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LLP’s autobiography in three words!

Why are you guys so obsessed with hating liberals?

I see this along the lines of:

When did you stop beating your wife?

Personally, I can’t think of any liberals I hate.
I oppose many of their ideas, as they would be disastrous for the country I love. But, hate? No.
Most liberals, even the really gross ones like Michael Moore and Socialist, aren’t worth the energy to hate!
The question is a straw man, with a little ad hominem attack on the side.

If the liberals would only leave me and my family alone I’d have no problem with them whatsoever.

Mind your own business.

Don’t the econuts always preach we must all must “conserve”, i.e. be conservatives?

Why are you guys so obsessed with hating liberals?

Do you guys have no lives whatsoever? Do you stand for so little you really need to define yourselves by what you hate?

The mind of a conservative:

LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS LIBERALS

Or, perhaps none of you are correctly understanding what a Liberal is?

I have been telling you this for months now.

I disagree. Conservatives offer no threat to either the liberty or the property of liberals. But liberals, on the other hand, are devoutly obsessed with using the power of government to force the reduction of both liberty and property on the rest of society.

“I disagree. Liberals offer no threat to real liberty and the property of conservatives. But conservatives, on the other hand, are devoutly obsessed with using the power of money to force the reduction of both the people’s liberty and property on the rest of society”

It is a mirror-image. Especially when we make generalizations such as “liberals do this, conservatives do that”

You guys are so against liberals because they’re against you & Liberals are so against conservatives because you’re against them.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

The generalizations and this long tradition of hating the opposition to our party need to stop!
“Oh, well they punched me first!” is going to cut it.

I disagree. Conservatives offer no threat to either the liberty or the property of liberals. But liberals, on the other hand, are devoutly obsessed with using the power of government to force the reduction of both liberty and property on the rest of society.

Spot-on!

This is not a mirror-image situation. What the Left generically calls Conservatives these days are in reality simply Americans.

The Left on the other hand, is an invasive, and ultimately destructive, foreign-introduced cancer.

Modernism / Socialism / Bolschevism / Communism / Liberalism, and now called Progressivism is based on the screeds of Marx, Engels and their progeny.

Wherever it is they are introduced, they seek first to destroy the power structure of the target society. Then they get into government and subvert it from within, ensuring that it cannot defend itself … much in the same way AIDs/HIV suppresses the bodys’ immune system. Ultimately, if not controlled or eradicated like any other parasite, it takes over the body politic leading to systems like those in former Soviet Russia, Eastern Europe, Red China, Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, etc…

Several years ago, I had collected several quotes from Nazi leaders who discussed their strategies for using the Courts, and Parliament to prevent the old Republic from defending itself, to undermine it from within, to the point where the Republic was funding the National Socialist efforts to destroy it. One quote went further, discussing laws made to eat away at the fabric of democracy until at last we burst upon the fold as wolves on sheep, or something to that effect. Mentioning an ill-forgotten quote is a lame third choice to offer up to prove a point, I will admit. Perhaps some of you historical scholars can recognize the context and retrieve them.

Today, western Europe has become largely Socialist, and incrementally consolidating its Superstate power under the aegis of the EU institutions. Those who live there might well say that it works for us, thank you very much. As long as you play along with the State party line. There are increasingly fewer and narrower paths to dissent or for simple freedoms for that matter. Eventually those paths with be closed off unless the trajectory of governments are radically altered.

Unfortunately, under the guise of the Patriot Act and a long litany of bad laws and Supreme Court decisions, coupled with the stealthy North American Union, we don’t seem to be doing so well either.

The best way to blow away the Leftist smokescreen of camouflage names, labels and misdirection is to focus on the plain language and original intent of the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence, as explicated by way of the Federalist Papers.

Start from there. If updates to those documents are needed, use the amendment process.

We begin to hate liberals not because of our reasons against them, but because we are so obsessed with hating them.

That is not right.

I’m not talking about threatening someone’s property or degrading someone’s liberty. I am talking about hating.

dirl126,

And you would make the distinction based on…?

Ultimately, of course you have no basis for you assessment, since you are no more capable of seeing into the heart of another person than any of the rest of us.

I would suggest, instead, that what you see as hatred is really a matter of degree and that the vehemence of some conservatives rejection of liberals and their (usually) specious arguments is directly proportional to how strongly they feel threatened by the collectivist ideology of the Left.

As long as someone else’s ideas present no threat to the freedom or the property of my family and me, I don’t much see it as any concern of mine how stupid they are.

The same constitution that guarantees a liberal the right to spout his inane collectivist egalitarianism, gives me the right to reject his effort to have me pay for his utopia.

It ain’t personal. It’s strictly business.

Dirl126*

Why are you guys so obsessed with hating liberals?

I’m not talking about threatening someone’s property or degrading someone’s liberty. I am talking about hating.

Maybe not all conservatives spend their time hating liberals, but the conservatives that do waste their time hating them. It will blur our judgement and generalize our argument against them.

Reminiscent of the family fueds that started in the 1500′s in Italy and still carry on today. They are that vain and hateful.

We begin to hate liberals not because of our reasons against them, but because we are so obsessed with hating them.

Hmmm, just like you liberals hate Bush, the war, free enterprise, Christianity, etc. All in all you hate everything that formed the basis for this country.

Even then I don’t hate you. Pity you – probably. What would make me happy is if you all relocated to a country that fits your political and social distortions.

I agree wholeheartedly with Proof. I don’t hate anybody. Fact is, I don’t much like conflict at all. But it is a very conflicted world we live in, and there are all sorts of people who are all too willing to ignore the rights of others and help themselves, by force, to that which isn’t theirs. Whether its Islamist terrorist intent on killing us, or liberals do-gooders intent on diminishing our freedom and our wealth to pay for their egalitarianism.

If I am unwilling to confront those who threaten me and my family, then they have already won. Its not about hate at all. Hate is a waste of effort in any case. Its about the quality of survival.

But conservatives, on the other hand, are devoutly obsessed with using the power of money to force the reduction of both the people’s liberty and property on the rest of society.

dirl126

I don’t suppose you’ve got some examples to support this, have you?

The implication is that conservatives are equally inclined to impose a reduction in others’ liberty and property, but if that WAS the case, there would be no substantive difference between liberals (contemporary) and conservatives. If the life’s work of Mr. Buckley proves anything at all, its that there is, and should be, a very substantial difference.

You are in essence making a moral equivalence argument, but though it is comfortable and tidy, it isn’t at all accurate.

It is a mirror-image. Especially when we make generalizations such as “liberals do this, conservatives do that.”

Again, comfortable and tidy, but accurate ONLY if those generalizations you refer to are inaccurate. Is it wrong to generalize by saying that conservatives favor smaller, less expensive and less intrusive government and expanded individual liberty and personal responsibility? Not at all!

Is it wrong to say that liberals favor more expanded government with a resulting diminished level of personal freedom and individual responsibility? Not at all.

I’ve always found it amusing that the Left has had us adopt the usage of the Communist International when refering to Hitler and Mussolini’s brand of socialism as “reactionary” and “right-wing”.

And that that tag has stuck. Oh, and they were for it before they were against it. No problem with Poland. It was socialism with a different face. It wasn’t until Herr Adolph decided to incorporate the Soviet socialist model within the framework of German socialism that military resistance took place. And, of course, as the victor, the International got to write history. Which a lot of public school teachers taught to you and me.

Not me.

I had an extremely bright teacher for 5th Grade. She wasn’t snookered in by trying to re-write history. She knew the Germans under Chancellor Hitler were adopting the social model of Marx and Engels to German life. The Germans wanted change. They wanted the trains to run on time. They wanted help dealing with Man Made Global Warming–read Jews.

Which is why I cringe every time I hear a “conservative” talk show host refer to the Left as Liberal and the Right as Conservative. See, being a conservative and liberal aren’t mutually exclusive. Read the man who is probably the best example of what a conservative is–Edmund Burke. Especially his criticism of the French Revolution. (“Reflections on the Revolution in France”, 1790.) Don’t just refer to it, read it. In it he breaks down the argument for conservation. Political conservation. It’s not reactionary. It simply requires more than good-sounding words and slogans before we attempt to change things.

Change!

It’s what the good little Germans wanted in the ’30′s. It’s what the good little Italians wanted in the ’30′s. It’s what the good little Bolsheviks wanted in the ’20′s. And the ’30′s. And the ’40′s. Well, and still do. Venezuelans wanted change! And they’re getting it.

I particularly hate the usage of the Left in refering to those of us on the Right as Deniers. Any of us, who, having seen ManBearPig’s assault on reason, didn’t walk away questioning the science and the conclusions of his beautifully filmed insanity, are those sainted few who are finding the warm bosom of Lefties open for succor. Those of us who state and re-state that correlation is not causation are compared to those who imposed the Nazi Holocaust.

I grew up with the Oregon Journal. And on the masthead of the editorial page, every day, was a quote from Voltaire, “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend with my life your right to say it.”

That is the Classic Liberal mantra. And who knew? It was spoken by a Frenchman!

Are you high?

Nope! I kinda gave that up after I noticed years ago that the ones who were high were all dumbass liberals with one thumb up their butt and one in their mouth, waiting for someone to come along and yell, “Switch!”

As for that lame Salon article of Mr. Cole, let me refer you to the Per Currium opinion in In Re: Sealed Case(s),

The Truong court, as did all other courts to have decided this issue, held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information… We take for granted that the President does have that authority, and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President’s constitutional power.

Cole, quite obviously, doesn’t know what he’s talking about. And clearly you are no more knowledgeable.

Next?

Conservatives offer no threat to either the liberty or the property of liberals.

Are you high?