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Pride goeth before fall.  The author should swallow her foolish pride and accept the honorary degree.

Yeah, doesn’t she know that the Wounded Knee Massacre happened in South Dakota, and that everything that has ever happened to the Sioux in North Dakota since the beginning of time has been nothing but benevolent?

After all, if Rob can see nothing wrong with a cultural caricature of his heritage, then surely these people who obviously have never had anything bad happen to them, ever, should have no problem whatsoever with an obscure school appropriating their heritage as a mascot.

Ah the bitter, spittle-flecked rantings of a liberal outraged over something silly.

It’s like music to my ears.

By the way, UND is hardly obscure.  We’ve got one of the best hockey programs in the nation.

As for the nickname, everything is offensive to somebody.  Indian nicknames/logos, etc. are prevalent in society.  The Sioux logo/nickname is a thing of honor, not of derision or offensiveness.

Plus, the NCAA has some pretty severe double standards here.  The Illinois Illini are being allowed to keep their nickname, so why can’t the Sioux?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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I’m Scott. And I would be honored if that school changed their logo to an image of William Wallace.

Ahh, bitter and spittle-flecked. I like that; particularly in light of your post, Rob.

College Hockey? I didn’t know that even existed. But then again, down here in the south we play actual sports.

Seriously, go and look and what FSU did; I’m no fan of the Seminoles but what they did vis a vis Chief Jim Billy and the Seminole nation was admirable. I.E., approach the tribe, offer them some creative input/financial incentive, and allow the nation to weigh-in on the appropriation of their identity. The tribe’s happy, the school’s happy, win win for the Chief and that sack of excrement known as Bobby Bowden.

What you guys are doing is essentially sticking your fingers in their chest, throwing a hissy, and saying something to the effect of ‘Remember when we cut off your great-grandmother’s breast as a souvenir? Well, check it out, now we’re going to use the name of your nation and a caracature of your extinct tribe as a mascot. But don’t worry, we’ve got a regionally-famous hockey team you can be proud of.’

Has anyone in UND approached the Sioux and asked them, or are you guys going to go with the whine-and-moan strategy of faux persecution?

Rob,

Good one!  Insults are just insults, but creative derision-heaping, done with panache, can be very entertaining and thought-provoking.  Thanks for the laugh.

Also glad that the side-bar is back, but STILL think ole’ Blackjack was best.

/back on topic

The haughty indignation of Leftists over a perceived slight is merely smokescreen for their wanting to divide society into warring factions and place themselves at the front of a screaming mob.

Yet more proof that they are a social corrosive and work for the World wide Revolution, against America.

...for great justice

Seriously, go and look and what FSU did; I’m no fan of the Seminoles but what they did vis a vis Chief Jim Billy and the Seminole nation was admirable. I.E., approach the tribe, offer them some creative input/financial incentive, and allow the nation to weigh-in on the appropriation of their identity. The tribe’s happy, the school’s happy, win win for the Chief and that sack of excrement known as Bobby Bowden.

UND has tried that.  The problem is that the Sioux of North Dakota aren’t nearly as organized as the Seminoles of Florida, apparently.  One year a tribal council will vote on the logo as being ok, the next year the council will turn over and they’ll reject it.  Plus, the Sioux are spread out over more than one reservation so you’re dealing with multiple authorities.  Some agree, some won’t.

It’s not as simple as you make it sound.

To be perfectly honest with you, though, the only time this even becomes an issue is one some dumbshit liberal like you gets all up in arms.  I really don’t see why the rest of us level-headed folks should have to jump through hoops to satisfy your retarded liberal guilt.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Has anyone in UND approached the Sioux and asked them, or are you guys going to go with the whine-and-moan strategy of faux persecution?

Wow. Talk about projection. If you take a step back and look around, you’ll notice that Rob is pointing out the “whine-and-moan strategy of faux persecution”.

Good one!  Insults are just insults, but creative derision-heaping, done with panache, can be very entertaining and thought-provoking.  Thanks for the laugh.

I aim to please.

Also glad that the side-bar is back, but STILL think ole’ Blackjack was best.

The sidebar on the reader blogs isn’t fixed yet.  Hopefully this weekend.

As for Blackjack, I liked that avatar as well (Pershing is one of my favorite figures from our military history), but I felt uncomfortable presenting such a legendary military figure as a symbol for myself as I’ve never served in the military, and I don’t want anyone to think that I’m claiming that honor for myself falsely.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Rob,
Can you add to your pictures a picture depicting me… a drunk irishman fighting?
Should I be offended?  Maybe I am too drunk to notice.
Thanks.

The Native Americans of the southeastern United States didn’t mind owning slaves before 1865.

From 1750 to the American Civil War in 1861, Native Americans, especially those in the Southeast, interacted with enslaved blacks in every way possible, although there is no evidence that blacks ever owned Indian slaves. The nature of this interaction depended upon the historical character of the Indian groups, the enslaved people in their midst, and the white slaveholders. Native Americans assisted runaway slaves and also tracked them down and returned them to slavery. They married free and enslaved blacks, and accepted the children of such unions with few strings attached. They also sold blacks to whites, trading them like so many blankets or horses. Most importantly, many Indians owned black slaves. By 1824, it is estimated that the Cherokee owned 1,277 black slaves; the Choctaw and the Chickasaw held over 5,000 blacks in slavery by 1860. Some mixed-blood Indians, such as the Choctaw chief Greenwood Lefore and the Cherokee chief John Ross, owned between 100 and 400 enslaved blacks respectively. And when the southeastern Indians were forcefully marched west to present-day Oklahoma by the American government in the infamous “Trail of Tears” in the 1830s and 1840s, as many as 15,000 enslaved blacks were taken with them.

The pot is calling the kettle black with some sexed-up hypocrisy.

To be perfectly honest with you, though, the only time this even becomes an issue is one some dumbshit liberal like you gets all up in arms.  I really don’t see why the rest of us level-headed folks should have to jump through hoops to satisfy your retarded liberal guilt.

Pa ha ha ha ha!

Rob, that is absolutely just precious.

I could care less about your obscure school’s mascot (being an outsider, I must admit that the only thing I know about your school is that it has a logo that offends some people.) I could care less about an author with native heritage taking offense to your obscure school’s mascot and trying to send a message.

The reason why I posted was because of your ‘level-headed’ response. Seriously, who is being the dumbshit here? Me, or the guy bitching about an author refusing an honor because she finds the organization bestowing the honor clings to symbols that are offensive to her heritage. Are you trying to say that she should have no qualms about your schools choice of symbolism?

I’m not asking you to jump through hoop one; if you want to keep a caracature and believe it honors a recently slaughtered people, have at it. Just don’t feign innocence (or stupidity) when someone else calls the university on it.

I will submit that the reason why you’re whining about this whole affair is because you know you are dead wrong.

I will submit that the reason why you’re whining about this whole affair is because you know you are dead wrong.

Dude, what the hell are you talking about? Rob is just pointing out some pointy-headed responses to the UND logo. The only one whining about it here is you.

I could care less about your obscure school’s mascot

Could have fooled me given all the time you’re spending typing comments about it.

I will submit that the reason why you’re whining about this whole affair is because you know you are dead wrong.

Or it could be because I think that dumb liberals like you are wrong in trying to bully one of my state’s colleges into your idea of political correctness.

I think you care about this a lot more than you’re letting on.  You clearly think UND’s logo/nickname is wrong with all your dripping-with-sarcasm hyperbole, so why don’t you just come right out and discuss this like a non-asshole liberal instead of trying to pretend like you’re above it all?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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"Non-asshole” “Dumbshit”

Again, somebody please explain to me why I’m the whinger here. Is it because I hold a reasonable and adult opinion on this matter, and you don’t?

You clearly think UND’s logo/nickname is wrong with all your dripping-with-sarcasm hyperbole, so why don’t you just come right out and discuss this like a non-asshole liberal instead of trying to pretend like you’re above it all?

Tell you what, Rob, I will do precisely that, once you explain to us why Ms. Erdrich is not entitled to an opinion about her heritage.

Failing that, you can explain what I’ve said that was hyperbolic.

Is it because I hold a reasonable and adult opinion on this matter, and you don’t?

Who knew that “reasonable and adult opinion” included getting offended by a stupid logo?

Tell you what, Rob, I will do precisely that, once you explain to us why Ms. Erdrich is not entitled to an opinion about her heritage.

What’s your malfunction? It’s like you have an inability to understand simple concepts. Here’s the reality: nobody is trying to deny Ms. Erdrich her opinion on whatever. Of course she’s entitled to think what she wants.

Who knew that “reasonable and adult opinion” included getting offended by a stupid logo?

I’m not offended by a stupid logo, I’m just calling y’all out for faux outrage over a woman expressing an opinion about the appropriation of her heritage.

So, given your parsed response, you are comfortable with the author defending her heritage correct, or is one’s heritage merely: “self-important liberal grandstanding?”

I’m not offended by a stupid logo, I’m just calling y’all out for faux outrage over a woman expressing an opinion about the appropriation of her heritage.

Oh. I didn’t realize that you had the keys to the insides of our heads so that you can determine motive.

Jackass.

So, given your parsed response, you are comfortable with the author defending her heritage correct, or is one’s heritage merely: “self-important liberal grandstanding?”

She’s defending her heritage by getting outraged by an innocuous logo?

Whatever man.

Why am I thinking that this lady hasn’t written anything worth reading?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

* - I looked back to the time when we last talked. You made numerous assumptions during that argument as well.

I’ll repeat what I said the last time you were flopping around like an idiot: I don’t support your stupid comments, but I do support the mechanisms that enable them to occur.

I doubt you’ll understand what I just said, but there it is for the record.

Oh. I didn’t realize that you had the keys to the insides of our heads so that you can determine motive.

Many people call this ability to read other people’s thoughts “reading what they wrote.” Try it sometime.

You may rest assured, your convictions here are as well-founded as they were on the other thread.

And to think I always believed that conservatives placed a high value on heritage…

Many people call this ability to read other people’s thoughts “reading what they wrote.” Try it sometime.

Can you point to the evidence that shows our supposed “faux outrage”? Thanks. It should be no problem for you since you are only “reading what they wrote”.

You may rest assured, your convictions here are as well-founded as they were on the other thread.

You got creamed in that other thread and you’re not doing so well here either.

And to think I always believed that conservatives placed a high value on heritage…

We do. We just disagree on this issue.

Hey! How about that? We just disagree.

Too simple for you?

I’m just calling y’all out for faux outrage over a woman expressing an opinion about the appropriation of her heritage.

What a load of crap!  In the first place, according to Wikipedia, the woman is no more than one eighth Native, if that.  Granted, that’s more than the self-righteous twit, Ward Churchill… but still…

Second, “the woman” is certainly entitled to whatever opinion suits her mood.  But if she expresses that opinion publicly she is also entitled to whatever criticism anyone else feels like heaping on her.  That’s how a free society operates.  If she is put off or offended by the criticisms of her, perhaps next time she’ll keep her mouth shut.

Finally, exactly who the hell are you to determine whether someone else’s “outrage” is real or not?  Nothing you’ve written here over the past months would lead anyone to regard you are remotely insightful, much less prescient.  If you want to criticize the words or the actions of another that’s certainly your perogative, as it is everyone else’s.  But please don’t try to pass yourself off as sufficiently astute to evaluate someone else’s motivation.  You’re not.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Jeez Fellas,

you just are expecting too much out of that Leftist troll, formerly known as *

After all, only one thing comes out of a Sphincter.

...for great justice

Why am I thinking that this lady hasn’t written anything worth reading?

She did write a book that was ok, Love Medicine, it was about an Indian family in North Dakota. It took place over a few decades mainly the 1970’s.  It dealt with Alcoholism and disfunction. 

The book is plenty old now and there was a follow up.  But I think this move is just Erdrich trying to gain face after being accused of not being at the front of Native American struggles.

So she’s a grandstanding, self-important liberal just like I said?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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That logo would go GREAT with any law school:

We Sioux ‘em

We love to Sioux, and it shows..

You get the idea.

...for great justice

That’s been done Ziggy

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

What a load of crap!  In the first place, according to Wikipedia, the woman is no more than one eighth Native, if that.  Granted, that’s more than the self-righteous twit, Ward Churchill… but still…

Why is it that there are all of these white hand wringing liberals so offended by team with native logos. When I was in college I remember all the white liberal eliets (I think they are nitwits insignifigant) college professors telling us how racist the fightinng Sioux logo is and then you see a Native American wearing a redskins or FSU shirt.

Check out:
Goon’s North Dakota Red Neck
Goon’s World

I see a few Vikings Jerseys out on the Res.

Irony can be Ironic sometimes.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whatever Erdrich’s Indian blood quantum is, the fact is that she didn’t grow up or live on the reservation.  She lived in Wahpeton and only visited her reservation relatives for brief periods.

She grew up in white society, but of course she uses that very limited contact with the reservation to hype her books as if she’s some sort of “real” Indian, when in fact she was merely a visitor.  It’s all for book sales, it’s her gimmick, her schtick.

This public refusal of an honorary degree is merely more of the same, trying to use this issue to hype herself once again, to “validate” her Indian credentials, to jump on the anti-nickname bandwagon and ride the Activist Indian wave as long as she can.  (And if it sells a few more of her books, so much the better…)

Perhaps she should talk to the artist who created the UND logo.  He is a member of the tribe she of whom she claims membership.  Not only is he an enrolled member of the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa, he grew up there.  As did I (and yes, I’m a member, too.)

Whistler, Batman and Robin.  Don’t you trolls know when to quit.  What a bunch of ignorant racists you are!  Keep it up.  You’re all doing such a good job of revealing your ignorance on so many subjects.

I applaud Ms. Erdrich for her standing by her beliefs. It’s pretty obvious it’s just yet another ploy by UND to try to get ‘another native’ as I’ve heard from them that is not affected by the logo?

If she is a nobody or has nothing good to write, then why would UND go as far as offering her a honorary degree from them?

You all sure seem to talk a lot about stuff you know nothing about. So narrow minded, try looking at both perspectives. I tried supporting the logo although I wasn’t comfortable with any Native American mascot or nickname for sports, I still tried being okay with it, but after years at UND I just couldn’t. I won’t waste time explaining because I am sure no one really wants to hear it… Or will try to cut me down just as you seem to enjoy cutting down most Natives on this blog.

Or will try to cut me down just as you seem to enjoy cutting down most Natives on this blog.

I disagree that anyone’s cut down Natives who are participating on this blog.  Disagreeing with someone isn’t a bad thing.

It’s pretty obvious it’s just yet another ploy by UND to try to get ‘another native’ as I’ve heard from them that is not affected by the logo?

Your likely right.

You all sure seem to talk a lot about stuff you know nothing about. So narrow minded, try looking at both perspectives.

Rob has offered you guests the chance to sign up for a reader blog to get your opinions out.  So far I don’t think any of the Natives have taken him up on it.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

whistler, we don’t need to take up the offer to set up our own blog.  We’re only here to address the bigotry and racism.  Call it what u want.  We already know the tactics.

Once again you prove that you don’t have an argument only name calling.

Call me what you want because I really don’t care.  You are making your case look silly.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler, Batman and Robin.  Don’t you trolls know when to quit.  What a bunch of ignorant racists you are!  Keep it up.  You’re all doing such a good job of revealing your ignorance on so many subjects.

Sigh!

One of the primary advantages of a quality education, is that it enables one to communicate effectively with others.  The problem occurs, as mentioned earlier today, when there are no sentient thoughts worthy of being communicated or of interest to the presumed audience, regardless of the vocabulary being utilized.

What we’ve got here, apparently, is the same troll, different bridge.

Andy, you are a pluperfect idiot.  Your only talent is to offer up the standard assortment of leftwing insults, and even there your ability is very, very modest.  You have said nothing of any importance or interest, and you are obviously incapable of keeping up with even the most pedestrian repartee.  You have yet to back up any of your silly accusations with any sort of documented fact, and when someone challenges you to actually produce something worthy of notice, the best you can do is to call them a racist.  Pathetic!

If anyone here has managed to display their ignorance, its been you.  But since that’s apparently all you have to offer…

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Why is this topic of any importance to you and why do you care?  If Louise Erdrich doesn’t want an honorary degree, whatever her reasons are, then she doesn’t want it.  Why is there the need to discredit her or her beliefs?

Slam!  Batman, you’re so perfect!  I relent!  I give up!  you’re too powerful!

BULLSHIT!  You bigot.  The only reason I talk to you like this is because this is the only language you understand.

Tell you what, your rhetoric is cute.  Keep it up.

whistler, I’m not ignoring you.  You’re cute too.  Still not addressing any issues.  You’re one of the biggest name callers in here.

You’re the one making everything silly.  Silly boy.

Hey Zig!  You’re a funny guy!  Your logo joke is shit.

Slam!  Batman, you’re so perfect!  I relent!  I give up!  you’re too powerful!

BULLSHIT!  You bigot.  The only reason I talk to you like this is because this is the only language you understand.

Tell you what, your rhetoric is cute.  Keep it up.

Andy L on April 27, 2007 at 09:29 pm

whistler, I’m not ignoring you.  You’re cute too.  Still not addressing any issues.  You’re one of the biggest name callers in here.

You’re the one making everything silly.  Silly boy.

Andy L on April 27, 2007 at 09:32 pm

Hey Zig!  You’re a funny guy!  Your logo joke is shit.

When you use language like that and you comments look like that you pretty much lower yourself to the level of A BAG OF SHIT, or a missguided 6 year old, however, most half way intelegent 6 years olds can write better than that.

Check out:
Goon’s North Dakota Red Neck
Goon’s World

God I must be tired basically:

Andy Leftard, what I wanted to say was when you write stupid statements like that you look like a bag of shit. There that sounds better.

Check out:
Goon’s North Dakota Red Neck
Goon’s World

what I wanted to say was when you write stupid statements like that you look like a bag of shit.

goon: I don’t see any bag!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Goon,

Actually, I’ve known six year olds capable of far more literate communication, and far more interesting and imaginative insults, than anything Andy has managed so far.  Instead, we’re treated to the same, regurgitated “bigot,” “racist” and assorted other adolescent ad hominen.  It’s all so predictable… and boring.  You could sleep right through Andy’s entire tantrum and not feel as though you’ve missed anything.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Hey you guys!  You know what I noticed in the past few days I’ve been involved here?  None of you have responded to any pertinent questions that were asked by any of us “Indians”.  You only choose to demean us and call us names.  You try to relegate our comments to being beneath you.  I don’t care how many names you call me, the issue is that Rob Port is completely wrong and he insulted a large number of people.

Rob’s words can never be taken back and those of you who defend him do so blindly and only serve to make matters worse.

You’re all a bunch of bigots.

Bat...I love you!  You’re brilliant!

None of you have responded to any pertinent questions that were asked by any of us “Indians”.

You haven’t asked us any besides I whether or not we belong to some secret anti Indian group I’ve never heard of.

You only choose to demean us and call us names.

Ah that’s been you.  The only time you’ve been called a name that I recall is when Bat described you as an idiot.  Well you know if you act like an idiot someone’s going to come along and call you on it.

You try to relegate our comments to being beneath you. 

They’re probably even beneath you.  You haven’t done one thing to advance your cause.

I don’t care how many names you call me,

Then why are you crying about it.  Of course you care.  On the other hand you’ve inappropriately called us names but since it’s only made you look like an idiot we really don’t care.

the issue is that Rob Port is completely wrong

Many members of the reservation including those lobbying for more money would disagree with you.

and he insulted a large number of people.

Wrong again.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

You’re one of the biggest name callers in here.

Not really.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Thanks Whistler!  As usual, you have the upper hand!  It must be nice to be so consistently condescending and paternalistic.  I feel so demeaned!  Thanks for putting me in my place.

Keep up the good work!  You bigot.

Sorry you can’t disagree with a person without calling them a “bigot”

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

That’s right, Whistler...you are sorry!

LOL

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Especially for Andy...last of the Mohicans…
click on the link Magua...[link]

All who have meditated on the art of governing mankind have been convinced that the fate of empires depends on the education of youth. —Aristotle ...

Don’t worry, Whistler!
Andy L. (picture: thumb and index finger at 90° angle across forehead) probably thinks “bigot” is a French word, pronounced “ “Beeg -Oh” like Big O tires…
Maybe he thinks it’s a compliment…

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Joel, clicked on your comment, like you suggested.  Already read it once, not necessary to read it again.  Many of the things this red lake man talks about are true on many reservations.  We have mechanisms to correct our own problems without interference from outsiders.  I imagine you are non-Indian.  Am I correct?  Have you ever lived on a reservation?  Do you know how the politics work?  Do you understand the relaionship each member has with his or her reservation community?  Anyway, you’re not telling me anything new.

Proof and Whistler, ha ha.  You guys are so funny!

Bigot, by the way, originates from old french.  It’s a noun and is defined as “a person who is intolerant, esp. in matters of religion, race or politics.

Looks like y’all fit the description to a T.

Also, it’s not a compliment.  When I call you guys bigots, I mean it.

Bigot, by the way, originates from old french.  It’s a noun and is defined as “a person who is intolerant, esp. in matters of religion, race or politics.

To be quite frank there’s only been one bigot in this thread and any of the related threads.

Sorry Charley.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

And the bigot is you!  Come on little doggie! Admit it!

I knew you wouldn’t understand. 

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Also, it’s not a compliment.  When I call you guys bigots, I mean it.

We know you mean it. You can’t tell your ass from a hole in the ground, but you mean it! And when we mock you for your ignorance and bigotry, we return the favor!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

So, andy, you are ashamed of your Native American heritage? No big surprise. Drug dealing, race-baiting poverty pimps such as yourself are always self-hating fuckbags.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

Right on Andy L! What is up with Rob Port and his cronies. I’ll bet they grew up dreaming about Native Americans. It’s just that no Native American will get close enough....I’ll tell you what boys/girls/monkey The point here is Native Americans don’t want to be apart of your topic, it’s that simple. We have our own way of Communicating, our own Constitutions, our own Colleges, our own Hospitals, our own News Papers, Our own Lawyers, Our own Doctors, our own Authors, our own governments and anything else is our own. You do not have my permission to discuss our issues.

The point here is Native Americans don’t want to be apart of your topic, it’s that simple. We have our own way of Communicating, our own Constitutions, our own Colleges, our own Hospitals, our own News Papers, Our own Lawyers, Our own Doctors, our own Authors, our own governments and anything else is our own. You do not have my permission to discuss our issues.
Xene on April 29, 2007 at 01:40 am

If you’re truly that independent and don’t want or need help, then give us back the fucking $9 billion went spent on your sorry asses in the past three years.....

All who have meditated on the art of governing mankind have been convinced that the fate of empires depends on the education of youth. —Aristotle ...

We have our own way of Communicating, our own Constitutions, our own Colleges, our own Hospitals, our own News Papers, Our own Lawyers, Our own Doctors, our own Authors, our own governments and anything else is our own.

That may be your opinion or even the views of your tribe but I don’t for one minute believe that all Indians live by that creed.  Most Indians I have encountered believe they are Americans first and whatever their tribe origin second.  If you thought that way you wouldn’t make ridiculous statements like

You do not have my permission to discuss our issues.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

We will discuss anything we want. And we will discuss your pissant problems because it pisses you off.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

All you white boy monkeys!  Xene is right and you know it.  The only reason y’all are being so obnoxious is because you’re all a bunch of namby pamby bigots and don’t like it when someone calls a spade a spade.

Hotel, Doc and Joel...get a life!

All you white boy monkeys!

Andy the Bigot. Are you hoping by this that someone will respond in kind so that you can engage in more of your silly racial politics?

The only reason y’all are being so obnoxious

Actually considering your ignorance and rudeness we’ve been quite polite, but you wouldn’t know about that.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

We have lives, own our homes and businesses, and do not live on welfare like you do. Your venomous self-loathing is clearly evident from everything you post in these threads. Your pathetic envy of other people and their lives is what is dragging you down. Your mind has been poisoned. I feel bad for your children, they have to overcome your racism and blind hatred for all things American before they can build successful lives. What a pity.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

All you white boy monkeys!

None are so blind that they do not wish to see.

Andy, you and Xene wish to be automonous.  Go ahead.  Build a wall around your existance and never venture out of it.  No one will miss you.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

We’ve had a similar issue in WI with the Marquette Warriors.  The University changed the name based on criticism from a small vocal offended minority within the largely non-offended minority.  Seems to me, that some people are professional “get offendeders” with very little reason.  If honoring a heritage is wrong, what should we do, ignore the heritage???  Wouldn’t that be bad for multi-culturalists (and I’m one of those)???  Maybe the offended could offer some creative input in how to do the honoring, but seeking outright abolishment makes little sense.

Beav

http://www.RealWisconsinNews.com

BTW, there’s a pretty funny article at http://www.RealWisconsinNews.com entitled Indian Wars Reheat.  Front page.

Beav

http://www.RealWisconsinNews.com

The University changed the name based on criticism from a small vocal offended minority

Caving in to small minority complaints has reached epidemic levels in this country and in parts of the world.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Hey beav.  Is that you?  The beav at Real Wisconsin News?  Wow, you must be real proud of the drivel.  Good job!  Another site that attacks Natives. 

You know what?  You guys are a dime a dozen.

Real Wisconsin News?  Cheesy!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Wisconsin is real? 

I had no idea?  I thought it was like Shangri-La or Disneyland.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Wisconsin is real? 

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Wisconsin is real.  I have relatives that live at Lac du Flambeau and Minocqua.  It’s a beautiful place.

Only thing, bigots reside over there too.  Remember Stop Treaty Abuse (STA for “Crist” sake) and “Treaty Beer”?  Left a bad taste in everyones mouths.  Spear an Indian - Save a Fish?  Wow, what tactics.  Even David Duke and the Posse Comitatus was involved.  You know what they say...Birds of a Feather!

Kegger and Beav are from there!  Now they are joining in with the rest of the republican bigots at Dakota Beacon.  Steve Cates!  He’s a pig too.  Rob Porta potty?  He’s a pig too.  Kegger and Beav?  Pigs.

OINK. OINK. OINK.

Andy: I’ve got an idea! If you can’t refute what people say, call them names! Oh, sorry! You already got the idea! My bad!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Kegger and Beav are from there!

Yes we are!!!  And yes, I will take credit for making fun of the Indian tribes here acting like greedy kids protecting their candy.  Did you actually read the article or study the issue???  I’m guessing not, because it’s a great piece of satire.  Got mentioned on two radio programs. 

http://www.RealWisconsinNews.com

The semi-official view from fly-over country. 

And yes, Wisconsin kicks ass, except in January when it’s wayyyyyyyy to damn cold to even play outside.  (Actually, if it weren’t for Holiday parties, the last six weeks of the year suck too, cold and wet, very crummy.  The other 40 weeks though, pretty nice.)

Beav

http://www.RealWisconsinNews.com

If honoring a heritage is wrong, what should we do, ignore the heritage???  Wouldn’t that be bad for multi-culturalists (and I’m one of those)???  Maybe the offended could offer some creative input in how to do the honoring, but seeking outright abolishment makes little sense.

Andy, what is your suggestion for the school name and all the other things, i.e. highway signs, which are attempts to honor the Sioux heritage.  Is it the artwork that needs changing?  The actual names?  The song lyrics?  What?  What is offending and needs tweeking to be sufficiently honorable?  I think everybody wants that.  Maybe that’s where you should focus.

BTW, I’m Italian, and I laff at the idiotas who complain about the Sopranos.  Fuck them, and fuck you too for calling me a racist you ignorant puke.

Beav

http://www.RealWisconsinNews.com

Check this out!  I posted at the other site, thought you guys might want to see it here too.  The modern anti-Indian advocacy emanates from a white “backlash” against progress made by various tribes since the 1960s.  Tribes have increased legal power through enforcement of various treaty rights.  In Washington State, former senator Gorton fought tribes for many years because of his hatred of Indians and the fact that they won substantial treaty rights through the courts while he was attorney general for the state.  Fishing rights!  Hunting rights!  Water rights!  Jurisdictional rights!  The increased legal powers supposedly infringe on the “liberties” of individual white tax payers.  Whites are now the new Indians!  They are oppressed and victimized by “Red Apartheid”. 

There is a real agenda in this country to roll back Indian rights.  Rob, check it out!  Maybe you already realize all of this and are establishing yourself as a primary vehicle to begin the roll back!

We Indians have faced obstacles far greater than this before, and we have overcome!  In Wisconsin (beav and kegger’s state), tribal members, Chippewa Indians just like us at Turtle Mountain, were called “Timber niggers”, “welfare warriors”, and other demeaning characterizations.  I’ll guarantee that privately they laugh about such characterizations that Indians drive “Welfare Cadillacs”.  These are their tactics!  Don’t let them sucker you in!  Many of these filth spewing idiots even advocate total genocide as a final solution!  We are considered children, willing to accept handouts as a single means of survival.  They also believe that a vast majority of Indians are passive and easily controlled by the more aggressive and greedy.

PARR, ICERR, CERA, TEA and other anti-Indian groups are national in scope and have thousands of members!  Just like with the KKK in years past, many of them are covert and would never admit to membership.  The easiest way to identify them is to look at how they present there hidden agendas!

Another tactic they use - “We’re not racist” and “We’re only concerned that you people have equal rights guaranteed by our constitution”.

There are many in Indian Country that have a true understanding of what’s going on.  As Indian people, we have fought giants in the past.  We have taken on conglomerates to protect Mother Earth!  Don’t let these guys get the best of you.  Keep your focus!  Stay united, and stay strong!