It’s good to see ex-welfare recipients giving back. Good job, Potato.

The budget approved before Obama went to the Senate was $168 Billion. I believe Obama voted for the budget last year that ballooned it over $400 Billion. He's certainly responsible for this budget because it was only finalized after he was elected.

lets also not forget that NOBAMA has tripled the national debt.

Deficits are from the cumulative effect of revenue cuts and spending increases. If Obama would have been handed the surplus bush was handed and ended up with a deficit, you might have a point. But he wasn't.

Obama was handed revenue (tax) cuts, spending obligations and the second worst recession in a century. And he hasn't passed a budget yet. About the only contribution to the deficit you could hang on him would be the $700 billion in stimulus. But you knew that.

Now, if we could have reset things back, say, force anyone who voted republican to give up their wealth, services, SS, Medicare, etc, take back all the tax cuts, put rates back where they were, all in an attempt to restore us back to where it was in 2000, your criticism might have a basis. Personally, that's what I'd do. Make the republicans pay it all back including the money spent on Iraq. Of course that wouldn't get us back to where bush found it but it would be a start and a satisfying punishment for the republican slugs.

80% of people think you're wrong. That makes you the fringe element. Congratulations.

I saw that fathead Jeb Bush on Hannity last night. He was whining about Obama "looking back", blaming the last president for the problems of today. (Though it was only a few months ago.) Said it wasn't good leadership to do that.

In the next breath he's defending his idiot brother, saying that bush inherited a recession from Clinton! I remember that, bush whining in his early days about the "recession" he inherited and how the onyl way to fix it would be to cut taxes for the rich and send everybody a small stimulus check. Recession? it wasn't even noticeable. Compared to what we're experiencing after bush, it was an economic paradise.

I also noticed that FOX is promoting the tea bagger/fascist rallies like they were a NASCAR event. I hope they realize that they've lost any credibility as a legitimate new source by being the mouthpiece for partisan extremists. Not that they had much before. Seems that they've dropped all pretense of being anything approaching fair & balanced.

Recession? it wasn't even noticeable. Compared to what we're experiencing after bush, it was an economic paradise.

I see Dino's finally understood that the solution to economic downturns is tax cuts versus the anti-free enterprise grab bag we're getting with the Obama "recovery" plan.

Welcome aboard Dino.

Even if true, we don't exist to fund the government.

Someone has to pay for the services and resources the government provides. 21% goes to support the defense you love so much and the debt on your beloved wars.

The problem is that you're simply deadbeats who don't want to pay your bills. I know you resent the electric company for making you pay for that too. You think everything should be free.

Much of your frustration is somewhat understandable but brought on by your own ignorance. As taxes for the rich and the corporate have dropped dramatically, yours have probably risen if you're middle class. But see, you voted for that. Now you're stuck with the bill.

I also noticed that FOX is promoting the tea bagger/fascist rallies like they were a NASCAR event. I hope they realize that they've lost any credibility as a legitimate new source by being the mouthpiece for partisan extremists. Not that they had much before. Seems that they've dropped all pretense of being anything approaching fair & balanced.

This is why the DNC is going to lose seat and possibly their majorities, it's elitest attitudes like this. If anyone is being Facist it's the Dems.

21% goes to support the defense you love so much

I'd like to see the percentage spent on defense be much higher. It could be achieved easily if we'd just stop with all the useless social programs aimed at rewarding irresponsible behavior. And breaking the AFL-CIO grip on jobs at the various agencies in and around D.C., start firing those that don't perform and redistribute the wealth of work to those that do perform.

Even though dino reverts to childish use of adjectives such as "fathead" and "idiot" when describing our elected officials, I have to say I am excited to learn that it watches foxnews. There may be hope for this one yet.

I'd like to see the percentage spent on defense be much higher. It could be achieved easily if we'd just stop with all the useless social programs aimed at rewarding irresponsible behavior. And breaking the AFL-CIO grip on jobs at the various agencies in and around D.C., start firing those that don't perform and redistribute the wealth of work to those that do perform.

I like your line of thinking.

This is why the DNC is going to lose seat and possibly their majorities, it's elitest attitudes like this.

Really? So what lost it for the republicans? A Lack of white trash thinkers? Sure are plenty here on SAB!

Did he renounce his past? Yes. Is he still in the KKK? No. His past involvement with the KKK is more complicated than conservatives would like us to think. Things often are but cons like to harp on things in black & white. No pun intended.

I could just as easily point out the links between the bush patriarch and Hitler. In fact, there were many upper class WASPs in this country who were Nazi-sympathizers. Do you think they'd still be that way now? Doubt it.

Things were different then. I'd bet if you were living in the south in the 1940s you would have signed up, too. Most conservatives would have. Unless you're going to tell me that the KKK is full of Clinton/Kerry/Obama voters.

You people act like you discovered tolerance once we liberals force it on you. You hate queers and have made things difficult for us but the cons of the future will be calling us their best friends. Conservatives try and claim to have led the fight when it was them we've been fighting no matter what group it was seeking rights. That's what makes it so disingenuous for a conservative to be pointing fingers.

There's lots of politicians who are anti-gay or at least anti-gay marriage. People like Schumer. But now he's come out in support of gay marriage. See how people change? You could too. But that would involve abandoning your ignorance.

dino, whenever you get caught in a lie you try to nuance and spin your way out of it. You are a lying asshole.

Well yeah, potato, we know you got yours. Welfare, unemployment. You just don't want anyone else helped.

And you're deluded into thinking you carry everyone's load. Such a burden! But I thought the rich paid all the taxes?

While I've given the food off my table to others

Come on, potato, you'd shit on your excess food rather than share it.

I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Funny stuff

Did he renounce his past? Yes.

No; he's still a member of the Party of slavery and segregation: The Dems.

Reagan was a democrat, quite liberal and head of a union. Things change.

There's a reason the south abandoned the democrats and embraced the republicans. Civil Rights. Nixon made good use of that with his "southern strategy".

Can I expect the conservatives to soon to be claiming to have always supported gay rights? Probably!

Reagan was a democrat, quite liberal and head of a union.

Until he wised up. You should be so wise, little dinostem.

There's a reason the south abandoned the democrats and embraced the republicans.

The South got tired of being run by slavers and segregationists, that's why.

Right about now Dino, I'd even pay for the rope and chair for you.

Say, when was the last time you did one single good thing for anyone? Really, when was the last time you did anything positive? I'm going to say never though I'm going out on a limb… strictly to tie the rope for you.

That's what I mean. In 20-30 years the conservatives of that time will be claiming to have always been supportive of gay rights. Conservatives fought all other groups seeking equality and then when it was achieved the cons claimed it was their idea.

Doubtful.

Potato, your hostility is misplaced this evening. Don't blame me for your painful, guilt-provoking past.

If you were as thoughtful and generous as you say you are you wouldn't be a conservative. A conservative's biggest fear is that someone is getting a penny of the tax they pay for food or shelter. It's a near-obsession for conservatives. I've talked to them. It consumes them. Despite facts to the contrary, conservatives always think that 99% of the tax they pay goes to lazy people who won't work. It's weird, irrational, something you can't convince them is not true.

But yet when a conservative gets into a jam they scream for help. I've honestly seen this countless times. A conservative has a handicapped child and screams for more government help (Palin) for the handicapped. A con I'm acquainted with has a daughter with enormous health bills due to an obscure disease and is now supportive of government run universal health care. A con woman who worked for me had a grandfather who needed nursing home care. Instead of spending his money they hid it and put him in on Medicaid after making him "poor". A welfare-hating young reganite from my youth comes down with "chronic fatigue syndrome" and goes on disability. A con co-worker who complained non-stop about "welfare" is forced from his home due to flooding and stands in line for food and diapers from the govt despite not being needy. Another well-to-do acquaintance's mother needed nursing home care. Yep, he hid her money and got Medicaid to pay for it. A woman tells her story on NPR. her son has a disease where he can't eat and has to be fed through a tube in his stomach. The scholl builds him a special room. She says that her libertarian past would have caused her to object but since it's her son she saw the light.

I can go on and on and on and on with stories like that. Conservatives who complain about contributing to the collective but somehow see the light when in need. Luckily few of us ever gets in a needy position. That's why it's so easy for cons to object to helping others. That is, until they are in a jam.

Doubtful.

Watch. The republican leader of 2040 will have a gay running mate. LOL

Shoe buddy, ya need some new material. Maybe you can explain why someone whose life was basically paid for by the fedeal government is so anti-government?

Are you cutting and pasting, dino? I've seen this bullshit rant before.

But yet when a conservative gets into a jam they scream for help. I've honestly seen this countless times. A conservative has a handicapped child and screams for more government help (Palin) for the handicapped. A con I'm acquainted with has a daughter with enormous health bills due to an obscure disease and is now supportive of government run universal health care. A con woman who worked for me had a grandfather who needed nursing home care. Instead of spending his money they hid it and put him in on Medicaid after making him "poor". A welfare-hating young reganite from my youth comes down with "chronic fatigue syndrome" and goes on disability. A con co-worker who complained non-stop about "welfare" is forced from his home due to flooding and stands in line for food and diapers from the govt despite not being needy. Another well-to-do acquaintance's mother needed nursing home care. Yep, he hid her money and got Medicaid to pay for it. A woman tells her story on NPR. her son has a disease where he can't eat and has to be fed through a tube in his stomach. The scholl builds him a special room. She says that her libertarian past would have caused her to object but since it's her son she saw the light.

Rob's graph is also misleading, as I've repeatedly pointed out that we had no budget surpluss under Clinton:
http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

And it (absentmindedly) gives Clinton credit, where it's not due:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n1…

Both ridiculous and wrong.

Mother Nature, glad I could give you the gay thing to play with.

Thanks – enjoy the T-cells I gave you to play with.

Dino2 – Shoe buddy, ya need some new material. Maybe you can explain why someone whose life was basically paid for by the fedeal government is so anti-government?

Stop lying about me you silly piece of shit.

The lie that all the racists flocked to the Republican party doesn't even pass the smell test.

Explain Nixon's "southern strategy."

Stop lying about me you silly piece of shit.

Truth hurts.

I'm conservative in all ways and put away plenty for future needs.

Who pays your aged relative's health care? Were you hatched? In five minutes of questions I could identify multiple ways you take from and depend on the collective society. Just ask Potato.

The future could also be very different than you imagine.

Dino's just in favor of socialized medicine because AZT is so expensive. That's the price you pay for sticking it in other guys' asses.

Mother Nature, you give Dino far too much credit. My bet is on him being the one taking it up the old poop chute in his relationships. It would also explain his concern for pirates.

Expect taxes to rise in proportion to the Dali-Bama's defict growth.

GDP is projected to be low for several years, unemployment is also expected to be high for several years. That leaves taxes the only outlet left to erase this administrations deficit.

Thank God the Obama's are not effected by this. That would be a tragedy if they had to make a sacrafice of some kind.

The racist who voted Democrat before the Civil Rights Act now votes Republican,

That's so much bullshit. The Republicans went to the mattresses to pass the civil rights act.

There's no room for racists in the Republican party. The true racists are still in the Democrats.

Of course the Democrats cover that up by accusing the Republicans of being what they are.

As far as the deficit, it was $162 Billion when Republicans controlled the Congress and the white house.

Once again the Democrats blame the Republicans for their own actions when they got it up over $400 Billion in 2008 and it'll probably be a two trillion dollar deficit now that the Democrats wrote the whole thing. (Congress never sent Bush the budget for 2009. The Democrats just passed it with no support.)

Mike I know you're Canadian, but you should be paying closer attention.

There's no room for racists in the Republican party. The true racists are still in the Democrats.

This is true. The "Great Society" and the 40 plus years of generational welfare it created is the most racist government policy in history. This policy has effectively created a dependant class of people who vote for the promise of a handout. These people are required to stay poor to qualify for welfare and public housing. Its nothing more than institutionalized slavery and it was invented by the democratic party so the could have a dependant and dependable voter block.

…Obama gets the results from his actions?

If only! Obama's actions, stretching back to his nomination, have cast a chill on the achievement portion of our economy, with his threats of takeovers, restrictions and tax penalties for earning "too much" money. Since his election and inauguration, those threats to our prosperity have increased exponentially, resulting the a record destruction of American wealth, while the promised debt has spiraled out of control. IF we really held Obama responsible for the results of his actions, we would be seriously considering impeachment for malfeasance in Office, not even considering his destructive foreign policy blunders and his renewed obstruction of domestic energy development, which has jacked up the price of oil to $52+/bbl, from the Bush low of $33+/bbl. We are now paying significantly more for fuel under Obama, which hampers economic recovery.

That doesn't mean that everyone in those states is a racist, nor does it mean that the GOP is a racist party, nor does it mean that Republican support is a vote for racism, nor does it mean that any voter who has switched from Democratic to Republican has done/does so for reasons of race.

I'm talking broad strokes here but the evidence is compelling.

You contradicted yourself here, Mike. The fact is that the Dem Party is the repository of racism and race-based politics here in the US; the Dems supported slavery, segregation, and now they can't survive without playing the race card, over and over again.

Ah, the south. Democrat stronghold of yesteryear until all the racists started voting GOP in the early sixties.

RepubliCONS were largely silent during the Civil Rights debate, prefering to sit back and watch the dems destroy each other.

Then when it looked like a compromise was at hand the republicans balked, expressing reservations because they felt the Act would forc employers to hire blacks. HELLO! That was one of the purposes of the Act, nondiscrimination in employment.

Do your research and you will find that republicans did not go "to the mat" for civil rights. Conservatives NEVER support the underdog. The only people they go to the mat for is the rich and the powerful and they use the mat to kneel on while they tongue-bathe their private parts.

I swear, in 30 or 40 years when being anti-gay is seen as a bad thing, the cons of that time will be claiming to have "gone to the mat" for the homos.

Since it wasn't that long ago, does anybody remember the conservatives supporting womens' right to equality?

I don't. I remember them warning that giving women equal rights would lead to co-ed bathrooms.

Thanks for confirming that NE idiot libs hate the south because it is conservative, carbuncle.

My wife is from Miami. I love it. Tons of vicious capitalists down there. NB: Clinton is not from Miami.

Last I checked something like 80% of the Republicans supported the CRA. Unless somebody's rewritten history since then, it required the Republicans to gain cloture in the Senate.

Keep chattering Dino. Don't like dirty little things like truth get between you and your tasty hate sandwich.

Sparkie:

Democrat stronghold of yesteryear until all the racists started voting GOP in the early sixtes

You and Buzz the Democrat should hang out more often.

I'm sure you'd have plenty of racist republican stories to share with each other.

No irony in that at all.

"Sparkie has a clear grasp of the subject, as usual. Pwned by Sparks." — Buzz

[Thanks to Proof for the corrected source of that utterance.]

Last I checked something like 80% of the Republicans supported the CRA.

Heh. I saw that on the recent comments and thought you were talking about the community reinvestment act.