Jews used terror tactics in the ’20s and ’30s. Where do you thing the Arabs got the idea. It is not in the Quran, it had to come from some where.

Yeah, I heard something like that. But when you have tanks and fighter aircraft like the Israeli’s do now, you don’t need to blow yourself up to protect our land.

studentrights on August 18, 2005 at 10:09 pm
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Jews used terror tactics in the ’20s and ’30s. Where do you thing the Arabs got the idea. It is not in the Quran, it had to come from some where.

Yeah, I heard something like that. But when you have tanks and fighter aircraft like the Israeli’s do now, you don’t need to blow yourself up to protect your land.

studentrights on August 18, 2005 at 10:09 pm
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"studentrights” said, Well their are some people (Americans) who think that only Muslims are capable of terrorism. That’s what I was addressing Homes.

Who? Can you point me to one? Why would you say it here at this site to begin with?

likwidshoe on August 18, 2005 at 10:09 pm
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Yeah no shit Sherlock. Everybody is capable of evil deeds. I will point out that the Palestinian foot gets a lot more walking done. -likwidshoe

Well their are some people (Americans) who think that only Muslims are capable of terrorism. That’s what I was addressing Homes.

studentrights on August 18, 2005 at 10:09 pm
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