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One less choice, from the people who are supposedly “Pro-choice”!

Trolls. It’s what’s for breakfast!
And then I eat their lunch.

Proof, under what Constitutional argument are you going to find that Illinois can’t make a law banning this business.  I thought you were a Federalist?

Not that Proof needs me to fight his battles for him, but I don’t recall seeing him argue that it was unconstitutional. Rather, his seems to be more of the “just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean it should be outlawed” variety.

We had something somewhat similar here in Washington, with people flipping out about the fact that some of the carnivores at the Woodland Park Zoo were being fed horse meat.  My reaction?  Who cares?  It’s just another animal.

"No Sane man will dance.”—Cicero

Not that Proof needs me to fight his battles for him, but I don’t recall seeing him argue that it was unconstitutional. Rather, his seems to be more of the “just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean it should be outlawed” variety.

He obviously wanted an appellate court to overrule this decision, so it must be on constitutional grounds.  That’s all the authority they have.

Thanks for all the attention! My point was philosophical rather than legal. I don’t really give a rip one way or the other how the state of Illinois regulates its meat.
Is it Constitutional? Probably! Is it one less choice that consumers are able to make for themselves in Illinois? Definitely!
I’ve always been a horse lover. I would not challenge the law on any grounds other than philosophical: Does every choice that the state takes away from us diminish our freedom? Explain and discuss!

Oh, and Lestat? Chill, dude! You pull arguments out of your ass like Pez from a dispenser! Obviously?? Dude! Get a dictionary!

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And then I eat their lunch.

Horsemeat was available retail for human consumption in Milwaukee as recently as the 1970s. By then the butcher shop no longer did business under the name of Man o’ War.It is as tasty as beef, but somewhat sweeter for lack of a better distinction.

Lestat - Proof, under what Constitutional argument are you going to find that Illinois can’t make a law banning this business.  I thought you were a Federalist?

Where did he ever make that argument?

He obviously wanted an appellate court to overrule this decision, so it must be on constitutional grounds.

I didn’t read that.

You obviously have some troubles reading.

No wonder you so often disagree with many of us. You read what isn’t there.

Interesting post Pilgrim, witty,too. I remember having horse meat here in Milwaukee a number of years ago. It was not bad. It is funny how we value different animals. The more pet worthy, the less we want to eat them.

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"If wishes was horses we would all be eating steak.”
Gen Black Jack Pershing, during the Villa campaign.

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“If wishes was horses we would all be eating steak.”
Gen Black Jack Pershing, during the Villa campaign.

Was he drunk when he said it?

No, he was eating mule. And speaking to jour5nalists, who were also eating mule. Because rations were that low, and they were extended from their point of supply that far. And the horses were back at the main cantonment in Arizona. And the reporters were whining about having better food.

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Wait a minute. There are a lot of extremely cute adorable cowsies.

What’s wrong with eating horse meat? Its a viable source of protein…

If you get a chance, try Bosintang

In Peru where having large ranches for cattle breeding wasn’t always possible, Peruvians ate guinea pigs…

They’re good if prepared properly… Try Fried Guinea Pig

Horse is good. Just think back to the last Wendys,Burger King,or McDs burger you had and go Mmmmmm! Thats good horse!

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Ok, now that we aren’t going to eat them, or the French who really like horsemeat, what are we supposed to do with all these surplus horses.  The bulk of these are lame or slow racehorses.  For the most part these aren’t pets.

They will be shipped to Mexico where they still butcher horses who will then ship them to France and other places.

This is a sad day. Peta wins.  We lose.

the AVATAR
Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

As far as I know, at least here in Washington, the horse ranches that breed for the purpose of consumption are still doing so. The ranches don’t slaughter the horses they ship them to other countries to do so.
The only ranch I know of was located adjacent to I-90 and it didn’t take long before they had to relocate do to public outcry.

I’ve had friction with horse meat.
“You lookin at me?”

Actually, the place where there ought to be a slaughterhouse for horses is Nevada--sorry, Mustang lovers, but it’s a shame that we’re willing to let them eat every last bit of foliage from the desert, but not put ‘em on a plate. 

BTW, friends of mine have enjoyed it quite a bit in Europe.  Mmmmmmm....

Humans are also made of a lot of meat.  Why not eat them too?  How ‘bout some nice soylent green?

There is alot more to this story than simply “should people eat horses?”. (And by the way, it was already illegal to eat horsemeat in IL, the meat was all shipped overseas.) I have no desire to eat horsemeat, but cannot argue on someone else’s desires. The things that bother me are: horses are routinely injected with drugs that specifically say “not intended for animals used for human consumption”. 
Horses are routinely transported in inhumane manners, crammed into overcrowded double-decker trailers. (One tipped over in MO not too long ago.)
The horses killed are not only the lame, old, and sick. (Who would want to eat an old, sick cow?) Naturally, young and healthy animals are preferred. Pregnant horses and foals are not uncommon sites at the slaughterhouse. The Premarin industry regularly dumps their “bi-product” foals at auction where many are snatched up by kill-buyers. Stolen horses often end up in slaughterhouses as well. 
The old-style butcher shops could be considered humane as each animal was dealt with individually. However, when a slaughterhouse has hundreds of animals passing through, it makes it awful hard to do things humanely. I have seen videos.
An additional note: I am a conservative and definately not a member of PETA. So there goes your stereotype. I do eat meat, but am selective as to it’s origins. I will eat from a butcher shop, local farmers, and hunters, but not slaughterhouses.
God blessed us with meat to eat, but also gave us the responsibility to treat his creatures humanely while they are still alive and even up to their death.

we’re willing to let them eat every last bit of foliage from the desert

Don’t forget they not only eat uninhabited areas they eat what they want out of peoples yards… without fear.

Humans are also made of a lot of meat.  Why not eat them too?  How ‘bout some nice soylent green?

...Because. You can die or suffer brain damage. Only retards eat people. Get it?

Mell, I have worked in slaughterhouses and cutting meat, and have to agree. We buy meat from local slaughterhouses and small butchershop operations. Being in western PA that ain’t hard. I cutup deer for friends and myself. In fact, in the last 3 years I have not even shot a deer, and just had the last 2 packs of venison out of the freezer from last season. Not everybody can realistically be expected to do the same. A degree of industrialization is required. And keeping the treatment of foodstock animals as humane as possible is our responsibility. The PETA/Vegan/ELF environazi crowd will not accept that. They totally oppose all killing of animals for food. Well, sorry, they are our food. We are evolved, by God(just to keep everybody happy), to eat meat. Dentition and digestive processes pretty clearly show that.

And it is safe to say that slaughter technique in North America is as humane as, and in many,many cases far superior to, that of any nation on this planet.

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You can die or suffer brain damage. Only retards eat people.

Chris, This no more true than dying from eating any animal. Therefore, I personally, make sure humans I eat have a large stamp on their package stating, USDA INSPECTED

I remember having horse meat at school camp. They didn’t tell us it was horse meat till after the meal. We all enjoyed our meal until word got out that we were eating our galloping friend.

Sarah.