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Not to be a stickler, but do you realize that’s the Washington Times, not the Washington Post?

The thing that sounds ridiculous is that the Senator picked up a piece of toilet paper off of a public restroom floor.  Now if it wasn’t his, then that is pretty sick, although not as sick as what he is accused of. 

The Senator is an older man.  Does an older man grip the right stall wall with his left hand in order to pick something up with his right?  Doesn’t seem to impossible except that he denies touching the stall with his left hand.  Maybe he just doesn’t remember doing so? 

Sounds like the case comes down to the word and perception of the officer against the word of Sen. Craig.  It seems likely though, that if this accusation is true, there would be others who “know” the senator in this way.

Ouch, the conservative Washington Times published it not the WAPO, yet Rob will still stand by his statement that the WaPo wouldn’t publish it if it were a Dem.  Hardly, though since the published the impeachment/Clinton deposition tapes. 

But let’s not quibble here, WaPo v Wash Times, eh?

Unless Rob’s point was to show that the Wash Times would post and Wapo wouldn’t.  Not clear what point here is.  Rob?

HG, sounds like he was playing “Twister” in the bathroom stall.  And don’t tell me we all aren’t going to reinact this the next time we’re in a bathroom stall or in the privacy of our home bathrooms.  Just a sec,will be right back.

Ok I’m back, nope, can’t be done.  With a wide stance, sitting down (so his pants won’t fall down), grabs the right stall wall with left hand, picks up paper on the floor.  Ok guys don’t try this or you will be seeing your chiropractor in the morning.

(so his pants won’t fall down)

This works and is good hygeine (keeps one’s pants off the bathroom floor).  Why then put one’s hand on the bathroom floor for cryin’ out loud?  It would seem poor hygiene to subject one’s hand to that before one’s pants.

Ok I’m back, nope, can’t be done.

Puzzle,

LOL.

Okay, I have to ask.  How is it you live so close to a public restroom with internet access?

Just kiddin’.

Good one HG, I actually used my bathroom and pretended the bathtub was the wall.  I improvised a bit.  thanks for the chuckle.

If “cruising” is a crime, then there are at least two Democrats who are guilty of doing that with children under age 18.  Is it also a crime to “cruise” for a date in a bar?  What crime did this guy commit.  Yes, I believe that homosexuality is a sin as well as immoral.

Communism is evil

Chief, go back and read all the threads.  He plead guilty, he signed the plea agreement voluntarily, knowingly and intelligently.  He had the reports and agreed with the reports when he signed them and waived his constitutional rights. He’s toast. He violated Minnesota law and admitted he did.

What crime did this guy commit.
Chief RZ on August 30, 2007 at 06:58 pm

Are you naive? Can’t you figure it out?
The man was looking for love. But then looking for love is not a crime.
Would you want anyone “cruising” at your church’s bathroom?
Get a life Chief RZ.

I think a much greater problem to the Republican Party and Conservatism than Craig’s misdeeds, is the number of conservatives willing to defend the indefensible. No matter how some here twist and contort facts to defend Craig; he was spending time alone in a men’s bathroom, for whatever reason he was peeping or looking into an occupied stall, his foot touched the foot of the man in the next stall and that has to be a deliberate act, no sane human being picks up a piece of paper off a urine stained or contaminated public bathroom floor and he confessed to a misdemeanor for mysterious reasons, especially if he was innocent.

It is beyond all sane reason that any man cannot see that these were deliberate acts, in a very unsavory locale, Craig doing very weird things. To not see the truth here is to deliberately close ones eyes to common sense. Whether Rob in his omniscience has decided this should or should not be a crime, the people of Minnesota do not want men soliciting sex from other men in public places and Craig broke that law. But, as we have seen in other threads on this subject, many people are so filled with fear that Craig is guilty that they are engaging in verbal gymnastics to defend a man who needs to resign and clean up his own house.

It is folly to suggest Democrats engage in cruising for sex, I don’t care, they applaud sexual perversion. It is only important if Craig violated the trust of his constituents, his party and caused harm to his family and friends. Some have said they don’t care if people solicit sex in public places, so let me hear from you when your young daughter, wife or sister or other close female member of your family is solicited when she had ever right to expect not to be thus assaulted. Or, how about your young son, perhaps a young teenager he is asked to engage in homosexual acts, will you be so tolerant then or kick some pervert’s butt?

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

A liberal lawyer wants to save Craig
from his plea.

Sen. Craig pleaded guilty by mail, not in person. So there is no oral advisement

It’s not enough for the defendant to say he is proceeding without counsel. He must be advised of his right to counsel and waive that right. (State v. Vieburg, 404 N.W.2d 312, 314 (Minn. App. 1987.)

An accused has the right to withdraw his plea of guilty upon establishing a denial of his right to counsel.

2.1. There is no indication on the record that Vieburg was ever advised of his right to counsel. Not only must a defendant be informed of his right to counsel before pleading guilty, he must make a knowing and intelligent waiver of that right on the record.

Being advised of Miranda rights after an arrest is not the same thing as being advised of the right to counsel before pleading guilty. The former can’t substitute for the latter.

By Jeralyn , TalkLeft

Craig is burnt toast anyway.

The cop is lying.

He plead guilty, he signed the plea agreement voluntarily, knowingly and intelligently.

I don’t know how many times this has to be say, but we aren’t arguing that he’s innocent under current law.  What we’re saying is that he shouldn’t be guilty of a crime under the law (until he actually engages in some lewd behavior in public) because the law is so broadly written as to be absurd.

Setting the law aside entirely, I don’t think he really did anything all that wrong in the bathroom.  The only reason I’m in favor of him being taken from a leadership role in Congress is because he was cheating on his wife in that bathroom.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

I really feel no need to rubber-neck with this guy. I’m listening to music, there’s no need to hear this. I know all I need to know about him. He was in a public bathroom and the side of his foot touched someone else’s. All else aside, we know that one to be a fact. That’s never an accident unless he was falling down and turning into a pretzel.

This is all too bad, because he’s got most of the conservative ideals down pat. The guy turns out to be a disgusting twink. And so life goes…

It’s times like these that the double standard should be brought up. If this guy was a Democrat, this episode would be a resume enhancer. That said, this guy isn’t a Democrat. Senator Craig will be held to standards. Out he goes.

dear ladies and gentlemen:

please consider that your views are the result of a perspective limited by the democrat versus republican dichotomy that mainstream america postulates. 

after one transcends this fictitious propagation what remains is a man (referring to sen. craig) and his actions.

what craig did or did not do is the issue.  this man has already plead guilty to a reduced charge. 

however, reopening the case to overturn his prior plea could prove most incriminating by leading us to ask more intelligent questions (about craig’s character):

has he solicited homosexual relations before?
has he been accused of inappropriate relations with underage males before?
has he owned any cher records in his life and knows the lyrics to at least one song?

(i could give two shits about this man being gay, or just a little gay.  his hiporcrisy with respect to his anti-gay legislation voting record also is irrelevant.  he broke minnesota law and now he must face the consequences of his actions.  although, ayn rand’s quote from atlas shrugged took me back to my junior high days and my heart skipped a beat, rob: how ‘bout applying this quote in the context of the federal government’s current marijuana laws?)

his hiporcrisy with respect to his anti-gay legislation voting record also is irrelevant.

What are you talking about?

The RNC is expected to call for Craig’s resignation today. One more hypocrtical Repub down...who’s next?

FE

Sources in Idaho are saying that Craig will resign today. Maybe if he changed parties and came out of the closet, he could stay. ;>)

FE

likwidshoe:

This is all too bad, because he’s got most of the conservative ideals down pat. The guy turns out to be a disgusting twink. And so life goes…

While I agree with much of what you said, forgive me for observing that the word ‘twink’ meaning homosexual, was a little unkind and unnecessary to your other fine points.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.