Anti-Hunting Group With Misleading Name Is Circulating Petition In North Dakota

From the NRA (via email):

North Dakota sportsmen should be aware that a group cleverly calling itself North Dakota Hunters for Fair Chase is circulating petitions for signatures to place an anti-hunting initiative on the 2008 General Election ballot. Make sure that you and your family and friends do not contribute to this misleading, anti-freedom effort by signing these petitions!
This initiative effort is supported by the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), a Washington D.C.-based lobbying organization that spends $120 million a year in an effort to end all hunting and animal agriculture in the United States. Here are just a few quotes from Wayne Pacelle who serves as President of HSUS:
“If we could shut down all sport hunting in a moment, we would.” – as quoted by the Associated Press in Impassioned Agitator
“Our goal is to get sport hunting in the same category as cock fighting and dog fighting. Our opponents say hunting is a tradition. We say traditions can change.” – Bozeman Daily Chronicle
“We are going to use the ballot box and the democratic process to stop all hunting in the United States. We will take it species by species until all hunting is stopped in California. Then we will take it state by state.” – quoted from a first hand account of a speech to an outdoor ethics conference in Florence, South Carolina in the magazine Full Cry
The proposed initiative would ban private big game hunting preserves in North Dakota, a long-standing tradition in the state. This violates basic American principles of private property rights and sportsmen deciding for themselves how and where to hunt. Hunting ethics should be decided by each individual hunter, not by politically-motivated laws supported by radical animal “rights” interest groups.

Voters beware.
There was an effort to put this measure on the ballot in the last election and it lost. I don’t expect it to fair any better this time around.
Nor should it. Seems to me that if private property owners want to restrict hunting access on their property, and/or sell access to others, that’s their right.

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  • sayanything-2

    Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why can you not do that?

  • sayanything-2

    Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why can you not do that?

  • sayanything-2

    Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why can you not do that?

  • sayanything-2

    Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why can you not do that?

  • sayanything-2

    Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why can you not do that?

  • sayanything-453

    For the same reason you cannot prove you fuck*d your mother.
    You claimed you did, all you have to do is prove you did, easily done. Why can you not do that?

    You can make it stop, just prove you fuck*d your mother.

  • sayanything-453

    For the same reason you cannot prove you fuck*d your mother.
    You claimed you did, all you have to do is prove you did, easily done. Why can you not do that?

    You can make it stop, just prove you fuck*d your mother.

  • sayanything-453

    For the same reason you cannot prove you fuck*d your mother.
    You claimed you did, all you have to do is prove you did, easily done. Why can you not do that?

  • sayanything-453

    OK!

  • sayanything-453

    From their website:

    Welcome to the North Dakota Hunters for Fair Chase Initiative web site. The information on this site addresses the issue of breeding deer and elk for antler size, penning the animal inside an escape proof fence, and then selling a guaranteed shot at the product of a high fence operator's breeding program.

    Breeding a buck or elk for antler size and penning the animal inside an escape proof fence for a so called "hunt" is a disgrace. But an even blacker picture of high fence operations emerges when you consider that veterinarians at Texas A & M University have been cloning trophy class Whitetail bucks since 2003. The only reason to clone a trophy buck is so the people that run high fence operations can sell copies of the same buck to multiple shooters. Breeding and Cloning for antler size is light years away from fair chase. If the citizens of North Dakota stand silent in the face of the high fence threat, our hunting heritage will degenerate to a price tag on a cloned or specially bred animal.

    Section 27 of the North Dakota Constitution declares that:

    "Hunting, trapping, and fishing and the taking of game and fish are a valued part of our heritage and will be forever preserved for the people and managed by law and regulation for the public good."

    Penning selectively bred, hand raised, hand fed deer and elk inside an escape proof fence and selling a guaranteed shot at the animal threatens our hunting heritage in direct violation of Section 27 of our state constitution. This threat is why a group of ordinary hunters organized North Dakota Hunters for Fair Chase, and why we seek stop these operations by a vote of the people.

    The objective of the Fair Chase Initiative is to:

    Enforce the intent of Section 27 of the North Dakota Constitution;

    Protect and promote our hunting heritage;

    Leave our children and grand children a legacy of Fair Chase hunting;

    Prevent the creation and expansion of commercial markets for wildlife;

    Combat the bankrupt image the paid shooting of captive animals creates, an image that reflects on all legitimate hunters.

    In simple terms, we want to PROTECT WHAT'S RIGHT.

    There is right and wrong. Shooting captive deer and elk inside and escape proof fence is wrong.

    Oh deer another lie…

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    What this group says about itself, and what it's actual motivations are, are two different things.

  • sayanything-453

    How do you know their motivations?

    Furthermore what does the initiative say?

  • MarkSD

    I think something similar was tried here in SD a couple years back.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    The initiative would ban private hunting preserves.

    If I want to have a hunting reserve on my land that's my business. Period.

    Personally, as a hunter, I'm not into reserves. But I'm not goign to use the law to force my preference on others.

  • sayanything-316

    Right after the Leftards got their a$$es handed to them, was it 1994, I think (?) largely as a result of their furious anti-Second Amendment shilling, the Leftards created a front group.

    I believe it was something to the effect of Hunters for Common Sense Gun Rights They realized, belatedly, that the RKBA (Right to Keep and Bear Arms) was the secret Third Rail of politics and lost control of Congress in reaction to their wrongly-named Assault Weapons Ban and everything else they'd been shilling about.

    So they just did what the Left always does, lie about their real agenda. They now went from using the words Gun Control, which now was radioactive and used the buzzwords Common Sense and Reasonable.

    Their objective remained absolutely the same, they were just being sneakier about it.

    Leftist LIE, it's all they have.

  • sayanything-4603

    I agree about not being into reserves, but its like banning smoking in bars this group needs to be stopped as it would be another loss of personal property rights.

  • sayanything-316

    And, in follow-up to my last post, I can see the Brady Bunch, a brain-damaged, anti-American crew if there ever was one, are still using the new buzz-words:

    reasonable

    common sense

    pragmatic

    sensible

    And of course, they also completely spin the result of Conservatives staying home because they were completely uninspired by RINO's in Congress and a RINO Presidential candidate.

    But, as someone recently noted, these folks are so pathological, they believe their own lies and completely reject any facts that disturbs their perception of their own private Bizarro-world. http://www.bradyvoter.org/?bro_issue=nov&bro_year…

  • Starbanker

    Remember, back in the late 50's when all they wanted was a warning on a pack of cigarettes. If you would have said then, that you wanted to ban smoking outdoors, in cars and in the privacy of one's home you would have been lynched in the Court of Mockery. This is the insidious progress of do-gooderism…the incremental destruction of liberty. No doubt in the coming days we will hear that "this is for the CHILDREN" and this practice "costs taxpayers X amount of dollars a year."

  • Starbanker

    I guess I was wrong…They did bring up the old cliche "it's for the children." Just for the matter of fairness to animals…did the HSUS support kicking Saddams a** for all the spilled oil and setting oil wells on fire during the Gulf War?

  • sayanything-453

    I don't know, nor do I care!

    I deferred on the issue, since I agreed with Rob.

    The two issues are totally unrelated.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Anti-gunners, like other liberals, have found that they cannot bring about their agenda by being completely honest about who they are or what they want to do. They go by the motto: A lie is an abomination to the Lord, and a very present help in time of danger!

  • sayanything-4642

    "supported by the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS)"

    fukking sh!t. we give LOTS of money and our time to the humane society…… i wish theyd just stick to ending dog fighting, helping injured pets and puppy mills. i think we are going to rethink our donations now. that makes me very, very sad. we LOVE, LOVE, LOVE animals. i just cant support this kind of crap. FUKK!

  • I don't like to

    I am no "anti-gunner". If I'm gonna target practice, it'll be with a target, not a caged semi-domesticated animal. In fact, if you are FOR shooting a caged semi-domesticated animal that isn't in need of euthanasia, YOU ARE A PUNK-ASS BITCH, not a hunter.

    So, if you are a punk-ass bitch, don't sign the petition.

    The NRA does some good, but W T F are they fighting this for? This, and there backing of right-wing extremists, is why I will go out of my way to avoid giving them a dime.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I don't like today's GOP is jiggy with the use of deceptive names because…it's his own M.O.

  • Brent

    So, to be consistent, you are also opposed to raising cattle, chickens, turkey, bison, pigs, etc. for human consumption, right? I mean, they are 'caged' and they are killed, so you are a vegetarian, right? Right?

  • LBJ

    Vegetarian…no- but shooting a domesticated animal and rasing livestock are two totally different things. If you've had a pet- if the time came, would you take him/her in and have them put down respectfully or call your buddy's and let the highest bidder take the shot? Comes down to each individuals point of view, a lot like many issues. HSUS is dead wrong on a lot of issues…this isn't one of them.

  • sayanything-3174

    jimmypop,
    Donate to a local charity like Central Dakota Humane Society, they have no affiliation with phonies like HSUS to the best of my knowledge.

  • sayanything-3174

    "The NRA does some good, but W T F are they fighting this for?"
    Your question can be answered in this article and the NRA does more than "some good" they do A LOT of good. http://www.nraila.org/Hunting/Read/HuntingArticle…

    "This, and there backing of right-wing extremists"
    Again with this sh!t you fool? So you're saying Harry Reid is a right-wing extremist? LOL!
    Google it yourself, not only do they back Reid they back many other Dems as well.

    "I am no "anti-gunner"
    HA HA HA!!! You're a liberal, you're an anti-gunner.

  • sayanything-2

    HSUS is PETA, they hide behind multiple fake fronts and gather money from the unsuspecting. And remember, PETA kills more animals in its "shelters" than all municipal/county run animal shelter operations combined. And they routinely dumb the remains in residential waste dumpsters instead of following the law and properly destroying them.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    This, and there (sic) backing of right-wing extremists, is why I will go out of my way to avoid giving them a dime.

    That's okay, Idiot Below the standards of today's GOP. I'm a Life Member. Have been for some time. I've got you covered! Heh.

  • BeaElliott

    Fair chase? Is the hunting of "game" animals really a "fair" "sport"? Of course the hunter thinks so… The idea of a sport – is to "win"… or to "get out alive". Now as far as I know, the "contestant" prey stands to "loose" his/her life… However, the other "contestant" predator (the hunter), only stands to loose time/money/effort… The stakes are not "equal" – AT ALL! So how on this lovely earth can you possibly consider this a "fair" rivalry?

    And there are those who say they should not be judged… Yet, you and your ilk get to decide and judge the extinguishment of an Other's life! That's serious business- to take a life… It bears the consequences of being judged. Good/bad – Right/wrong… We do it all the time! Certainly something as severe as "hunting" deserves much critical examination. And the frivolous "justifications" do warrant total rejection of the barbaric practice!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Jimmy, separate your local humane society from this national group.

    Local humane societies limit themselves to the things you talk about. This national group, unfortunately, gives them a bad name.

  • I don't like to

    I don't see a lot of cattle and chickens being "hunted" is their pens. How much would you pay to go to a zoo and shoot a tiger, ya punk-ass bitch?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    Fair chase? Is the hunting of "game" animals really a "fair" "sport"?

    Spoken like someone who has never actually been hunting.

    Even with the best equipment, hunting requires skill. Though I'll admit to not having a taste for "game reserves." Smacks of fish in a barrel to me, but to each their own.

    It's not any worse than a slaughter house.

  • I don't like to

    It is much better than starvation and disease.

    Rob claims, "It's not any worse than a slaughter house."

    It is often much worse than a GOOD slaughter house. I don't see many butchers tracking a blood trail for a mile after blowing the knee out of a cow. Hunters should be marksman, not redneck amateurs. If ya can't shoot a pie tin at 1500 yards, you shouldn't try to shoot a whitetail, get crawling fatass.

  • Christine

    If I remember correctly, the last attempt at this type of ban would have also also banned the domestic raising and slaughter of "game" meat, such as venison and buffalo farms.

  • sayanything-5371

    You are clueless. And hypocritical. Talk about passing judgement! You won't be happy unless your obsessed freakass is running everyone else's life.

  • I don't like to

    “Game farming commercializes the last remnants of the great wild commons, it seeks to privatize what is held in trust by all of us, it domesticates the wildness we sought to preserve, and it trivializes what is exceptional . . . . The things we value die inside the woven wire of game farms.”

    Jim Posewitz, Orion-The Hunter’s Institute.

  • I don't like to

    "I should much regret to see grow up in this country a system of large private game-preserves kept for the enjoyment of the very rich. One of the chief attractions of the life of the wilderness is its rugged and stalwart democracy; there every man stands for what he actually is and can show himself to be."

    Theodore Roosevelt

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    OMG, people want to make money off of hunting? They see their land as their property and not some sort of common property?

    GASP! Who are these people, Americans who live in a free country founded upon free market principles or something?

  • I don't like to

    "In October of 2009, the United States Supreme Court rejected an appeal filed by Montana High Fence operators alleging that Montana citizens violated their property rights when they voted to outlaw Canned Shoot operations. The Montana operators fought the ban for 9 years filing suit in every court available to them. The Supreme Court rejection exhausts all legal avenues available to the High Fence operators. They lost. The issue is settled. The courts have spoken. Canned Shoot operators do not have a Constitutional right to fence deer and elk inside an escape proof pasture and offer them up as targets to well-heeled clients."

    "Judge Haddon stated in his opinion that “There is no fundamental right to run your business as you see fit. A game-farm license is a privilege, not a vested right. It can be taken away or modified.”

    The High Fence operators argued an unconstitutional taking of property but didn’t base their takings claim on an actual taking of their property. They still owned the elk but could no longer sell a shot at the animals they owned for a high price."

  • I don't like to

    Here is the measure, it's not scary or overreaching.

    BE IT ENACTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF NORTH DAKOTA:

    SECTION 1. A new section to chapter 36-01 of the North Dakota Century Code is created and enacted as follows:
    Fee killing of certain captive game animals prohibited – Penalty – Exception. A person is guilty of a class A misdemeanor if the person obtains fees or other remuneration from another person for the killing or attempted killing of privately-owned big game species or exotic mammals confined in or released from any man-made enclosure designed to prevent escape. This section does not apply to the actions of a government employee or agent to control an animal population, to prevent or control diseases, or when government action is otherwise required or authorized by law.

    SECTION 2. EFFECTIVE DATE. This Act becomes effective on November 1, 2012.

  • sayanything-453

    I see no wrong with this measure. I hope it is enacted.

    If one wishes to hunt, then one better get his aSS in the woods and try to find the animal he seeks to hunt. If succesfull in finding such animal, then he/she should take a shot (or more) at it.

    Real hunting for real hunters.

    The rest is for pu$$ies like robert180 and 2hotel9.

  • rightwing conspiracy

    There are a whole lot of the "hunting elite" hanging around Nodak Outdoors site that support the North Dakota Hunters for Fair Chase.
    http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/

  • rightwing conspiracy

    Here is the other side of the coin:
    http://www.ndpropertyrights.com/

  • sayanything-463

    NRA sent out two emails – one about the 2008 initiative petition and then a corrected one with the proposed 2010 petition on the same day. Yeah these folks are gonna keep trying and trying and trying . . . . .

  • sayanything-2

    Yep, nothing "scary" or "overreaching" in this,"This section does not apply to the actions of a government employee or agent to control an animal population, to prevent or control diseases, or when government action is otherwise required or authorized by law." Just ends all hunting and takes private property and puts it under the direct control of government. No wonder you support it.

  • sayanything-2

    Where is all your proof that Christians are using terrorism to force people to convert to Christianity, whiny lying c%nt? All you have to do is prove you did not say it, easily done. Why can you not do that?

  • sayanything-453

    For the same reason you cannot prove you fuck*d your mother.

    You claimed you did, all you have to do is prove you did, easily done. Why can you not do that?

  • sayanything-2

    You can make it stop, just prove you did not say it.

  • sayanything-453

    For the same reason you cannot prove you fuck*d your mother.

    You claimed you did, all you have to do is prove you did, easily done. Why can you not do that?

    You can make it stop, just prove you fuck*d your mother.

  • sayanything-4523

    Is Kevin Porter involved with this? just kidding!

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