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The underlying problem, aside from political correctness and apathy disguised as tolerance, is religious extremism. I hate religious extremists, whether they are Islamic, Christians, Jews, whatever. Where I part ways with the rightwing is where they think Christian extremists are somehow exempt from the phenomena of religious extremism. Islamofascists want to destroy the Christian religion, and Christian extremists want to destroy the Islamic religion.

Religious extremism is a disease, period.

My son, who spent some time in London recently, tells me London is full of unassimilated, hostile, unemployed Muslims.  He said there is no correlation between our Muslim problem here in the US (small, but growing), and the one the British are trying to deal with. We primarily complain about Mexican illegals, who are essentially sneaking in the country to find jobs--and finding them--and the Muslims who appear to be taking over Europe for reasons that should concern all of us.

Immigration is like a leaky roof; if you don’t fix it, the problem just gets worse.

Religious extremism is a disease, period.

As is socialism, only not nearly as virulent or nasty!

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I hate religious extremists…

Actually, to a socialist, all religion is “extreme”, because it interferes with the proletariat’s allegiance to the State.

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to a socialist, all religion is “extreme”,

That’s true of the anti-religious right as well.

It’s just not tolerable that people are motivated by or even led by something greater than themselves.

The allegiances are different but no less blind on the part of the secular right as well.  Allegiance to the state is allegiance to some Utopian free market libertarianism without a soul. 

Sorry guys, it’s the truth.

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Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

Allegiance to the state is allegiance to some Utopian free market libertarianism without a soul.

Wrong, Gene.  The free market is “free people making free choices”; it’s based on individual self-interest, and isn’t utopian in any way at all.  Liberaltarianism is just an absence of moral judgment, and the free market depends on a system of morality to function, otherwise it’s just robbery and murder, and not a market at all.
The free market is about making transactions, not about religion at all.  You try to mix the two, and so fall into error.  The market works best when Godly people participate in it.

I don’t even know what you mean by “anti-religious right”.  It makes no sense.

Will America hold to the principles of capitalism and free enterprise or will it embrace elements of socialism, Marxism and communism? Those are our choices.
Voting for conservative Republicans is the choice for free enterprise, personal, economic, religious and political freedom; any other choice supports socialism, Marxism and communism.
Throw out the Dems and the RINOs; save America

And instead of expelling those people back to the hell-hole countries they crawled out of, Europe tolerates them in the name of multiculturalism.

Ah, if only the Nazis had won.  They were the best at fighting tolerance and multiculturalism.

So - if they’ve done this out of concern for the safety of their people, how is this another sign of them tucking their tails between their legs and slinking away from the Islamafascist threat?

Because Brussels, like much of the rest of Europe and, increasingly, the United States, is more worried about offending someone than calling a spade a spade:

So how does this work?  You create a post about a topic that has almost NO relation to your main thesis?  This is pathetically predictable. 

Well, what can I say?  Here is a little bit on non-political correctness and calling a spade a spade:  YOURE A NUTJUB!!!

Truth be told, I am almost more scared of people like you than the “hate preaching, unwashed Mullah from Scotland to Prague” because when they say something stupid, it makes them easy to watch, because were looking out for these guys, but idiots like YOU who say stupid things all the time and its not recognized as the lunacy it is....it just multiplies through the irrational, illogical and sophomoric minds of the sheep you shepherd.  All the while you breed a fear that is far worse than any verbal thread a moronic Muslim might make.  Because it’s obvious its the quit ones we need to keep an eye on in our society.

The cancellation of the New Year’s celebration in Brussels is just the beginning. Soon either the fear of angering Muslims or the crawling, on the knees desire to pander to them will begin to cause all of Europe to begin to unravel if they don’t step on the Islamists and step on them hard. But they won’t. That might offend someone.

Hey DUMBSHIT, they are worried about S A F E T Y, not hurting someones feelings you fricking moron!  You leaped to an illogical, irrational conclusion and your stupid story doesn’t support YOUR STUPID THESIS.

Ah, if only the Nazis had won.  They were the best at fighting tolerance and multiculturalism.

In addition to violating Godwin’s Law, your comment is extremely unfair. The Nazis hated others because of their race/ethnicity, regardless of their innocence. Pilgrim is talking about expelling those that wish to cause harm to the citizenry of the European nations. Pilgrim isn’t saying that tolerance itself is bad; simply that blind and unconditional tolerance of everything/everyone, especially those that wish you harm, is illogical.

As is socialism, only not nearly as virulent or nasty!

Dude, that’s all you rant about, like the drooling and insignificant moron you are.

You are a fine example of the moronic sheep this moron shepherds.

And instead of expelling those people back to the hell-hole countries they crawled out of, Europe tolerates them in the name of multiculturalism.

Ah, if only the Nazis had won.  They were the best at fighting tolerance and multiculturalism.

The Nazi’s were the National Socialist Party, they were not free market capitalists or in favor of democracy, they were intolerant to be sure, about everyone and everything; and like the Democrats here today, they demanded everyone tolerate everything they wanted to be tolerated and not tolerate everything they felt was intolerable - to them. It is not a matter of toleration at all, which by they way the word originally had to do with religious toleration, it is a matter of who decides what is to be tolerated and what is not and I assure you the Democrat Party is intolerant of anything not on their approved list. Funny, mass murder of innocent children in the womb, physician assisted suicide, active euthansia and other means of state sponsored murder ARE on their list of things to be tolerated.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

and like the Democrats here today, they demanded everyone tolerate everything they wanted to be tolerated and not tolerate everything they felt was intolerable - to them.

Hmmm?  Well THAT sounds interesting.  But here’s the catch on this lie, HOW DO YOU DIFFER FROM THAT remark Nieman?

I can’t wait to see this!

Hannitized....

I think I’ve figured out who you are. You’re my ex-wife, aren’t you? Because no matter what I say you retort with a thoughtless, name calling tirade.

By the way, moron, the term “calling a spade a spade” has nothing to do with race or racism. It has to do with cards. Only politically overly sensitive idiots would find it offensive. Oops. I forgot...you do.

As for the issue being about safety - why is that? It’s because they’ve allowed the Islamists to spew their bile unchecked and the results are what you see now.

And get this, brainiac - there is a HUGE difference between the Islamists who want to take over the world and the ordinary Muslim immigrant who moved to Europe to make a better life for their families.

Ahhh...my day is complete. I’ve infuriated Hannitized.

Are you sure you’re not my ex-wife?

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Socialist is telling us that religious extremism is a disease--rabid Christians are on the same plane as their bombing, beheading Islamic counterparts.  Convenient thought, but utter nonsense, unless Socialist can site some current examples of Christian murder and mayhem against their Muslim brothers and sisters.

Given the mission statement of al Qaida and the stoneage management style of the Taliban, killing as many of them as possible would make sense even if they were Godless heathens--or Baptists, for that matter.

Hanitized can be excused for missing the shepard’s point--it is nuanced.  I believe the Shepard was cautioning the flock that the Belgians find it necessary to cancel their New Years Eve celbration because they are sniveling, politically correct cowards--like the congressional Democrats.

You’re my ex-wife, aren’t you?

Are you fantasizing about me now?  Please....stop.

Because no matter what I say you retort with a thoughtless, name calling tirade.

Thoughtless?  That’s a riot. 

Do I name call you?  Yes.  Guess why genius?  Because your broad brush attacks on the left....INCLUDE ME!  Gee, you think you can figure it out now?? 

Or are your irrational and uninformed conclusions excluding me in someway?  I would like to know how you view varying nuances between the Democrats and American Left.  Hint...were not talking about the FAR LEFT.

By the way, moron, the term “calling a spade a spade” has nothing to do with race or racism.

Really?  Ya think?  Why don’t you tell me where I said it did?

As for the issue being about safety - why is that? It’s because they’ve allowed the Islamists to spew their bile unchecked and the results are what you see now.

You see?  And you call me moronic?  That is PURE LOGICAL BACKFLIPPING by any definition. 

In fact, it is so screwy I hardly know where to start to debate that completely thoughtless remark?  Would you like to engage in a debate about causal factors that relate to homegrown terrorists attacks?  Or, are you even talking about Homegrown attacks?  Who knows?  Because this post was so poorly written and so poorly addressing actual examples and facts, I cant fricking tell!

Hannitized.....

Lighten up, for pete’s sake.

I have this vision of you crouched over your computer in your mommy’s basement (okay, maybe over the garage), fingers flying as you pound the keyboard (okay, maybe one finger), tiny flecks of foam forming in the corners of your mouth as you express your righteous rage (okay, spout nonsense) at me.

Have you had your shots?

Lighten up, man (Okay, woman or whatever)...it’s just a political debate about my opinion. I don’t expect to agreed with by everyone.

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Truth be told, I am almost more scared of people like you than the “hate preaching, unwashed Mullah from Scotland to Prague”

Well then Hannitized, you’re an idiot.
Even accepting (for the ske of argument) that Pilgrim is an idiot...how does that make him scary? I think you’re an imbecile, but that doesn’t scare me. Indeed, I’m often amused by your ranting. 

Yet you claim that “No, the people who want to kill me aren’t scary...the people who say FOOLISH THINGS are scary...because they think they’re smart!” Cause everybody knows that it’s preferable to be hacked to death than to hear something they don’t like.

What a dunce.

I hate religious extremists, whether they are Islamic, Christians, Jews, whatever.

The difference, Socialist, is that the 50 Christian extremists are all in Fred Phelps Church. While they are annoying, and even offensive, they aren’t dangerous. Jewish extremists...have a 10 candle menorah or believe that beef is bad. IDK. Only Muslims are producing real extremists, who are killing innocent people.

In your rush to make all religions equivalent (they all have extremists after all!), you’re creating extremists in your head for two religions, while ignoring the only one’s that actually exist.

Religion isn’t a poison, those who refuse to look at the world as it is, and speak in such broad terms...are a poison.

The equivalence of Che Guevara and Adolph Hitler is a valid one. And in many ways Che was a worse monster. While Hitler sat back and let underlings do his dirty work, Che did much of the killing himself and personally trained the execution squads who did the rest. He personally murdered political opponents, whereas Hitler outsourced that duty.

When we look at the “socialist paradise” that is Cuba, we must remember that a sizable share of the misery those people suffer is directly attributable to Che Guevara bringing Castro into power, and giving him many of the policies that have caused so much pain. The real symbol of Che should be the raft, to remind us of all those who have died on rafts in the ocean trying to escape the Cuban nightmare and get to freedom. And had he not been killed, begging for his life like a coward, he would’ve done the same thing again and again in countries all throughout Latin and South America. His actions have inspired terrorists across a continent and caused countless deaths.

Every leftist who celebrates Che is celebrating a murderer, a monster, and a Marxist who is directly and indirectly responsible for wide spread murder, starvation and fascist states. They may as well worship Hitler, because the two men shared not only an ideology, but results. And Che never got the trains to run on time.

I would like to know how you view varying nuances between the Democrats and American Left.  Hint...were not talking about the FAR LEFT.

Trick question. There isn’t any difference.

""That’s the problem with you lefties, you’re not willing to get your hands dirty. I’d suggest you roll up your sleeves.”

-Jack Bauer

Well, I’m here in NYC and Bloomberg already has a bunch of helicopters flying over the city to keep an eye out for those terrorists he believes are no big deal.

No doubt those NYers who believe that everyone right of Stalin are Nazis will be freaking out tongiht thinking that BushCoMcHitlerburton is after them.

unless Socialist can site some current examples of Christian murder and mayhem against their Muslim brothers and sisters.

I can site all kinds of Christian murder and mayhem, going back several hundred years (they did not limit themselves just to Muslims either):

- The crusades, where the European armies were saying, as they slaughtered both Christian and Muslim Arabs: “Kill them all, God will know his own.”

- Europe’s Reformation and Counter Reformation Era, when two thirds of the Christian population of Europe was slaughtered by Christians

- The African slave trade - claimed the lives of 10 million

- The Colonial Conquests - where estimates for the number of Native Americans slaughtered by the Europeans in North, Central and South America run as high as 20 million within three generations.

Those are just the pre-20th century examples. The best current example is the fascist act of aggression in Iraq, resulting in the needless deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis and Americans, and who knows how many thousands of wounded. All this from a president who says he is a born again Christian.

Just to grasp the mentality of the modern day rabid rightwing Christians:

Jerry Falwell - “Blow them (Muslims) all away in the name of the Lord.”

Ann Coulter - “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.”

Nice bit of idiocy.  When asked for current examples he goes back at least a thousand years.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

When asked for current examples he goes back at least a thousand years.

No one ever accused Socialtwit of being the sharpest cheese on the palate!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Damn, Pil! I’ll have to scan back through your posts of the last 9 days and laugh at sannitized.

It is truly sad that The Low Countries, one of the historical beacons of religious and cultural tolerance, are allowing themselves to be driven into submission by a pack of 7th Century dogs. More sad, in fact, than the Islamic people’s allowing of the same pack of 7th century dogs to keep them in submission.

fascist will no supply you with a list of Christian Fundamentalists doing what Islamic Fundamentalists glory in, me bairns. What it will supply is a list of Christians attacking Muslims after being attacked. And toss in the meme"two wrongs don’t make a right”, while lecturing us as to the fact that those Christians should forgive the Muslims what murdered them. I think that ‘bout sorts out that sack of bumholes.

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Comrade Socialist:
The problem with laying these crimes against the Christian Church is for you to find any justifications for it in the New Testament. Yes, there have been many murderous acts committed in the name of Christ and the Church throughout the past two millennia and such people deserve their condemnation, including not a few Popes.

On the other hand, in the Hadith the oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Hadith collections are regarded as important tools for determining the Sunnah, or Muslim way of life, by all traditional schools of jurisprudence) and the The Qur’ān (Arabic: القرآن al-qur’ān, literally “the recitation”; also sometimes transliterated as Qur’an, Koran, or Al-Qur’an) is the central religious text of Islam. Muslims believe the Qur’an to be the book of divine guidance and direction for mankind and consider the text in its original Arabic to be the real word of Allah, revealed to Muhammad by Gabriel over a period of 23 years and view the Qur’an as God’s final revelation to humanity” They are both filled with commands to torture, rape, extort and murder all unfaithful Muslims and infidels.

Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”

Tabari VIII:141 “The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: ‘Kill! Kill! Kill!’”

Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive.”

Ishaq:489 “Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing.”

So, while some people calling themselves Christian ahave committed such acts, they are not supported by Scripture. On the other hand Islam often commands its adherents to kill without mercy.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Just so you understand what it’s all about, the terror, murder, bombings and executions of radical Islam has a death toll since 9-11 of 10,262 people.

If you take 2 minutes to look at the religion of peace website it will tell you all you need to know.

Oh, and those who say western civilization is intolerant and murderous now and in the past should read this summary:

the AVATAR
Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

Ann Coulter - “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.”

Just good military strategy to use against those who have the goal of “invading our countries, killing all the population, except those who will submit to Islam” which is the way of radical Islam.

Thanks for pointing out that there’s no real comparison.  The other part you leave out is that the terrorists are doing their slaughtering in the name of Islam.  We’re killing them because they want to kill us.

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Voting for conservative Republicans is the choice for free enterprise, personal, economic, religious and political freedom; any other choice supports socialism, Marxism and communism.
Throw out the Dems and the RINOs; save America

Thank you for bringing new meaning to the old phrase “pleading the fifth”

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

What are you babbling about, realitydenyingboob?

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Hannitized.....

Lighten up, for pete’s sake.

Oh yeah...i forgot...it’s JUST a blog.  And you are ONLY talking about...what again?

“Political correctness is a slow form of suicide for Western democracies. The Islamists see that quite clearly and you can bet they high-five (or whatever it is Islamists do for spontaneous celebration - beat ther wives, maybe) every time we defend their right to say they want to destroy us.”- Pilgrim

Oh yeah.....i forgot.  You only wan’t us to send Muslims back to their country?  I don’t know why, because I dont think you can come up with a single instance where we defend the Muslims rights here in America to say they wan’t to destroy us, without being investigated by the FBI, CIA or taking into some court.  Can you? 

Or are you merely talking out your fanny again?  Because that it what it looks like to me.  In addition to wanting a Masse deportation of Muslims I guess?  Who knows?  You have yet to makean intelligent point

I have this vision of you crouched over your computer in your mommy’s basement (okay, maybe over the garage), fingers flying ...

Oh yeah, my nonsense of asking you to make a frickin argument instead on ranting right-wing lunacy.  And you said this is a DEBATE????????  Hahaha. 

And again, I really dont care what you think of me....im not here to “impress” you.  I am here to show how stupid the right is with their nonsensical right wing blather (and how dangerous).  Oh excuse me...Memes.  You really think your making an argument?

Have you had your shots?

Look brother, you want to have a “cool” contest with me?  Just say the word!  What do you do for fun?  Besides..um..."debate"?  Anything exciting?  What goes down in ND?  I live in Hawaii, i have been surfing for over 24yrs..  I surf the North Shore this time of year....im in technology for a livin....i date girls...lots of them when im single.  Right now Im dating a nice American born Brazilian girlie who is a director in film. 

Your turn.

Lighten up, man (Okay, woman or whatever)...it’s just a political debate about my opinion. I don’t expect to agreed with by everyone.

So you say, yet you never actually.....debate.  You know?  Your premise is heavily flawed and when I asked you to step up, you make your silly jokes and run away.  It’s what you always do.  NO SUBSTANCE.

Stand up, be a man, speak your peace or shut your pie hole!  Because it seems to me that a post about the beginning of the end of the Western Civilization is sort of important to us.  Isn’t it?

I think your a phony, a charlatan who doesnt have an original thought of his own to articulate.  You exist here merely for your little laughs at our countries expense. 

You may not think so, but IT IS important to have responsible political discourse in our country.  And blogs and people like you are not only frauds but youre much worse, dangerous.

You may not think your opinon matters, but you only stoak the fires of ignorance and hatred towards the left.....50% of your country.  Nice job!

Kenny<

Even accepting (for the ske of argument) that Pilgrim is an idiot...how does that make him scary? I think you’re an imbecile, but that doesn’t scare me. Indeed, I’m often amused by your ranting.

OK, you got your shot in.  Now what?  Did you have a point?  It doesnt look like it.  Are you asking my why anyone should be scared of Pilgrims irresponsible ranting?  I coulnt tell, because behind your insults and right-wing circle-jerking...there was nothing.

Yes it’s scary.  Because when the mob gets out of line, then what?  Do you know what happened to many families of WWII who suffered great loss from being directed to the nearest internment camp?  Good, American families?  Good Japanese families who’s loyalty was with the US.  Is that what you want?  Or do you think its a good idea that every-time we get scared of our enemies we group them in a lump and ship them back? 

Or, are you saying, like perhaps Pilgrim is that nobody in this country is paying attention to fighting militant Islam in our borders?

Yet you claim that “No, the people who want to kill me aren’t scary...the people who say FOOLISH THINGS are scary...because they think they’re smart!”

No, thats NOT what I said.  I said people like Pilgrim scare me more.  Because Mulsims who say they want to kill us in our country....ARE WATCHED.  And if memory serves, how many times have we been attacked since 9/11?  Rest assured we will be again, but it wont be because lefties defending Muslims rights to talk about killing us.  YOU CANT provide any evidence to support that argument.

Cause everybody knows that it’s preferable to be hacked to death than to hear something they don’t like.

What does that even mean?  Idiot.  It’s not that “I don’t like” what Pilgrim says, its that ITS NOT RESPONSIBLE DISCOURSE.  He won’t even defend his position.  Instead hes feeing the subtle minds more garbage that further hurts our political system and our political leadership. 

Why is it scary?  Why?  Because he is dreadfully incorrect and he is a promoter of hate.  Its dividing this country unnecessarily when we should be standing together.  We should be looking for similarities, not IMAGINED differences that come in form of a strawman argument.

You Idiot.

Funnier and funnier. Glad I suspend the 10 Word Regimen whilst I am catching up. This is some seriously funny shit sannitized has been posting. These last 2 are hilarious.

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This is some seriously funny shit sannitized has been posting.

When was the last time you saw that many words disconnected from a thought that didn’t have “Ron Paul” or “neocon” in it?

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

P, I been stuck with ABC, CBS, and NPR for news for a week. I needed a good, cleansing laugh to start the year.

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No, thats NOT what I said.  I said people like Pilgrim scare me more.  Because Mulsims who say they want to kill us in our country....ARE WATCHED.  And if memory serves, how many times have we been attacked since 9/11?  Rest assured we will be again, but it wont be because lefties defending Muslims rights to talk about killing us.  YOU CANT provide any evidence to support that argument.
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Why is it scary?  Why?  Because he is dreadfully incorrect and he is a promoter of hate.  Its dividing this country unnecessarily when we should be standing together.  We should be looking for similarities, not IMAGINED differences that come in form of a strawman argument.

Well, first, Hannitized, I wouldn’t go around saying “Hey you moron jackasses, we all need to be friends.” You engage in ad hominims more than anyone else here. Then, you have the unmitigated gall to accuse others of being divisive. You’re a prick, and then you bitch that people don’t like you.

Moreover, you still haven’t showed me why your comments shouldn’t be considered idiocy. “He’s scary because he’s not being watched!” Um, what? He’s posting this on an insanely popular blog that YOU are reading. Regardless, how does that make him scarier?

So, I stand by my comments, which weren’t straw men arguments, that saying that Pilgrim (who’s opinions you don’t agree with) is scarier than people who want to kill you is far more irresponsible and divisive than anything Pilgrim has said, it’s also imbecility.

The only straw men here are the ones you’re propping up. I don’t have to prove that leftists are going to get us killed, because I never claimed any such thing. In fact, I even stipulated that Pilgrim was an idiot (if only for the sake of argument). I never said I agreed with him, and, in reality, I think his point wasn’t argued terribly well. Yet you come in, guns blazing, saying he’s scarier than violent Muslims. I’ll repeat your comments:

Truth be told, I am almost more scared of people like you than the “hate preaching, unwashed Mullah from Scotland to Prague” because when they say something stupid, it makes them easy to watch, because were looking out for these guys, but idiots like YOU who say stupid things all the time and its not recognized as the lunacy it is....it just multiplies through the irrational, illogical and sophomoric minds of the sheep you shepherd.  All the while you breed a fear that is far worse than any verbal thread a moronic Muslim might make.  Because it’s obvious its the quit ones we need to keep an eye on in our society.

What in there is responsible, let alone intelligent, criticism?

And where did you rationally critique me? “Republican circle jerk”? Yea I “insulted you”, but I backed it up with a reason. Pilgrim doesn’t set social policy. He doesn’t command an army. He’s some dude who spouts off his beliefs on a web site that people read, and even, disagree with him on. It’s not promoting hate to say that Europe is giving in to violent extremists. Or even that those who cause violence get their visas or green cards revoked. While his argument is clumsy, it hardly is hate speech. And the overall point is correct.

So, before you accuse others of being divisive, setting up strawmen, and ad hominims, maybe you need to do a little self reflection.
As Christ said “Before you take the splinter out of your friend’s eye, you must remove the beam from your own.”

The equivalence of Che Guevara and Adolph Hitler is a valid one. And in many ways Che was a worse monster. While Hitler sat back and let underlings do his dirty work, Che did much of the killing himself and personally trained the execution squads who did the rest. He personally murdered political opponents, whereas Hitler outsourced that duty.

When we look at the “socialist paradise” that is Cuba, we must remember that a sizable share of the misery those people suffer is directly attributable to Che Guevara bringing Castro into power, and giving him many of the policies that have caused so much pain. The real symbol of Che should be the raft, to remind us of all those who have died on rafts in the ocean trying to escape the Cuban nightmare and get to freedom. And had he not been killed, begging for his life like a coward, he would’ve done the same thing again and again in countries all throughout Latin and South America. His actions have inspired terrorists across a continent and caused countless deaths.

Every leftist who celebrates Che is celebrating a murderer, a monster, and a Marxist who is directly and indirectly responsible for wide spread murder, starvation and fascist states. They may as well worship Hitler, because the two men shared not only an ideology, but results. And Che never got the trains to run on time.

Ken, sannitized is another of those socialist idiots, wants everyone to be friends as long as being friends involves groveling on their knees before the Great And All Knowing Marx, the Archangel Lenin, and their bastard child Stalin. Wasting any time doing anything other than heaping derision upon its pointy socialist head is just that, a waste.

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Well, first, Hannitized, I wouldn’t go around saying “Hey you moron jackasses, we all need to be friends.”

With Hannitized, that’s a courting ritual!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Hotel:

Damn, Pil! I’ll have to scan back through your posts of the last 9 days and laugh at sannitized.

I do seem to annoy the lad. Or lassie. Or whatever. For some reason he - she, it, whatever - takes umbrage at just about everything I say.

Heh.

Election ‘08 - We Are So Screwed

I just love these morons, always screeching, pissing&moaning, and crying about everyone has to do what THEY say and if you don’t you are evil and hegemonistic and jingoistic and poopyheaded. And yet they have nothing, are nothing, and do nothing of any use to anyone. Ever. Period.

Now it will toddle in and post a pile of cut&paste crap that no one will read. Typical leftarded moron.

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For some reason he - she, it, whatever - takes umbrage at just about everything I say.

I’m thinking the ”ex-wife” theory looks pretty good!
(I’d throw in something about “lunar cycles”, but then, I’d never hear the end of it !)

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Well, first, Hannitized, I wouldn’t go around saying “Hey you moron jackasses, we all need to be friends.” You engage in ad hominims more than anyone else here. Then, you have the unmitigated gall to accuse others of being divisive. You’re a prick, and then you bitch that people don’t like you.

Kenny,

Youve got it all wrong.  I selected the title Hannitized, because HE is a prick and I am tired of being the nice guy.  I am giving it back, in spades.  YES, I am a prick and I don’t care if people don’t like me.  In fact you wont be able to find one complaint about it.  I only complain that they say stupid things and lack a point.

So do you understand?  I am a prick on purpose because most of the right-wing circle jerks like Proof or 2Hotel deserve nothing less.  If however you approach me with respect and want it in return...ill play nice.  But I am not leading with it, because i have been burned too many times. 

“He’s scary because he’s not being watched!” Um, what? He’s posting this on an insanely popular blog that YOU are reading. Regardless, how does that make him scarier?

The point is, he is scary because his irresponsible political discourse is damn near hate speech that divides the country by promoting false arguments.  Being a prick doesnt do that!  It’s a far greater fear because NOBODY is paying attention to the damage that is being done by our own kind.  On the contrary, WE ARE watching after the terrorists. 

So, I stand by my comments, which weren’t straw men arguments,

No no, Pilgrim made the strawman argument.  There is no causal relationship between concerns for safety and political correctness.

that saying that Pilgrim (who’s opinions you don’t agree with) is scarier than people who want to kill you is far more irresponsible and divisive than anything Pilgrim has said, it’s also imbecility.

I disagree.  We do something about terrorists, we sit idly by and let people like him make our country more divisive.  Besides I said “almost” more scary.  I will describe the difference.

It is one thing to say that I worry more about dying from an terrorist than a blog.  But I am not afraid of death or my enemy.  I am afraid of our country being ruined from within, not external forces, I know we can and will prevail....if we stick together.  THAT is why Pilgrim is more scary to me.  The only people who can destroy America, are Americans...(ourselves), not the terrorists.

I don’t have to prove that leftists are going to get us killed, because I never claimed any such thing. In fact, I even stipulated that Pilgrim was an idiot (if only for the sake of argument). I never said I agreed with him, and, in reality, I think his point wasn’t argued terribly well. Yet you come in, guns blazing, saying he’s scarier than violent Muslims.

Ok, lets try it another way.  Who is causing more problems for the Muslims advancement of civilization?  The Americans or themselves and their mindless propaganda that is based out of ignorance and fear?  If you guessed themselves, maybe now you might get the idea???  Maybe you’ll understand I dont know?  Personally, I have to say that you aren’t coming across very insightful, TO ME.  This isn’t a one way street ya know!

Pilgrim doesn’t set social policy. He doesn’t command an army. He’s some dude who spouts off his beliefs on a web site that people read, and even, disagree with him on. It’s not promoting hate to say that Europe is giving in to violent extremists.

He doesnt set policy, but look at his following.  Look at guys/girls like Robert, 2Hotel and Proof.  They feed on this and then repeat it, sometimes on the air.....its embarrassing for them and anyone who is responsible, but others buy into this and it reflects in their VOTE.  You don’t think VOTING MATTERS????

So, before you accuse others of being divisive, setting up strawmen, and ad hominims, maybe you need to do a little self reflection.
As Christ said “Before you take the splinter out of your friend’s eye, you must remove the beam from your own.”

Dude...HE posted the article...NOT ME.  His post is a divisive propaganda piece not supported by one piece of evidence!!  It’s obvious that you can’t separate yourself from Pilgrims argument, that is a reflection on your reading comprehension, not my argument.  I think you probably understand this now, hopefully.

Ken, sannitized is another of those socialist idiots, wants everyone to be friends as long as being friends involves groveling on their knees before the Great And All Knowing Marx, the Archangel Lenin, and their bastard child Stalin. Wasting any time doing anything other than heaping derision upon its pointy socialist head is just that, a waste.

6546 comments, and I will guarantee all of them were just as meaningless, non-substantive as that lunatic, paranoid rant that has no basis in reality or evidence to support its claims.  You are a retarded lightweight Hotel.

Oh no, divisive opinion!

Can the Republic possibly survive?

Two: Starve the troll; don’t take the bait.  Don’t be a foolish trout biting a rubber cricket.

Will America hold to the principles of capitalism and free enterprise or will it embrace elements of socialism, Marxism and communism? Those are our choices.
Voting for conservative Republicans is the choice for free enterprise, personal, economic, religious and political freedom; any other choice supports socialism, Marxism and communism.
Throw out the Dems and the RINOs; save America

If however you approach me with respect

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Hannitized! Your like a rabbit on crystal meth.

First off, I’m glad socialist has stopped blogging on this article.  Too bad he can never admit when he’s wrong because he doesn’t realize he has the power to change his mind.

Secondly, your initial accusations toward this article as divisive propaganda is just an assumption of right-wing tactics.  What if this division was apparent in Europe, doesn’t someone have the duty to bring it into light?  Suggest even the possibility befoe you have even looked for the facts.  Which doesn’t appear that you have.

If you come out flailing generalizations that same generalizations are going to be made against you, and the arguement becomes pointless.  Like Cats and Dogs who innately never cooperate.

I myself have a huge hunch of this possiblity, I know that society has the holes in it for this situation to leak through.

A more just, simple, and mature arguement would be to demand Pilgrim for evidence for his claim (Which is really what this article is all about) and tell him that you don’t believe until it is supported.

With the way you hate divisive fearmongering propaganda as a political tool I would think your a righty, but when you immediately start calling people idiots to express your blatant unhappiness it is more than clear that you are of the lefty caste.

r, with each cut&paste diatribe it posts here it makes my point. And is oh, so funny!

dirl, I ain’t debating or arguing with it or fascist, merely heaping derision upon them. Neither of them is honest or genuine in any of their comments, the one being a euro-trash teenybopper and the other being of false religion cultist who scams old people out of money to finance its vast online scam empire. You will note that sannitized skirts the real issue, and refuses to acknowledge the simple fact that the Low Countries are the historical seat of religious and cultural tolerance in Europe. Inconvenient facts are oh, so inconvenient.

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A more just, simple, and mature arguement would be to demand Pilgrim for evidence for his claim (Which is really what this article is all about) and tell him that you don’t believe until it is supported.

Oh bruther!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have already taken that tack and really....you think I wouldnt think of that, BASIC approach? 

What do you think the big minds response was????  Silence!  He hid from the challenge because guess why?  He has no evidence.

Two: Starve the troll; don’t take the bait.  Don’t be a foolish trout biting a rubber cricket.

Two, take his advice.....STOP TALKING TO ME....PLEASE.  You have nothing of substance to offer, you couldn’t make a legitimate point with a knife and a wooden stick and additionally.....YOURE A FUCKING MORON who has nothing to say except...Socialism.

Rubber cricket.

Will America hold to the principles of capitalism and free enterprise or will it embrace elements of socialism, Marxism and communism? Those are our choices.
Voting for conservative Republicans is the choice for free enterprise, personal, economic, religious and political freedom; any other choice supports socialism, Marxism and communism.
Throw out the Dems and the RINOs; save America

Evidence? Actually I believe Pilgrim was linking this event to the growing trend of Islamist take-over in Europe.  THAT is evidence…

What one calls an event, you call propaganda, and I call a theory.  (Islamist take-over)

You need to consider the fact that from a certain perspective this event does lead to his thesis and is justifiable.

Just like how Environmentalists can even relate the decrease in temperature to global warming.

Do you disagree with the war on terror?

If I didn’t make it clear Hannitized, you make a fair answer.  This is not evidence.  It is an event that is linked to support a theory.  However, I do find the theory plausible.

Hannitized,

You are so full of crap.

1. Hannity is one of the nicest pundits out there. He is the only guy on the air you can call and say “Fucking die”, and he’ll still accept your call. There’s not a single leftist who accepts that kind of call.
2. You accused me of strawmen and circle jerking. While I did call you stupid, I provided a reason. You claimed I was a right wing hack and ignored any points I’d made.
3. Muslim’s piece was divisive....

So is yours. We disagree. But if you approach every person with “Hey asshole, I hate you, and you’re a prick”, how are you not being divisive. HEll, I tried to reach out and be at least SOMEWHAT friendly (much more than other people I have talked to), and you ignored my points.
And finally
4. It is politically correct types denying there is anything wrong with Islam who are hindering Muslim reform. Not those who criticize it.

The equivalence of Che Guevara and Adolph Hitler is a valid one. And in many ways Che was a worse monster. While Hitler sat back and let underlings do his dirty work, Che did much of the killing himself and personally trained the execution squads who did the rest. He personally murdered political opponents, whereas Hitler outsourced that duty.

When we look at the “socialist paradise” that is Cuba, we must remember that a sizable share of the misery those people suffer is directly attributable to Che Guevara bringing Castro into power, and giving him many of the policies that have caused so much pain. The real symbol of Che should be the raft, to remind us of all those who have died on rafts in the ocean trying to escape the Cuban nightmare and get to freedom. And had he not been killed, begging for his life like a coward, he would’ve done the same thing again and again in countries all throughout Latin and South America. His actions have inspired terrorists across a continent and caused countless deaths.

Every leftist who celebrates Che is celebrating a murderer, a monster, and a Marxist who is directly and indirectly responsible for wide spread murder, starvation and fascist states. They may as well worship Hitler, because the two men shared not only an ideology, but results. And Che never got the trains to run on time.

sannitized, all you have is socialism. And each time you get called on your anti-human, anti-American crap you cry like the pissy little eurotrash beeatch you are. Now, wawawawa for us some, sweety. Cut&paste some more crap that will not be read. We never get tired of that.

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You are so full of crap.

Ha!  If I am full of crap then you must be full of bullshit, because I answered every non-point you raised.  Let’s parse this puppy.

1. Hannity is one of the nicest pundits out there. He is the only guy on the air you can call and say “Fucking die”, and he’ll still accept your call. There’s not a single leftist who accepts that kind of call.

Look, you think he is swell, I think he is a prick.  There is no arguing this point, is there?  Were talking about opinions right now.  Any proof I will provide will not be accepted by you. 

The only thing you can say is he doesnt use curse words, but thats only because he cant.  You can still avoid using them and still be a prick.  Anyone remember when he stood up for Ted Nugent?  Only a prick would have done that.

2. You accused me of strawmen and circle jerking. While I did call you stupid, I provided a reason. You claimed I was a right wing hack and ignored any points I’d made.

Kindly point me to where I called ANYONE a hack?  Then point me to where I specifically called you any of those names.  Hint: I didnt.  Do you really think this is debating????

Further, I answered all of you non-points. 

So is yours. We disagree. But if you approach every person with “Hey asshole, I hate you, and you’re a prick”, how are you not being divisive.

Look, I haven’t called you a single name yet.  I certainly haven’t specifically singled you out.  And further, I have great deates with pparets all the time, and sometimes bat.  The difference with them is they can put aside my asshole remarks to stupid people like 2hotel who can only offer up Socialism in every argument, and recognize my argument and respond, and in turn, I respond respectfully in an intellectually honest manner. 

So please, don’t try and confuse me being a prick towards idiots on a blog vs. making posts that are politically divide parties.  It’s one thing to be mean, its another to create false arguments and strawmen (see Pilgrim) in an effort to create hatred towards a party and their beliefs.  Again, there is NO CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN POLITICAL CORRECTNESS AND TERRORISTS WHO WANT TO KILL US.  PROVE ONE.......GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OR GIVE UP.

HEll, I tried to reach out and be at least SOMEWHAT friendly (much more than other people I have talked to), and you ignored my points.

Kenny, you cant be serious.  First, kindness only breeds kindness.  I was just as friendly to you.  Further, I answerd all of the points you made....just look at my post.  What did I miss?  Is your idea of me paying attention to your point mean that I must agree with it, even if I see absolutely no logic or reason in what you said?  Is that what a debate is to you?

If you feel I am off the mark logically, spell it out.  THAT is what debating is.

It is politically correct types denying there is anything wrong with Islam who are hindering Muslim reform. Not those who criticize it.

Now you realize this is the only point you have made, in this last comment, right?  Anyway, let’s look at what you are saying:

First, can you give me an idea of a “politically correct type that denies there is anything wrong”?  Because I can’t tell if you are talking about Muslims or Americans.  Are you suggesting that because we aren’t mean to Muslims we won’t be able to change them?  What are you suggesting?  Are you suggesting that we send Muslims back to their country for no reason?  What?  I can’t even recognize a real argument here!

It never fails to C&P, and throws in a big teary wawawawa. Too damn funny.

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Every hate preaching, unwashed Mullah from Scotland to Prague says the same thing: Europe will fall to Islam.

And instead of expelling those people back to the hell-hole countries they crawled out of, Europe tolerates them…

Pilgrim, we have a process of law in Europe that prevents us from expelling refugees or immigrants without cause. We must have evidence before we can proceed, but as soon as that evidence is available then we act. 

Evidence and here and here and here and here .

Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

Nice work Mano!

I requested that Pilgrim provide an example to support his argument.  But I think that sort of thing, sticking to facts, supporting your argument with evidence is beyond him. 

That aside, there IS a chance he COULD provide evidence.  All of the links you offer only show what you and I already know, they don’t mean an example the he imagines doesn’t exist.  Therefore, it is still required that he provide the evidence that allow him to come to his “conclusion”.

Perhaps in the land of OZ, there are people who take their political correctness too far and defend the Muslim ‘preachers’ right to call for death upon us all?  You and I haven’t seen it, but we don’t live in fantasy land.

Pilgrim, we have a process of law in Europe that prevents us from expelling refugees or immigrants without cause. We must have evidence before we can proceed, but as soon as that evidence is available then we act.

Please do not preach to us about the superiority of Europe. We bailed you all out twice in the last century at the cost of the lives, healthy bodies and prosperity of many Americans. We love England, but the rest are socialist turds.

We too have a process of law about expelling people; but if you have a law about not expelling snakes from your bed and you allow them to stay there while you work out the means to extricate them, you can get bit in the butt and die waiting. First, don’t allow even one more Islamic