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Thursday, June 21, 2007

Atheist Group From Wisconsin Sues North Dakota Over Use Of Religious Group For Troubled Teens

This is news in the New York Times of all places, and adds on to some other atheists vs. the government news we’ve had lately concerning a 10 commandments monument on city property in Fargo.

The complaint was brought Tuesday in a federal court in North Dakota by the Freedom From Religion Foundation, acting on behalf of three of the state’s taxpayers. It is the most recent in a spate of legal challenges to public financing of religion-based programs.

The foundation, a group of atheists and agnostics, argues that the state’s Division of Juvenile Services and the Ward County Social Services Department should stop committing children with behavioral and emotional problems to the Dakota Boys and Girls Ranch, which, according to the ranch’s Web site, helps “children and families succeed in the name of Christ.” The ranch — actually an association that provides a variety of residential and day programs around the state — and directors of the two government agencies are named as defendants.

The complaint says that “children are disciplined for refusing to participate in the spiritual aspects” of their therapy and that objectionable behavior is deemed a “corruption in the eyes of Jesus Christ.”

“This is much more troubling than other cases,” said Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the foundation, “because it is a captive audience and a vulnerable population that is unabashedly being indoctrinated in Christianity. They are being committed by the county or the state without their consent.”

The name of the group, Freedom From Religion, is more than a little obnoxious.  The constitution guarantees the freedom of religion, not freedom from religion.  Far too many people, including these busybody atheist groups who don’t seem to have anything better to do with their time than get the vapors over even the smallest hint of religion in government, misunderstand this.  As long as, in any given issue, the government is not a) establishing a religion or favoring one over the others or b) preventing the free practice of religion by citizens there is nothing unconstitutional about religion in government.

If the state wants to contract with a religious outfit as an option for helping troubled teens that’s perfectly acceptable.

But all that aside, I do think this lawsuit may have a bit of merit.  I’m not familiar enough with with out juvenile justice system to know for sure, but I believe the Boys Ranch may be one of the only options courts/social workers have for helping troubled teens.  And if that’s true, the state needs to find a second outfit to provide secular care.  Because while religion isn’t necessarily a bad thing (even this atheist sees some benefits to spiritual teachings, even if only for the moral and ethics lessons), teens going through the juvenile justice process should have a secular alternative available.  Because like it or not, not everyone in our population is Christian, or even religious.

Perhaps there is a secular alternative to the Dakota Boy’s Ranch here in the state (or maybe the Boy’s Ranch is capable of providing a secular program), and if that’s true I doubt this lawsuit has any merit.

(via Bismarck Dems)

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Interesting. Following that particularly stupid piece of logic, I wonder if they’ll sue our local governments here in south Louisiana next for allowing religious organizations to help the tens of thousands of people displaced by Katrina.

After Katrina I saw the Mormons (who were first with the most), the Baptists, the Catholics and others here with food, shelter, water, and counseling.

Know what? I didn’t see ONE atheist or agnostic organization helping anyone with anything. I wonder what help THEY’RE offering those teens.


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Pilgrim on June 21, 2007 at 12:04 pm

Oh, by the way....whaddya wanna bet that in those long lines of people who were pleased and happy to get aid from those bad ol’ religious organizations there were some hungry and thirsty aetheists who accepted the food and water?

I’ll bet their principles didn’t get in the way then!


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Pilgrim on June 21, 2007 at 12:10 pm
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These people are clearly ignorant of history.  One of the first things that the Congress did straight after approving the Bill of Rights was to send money for the creation of churches and religious education for the Indians in the frontier.

The Founding Fathers were not antagonistic towards religion, but used it where appropriate.

MInTheGap on June 21, 2007 at 12:57 pm
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Well said, Pilgrim.  I would further note that the secularists’ pet programs--taken from our pockets, of course--are the federal and state welfare programs that are worsening the difficulty of the poor and downtrodden by literally paying them to form stupid habits.

Perhaps it would be good if funding were removed from this ranch.  Then they could really show the state’s pathetic version of helping the poor for what it is.

Robert Perry on June 21, 2007 at 01:04 pm

Rob is perhaps one of the most reasonable, fair-minded and consistent atheists I have ever encountered. As a Christian I could not have made the case above any better, including the suggestion for a secular alternative, whether at the same camp or through another organization.

If the parents know these young people are being exposed to a Christian theology and it doesn’t bother them, fine. If these juveniles are atheists or of another religion I wouldn’t want them forced to go to this program; but to object just because the organization has a Christian emphasis is ridiculous and our Founding Father’s would agree.

Bravo Rob!


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Neiman on June 21, 2007 at 02:13 pm
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I am glad to read that you think this lawsuit may have merit, although I was surprised as much of your tone throughout this post.

How can there be any meaningful freedom of religion without freedom from religion? Could it be that we atheists simply want to maintain the wall of separation between our government and religion?

The genius of our founding fathers in their decision to establish the secular democracy known as America was that they realized that both religion and government would be harmed by mixing them. Those who insist on blending religion and government do so only because it is their particular brand of religion they think should be favored. But they must imagine what it would be like to live in a country dominated by a religion different from their own. I suspect they would not care for this, just as we atheists do not care for all the “Christian nation” insanity going on.

You say that it is acceptable for the state to contract with religious agencies even while acknowledging that favoring one religion over others is problematic. Do you really not see selective funding as favoritism?

vjack on June 22, 2007 at 05:31 am
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I was at the Dakota Boys and Girls Ranch in Fargo dunno July of 05 for about 6 months and I do have to say that they do push religion down your throats, I am christian yet, the push me away from religion, for a long time because of the unfair treatment of the youth there.  If you choose not to go to church on sunday you had to do a packet about God if you refuse you had to sit in your room and do nothing until the packet was complete, and Ruth the religious advisor there is a complete nut case.  She had lectures on different faiths, and saying “they aren’t real” at the time we had three youth that calmed to be wiccan, and I remember one fought hard to get his tarot cards on the site, she faught hard not to allow it. In the end his therapist said it was needed in his treatment.  Dunno where I am going with this just that if you want a christain treatment center DBGR is a good place, if you want your youth to be allowed to choose there own beleifs it isn’t. Lucky I got out any longer I don’t think the Big Man would be allowed in my life with all of Ruth’s pushyness.

from ND on June 24, 2008 at 01:09 am
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The site provides information regarding religious group for troubled teens. Some unexpected truths have been disclosed that different group is formed related with the troubled teens.

http://www.ala4christ.com/

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