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I love how the campus police got out front on this and made the statement that no one could have stopped this had they been armed. And why will they not release this a$$hole’s name? They know who he was, have said he was a grad student, and yet they don’t give a name. Only repeatedly say he is a White Male. Wonder why?

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Hotel,

They can say what they want but one trained person in the crowd would have made a difference, If nothing else to engage and distract so more kids could have gotten out.

Frankly, if it had been me, at the very latest when this guy paused to reload it would have been over.

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I live 20 miles from this campus.  Know some of the people involved (injured) but not killed. 

The concealed carry law is up for debate right now in IL.  I’m hoping this will spur us toward sanity.

At least the campus cops were armed.  Va Tech cops were not.

This is a sad situation and an indicator of what happens when a person without hope driven by an evil devil lives without fear of eternal consequence.

That’s why I do what I do and call it out whenever I see it. 

The local news says he was a white male grad student who at one time did go to this college. 

I am discouraged that no one took their books, laptops, anything and just threw it at the guy, no one fought back.  It’s that passivity that troubles me. 

I think if you are attacked, you need to, you must, your natural instinct must be to stand and fight.

Or maybe that’s just me.

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Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

Unfortunately most gun owners aren’t trained, they just like shooting things and animals and people.

Why do the gun nuts all think that basic gun safety should be strictly voluntary?

Seriously, I just don’t get it and would like to know why you don’t want basic gun safety to be mandatory.

Jack:

Seriously, I just don’t get it and would like to know why you don’t want basic gun safety to be mandatory.

Huh? Who said anything about gun safety not being mandatory.

Gun safety - to anyone who truly knows guns - is a religion. Are you referring to the gun free zones as part of “basic gun safety’?

And, one more thing.....I’m not a “gun nut”. BUT - between the military and my career now I’ve got 26 years under arms and guns have been the tools of my trade. I’m VERY familiar with what constitutes safety and what doesn’t. Cowering unarmed under a desk waiting to die at the hands of a lunatic ain’t it.

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Kids are indoctrinated from infancy that fighting back is wrong, that you have no right to self defense.

Jackoff’s point is that people have no right to self defense, the State is the only entity that has rights. And anyone who possesses a gun is a nutjob who has to hunted down and killed by the State. Right, Jackoff? That is what you have told us all before. Remember, Jackoff? You really you can just toddle through here and spew stupidity and no one will remember you?

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Been sweeping news sites and still no name for this “White Male”. Wonder why that is?

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Pilgrim:

Obviously you are a responsible gun owner, and I certainly have no problem with people like you.

However, the present system of unlimited-firepower-to-any-asshole-who-wants-it doesn’t require ANY assurances that the person buying an automatic assault weapon isn’t mentally ill, or unable to handle the weapon, or whatever.

I would think that responsible gun owners such as yourself would know how dangerous these weapons are in the wrong hands and therefore would support common sense gun control to try and keep dangerous weapons out of the wrong hands.

Jackoff’s point is that people have no right to self defense, the State is the only entity that has rights.

I never said anything of the sort. The fact that you can say something like this simply confirms that you are mentally ill.

Hey, if it were up to me, gun education would be part of required curriculum at school. Even if you never own a firearm in your life, you should know the basics of safety and handling a firearm.

But mandatory training in a school will never happen. *shrug*

Nobody mentions the success of the gun free zone.  If security had been unarmed the ratio would have been about 1 gun for 10 to 20,000 people.  About as close to zero as you can reasonably achieve, the system works as intended. 

I’m with you Gene.  It sickens me to think of people hiding under their desk hoping the guy runs out of ammo on their neighbor before nutjob gets to him.  A classroom full of sheep would react more positively.  We weren’t made to be this way, the fire should be hotter.

I would think that responsible gun owners such as yourself would know how dangerous these weapons are in the wrong hands and therefore would support common sense gun control to try and keep dangerous weapons out of the wrong hands.

Guns were in the wrong hands here. Gun safety is not something that enters the minds of lunatics who wish to kill as many people as possible. So your basic premise is false. Pro-gun advocates wish more people were armed to prevent something like this.

And to get a carry and conceal permit, you need to be trained to use a gun.

Nobody mentions the success of the gun free zone.  If security had been unarmed the ratio would have been about 1 gun for 10 to 20,000 people.  About as close to zero as you can reasonably achieve, the system works as intended. 

This WAS a gun free zone. And that’s why he slaughtered people so efficiently. That is the “success” of the gun free zone.

And why in God’s name would you want SECURITY of all people to be unarmed?

Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

It’s surprising that, in rural DeKalb, someone wasn’t armed whatever the rules are. The shooter was intent on killing and dying. No amount of gun control is going to stop this kind of thing. In this situation, perhaps, if you are a cop or combat soldier who just happen to be in this classroom and have your weapon at the ready, you could have saved 1 or 2 lives in this situation. You can say if I had my gun and I was there all you want to. If you are a student and have your gun in your backpack, it would have made no difference. There’s a pretty big leap between having a gun and being in a gun battle.

The campus did a very good job of responding. They obviously had put a plan into place.

I see it didn’t take the anti-gun fanatics too long to jump on the dead bodies of these kids.  Maybe we should set a knee-jerk precedent; let’s say we ban all the guns from law-abiding citizens leaving only the police the military and the criminals with them.  Because we all know that the police never infringe on our rights, the military would never follow an unlawful order, and the criminals will be detoured by our no guns and gun-free zone signs.  The city of Chicago has 2.8 million people and only 13,000 Police officers, that’s one officer for every 215 people, sure makes me feel safe. Take a look for yourselves at the response time of your local police department; ask yourself if you can fight for your life, against a stronger opponent, for that long.  The anti-gun fanatics are willing to sacrifice the lives of a few law biding citizens to push their social agenda, because the alternative would be to have to accept the fact that citizens have a right to defend themselves with deadly force if necessary and the constitution protects their right to possess the most effective tool for this purpose.  I respect people who are non-violent and applaud them for trying to live their lives in a caring and enlightened manner, but most of us have to live in the real world where there are people who will take your life for the shoes on your feet, with whatever weapon is at hand be that a rock, club, knife, or gun.  Of course you could get lucky, not all of the police in New Orleans ran maybe they will show up just in time. Are you willing to bet your life?

If the gun control laws were BETTER, this nut would have never had a gun in the first place. 

He had mental problems and was on medication, and stopped taking them.

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The solution for guns is more guns?
The solution for rape is more rape?
The solution for heroin is more heroin?
The solution for pollution is more pollution?

You folks are screwy! OK, so “some” folks in schools are armed. So what is next - Oh, the killers go to Wal-mart. And any of ten million other places where they can “shoot fish in a barrel”.

For some amazing reason, most of the “first” world gets away with people acting civilized and does not have to resort to “mad max” solutions.

So now you are going past gun rights...to force clerks at wal-mart to have guns? You are really nutso!

The anti-gun fanatics are willing to sacrifice the lives of a few law biding citizens to push their social agenda, because the alternative would be to have to accept the fact that citizens have a right to defend themselves…

Hey Mike,

Why is it that antis are the fanatics, but the pros are not?  You guys did the same thing in terms of jumping on this to push your agenda, only more so.  A perfect example of right-wing hypocrisy.  Thanks.

Also, this dude had issues.  If we had better gun control laws, he wouldn’t have been able to get a hold of the firearms he used.  Do you disagree with the idea of keeping guns away from those who are on medication for psychological reasons?

Pooh Bear (!) said:

So now you are going past gun rights...to force clerks at wal-mart to have guns? You are really nutso!

Boy, THERE"S a leap in logic. Who said anything about arming clerks? Typical leftists hysteria.

And mike said:

Take a look for yourselves at the response time of your local police department; ask yourself if you can fight for your life, against a stronger opponent, for that long.

Bingo. Mike, your whole comment is a common sense stance. Good post.

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However, the present system of unlimited-firepower-to-any-asshole-who-wants-it doesn’t require ANY assurances that the person buying an automatic assault weapon isn’t mentally ill, or unable to handle the weapon, or whatever.

Let me just set the record straight.  A automatic assault weapon cannot simply be purchased from any gun dealer.  Only certified class 3 dealers can make a transfer of such items and they are already HEAVILY regulated.  Since the National Firearms Act of 1934 (thats right 1934) any automatic weapon is restricted to registration, background check, fingerprinting, and a tax.  As well as new automatics being prohibited from civilian ownership if they were made after 1986.  Oh and this ignores that most automatics cost between 10,000$ and 15,000$!

Please dont believe the garbage the media spits out.  They never get the facts straight about firearms in general.

It’s been more then 25 years since the shooting of President Ronald Reagan and Press Secretary Jim Brady.  And in that time, our gun control laws have become ever more cumbersome and comprehensive, and yet the random, wanton killings have continued.

By early this summer the Supreme Court will have decided the District of Columbia handgun control case, and that decision should provide a more reasonable starting point for discussions of what to do.  But clearly more stringent gun control legislation and regulation has not worked, and we are already well beyond any reasonable compromise with Americans’ Second Amendment rights.

Maybe its the people, not the guns, that need closer regulation.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

This also parallels another tenet of the left: By outlawing guns, all guns will go away and gun crime will cease to exist. But like the “Gun Free Zone” fantasy, when that happens only criminals or those who choose to ignore the law (usually those on the fringes of society) will have the guns.

I have no problem with gun free zones but the real problem here is leftist naivety (stupity?): Buy simply declaring something the right thing will just happen. Gun free zone? Sure, guns will just evaporate within the declared area. Please, get real. Reality is that there has to be some means of keeping the declaration and then (in the case of gun free zones) protecting the inhabitants by enforcing the declaration.

With something as serious as people’s lives, you’d think that the left would take things like “gun free zones” and keeping them that way a little more seriously.

Pooh Bear, you’re writing the equation as if inanimate objects can kill of their own volition.  This is impossible, so let’s try again:

One solution for criminals using guns is for the law-abiding to defend themselves with the same.

Got it?  I don’t know if I could have, as Pilgrim says, fired a shot to drop this guy.  Thankfully, I’ve never had the “opportunity” to engage in a possibly lethal confrontation. 

That said, if NIU and the state of Illinois hadn’t prevented lawful carry, that would have been something that the assailant wouldn’t have known, either.  Lawful carry tends to prevent mass killings just due to uncertainty.

Hey Jack, it is VERY difficult to acquire Class 3 weapons (full auto, silencers, SBR, SBS, etc) You have to go through a 4-6 month background check and pay a 200 dollar tax stamp and the only murder that has occurred since 1934 with a legally owned machine gun was committed by a cop with a MAC-10. .. A COP!

“Assault weapons” in their legally defined form and function are select fire weapons, meaning that they are Class 3. Semiautomatic firearms, under no uncertain terms, can be constituted as “assault weapons.” “Assault”, btw, is an action committed by one being unto another, not the inherent characteristic of a firearm.

Most people that buy firearms are not mentally ill. The VA tech shooter was an exception but that is because the psychiatrist/psychologist did not diagnose the guy correctly and the proper paperwork was not filed. By federal law, a gun dealer (FFL) cannot refuse the sale of a firearm to a qualified individual that passes all federal and state qualifications. Since he passed, he sold him the gun.

I am open to all critiquing, comments and corrections, if applicable.

Correction for typo on previous post… Semiautomatic firearms CANNOT, under no uncertain terms, be defined as “assault weapons”

Just had to clear that up.

You guys get all bogged down in your little word game, it just lets this plant have more attention.
I am the reason for government.  I do not exist to serve government, it exists to serve me.  I institute government to protect MY rights.  I am the authority in my life, government is there because I and others like me desire it.  It is not my master, it is not anything but a tool of my design for my use.  It has no power over me that I do not choose to relinquish.
I am the authority over my life, and protecting my life and those around me is my responsibility.  I grant government some of my authority to assist me in this job but it is my own responsibility.
Stupid people and those evil socialists who convince them that they have a stake in bad government can not take my responsibilities from me.  That cannot be done.  To vote as if it were possible and desirable is a clear display of either stupidity or evil intent.
The gun IS civilization.  It is what distinguishes us from the caveman’s law: the physically strong rule.
Our Constitution was written to ensure YOU cannot try to take MY authority to take care of my responsibilities.  So you must attempt to twist it’s simple clear language to gain a toehold with your socialist, anti-American ideas.  You use words with devious or no meaning ("automatic assault weapon") to inflame the mostly stupid.
That we have let you have so much sway is an indictment of the weakness we have shown.  Your kind must be defeated again every time you speak your poison.  THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.  I assume I do not need to explain to you, again, that the many limitations you would like ARE NOT PERMITTED by this language.
Gun control proponents handily lose this argument EVERY TIME THEY DEBATE IT, the problem is they know this, so when they come back and try again (evidence of the evil intent- they have been proven wrong already yet they try again) they then try to flood the venue with their poison leaving no room for the simple easy logic that refutes them so effortlessly WHEN IT GETS THROUGH.
You are evil, you want to spread it, and I won’t allow it to go unchallenged.
Gun control is evil, and you must be defeated.

Nathan:

Good post. Not that facts will deter the left from their rabid anti-gun sloganeering.

Like G Jiggy points out above - if tomorrow all guns in the U.S. were to be outlawed, does the left think that they will simply evaporate? That no guns will be left?

The ONLY people who will turn in their guns will be the law abidig citizens.

And as far as the latest shooter - does anyone out there actually think that, if he couldn’t have gotten his guns legally that there was no other way to get them?

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Pooh Bear,

Don’t know about the Walmart that you shop in, but if a nut started shooting in the ones in our area, he’d have more return fire than he could possibly deal with. Some wounded, some probably dead, and for sure one dead shooter.

Hey Jack, it is VERY difficult to acquire Class 3 weapons (full auto, silencers, SBR, SBS, etc) You have to go through a 4-6 month background check and pay a 200 dollar tax etc etc etc

If you think that current gun laws can keep high powered weapons out of anyone’s hands, including the mentally ill and violent criminals, you’re living in a fantasy world.

The gun show loophole alone should keep every responsible gun owner awake at night.

Jack, If you think that future gun laws will keep weapons out of the hands of criminals and psychopaths, You yourself are mayor of that fantasy world!

As in almost all cases of mass shootings, the lunatic shooter already has a mindset of suicide at the end of the carnage.  Therefore, the thought that there may be armed people in the sea of potential victims is really not a deterrent.  It just means that the shooter might not be able to kill as many people before he’s stopped by somebody elses hand.

I’m an advocate of second amendment rights and lawful carry/conceal.  Please don’t delude yourselves that this would deter the shooter in any way other than cutting the carnage short.

To the academic elite, please stop wasting money on Gun Free Zone signs and propaganda.  It doesn’t work.

Jack, If you think that future gun laws will keep weapons out of the hands of criminals and psychopaths etc etc etc

I think that mandatory gun registration in all fifty states would go a long way. So would mandatory background checks in all fifty states.

The bottom line is this: do you want MORE people shooting each other up or LESS people shooting each other up? Once you decide which you prefer we can have a rational conversation about how best to implement it.

I don’t pretend to have all the answers, but I do know that the present system of unlimited-firepower-to-any-asshole-who-wants-it is a disaster.

Jack, only about 2% of crime guns come from gun shows.  The rest are stolen, or are purchased from someone who is willing to sell firearms to known criminals.

Just like in the UK, where firearm crime has risen dramatically since they more or less banned gun ownership by the law-abiding.

Worry about gun shows?  Nope.  I get concerned about criminals, and the government programs that create and encourage them.

O.B. Driftwood: You comment on the mind-set of mass shooters is exactly right. Well said! 

Is there a common thread emerging among these murderers… They seem to have frequently “stopped taking their meds.” Who monitors them? Parents? Doctors? Law Enforcement? or worse.. ‘counselors’?

People that ill should be institutionalized and kept there. Then there will be no monitoring or meds problems.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“Glory is not a conceit. It is not a decoration for valor. Glory belongs to the act of being constant to something greater than yourself, to a cause, to your principles, to the people on whom you rely, and who rely on you in return.”
Senator John McCain, Faith of Our fathers

"Gun Free Zone” really just means “HELPLESS VICTIM SLAUGHTER ZONE”.
There used to be NO “gun control” laws at all and anyone could buy a gun anywhere. Crime was much lower and there were NO recorded school shootings.
WHY?
Cause and Effect:
When America was supposedly in the hands of “white, racist, homophobic, fascist, Christian bigots” there were no school shootings, most marraiges stayed together, NOW, with Liberalism the culture of the land, there is incredible violence and growing chaos.
Liberalism IS national suicide.

JS, Quinn’s 1st Law in action! Liberalism ALWAYS produces the exact opposite of its stated intent.

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Another government created, “victim slaughter zone”.  The cops can’t be every where. They were on scene in 2 minutes in this case. The state legislature bears responsibility for the creation of this “gun free zone”. More gun control is not the answer. England ( an island no less) has a total ban on private handgun ownership and all they have to show for it is increased crime, especially murders (with handguns).

I will say to those gun control nuts out there the same thing I said to a young man who brought a loaded shotgun into a crowded gun shop just before deer hunting season, ”YOU FUCKING IDIOT!” This is not my normal method of speaking, however, it was a very stressful time of year for clerks in gun shops.

On that occasion, I cleared eight rounds of steel shot from a pump action shotgun and let them fall on the floor where the idiot who’d brought the gun into the shop scrambled to pick them up.  Why he had steel shot in a riot gun, I don’t know… maybe he was hunting ducks, which would have been illegal with this gun.  This individual supposedly had some safety training.  Evidently the training evaporated when he left the classroom.

I have had cops hand me loaded guns in the store.  I’ve caught customers attempting to see if a shell would fit in the chamber of a used gun because he didn’t speak English and didn’t want to ask me if the gun he was looking at was a .22 LR or a .22 Magnum.  Apparently Hmongs like to use .22 Magnum on squirrels for some reason.  I snatched a Colt AR-15 from a teenager who was pointing it at his mother as a “joke”.  Gun safety courses are a good idea but not a final solution to human stupidity.

Now, there was a sign outside the store instructing people not to bring loaded guns into the building.  This man ignored the warning.  “I didn’t know it was loaded,” he wailed.  I really wanted to kill the bastard right then and there.  I didn’t.  I calmed myself, apologized for my outburst, and went about my business.

Had this idiot been a nut case, how many people could he have killed in a crowded store?  Answer; maybe eight or ten if I was real slow in getting my revolver into action, and if none of the other patrons had violated the “no loaded guns” rule on general principals, and if nobody else had grabbed a gun from the rack and loaded it in the store, and if the patrons had not charged him en masse and stomped him to death on the floor.  More than likely, I’d have gotten him before he’d fired too many rounds, but honestly, the best solution in that case would have been to mob the bastard.  That wouldn’t have worked with the shooter standing on an elevated stage in an auditorium.  He would have made a really good target there though.

True gun control is being able to hit what you shoot at.  That’s the only kind that ever works and the only kind that ever will.

I don’t see your problem with bringing a loaded gun into a gunshop.  I’ve carried concealed for years and that involves bringing a loaded gun into Burger King, Albersons and just about everywhere else I go.

Nobody knows, since it is concealed.

The gun leaves my holster to use it, clean it or store it.  Ted Kennedy has killed more people with his car than I have with my gun.

You’re just an idiot control freak.

how about locking the classrooms when class starts. metal detectors at entrance to all halls on campus and more armed security everywhere on campus. the schools have the money.  if the gun carry law doesnt ease up on campuses, then at least carry a 6” hunting or marine knife, ballbearings, slingshot, or something. if and when another shooting happens, the males in the classroom storm the bastard and stop him. not the time to be scared sheep. dg

how about locking the classrooms when class starts. metal detectors at entrance to all halls on campus and more armed security everywhere on campus.

How about not?

Freedom works better than fortresses.

99% of the people at colleges are adults. There is no reason why they can’t carry and go on about their business like normal adults. Locking themselves into huge campuses at the mercy of madmen and scarce police is not working.

During WW2, Hitlers men walked into the central registry of Poland amd picked up the list of regestered guns in the country. They then went door to door. If you did not surrender your “regestered gun” you were shot on the spot. Castro in Cuba did about the same thing. What we have here is spoken of by Sir Walter Raleigh who warned of “the sophisticated and subtle tyarant” who disarms the people to enslave them. Hence the reasons for the Second Ammendment, before and after.

Way to go, Idahoser!

With all the socialist hand-wringing going on here, I thought I had stumbled into one of those euroweenie sites.

If I’m on a plane that someone tries to hijack, I want an armed pilot to shoot him right between the eyes. If any of my children were to face one of these murdering campus nutcases, I want an armed CITIZEN to blow that kook away. Period.

The leftist media has has been caught on numerous occasions, trying to cover up when one of their fellow-travelers goes on a rampage. That’s why they don’t mind reporting on this particular nutjob’s background.

Thanks again, Idahoser. We are making some small progress here. This time ,the socialist MSM is not counting the killer as one of the “victims”.

The solution for guns is more guns?
The solution for rape is more rape?
The solution for heroin is more heroin?
The solution for pollution is more pollution?

You folks are screwy!

I love the strawman argument you make :^).  Try making a real argument.  Guns are not the problem.  And yes, more guns in the hands of responsible citizens is the answer.  If you want to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people fine.  Great idea.  And then once you get that to work we can we can use that system to keep drugs out of the hands of drug users.  Speaking of which you must be smokin’ crack if you think you’re going to stop evil people from doing what evil people do.

Wake up.

Hey Pilgrtim

It is clear from your comments that you do not know anything about guns or the guns lawsin the United States. Every person who buys a gun has to pass NICS background check.  If you have ever been declared incompetent or commited a felony they will not sell you a gun. There is no way of knowing what a person with a clean record who buys a gun will do with it tomorrow. But one thing is sure that more gun control is not the answer. Let me tell you something in the 30 years from 1966 until 1996 when the gun free zones were established there were less than 15 shootings of this type at a school but in the 11 years since the introduction of this foolish law there have been over 30.  YOu do the math!  We need to empower the people not infringe upon their rights to protect themselves.  The people who commit these types of crimes seek out situation where they can be in control because it makes them feel important.  This is an undeniable fact and once this is accepted you immediately can see that providing this person with opportunity is not a good idea. 

People who carry for protection are often retired LEOs or off duty cops or former military as well as common citizens.  But you are incredibly naive if you think these common citizens are similar to you but this is because you can only know your own limitations.  Trust me on this one for countless reasons which I will not go into here they are not like you and will not be useless when the time comes.  Many of these have spent hundreds of hours of time training on how to use a gun for self-defense often times side by side with law enforcement personnel.  The women who stopped the perp at the church was not a cop but she saved countless lives. 

It is understandable that sheep don’t like sheep dogs because they, like wolves, have long sharp scary teeth. But be aware, that while dogs can be scary when provoked they are still a sheep’s best friend.  This is because when necessary they can use their teeth to fight off the wolf and protect the flock.  You have much less to fear from a sheep dog than you do from a wolf and when the wolf comes the dog could save your life.

kattcrap, since Pil is a career law enforcement officer, and Corps veteran, he obviously knows more"about guns or the guns lawsin” than you are mentally capable of grasping. Perhaps you should back off the pipe, or double the dosage, what ever it takes to make you aware of the world at large.

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Mia culpa I was unaware that the name at the top of the post was not that of the person being addressed in my response. I now see that poster’s names are listed at the bottom and so I should say that I meant to address Jack. 

And by the way 2hotel9 based on what I now know about Pilgrim I think he like I can defend himself and does not need you wasting your precious time looking for my typos.

That said, thank you for calling the important error in my post to my attention.

In the name of every American that has sacrificed anything at all to assure your safety and rights, fuck you.

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Mia culpa

wasn’t she married to Woody Allen once?

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

Spartacus,

Nah!  You’re thinking of the porn actress, Mia Ferrule!

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

mea culpa, perhaps I was thinking of Mea Farrow

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

Latin confuses me, maybe it was Mia Farrow…

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

Sparatacus,

Never mind!

Love the Avatar, though.  ‘66?

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

...Thanks Bat...reminds me that I gotta get my mind out of the gutter and brush up on my Latin

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

Yep, 66...ground up restoration...I still have the bag of receipts that went into it, and after 5 years am still scared to sit down and total them up!

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

...in Latin coinage…

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

...might want to take a vacation and drive it to Latin America some day. Mea culpa they don’t speak Latin in Latin America, this is making me weary, Katt is complex!

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

Pilgrim said:

Frankly, if it had been me, at the very latest when this guy paused to reload it would have been over.

No one else did but you would have. Riiiiiight. Even if you did, it would only be if you hadn’t been shot already. Have you already forgotten about the armed guard at the church in Colorado Springs? One trained person with a gun probably saved dozens if not hundreds.

Spartacus,

If you’re going to Latin America with Mea culpa can I come too.

I’m sure the three of us would get along great!!

(Plus I love the Peakin’ Duck they serve down there)

Oh well, let me know!!

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

No one else did but you would have. Riiiiiight. Even if you did, it would only be if you hadn’t been shot already. Have you already forgotten about the armed guard at the church in Colorado Springs? One trained person with a gun probably saved dozens if not hundreds.

Forgive him, Pilgrm.

Apparently he’s one round short.

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

10:30 on a Monday night, the “stress” of school must be terrible.

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GUNS KILL PEOPLE. (Now that I’ve gotten your attention!) That’s just as ridiculous as saying, “White men kill people” as the perpetrator of this incident was a Whiteman. Let’s go on to say, “Asian men kill people” referring to the Virginia Tech incident last year and also the Hmong shooting incident in the Wisconsin woods. Let’s do one or two more and say, “Black men kill people” and “Hispanic Men kill people”. Let’s ban them all! That’s the kind of Diversity that we don’t need to embrace.

Look, the killing and injuring has to do with the condition of men’s hearts. No legislations on earth will fix that. The conformity of the hearts is where all things need to begin.

Unless the Reign of Christ returns to public square as Soveign and King over men’s hearts, this sort of thing will continue again and again and again.

Thanks, Asian American.  Did you see the testimony by the one individual who pointed out that Cain slew Able with a club.  Evil is in the world.  Guns are not the problem, evil people are and will be unless He is in their hearts.

Communism is evil

AA, until such time Americans have the God Given Right of self defense. Why are people in our government fighting toi strip us of that Right?

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