At Last: Alerus Critics are Responsible for Sucktastic Alerus Concerts Failing

The Grand Forks Alerus Center

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Yesterday I posted on the Alerus Gang’s pathetic attempt to misdeceive the public about how the Britney Concert brought in so much money that it didn’t matter how much money the concert lost. Since then I’ve enjoyed participating in the comments to that thread.
Apparently some of the commenters got under Tami P’s skin.

I’m curious to know how many of you constant nay-sayers have ever bought a ticket to one of the events that you gripe about? For the Alerus Center – or any other business for that matter – to be successful, it requires patronage. Plain and simple. Every business that I can think of has their customers as their main focus and they conduct their business in a way that they feel is the biggest benefit to the most people.

So it’s our fault that the Alerus’s sucktastic concerts never fill up because we don’t do our part. I guess Tami thinks we owe it to the Alerus Gang to buy tickets to every crappy concert that they hold, according to here.
That is so pathetic. If the Alerus can’t get acts that are going to sell enough tickets to pay for the “artist” then they shouldn’t hold that concert. After all we’re not the ones that made all kinds of grandiose promises and held ourselves out to be experts. That was the Alerus gang.
Apparently Tami P. has an hard time understanding business. She must think that businesses own the customers. In fact the businesses that are successful work hard to offer their customers what they want. She sure doesn’t sound like somebody who’s got to justify her job in the marketplace everyday.
Or maybe I’m wrong. Maybe we’re deficient and don’t appreciate the many talents of Britney Spears. After all, according to the Herald review Britney’s a heck of a lip syncer. She struts around on stage and does hair tosses. She’s start a lap dance for a guy then cut him loose.

I’d like to see any of you try to manage a building like the Alerus Center for a year and see just how easy it is. You have all these “answers” about how the Alerus Center should be run but I’m willing to bet you wouldn’t be able to handle any of it. Imagine if your job was under constant scrutiny from the public all the time, if you had the city, a commission and a management company to report your every move to. The point is, you make the decisions that seem best at the time. No matter what, there will always be people who aren’t happy and complain.

Really this is all too bad. It’s not that people in the private sector have bosses or have the owners of their company watch their job.
The Alerus is so badly mismanaged that it’s obvious that the oversight is worthless. Just think the Alerus commission hurried up and extended the management company’s contract for five years right before the disastrous Britney concert. It sure doesn’t sound to me like they are worried about any kind of performance.
I was going to blog on that by my overseers were watching so I waited until I got home from work. It gets even better. Tami was right back at it.

You know what? I don’t care whether or not the Alerus makes money. It is an event center,

I guess I’d like Tami to explain why it is that my money should go to subsidize a Britney spears concert. Now the Alerus gang is still hiding the figures (and the executive director is in hiding), but I think it will be around $300,000. It was reported that Britney got paid around $750,000. That would mean that we had to subsidize 40% of the concert ticket.
Also in her rant Tami said something about having “hope” that events will be successful. I’d like to remind Tami that EVERY event at the Alerus is turning out to be a loser. It’s time to stop “hoping” and do something about the awful mismanagement at the Alerus.

If you take the REA out of the picture because 1.) it’s highly unusual that a town of this size has 2 arenas that you could literally fit the entire population of GF/EGF, into and 2.) it was privately funded by a donation so isn’t subject to this public scrutiny, what would you have? The Empire Arts Center, the Fritz, and the Civic perhaps. The same people who write these comments would then be complaining that there’s nothing to do, that they’re sick of driving to Fargo to see a concert or go to a sport show or whatever,

Excuse me, Tami. Why would you throw out the REA from your considerations of what the town would have without the Alerus just because it was built with private money. The fact is if the Alerus gang hadn’t been so pig headed they would have canceled their project and worked with Ralph Engelstad to build the best facility. Instead they lied through their teeth and made all kinds of promises that they knew they couldn’t keep.

GF needs something for people to do so we don’t lose the people in this city to other places

The Ralph really is there Tami.

Hope that the people of this community buy tickets and support the event? Bring in events that would never come to the area if they didn’t have a proper venue to perform in? Attempt to provide a variety of entertainment options for the community to enjoy? I can’t believe how ungrateful and ignorant most of the people that comment on these articles are
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Wow sounds like some anger issues there. We’re supposed to be grateful that we had the chance to see the washed up pop tart? Or maybe we’re just supposed to be grateful that we have the Alerus gang to lie to us.
And I guess we must be ignorant because we don’t appreciate good music like Brit. After all the Alerus gang knows best.
She goes on to blame the public for not supporting the Alerus when they did bring in a big name concert.
Now this is a long post and you might wonder what’s the point. Well the funny thing is, these comments sound like a person complaining about their job. Especially when she was whining about all the oversight that the Alerus people get.
And there is a Tami P. that works for the Alerus. Now I’ve got no proof that these two people are the same, but I think they are. I think these rants are coming from the management of the Alerus after they’ve lied and wasted our money.
So if you are the same person Tami, I want you to know that we don’t owe the Alerus anything. We’ve built you guys an 80 million dollar facility. If you can’t make something with that much capital behind you then we need a new management team.
I”m tired of being lied to by the Alerus gang, and I’m not going to be lectured how it’s our fault.

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  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    “bloggers.”

  • ec99

    Is any of this a surprise? The Alerus has been lying to the citizens of GF for years. They have been vacuuming money from the city to keep themselves afloat. The city council has looked the other way, mainly because of the interlocking relationship of the the Alerus, the bank, and them. Curt is on the council and the Alerus board. Gershman on the council and the the board of the Alerus bank. Neuman on the Alerus. Throw in the Herald, with a reporter who will never criticize the Alerus, and you have a myriad of people in authority whose only desire is to convince people the Alerus is a boon to the community. Then you have a prof at UND who proclaims the positive economic impact of the BS concert, without ever revealing what the basis of his study was. Interviewing a few ticket buyers? And this came out before the Alerus announced the loss? I can’t help but think that the city council, the Herald, and the Alerus cabal believe that the people of GF are stupid. Well, maybe on the whole, they are right.

  • jimmypop

    I’d like to see any of you try to manage a building like the Alerus Center for a year and see just how easy it is. You have all these “answers” about how the Alerus Center should be run but I’m willing to bet you wouldn’t be able to handle any of it. Imagine if your job was under constant scrutiny from the public all the time, if you had the city, a commission and a management company to report your every move to. The point is, you make the decisions that seem best at the time. No matter what, there will always be people who aren’t happy and complain.

    I LOVE THIS ANSWER! “your so smart, you do it!’ serious? what, are you 10? makes me think of the simpsons episode where the barbie doll says ‘math is hard’. anyway…. to I this I say, ‘out of my way, lady.’ these punks never seem to grasp not all of us clean floors for a living.

  • 2Hotel9

    Let me get this straight. They had Britney Spears there, and they slashed the price of the tickets? Britney Spears? And they slashed the ticket prices?

    How much were the tickets to begin with? Who is the moron running this operation? And why is their ass not sitting in jail?

  • Pfeh

    You know what? I don’t care whether or not the Alerus makes money. It is an event center,

    This is the most telling to me. If the Alerus was run as a business, it would have to book acts that could turn a profit. For an act to turn a profit, people would have to want to see it. 5-years-past-prime pop-tarts can’t draw in a money making crowd? Then why did the Alerus agree to pay a guaranteed fee if the act has no hope of profit?

    But I guess that thinking is much too negative. It’s an events center! We can book any act we want, and all it takes is to promise guaranteed fees from the never-ending well of tax dollars.

    Up next, Madonna! Cher! Barbara Streisand! All getting $2 million concert fees, guaranteed.

  • ec99

    “So, it is the taxpayers’ responsibility to subsidize entertainment for the cities political and business elite?”

    This was the idea from the very beginning…much like the dog park, the Empire Theater, and other taxpayer-subsidized entities.

  • jimmypop

    This was the idea from the very beginning…much like the dog park, the Empire Theater, and other taxpayer-subsidized entities.

    and there are public parks as well. the difference; the cost to maintain these places and the initial investment should be kept very little. these boxes cost tens of millions to build and MUCH, MUCH MORE to run and maintain.

  • 2Hotel9

    As I said, someone needs to be in jail of all of this malfeasance and corruption. You had Britney Spears, and you are telling me they could not pull a profit on THAT! No matter what adults think, kids will actually pay to see that crap, and pay well. So, if they lost money on it clearly someone is stealing from this operation.

  • ec99

    Ideally, the Alerus should rent itself out to promoters as a venue, essentially saying, “For x-number of dollars, you can put on a concert here. You set the ticket prices and you collect the profits.” What has happened is that the Alerus established the precedent of guaranteeing profits, whoring itself to attract promoters. As Anon has said in a series of brilliant analyses, GF cannot provide a market for the former scenario. It is in the wrong place geographically, with a population base which is woefully too small. The champions of the Alerus knew that from the beginning; their consultant told them that. But since then, they, the Herald, councilmen, and others have insisted that the white elephant is a wonderful thing to have, even though it sits empty the whole year, sucks up tax money, and competes against private sector companies. As for Tami’s inane comments, I’d suggest that she join the real world.

  • ec99

    “Ideally, the Alerus should have been built by a private company and run by that company without the taxpayers needing to be put at risk at all.”

    But that was never going to happen. That is why the GF movers and shakers decided that taxpayers should fund their entertainment. That is why, after numerous defeats, they continued to put the motion on the ballot. That is why, once it won, the price tag went up. And that is why the city council, the Alerus cabal, and the Herald, who all are in cahoots, continue to maintain it is such a valuable property.

  • ec99

    “Then maybe they should have moved to Minneapolis and left the poor people of Grand Forks alone.”

    Perhaps. But they’re big fish in a little pond. And they like it that way.

  • 2Hotel9

    So, you are defending them running this joint in such a slip shod and slatternly manner? Really? Thats all you got?

    Who made the decision that Grand Forks NEEDED this venue? The citizens of Grand Forks? Or politicians? Second. Why didn’t they do it themselves? Are you kidding or what? If there was no comparable facility in the region you would be insane not to raise the capital and build it. Why did these politicians not do that? Could it be all the money they can steal from tax payers? Think that might have somewhat to do with this?

  • 2Hotel9

    Hey, Toot! You’re our man in Amsterdam on this, could you give me a rough idea what Alerus’ nut would be? Just how much do they need for day to day operation. No frills.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I think last year they spent $5 million but only took in $4 million.

  • 2Hotel9

    Oh. My. Gawd. I just looked at their schedule. Between Sep 19 and Dec 5 they have 3, count them, 3 revenue generating events. No wonder this operation is going bankrupt.

    Hell, just off Larry they should be able to make their yearly budget. Hell, just off BRITNEY they should have made double their yearly nut. What a bunch of morons.

    Most of the events on that sched should be held at the Holiday Inn out by the interstate, or at some local high school, not at a concert venue. Sweet bleeding Jeebus!!!

  • 2Hotel9

    Wow. You got to be kidding. How many events do they have per year? Hell, they should have made twice that amount just off the Britney Slut-o-thon! Talk about criminal malfeasance, why the hell aren’t any of these Democrats in jail?!?!

    I know a bar owner here in Butler county that could take that joint over and have it making $10-15 million a year. What a bunch of non-business running assholes.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    But that was never going to happen.

    Then maybe they should have moved to Minneapolis and left the poor people of Grand Forks alone.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Ideally, the Alerus should have been built by a private company and run by that company without the taxpayers needing to be put at risk at all.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    You know what? I don’t care whether or not the Alerus makes money. It is an event center,

    So, it is the taxpayers’ responsibility to subsidize entertainment for the cities political and business elite?

    If that’s the case, when do the taxpayers get to start voting on which acts come in? And when do they get “free” tickets to the acts they’re subsidizing?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Its like the end of a scooby doo episode and the bad guy is saying “and we’d have pulled it off too if it weren’t for you damn kids!”

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