Anti-War Democrats Not As Anti-War As They’d Have You Believe

Far left “withdraw at any costs” liberals may be interested to know that all of the Democrat front runners for 2008 favor policy approaches for Iraq that would leave our troops deployed for at least another couple of years.

DES MOINES, Aug. 11 — Even as they call for an end to the war and pledge to bring the troops home, the Democratic presidential candidates are setting out positions that could leave the United States engaged in Iraq for years.
John Edwards, the former North Carolina senator, would keep troops in the region to intervene in an Iraqi genocide and be prepared for military action if violence spills into other countries. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York would leave residual forces to fight terrorism and to stabilize the Kurdish region in the north. And Senator Barack Obama of Illinois would leave a military presence of as-yet unspecified size in Iraq to provide security for American personnel, fight terrorism and train Iraqis.
These positions and those of some rivals suggest that the Democratic bumper-sticker message of a quick end to the conflict — however much it appeals to primary voters — oversimplifies the problems likely to be inherited by the next commander in chief.

I think this is the best example yet of how vapid and politically-motivated the Democrats’ policies for Iraq are. Edwards, Hillary, etc. are all more than happy to placate the anti-war base with bold and nasty rhetoric aimed at the Bush administration. But they’re also worried about the genocide that would take place in Iraq should our withdrawal be too hasty, so they’re engaging in a bit of quiet CYA with policies that would leave a token force of American troops in Iraq in order to allow them the “we tried” defense.
Which is total nonsense. If we commit American lives to the field of battle we should either be in the war to win, or we should bring every troop home immediately, consequences be damned. But the Democrats don’t get this. They want to sit on the fence by bringing most of our troops home while quietly leaving some small force of troops in the middle east just to say they’re doing something over there.
For better or worse, we’ve gone to war in Iraq. Whether or not that was a good idea is now so much water under the bridge. What we need to be talking about now is how we’re going to make our mission in Iraq a success, and it’d be helpful if the Democrats could get serious about achieving that objective. Which they won’t do, because their policies are calculated for political effect more than, you know, winning the war.

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  • http://Array Robin Crenshaw

    Can someone explain something to me?
    Know up front that I am probably more rightleaning than most here.
    Donald Rumsfeld insisted we could win in Iraq with fewer troops. It was always about using technology and fewer men, and some 12 generals blasted him for it when they retired. But Republicans cheered Rumsfeld. Yayyy! Our hero, Rummy!!

    Then one day Bush fires him, and … get this … orders a SURGE. You know, the OPPOSITE of what Rumsfeld wanted.

    And the Republicans cheered the surge.

    I support the surge. I did NOT EVER support Rumsfeld.

    We as a party have to ask ourselves the same question: are we removed from Reality when it comes to fighting this war?

    Because we sure as hell were back when most of us were cheerleading for a Defense Secretary with no military experience. A man who ignored advice of f–ing GENERALS.

    Only NOW are most members of our party being “real-world” about fighting to WIN in this war. That’s what the surge is all about, and we need to make sure that our party doesn’t do another cheerleader bit the next time some ass leads us down the wrong path.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Why don’t you hold the current administration and the Republicans to this standard?

    Squawk: Does your knee hurt when it jerks like that? Just wondering…

  • docdave

    Of the top Democratic candidates Richardson has the only crystal clear, unambiguous approach that most Democrats favor – a total withdraw of our forces. Richardson understands the path the U.S. must take to get out of Iraq, and possesses the diplomatic experience to see that our withdrawal does not lead to further chaos in the region.

    So just what is Richardson’s plan for withdrawing our troops and avoiding chaos in the region. Oh, like all the other anti-war proponents, he doesn’t have one and we are supposed to rely on his ‘diplomatic experience’ as proof that if elected he’ll come up with one. Does Richardson also have a non-plan to withdraw our troops that are stationed elsewhere to help preserve the peace (like Korea, Germany, Kosova, etc.)? Hopefully, voters other than you will see through his and other Democrat candidates ‘withdraw the troops without chaos’ charade.

  • Neiman

    Hawk: You did not comprehend what Rob was saying at all, or you could not have asked that question.

    If we commit American lives to the field of battle we should either be in the war to win.

    Bush did take us to war to win and we won the war, swiftly and decisively; and while you may hate the very idea of it, it appears that at last we might be on the road to victory in the war to establish the peace.

    or we should bring every troop home immediately, consequences be damned.

    Next, Rob was saying that if the Democrats and the country are absolutely convinced we should not be there or win, then there is no other option for honest people than to cut off all funding immediately and then for Bush to bring the troops home ASAP no matter what it costs us in Iraq, Israel or the Middle East. But, it is the height of hypocrisy to say we are losing and should get out or shouldn’t be there and do nothing to cut off funding completely, or to say we should not be there or win, but then suggest we leave any number of troops there or in the area ready to go back in.

    I think my dad would say, “Shit or get off the pot!,” that means that Democrats are all mouth and no action.

    Bush was and is following the Rob War Doctrine (RWD); and the Left, read that Democrats, are not following the RWD. Pretty simple and Rob is applying it to both sides.

  • http://ewebsmith.com/ ews48

    Yep, it’s a fine mess they got us into and it’s going to cost our children money and their children’s lives.

    If we were fighting this war to win it would have been over in months. We are figting this war to drag it on and maintain a presence in the middle east like the plan detailed on the PNAC website says.

    If they drag this on long enough, the American people will get used to it. When’s the last time any one thought about our troops in Korea and how much that’s costing?

  • http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

    Peaceniks are detached from reality.

  • Robin Crenshaw

    If we were fighting this war to win it would have been over in months. We are figting this war to drag it on and maintain a presence in the middle east like the plan detailed on the PNAC website says.

    Er, that’s kind of the point. That’s why the PNAC principles are widely known, and why we are building the biggest embassy we have ever built there. If we’re going to fight terrorism, we’re going to have to fight indefinately. Right now I think Rob is referring to winning the war against insurgents, which is totally different.

  • Stephen Cassidy

    Of the top Democratic candidates Richardson has the only crystal clear, unambiguous approach that most Democrats favor – a total withdraw of our forces. Richardson understands the path the U.S. must take to get out of Iraq, and possesses the diplomatic experience to see that our withdrawal does not lead to further chaos in the region.

    Senators Clinton, Obama and Edwards don’t have the confidence in their own judgment to follow the will of the American people. Their withdrawal will be a long and slow march. The intervention will continue for years to come if one of them is elected President. I wrote a diary on this topic last month: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/7/4/15640/18882

    If you saw today Nicholas Kristof’s Op Ed on leaving Iraq, it reads as a summary of Richardson’s plan for Iraq. See http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/opinions/ci_6614043 and compare with http://www.richardsonforpresident.com/issues/iraq

    For those that think the race is over – Clinton has won and Richardson is just running for Vice President: Richardson is polling in Iowa at the same level John Kerry was the summer of 2003 (and far ahead of where Edwards was four years ago who finished a surprising second). Remember, almost half of the Iowa caucus voters in 2004 didn’t choose a candidate until less than a month before the election. In New Hampshire, Richardson is at 12%, only 3 points behind Edwards in the latest poll.

    Richardson was the only Democrat aside from Obama to show an increase in donations in the 2Q over the 1Q 2007. He has strong organizations in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada. He has enough money on hand to run competitive races in each of those states. Clinton and Obama can’t risk spending all their money on the early caucus/primary states or they’ll have nothing for Super Tuesday on February 5th.

    The only governor competing for the Democratic nomination, Richardson is uniquely positioned to win in November 2008. Over the past 30 years four governors have won the presidency. In the entire history of our nation, only two senators have accomplished that feat.

    Once Democrats in Iowa, Nevada and New Hampshire focus on the race and the issue of how we leave Iraq, Richardson’s poll numbers will further improve.

  • Hawk

    If we commit American lives to the field of battle we should either be in the war to win, or we should bring every troop home immediately, consequences be damned.

    Why don’t you hold the current administration and the Republicans to this standard?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Why don’t you hold the current administration and the Republicans to this standard?

    I do. Bush wants to complete the mission in Iraq. Many Democrats, including all of their Presidential front-runners, do not.

    Am I wrong about this, or do you want to go ahead and admit that you’re wron right now?

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