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Thursday, May 10, 2007

After Virginia Tech Even Talking About Concealed Weapons Is Grounds For Expulsion

A pathetic display of liberal arrogance at an American university.

After the Virginia Tech shooting, a concealed-weapons permit holder sends two emails to Hamline University school administrators complaining about their crackdown on weapons on campus, arguing that the students of Hamline University needed to be encouraged to take a hand in their own self defense more than they needed grief counseling.

The response from the school?  The suspended the poor guy and made therapy mandatory before he could be considered for reinstatement.

On April 23, Scheffler received a letter informing him he’d been placed on interim suspension. To be considered for readmittance, he’d have to pay for a psychological evaluation and undergo any treatment deemed necessary, then meet with the dean of students, who would ultimately decide whether Scheffler was fit to return to the university.

The consequences were severe. Scheffler wasn’t allowed to participate in a final group project in his course on Human Resources Management, which will have a big impact on his final grade. Even if he’s reinstated, the suspension will go on his permanent record, which could hurt the aspiring law student.

“‘Oh, he’s the crazy guy that they called the cops on.’ How am I supposed to explain that to the Bar Association?” Scheffler asks.

Amazing how simply advocating for the embrace of a specific right enumerated in the Constitution (it comes right after “free speech” and “free press” and “free religion") can get you sent to therapy.

I wonder how liberals would react if someone advocating abortion were forced to go to therapy by a religious university.

Comments

He should immediately file a law suit seeking a very large settlement for this denial of his civil rights and for the potential harm to his future income. I would hope they pay a billion dollars, but no matter what you and I would pay the bill not the uiversity.


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Neiman on May 10, 2007 at 11:02 am

AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!

What is wrong with these people? If the guy has a permit he’s already passed a background check - including a check into his psychological history.

If they had been half as diligent with Cho a whole lot of kids would be going on with their lives.

Un - effing - believeable.


Election ‘08 - We Are So Screwed

Pilgrim on May 10, 2007 at 11:20 am
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Contact Hamline:

Dean’s Council

Ombudsman

Phone: 651-523-2800

ss on May 10, 2007 at 12:10 pm
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This is a situation that I hope will be taken up by guys like FIRE and Mike Adams.

http://www.thefire.org/

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/MikeSAdams/

The best thing that can happen is this situation comes under a great deal of public scrutiny.

C.

Chris Brownell on May 10, 2007 at 04:05 pm
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Actually, it’s Hamline University in Minnesota.

Steve on May 10, 2007 at 04:22 pm

The college is Hamlin, a Methodist private school.  The school is in total violation of the students constitutional rights regardless of their private status and the student is looking into a lawsuit.

Now Scheffler is looking to hire a lawyer of his own. Even if Hamline lifts the suspension, he doubts he’ll return to campus, he says. “If they’re going to treat me that way before, how will they treat me after?”

Virtually every school who has tried to suppress speech has lost in court but they still keep trying.  You’d think that they would be smarter but probably due to their arrogance tempered with fear, they are acting like fools.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on May 10, 2007 at 05:13 pm

Thanks Steve. I changed it to the correct school.

likwidshoe on May 10, 2007 at 07:53 pm
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The privilege of carrying a concealed weapon is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

Ryan on May 11, 2007 at 10:49 am

The privilege of carrying a concealed weapon, like the privilege of driving, is regulated by the state and not by Hamlin college.

Nevertheless, its not carrying the concealed weapon that is being discussed, Ryan.  The school’s actions against Scheffler are in violation of his free speech rights, not his right to carry.  Which is why Scheffler’s lawsuit is almost certainly a winner.

Now, what would be even more delicious would be for Scheffler to enlist the ACLU in his suit against the school.  In fact, I’d be very surprised if the ACLU did not take this case.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on May 11, 2007 at 12:01 pm
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I think it would be hard to win on a free speech basis because the school is private.  He may have a basis for action in contract law.

Hawk on May 11, 2007 at 01:25 pm

Hawk,

Here’s a simple little analogy just for you.  Instead of punishing the student for what he wrote, which presents no discernible threat to anyone but objects to a policy (two policies, actually) and offers an alternative, let’s suppose that the school decided to suspend him for offering a prayer before meals at the student dining hall.  Same First Amendment, different Right being proscribed.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on May 11, 2007 at 02:41 pm
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You have a statuatory civil rights violation.  But there is no state action, so the first amendment does not apply.

Hawk on May 11, 2007 at 03:57 pm
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