John Winger, is that you?

We’re all very different people. We’re not Watusi, we’re not Spartans, we’re Americans. With a capital “A”, huh? And you know what that means? Do you? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We’re the underdog. We’re mutts.

RMOG I read that book and found it quite interesting. It turns out that availability of food and quirks of geography led to Europe’s domination.

For example China versus Europe. Europe’s geography led to small independent kingdoms. China’s geography led to one government. That government didn’t have the need to strive. It also didn’t have the geography to encourage seagoing navigation.

I don’t know if I agreed with all of his conclusions but it was very interesting.

But really the way it was used in the Declaration of Independence was that All men are created was they are equal in the eyes of God. And therefore all of the unalienable rights belong to us all.

Certainly nobody could claim that everyone is equal in abilities.

I told you it’s a KILT!

Rob, Europe (and its offshoots) has only recently become the dominant world region, and they did it largely by theft.

In the first place, in regards to the United States and Europe, the child is father to the man.
In the second place, the United States has created its wealth by freeing individual independence, not by theft. That is the way of both monarchy and socialism. They have to steal because they can’t create. Free enterprise frees; socialism enslaves. Big difference.

I blame Bush.

aaron – I see tendencies toward eugenics are leaking through this post…

Yeah, great thinking there aaron. The white man is saying that the Asians are typically smarter (which is demonstrably true), so therefore the white man must want eugenics.

Or something.

Makes no sense, but whatever. Nazi, right?

Fool.

Rob,
My apologies if I came off harsh, I was using hyperbole, but looking back I may have came off too strong. However, I am sure you know the “inherent weaknesses” in your post.

2Hotel9,
WTF! If that’s humor it was less funny than even my posts. I guess that’s how they do things in Cleveland Ohio. (PS thanks for the love notes).

likwidshoe,
who says I’m light skinned?
Also, thanks for pointing out the flaws in rob’s thinking.

You would have to be an absolute moron not to be able to read through the bullshit of IQ testing as proof of inferior intelligence across or between any race(s). Testing reflects a standard based on a sample from which it is standardized and is therefore inherently biased for those outside the sample from which it was standardized. The amazing point about all this bullshit was revealed to be a grand hoax with the galactically stupid tome, “The Bell Curve”. Every time this crap arises, not one of it’s adherents care to address just what testing was done and how it was controlled to eliminate the threats to validity and reliability. The adherents want to believe in thir suoperiority so badly, they show their ignorance in thre methods of scientific sampling or their hubris in overlooking it. In thge same vein as the Evolution denying quakery. Either way, its bullshit, plain and simple.

Neiman: There are some commenters who, lacking factual or logical argument, go for personal attack by insult and falsehood instead. It’s not an effective form of argument with emotionally mature people, but it’s all they’ve got. Of course, they could remain silent and learn from the adults…

Ding Ding Ding, There goes Godwin’s Law. Aaron, you are supposed to ease your way into these references, not drop the Hitler bomb on your first post of the thread. Heh.

Rob: I guess this is why our Constitution only promises to provide equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. As far as societal evolution is concerned, the majority of Asians still live under totalitarianism. Not so evolved, I think.

This is why I cringe whenever I see a ‘science’ article in the newspaper. Journalists have such poor scientific knowledge and communication skills, the meaning of the science gets knarled up in one way or another.

Genes code for proteins, which give rise to some cellular biochemical function. I cringe when I hear ‘gene for alcoholism’ or ‘gene for depression’ or ‘gene for intelligence’. It is not that simple. It is what we call the difference between genotype and phenotype. The genetic code vs the physical outcome of that code.

Anyway, what Watson was saying was that the set of genes responsible for what we interpret as intelligence are not distributed equally among populations. Just like the genes responsible for eye pigmentation are not distributed equally among populations. Nothing real controversial about that.

I have 3 issues with this personally.

1) What percentage of intelligence is genetically coded vs learned. The classic question of nature vs nurture bites this statement in the ass big time.

2) how do you measure intelligence in the first place to measure this? I know some PhDs who are measurably intelligent, but would have trouble thinking their way out of a paper bag. The classic question of street smarts vs. book smarts bites this theory again.

3) I would also argue that whatever genes we have for intelligence have a NEGATIVE selective pressure. The dumb bimbos are the ones that spread their legs for any tall dark and stupid that walks by. Hitting the books at night does not help your reproductive prowess. Trust me. I have never heard ” Oh, that RMOG is SO responsible, that’s HOT”.

ooh, there’s a fourth one too.

4) Lets say you could measure true intelligence. And lets say there is a variation in the distribution of genes that give rise to intelligence. There is still a huge bell curve out there to deal with. The smartest of the group with the lesser genetic makeup would still outperform a large percentage of the gifted group. If cultural reasons had these lesser genetic folk work harder for their smarts, could you even statistically measure any difference? I doubt it.

Interesting topic, but unfortunately, these topics are totally not politically correct and not even allowed to be discussed in public.

Your point, in a cagey way, is that sub-Saharan Africa is full of people that are dumb, so it is ok that Europe, and its offshoots, steal its resources and murder its people. You are a social darwinist that is too chickenshit to admit it. You live in a utopian world where everyone is given the same opportunities and capitalism arose spontaneously be free peoples, despite the historical record to the contrary. Certainly other societies were brutal expansionists, they just weren’t as good at it as western Europe.

aaron, how was that meeting of the Fargo Chapter of Aryan Brotherhood? You look good in the surveillance footage, though you should get that mole looked at. Light skinned “brothers” such as yourself have to worry about melanomas. Sorry I missed you earlier, then again everyone does.

Anna, several people made attempts at developing repeating arms, Uncle Samuel was the undisputed leader, and his subsequent generations added to our equality, substantially. Though Cousin Mikhail and Uncle Hiram did their part, too!

Rob:

If you’re going to say that, Graeme, you should maybe quote something I said that is even remotely like that.

Well if you are going to suggest everyone stick to what is actually said versus what they interpret it to mean, usually by additions and/or deletions to the original words, then it is going to get dang boring around here as virtually no one sticks to the actual words used before exploding with a rebutal to what they think you said!

I see tendencies toward eugenics are leaking through this post…even while the US drips behind the world in Academic achievement and Asian Americans remain the highest scoring group in America.

You must keep your Nazi memorabilia in the basement. Perhaps those too will pop up in some post at a later date. Yes, you should be embarrassed for having written this post.

God made man, Samuel Colt made us equal.

Your point, in a cagey way, is that sub-Saharan Africa is full of people that are dumb, so it is ok that Europe, and its offshoots, steal its resources and murder its people.

If you’re going to say that, Graeme, you should maybe quote something I said that is even remotely like that.

I think you’re probably dead-on, Robert.

The problem with people like Graeme is that they want to paint the Europeans and their descendants as some sort of monsters who “stole” all their success from others. As though other cultures and societies didn’t conquer one another and steal technologies.

We are a bunch of mutts.

I told you it’s a KILT!

Whatever gets you through, dude.