Atheists Harassed At Military Base In Iraq, New York Times Uses It To Condemn Entire Military

This sort of thing is completely unnecessary.

FORT RILEY, Kan. — When Specialist Jeremy Hall held a meeting last July for atheists and freethinkers at Camp Speicher in Iraq, he was excited, he said, to see an officer attending.
But minutes into the talk, the officer, Maj. Freddy J. Welborn, began to berate Specialist Hall and another soldier about atheism, Specialist Hall wrote in a sworn statement. “People like you are not holding up the Constitution and are going against what the founding fathers, who were Christians, wanted for America!” Major Welborn said, according to the statement.
Major Welborn told the soldiers he might bar them from re-enlistment and bring charges against them, according to the statement.
Last month, Specialist Hall and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group, filed suit in federal court in Kansas, alleging that Specialist Hall’s right to be free from state endorsement of religion under the First Amendment had been violated and that he had faced retaliation for his views. In November, he was sent home early from Iraq because of threats from fellow soldiers.

Is Specialist Hall 100% right in this issue? Probably not. Iraq, undoubtedly, is a pretty tense place and adding religious turmoil to the mix is a recipe for trouble. If Hall was rabble-rousing that certainly has no place on deployment. But even so, Hall has a right to exercise his beliefs every bit as much as his fellow soldiers. I’m sure there is bible study in Iraq, so why not a meeting for atheists?
Fair is fair. If Major Welborn’s actions are accurately described above (and I’m certainly not going to take the New York Times’ word for it) he should have been the one sent home from Iraq. Not Spc. Hall.
The real problem here is that the New York Times is taking this isolated, though admittedly ugly, situation and trying to turn it into some sort of blanket condemnation of the military in general:

Specialist Hall’s lawsuit is the latest incident to raise questions about the military’s religion guidelines. In 2005, the Air Force issued new regulations in response to complaints from cadets at the Air Force Academy that evangelical Christian officers used their positions to proselytize. In general, the armed forces have regulations, Ms. Lainez said, that respect “the rights of others to their own religious beliefs, including the right to hold no beliefs.”
To Specialist Hall and other critics of the military, the guidelines have done little to change a culture they say tilts heavily toward evangelical Christianity. Controversies have continued to flare, largely over tactics used by evangelicals to promote their faith. Perhaps the most high-profile incident involved seven officers, including four generals, who appeared, in uniform and in violation of military regulations, in a 2006 fund-raising video for the Christian Embassy, an evangelical Bible study group.
“They don’t trust you because they think you are unreliable and might break, since you don’t have God to rely on,” Specialist Hall said of those who proselytize in the military. “The message is, ‘It’s a Christian nation, and you need to recognize that.’ ”

That’s a rather serious accusation, but there’s actually not a lot of evidence to back it up. A fact the New York Times buries in the story:

It is unclear how widespread religious discrimination or proselytizing is in the armed forces, constitutional law experts and leaders of veterans’ groups said. No one has independently studied the issue, and service members are reluctant to come forward because of possible backlash, those experts said.
There are 1.36 million active duty service members, according to the Pentagon, and since 2005, it has received 50 formal complaints of religious discrimination, Ms. Lainez said.

50 complaints out of 1.36 million active-duty members of the military.
That’s not exactly an epidemic, even if some complaints are suppressed because of fear of retaliation. But hey, it’s a negative story about the military so the Times isn’t going to let trifling things like “facts” get in their way.

Tags: , , , , ,


«
»
  • http://www.authorsofthebible.com/ Fred Glynn

    The Marine Corps has been forcing recruits to attend religious services during Basic Training at Parris Island and San Diego for over 50 years. When I went through basic training at Parris Island I was told that I had a choice of three services–Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish. Because I had been raised as an Episcopalian, I “chose” to attend the Protestant service. The chaplain turned out to be a Southern Baptist which, for an Episcopalian, resulted in severe culture shock. When, after two unbearable Sundays, I requested to be exempted, the Senior Drill Instructor informed me that I then had two choices, Catholic or Jewish. I chose the Jewish service and was happy that I did because the rabbi smuggled things we were strictly forbidden to have during basic training–cakes and cookies which the Jewish mothers of Beaufort, S.C. had lovingly baked, and Coca-Cola But it wasn’t only boot camp. Religion was forced upon us for the entire length of our enlistment and I understand that that continues to be the case. The protestant chaplains were singularly ignorant, bigoted men. Because I had attended Jewish “services” my dog-tags said that I was Jewish and that proved to have some wonderful but unintended consequences: I was able to use my dog-tags to get out of Friday night barracks cleanups and inspections because I had to go to temple! When I was at NAS Jacksonville (Florida) one of the other men asked me how I had managed to escape the cleanup. When I showed him my dog taqs he saw the light and had his changed that very week. The next Friday night came and I had someone to go drinking with me. His last name was Fuentes. My final conclusion? I wish that the military would stop forcing people to attend religious services but, until then, think about how to make it work for you!

  • Peter

    Well, this is not the first bit of news about this issue of freedom of conscience in the military. There was widespread religious harassment at the Air Force Academy. And, as my grammy used to say, when you see a mouse, you can count there being a dozen more you’ll never see. 50 reports means between 500 to 5000 cases. Given 1.36 million service members, we can figure that about 25,000 (about 2% or so) are atheists. So maybe about 2% to 20% or so of them are subject to harassment for their beliefs on the nature of the universe and the origins of humankind. That is pretty pathetic, if not Armageddon. But we don’t have a draft any more, so the military is no longer the place where a Brooklyn Jew and a Kansas Christian can meet for the first time and learn that the former doesn’t have horns, and the latter isn’t a holy roller, but a fairly reasonable guy. Yet another reason for the draft (yes, now that I’m way too old for it).

  • pparets

    “In foxholes, there are no athiests.”

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    [Geez - the new SAB still has a glitch to be worked out]

    Actually, there have been quite a few articles about how the higher-ups are trying to suppress religion in the military, including severe punishment threatened for referring to non-generic religious figures.

    Padres have been threatened for using such phrases as ‘we pray, in Jesus’ name, Amen‘ and similar:

    Seventy-three members of Congress have joined the request, saying in an Oct. 25 letter to the president, “In all branches of the military, it is becoming increasingly difficult for Christian chaplains to use the name of Jesus when praying.”

    About 80 percent of U.S. troops are Christian, the legislators wrote, adding that military “censorship” of chaplains’ prayers disenfranchises “hundreds of thousands of Christian soldiers in the military who look to their chaplains for comfort, inspiration and support.”

    Official military policy allows any sort of prayer, but Lt. Klingenschmitt says that in reality, evangelical Protestant prayers are censored. He cites his training at the Navy Chaplains School in Newport, R.I., where “they have clipboards and evaluators who evaluate your prayers, and they praise you if you pray just to God,” he said. “But if you pray in Jesus’ name, they counsel you.”…
    The Navy allows chaplains to pray in the name of Jesus Christ, Allah or any other deity during chapel services, spokeswoman Lt. Erin Bailey said.

    At other public events, “Navy chaplains are encouraged to be sensitive to the needs of all those present,” she said, “and may decline an invitation to pray if not able to do so for conscience reasons.”

    I know that if I’ve been on the wrong end of a firefight, I’m holding my guts in with half of a mess kit and the chaplain comes around, I want the real deal, not some non-denominational, generic, government-approved, PC Deity.

  • robert108

    In November, he was sent home early from Iraq because of threats from fellow soldiers.

    Maybe that’s the real story here; he wanted to go home.

  • http://www.authorsofthebible.com/ Fred Glynn

    The Marine Corps has been forcing recruits to attend religious services during Basic Training at Parris Island and San Diego for over 50 years. When I went through basic training at Parris Island I was told that I had a choice of three services–Catholic, Protestant, or Jewish. Because I had been raised as an Episcopalian, I “chose” to attend the Protestant service. The chaplain turned out to be a Southern Baptist which, for an Episcopalian, resulted in severe culture shock. When, after two unbearable Sundays, I requested to be exempted, the Senior Drill Instructor informed me that I then had two choices, Catholic or Jewish. I chose the Jewish service and was happy that I did because the rabbi smuggled things we were strictly forbidden to have during basic training–cakes and cookies which the Jewish mothers of Beaufort, S.C. had lovingly baked, and Coca-Cola But it wasn’t only boot camp. Religion was forced upon us for the entire length of our enlistment and I understand that that continues to be the case. The protestant chaplains were singularly ignorant, bigoted men. Because I had attended Jewish “services” my dog-tags said that I was Jewish and that proved to have some wonderful but unintended consequences: I was able to use my dog-tags to get out of Friday night barracks cleanups and inspections because I had to go to temple! When I was at NAS Jacksonville (Florida) one of the other men asked me how I had managed to escape the cleanup. When I showed him my dog taqs he saw the light and had his changed that very week. The next Friday night came and I had someone to go drinking with me. His last name was Fuentes. My final conclusion? I wish that the military would stop forcing people to attend religious services but, until then, think about how to make it work for you!

  • docdave

    When Specialist Jeremy Hall held a meeting last July for atheists and freethinkers

    I love it when atheists pretend that only they are ‘free thinkers’. A bit arrogant? Anyway just what kind of meeting was it, and was it held at the exclusion of non-atheists and other non-free thinkers. As far as questions about the military’s religion guidelines , when did atheism become a religion with guiding principles [as the definition of religion implies]? Just asking…

  • Fred Glynn

    I signed up at the Marine Corps recruiting office in Boston for a three-year enlistment in 1957. The “form date” for Platoon 99, Second Battalion, MCRD Parris Island, was 17 April 1957 and the Graduation Date was 16 July, 1957.

    What I have said about attendance at religious services would be confirmed by any of the other 73 recruits in Platoon 99 who have survived.

    For the first two Sundays I attended the General Protestant service since I had been raised as an Episcopalian. For an Episcopalian to sit through a Southern Baptist service is culture-shock After that I attended the Jewish service–since no one could be excused.

    If any one had a different experience at Parris Island during the past 50 years, please state when you were there and under what circumstances.

    And, yes, it was BIZARRE. The Southern Baptist chaplain asked recruits to “make their decision for Jesus” without they’re being given any rational explanation as to why they should do that. “You’ll enjoy verlasting life,” and “Jesus will forgive your sins,” etc. was about the size of it.

    The result was that my dog-tags list my religion as “Jewish” which is rather remarkable considering that I am uncircumsized.

    I have heard, recently, from a former Marine, that the practice of forced attendance at religious services is still enforced.

    As for wanting the chaplain who prays over the wounded to be “the real deal”, which denomination do you think produces “the real deal”? The Southern Baptists? The Pentacostals? The Scientologists? The Mormons? The Assembly of God? If you don’t mind my asking, whose religion is the true one? Which religions does God recognize? Which religion does He prefer that people join? Why doesn’t God speak up for Himself, like a man? And how does God communicate with chaplains–does he rely upon flames in burning bushes? Or in sandstorms like the one that Ezekiel saw? Or in thunder and lightning? And what languages does He speak?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Forced religion?

    I find that bizarre.

    Even in PI, at least when I went through Paradise Island, it was optional. I never went. Of the non-attendees, pretty much the most of us, we sat on our ass in the middle of the squad bay, cleaned weapons, polished boots and wrote letters home to Suzy Rottencrotch.

    And then once out in the Fleet, whether deployed, at MCB, in Battalion or FSSG, I never heard of forced religion.

    Where and when did you serve?

    What outfits?

  • Christianity the Scummy Pseudo

    Any Soldier who harrasses another for being atheist deserves to have his head blown off in battle and for the head sent to his family.

  • Fred Glynn

    I signed up at the Marine Corps recruiting office in Boston for a three-year enlistment in 1957. The “form date” for Platoon 99, Second Battalion, MCRD Parris Island, was 17 April 1957 and the Graduation Date was 16 July, 1957.

    What I have said about attendance at religious services would be confirmed by any of the other 73 recruits in Platoon 99 who have survived.

    For the first two Sundays I attended the General Protestant service since I had been raised as an Episcopalian. For an Episcopalian to sit through a Southern Baptist service is culture-shock After that I attended the Jewish service–since no one could be excused.

    If any one had a different experience at Parris Island during the past 50 years, please state when you were there and under what circumstances.

    And, yes, it was BIZARRE. The Southern Baptist chaplain asked recruits to “make their decision for Jesus” without they’re being given any rational explanation as to why they should do that. “You’ll enjoy verlasting life,” and “Jesus will forgive your sins,” etc. was about the size of it.

    The result was that my dog-tags list my religion as “Jewish” which is rather remarkable considering that I am uncircumsized.

    I have heard, recently, from a former Marine, that the practice of forced attendance at religious services is still enforced.

    As for wanting the chaplain who prays over the wounded to be “the real deal”, which denomination do you think produces “the real deal”? The Southern Baptists? The Pentacostals? The Scientologists? The Mormons? The Assembly of God? If you don’t mind my asking, whose religion is the true one? Which religions does God recognize? Which religion does He prefer that people join? Why doesn’t God speak up for Himself, like a man? And how does God communicate with chaplains–does he rely upon flames in burning bushes? Or in sandstorms like the one that Ezekiel saw? Or in thunder and lightning? And what languages does He speak?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Forced religion?

    I find that bizarre.

    Even in PI, at least when I went through Paradise Island, it was optional. I never went. Of the non-attendees, pretty much the most of us, we sat on our ass in the middle of the squad bay, cleaned weapons, polished boots and wrote letters home to Suzy Rottencrotch.

    And then once out in the Fleet, whether deployed, at MCB, in Battalion or FSSG, I never heard of forced religion.

    Where and when did you serve?

    What outfits?

Create a SAB Readerblog


Recent Comments

Powered by Disqus

Blog Advice and Support
Installs and Upgrades
Theme Modifications
Custom Plugins
Theme Design
Conversions and Relocations
Hacked Site Recovery
Mobile Apps Development