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Thursday, July 17, 2008

Associated Press: McCain Collects Benefits From Social Security System He Criticizes

This will undoubtedly become the baseline left wing response to anything McCain has to say about Social Security.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Although Republican presidential candidate John McCain has called Social Security “a disgrace,” he still cashes his own retirement check every month.

“I’m receiving the benefits, the system is broken and, unfortunately, my children and grandchildren, according to the trustees of the Social Security system, will not have the same benefits the present retirees have,” McCain told reporters Thursday on his campaign bus.

McCain’s 2007 tax return shows Social Security benefits of $23,157 for the year, an average of $1,929.75 a month. He said he started receiving the payments “whenever I was eligible.”

The thing about this is that McCain is just getting the money he paid into the system back out.  That’s the whole point of the Social Security system.  The government takes money from you when you’re young and then redistributes it back to you when you’re old because certain politicians think you’re too dumb to save your own money.

And you get charged an exorbitant fee along the way for the gigantic bureaucracy it takes to administer collection and redistribution.

That McCain objects to the stupidity of this ponzi scheme doesn’t not mean he, like every other American, shouldn’t at least try to get the money he paid in back out.

I, personally, feel that Social Security should be phased out.  But if I’ve been forced to pay into it my entire working life I plan on getting what I can out of it when I retire despite my feelings about the program in general.

This is a logical position to have, but given that the left has no good answers to the problems McCain is raising about Social Security they’ll cling to their shallow analysis of his “hypocrisy” on the issue.  Because it’s pretty much all they have.

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Ironically, its the Democrats who refused to even talk about how to fix the broken Social Security system.  And their mantra has always been that Social Security is a sacred pact, a promise to the American people.

So now those on the Left want to criticize someone, anyone, who insists on collecting on the very promise they’ve told us was so terribly sacred?


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on July 17, 2008 at 11:11 pm
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Even though I am in my late 40’s; I’d op out if I could in a nanosecond. I would however INSIST on my getting pro-rated return ("benefits" to me implies SS was worth participating in to begin with) from this New Deal Ponzi scheme.

Texan Across the Pond on July 17, 2008 at 11:11 pm

“McCain gets Social Security but criticizes system” - the backwards Associated Press

Yep. So?

I object to it and you can bet that I will attempt to collect all that I can back from the bastards. “Social Security” is stolen from me without my consent. The federal government has no business taking it. That is not their role.

likwidshoe on July 17, 2008 at 11:17 pm
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Obama’s criticism of Washington doesn’t prevent him from cashing his Senate check, now does it?

sfcmac on July 18, 2008 at 04:57 am
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Social Security has been doomed since Ida May Fuller received the first SS check. She paid $24 into the system, and received her first SS check which totaled $22.xx. Over the years, she collected $22,000 in SS benefits (after having paid in $24).

Social Security is a bunk program that needs to be done away with and soon. But, as with all gov’t programs, once you have it, you can’t take it back.

Jessica on July 18, 2008 at 05:31 am

Mc gets 58K/year in disability checks.
Whatsamater with him?

WOOF on July 18, 2008 at 05:33 am

Lik
I forcefully disagree with your rationalization.

I object to it and you can bet that I will attempt to collect all that I can back from the bastards.

Oh, that makes perfect sense to me.

All the time people who get any sort of aid are decried around here as mooches, freeloaders, et cetera. Now Lik tells us he’s one of them, after months railing against that very activity.

I won’t take it. Its a means for the government to control your life. It’s like when a state has the fed put in a highway. Its an inroad to outside manipulation.

Lik knows that too, he’s just playing party politics and being a good little McCain apologist.

Also Lik, I’m sure you know about supply and demand. The more you take, the greater the demand for a system like that appears. For someone who is against it, that is a bizarre position. Its only if people don’t employ that rationalization that we will ever see our way out of this. Lik, and his fellow takers, are a demographic the Dems use to rally support. Its needed they tell us.

Way to straddle the issue and throw personal respectability and conscience out the window.

If you want the government out of your life, set an example. Don’t equivocate with word and action.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on July 18, 2008 at 06:00 am
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Good analysis and comments.  AP reports this, but ignores the leftists who hate this country but still live here, enjoying the benefits of living in the best country on earth.

foutsc on July 18, 2008 at 06:01 am

1. If McCain decided not to collect benefits, attempting to change the system would be met with “he’s so rich he doesn’t need SS - he doesn’t understand our needs.” As a beneficiary himself, he has an interested in not screwing all the old folks, so he’ll be seen as more genuine.

2.  I’ve always said that the way to fix SS is to increase the retirement benefits over time by 1/2 year each year.  SS was never intended to be extra cash to take to the casinos, it was intended to keep folks too old to work out of the poor house. 

Too often, young families struggling with house payments, car payments, and child rearing costs are sending 15% of their income to those who have had their entire lives to save, pay off their houses, and have no dependents.

electnixon on July 18, 2008 at 06:09 am

Sparkie Arbuckle - All the time people who get any sort of aid are decried around here as mooches, freeloaders, et cetera. Now Lik tells us he’s one of them, after months railing against that very activity.

It’s not “aid”.

Lik knows that too, he’s just playing party politics and being a good little McCain apologist.

You’re only talking for yourself here.

Also Lik, I’m sure you know about supply and demand. The more you take, the greater the demand for a system like that appears.

It’s not “supply and demand”. It is a Ponzi Scheme.

Its only if people don’t employ that rationalization that we will ever see our way out of this.

You can never see your way out of a Ponzi Scheme. It can only grow at an unsustainable level until it fails.

Lik, and his fellow takers, are a demographic the Dems use to rally support. Its needed they tell us.

Again, you’re only talking for yourself.

Way to straddle the issue and throw personal respectability and conscience out the window.

That’s not the case here.

If you want the government out of your life, set an example. Don’t equivocate with word and action.

There is no equivocation with word or action.

Please stop talking for me. You are almost invariably wrong when you tell me what I “know” or what I “tell us”.

likwidshoe on July 18, 2008 at 06:12 am

“Social Security” is stolen from me without my consent.

You live here, you work here.

That’s consent.

Don’t like it? Move.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on July 18, 2008 at 06:19 am

You live here, you work here.

That’s consent.

Being born and working out of necessity is “consent”?

Well that’s certainly one way of looking at the situation.

Who knew that you yourself consent to all of the federal programs?

Sparkie five days ago:

Honestly, I agree with hotel almost more than anyone on here. He doesn’t advocate Federal anything. Bingo! I share with him a strong contempt for power structures that are corrupt and unneeded.

Sparkie today:

You live here, you work here.

That’s consent.

Don’t like it? Move.

Quite a change.

Amateur.

likwidshoe on July 18, 2008 at 07:52 am

Lik
Perhaps you are confusing contempt and consent.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on July 18, 2008 at 08:27 am

The unfortunate bottom line here is that you consent to being informed of and abiding by our laws by existing here. However accidental the setup is for you, politics cannot get on without it. One is free to move away as soon as the age of legal consent is reached… unless they are being held at one of those polygamist brainwashing cults. Some people, unfortunately, think that the only consent to law is that involved with the man upstairs. I think that problem is particularly relevant to the current state of the GOP.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on July 18, 2008 at 08:57 am
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