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Saturday, September 02, 2006


Are Oil Industry Conspiracy Theories Just Easier To Believe?

This afternoon/evening I traveled to my fiance's grandmother's home to attend a family event. When I arrived a group of the men were sitting in the living room talking about gas prices. It was the usual sort of banter. Are they going up? Are they going down? What people are paying for gas in the various cities the people party to the discussion are from, etc.

At the end of the discussion one of the men involved said something along the lines of "Well, the politicians gotta keep the prices high so the oil companies get their profits."

Now I can't say that I'm particularly shocked at this utterance because it's the sort of thing I hear all the time. In fact, I don't think a day goes buy when I don't have a conversation with someone who makes some vague reference to collusion and price fixing in the petroleum industry. Usually I just dismiss the comments as jokes, but what finally dawned on me tonight is just how many people actually believe that gas prices are the result of greedy corporate finks and their mindless political puppets in the government manipulating supply and demand to bilk Americans.

Why do people believe this? Is it really easier to believe that high gas prices occur because of a massive conspiracy between thousands of oil industry executives spread out through hundreds (if not thousands) of competing oil companies and hundreds of politicians from both sides of the aisle than to believe that high gas prices occur because of ordinary market forces?

Like supply and demand, for instance? One reason why gas prices have gone so high and stayed so high in recent years is because oil companies can't easily increase production in order to keep up with demand thanks to government regulations that limit how much they can drill and even prohibit them from drilling in some of America's most oil-rich areas (like in Alaska and off the coast of Florida).

Or how about taxes? The federal government alone makes $0.18 off every gallon of gasoline sold in this country, and the states make more with some of them slapping as much as $0.30 in taxes on top of what the federal government levies.

And let's not forget the environmentalist lobby which has prohibited a new gasoline refinery from being built in this country at any time in the last three decades and has gotten our politicians to saddle gasoline producers with ridiculous regulations for boutique fuels and blends.

All of the things I've mentioned above are verifiable facts. They exist, and their impact on the oil industry and the prices we pay at the pump is obvious. So why, then, do so many people continue to insist that gas prices are the result of a conspiracy? A conspiracy that would require the cooperation - and silence - of thousands in order to work, no less.

I just don't get it.

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Rob,

It might be interesting to know how many of those you run into who share the view that politcos and oil companies are in collusion, are liberals at heart.  How did they vote in the last several presidential elections?  Are they supporters of labor unions?  Do they think that free markets are the best path to overall prosperity, or are they inclined to trust government instead.  Affirmative action programs?  Gun control?  Tax cuts?

Of course all of this is anectdotal, as were your initial observations, but I would be willing to bet that very few conservatives are so economically ignorant as to believe this sort of conspiratorial nonsense.  That kind of mindless blather seems to be the near exclusive province of those on the left.  Conspiracy is, after all, a lovely substitute for thinking.

Bat One on September 2, 2006 at 09:03 pm
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The bar of the restaurant I work at has overpriced shot to begin with.

But, recently I learned that they went from regular shot glasses to ones that looked like regular shot glasses, but only measured 3/4 of an ounce.

For the same price.

Apparently its just the way some people do business.

robert on September 2, 2006 at 09:04 pm
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rob, you and I know better but to your regular American gas prices is sort-of like the minimum wage issue (over 85% support raising the minimum wage)

aNONOMISLY on September 2, 2006 at 09:25 pm
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Here’s another fact on gas prices. The price of gas is cheaper here than countries where the government owns the petroleum industry before taxes.  We are much cheaper after taxes.

The Whistler on September 2, 2006 at 09:45 pm
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Do you think that shutting down the Alaska Pipeline is a conspiracy?  We’re in Fairbanks right now (within five miles of the pipeline) and talk around town is that it is a conspiracy.

Also the FBI has served search warrents on several Alaska state legislators’ offices, investigating a tie between them and VECO.

Carol on September 3, 2006 at 03:55 am
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Adam Smith 1723 - 1790:

People of the same trade seldom meet together,even for merriment and diversion,
but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.

WOOF on September 3, 2006 at 04:31 am
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No conspiracy needed to fleece the public.

ellinas on September 3, 2006 at 06:36 am
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As usual Woof you aim to mislead.

That quote comes from Smith’s Wealth of a Nation, and he was talking about companies getting together and proposing laws.

If you’re trying to tell us that Adam Smith, Mr. Laissez Faire Ecnomics himself, would believe in massive corporate conspiracies to fix gas prices you’re out of your gourd.


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on September 3, 2006 at 07:46 am
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CAb you say Presidents Energy Task Force,
Dick Gheney presiding?

talking about companies getting together and proposing laws.

WOOF on September 3, 2006 at 09:06 am
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I say it better than I typed it.

WOOF on September 3, 2006 at 09:07 am
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You bring to light an interestive perspective which i think merits more attention than it receives.

However, from my experience, it seems as though people ascribe the volatility in gas prices to collusion rather than gas price levels.  Many ‘people’ watch the movement of oil prices and find it difficult to understand why they see prices going up and down when market indicators suggest otherwise. 

Any insights or opinions on this?

Daniel on September 5, 2006 at 07:35 pm

Daniel: I don’t know to what you are referring.  Generally speaking, within a few days to a week, when the market price of oil goes down, the gas prices go down, and when the market price of oil goes up, the gas prices go up.  Conspiracy theories are generally for the weak-minded, who need to excuse their own weakness and cowardice by imputing great power to “them”.  In this case, it’s the “evil oil companies”.  SSDD


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on September 5, 2006 at 07:40 pm
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Well, from a market perspective, gas prices go up and down so much because gas stations are always buying their next shipment of gas by selling the one they have in the tank.

If they price too low they run the risk of running out of gas before they can get the next shipment or not making enough money to pay for the next shipment.  If they price too high they get undercut by their competitors.


The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob on September 5, 2006 at 07:41 pm

Rob: They also have to make enough to pay for the next shipment.  If it’s going to cost more, they have to raise the price of whatever’s left in the tanks.  Simple arithmetic.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on September 5, 2006 at 07:43 pm

Every Sunday, one of the gas stations in my neighborhood lowers the price on all three grades 10 cents a gallon.  I guess they didn’t get the memo from the “Conspiracy”.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on September 5, 2006 at 07:45 pm
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It seems to me that gas prices have fallen very fast.

There’s no advantage to selling below market.  If you have a low-cost tank of fuel and sell it low while everyone else sells high.

1.  You’ll be swamped and out of gas quick.

2.  During that time you’ll have poor service, particullarly for your regular customers.

3.  As soon as your out you have to resupply and raise your prices. 

4.  You may have lost some regular customers.

This is as opposed to making an extra couple hundred bucks on the tank of gas while you sell it.

It takes more than that to make a conspiracy.

The Whistler on September 6, 2006 at 04:11 am

Conspiracy weirdos should take a look at various taxes applied to gas in Europe (50-70%). The price of gas there has always been at least twice what we pay in the U.S. and is in fact something like $7 or $8 a gallon today.

Oswaldo on November 22, 2007 at 07:50 am
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North Dakota Does Not Exist. Thank you

President Peter on January 2, 2008 at 04:35 pm
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