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Who were our Presidents in the 80s?
Who supplied Saddam with computers to keep track of his enemies, helicopters to drop poison gas from, tanks, bacterial cultures?
You know who.

Mil-8 helicopters are Russian. Pumas are from France. Chemical processing equipment,construction, and training from Germany. Artillery counter-battery radar and TOW missles from U.S.A.. Yea, it is our fault, we are sooooo quilty.

"The 1994 Senate report found that the United States had licensed dozens of companies to export various materials that helped Iraq make mustard gas, VX nerve agent, anthrax and other biological and chemical weapons.

Shipments to Iraq continued even after the United States learned Hussein had used chemical weapons against Iranian troops and Kurdish villagers in northern Iraq in 1988, according to Senate investigators.

Vice President George Bush met with Iraq’s ambassador and assured him that Baghdad would be permitted to receive more sophisticated U.S. technology, 1986-90, the Reagan and Bush administrations approved licenses for the export of more than $600 million worth of advanced American technology to Iraq, according to congressional reports.

“The United States had a very different posture toward Iraq in the 1980s, when it was politically and militarily advantageous to use Iraq as an ally against Iran, Wright said. “Our attitude toward Iraq has been opportunist, rather than principled.”
Some of us are more guilty than others

Which Senate Report, specifically please. 600 mil. sounds about right. Artillery Counterbattery Radar systems are, and were, expensive. So are TOW missles and their attendant equipment and training. As for American companies selling refinery and chem. processing technology and equipment, yes, we did sell that to Iraq. Can that same T&E be used to make nerve and chemical agents. You bet your ass they can. Did Germany and France have deep interests in the pesticide and bio-medical industries of Iraq and the rest of the Mid-east. Oh, yes, they did and do. Did Russia have an ongoing relationship with Iraq at any point since 1918. Several, didn’t you notice the abundance of Russian Armor,APCs,Trucks,etc,etc. Please get that Report number. I can find it quite by myself from that.

Senate report in
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/12.15A.iraq.us.names.htm
this is not about hardware this is about people who knew what Saddam was and what he was doing.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend

It’s a very good philosophy sometimes, woof.  Sorry if you disagree

Darlin’, number please. Don’t link TO and bring up Mah. Bazzi’s piece. Military and Petro/Chem processing tech&equipment ARE expensive,and are you so willing to not see the involvment of others in any activity in the Mid-east. My, what a tiny,little world you must live in.

Saddam was our guy , yeah other countries took his money and sold him weapons. that doesn’t absolve anyone.

2Hotel9 just cause your panties are damp and in a bunch don’t call me Darlin’, go back out to the barn.

What a sad,pathetic world you live in. When you excuse others behavior to denigrate your own.

There are no permanent allies.

There are no permanent enemies.

There are only permanent interests. 

All nations follow this maxim of international politics.

Let me see, WOOF’s logic:
We were friendly with Saddam in the past when Saddam was a homicidal dictator.

Saddam continued to be a homicidal dictator, so therefore...we should continue to be his friend?

Really WOOF, what are you driving at? Do you have some sort of a point? Also a little thing you shoud be aware of: George W Bush probably had little influance over the policies of either Regan or his father.

G W Bush eliminated a brutal dictator and his regime, and the whole world is better for it. Anyone who craps on that fact is pining away for the good ole days of torture, rape, fear, and murder.

"pining away for the good ole days of torture, rape, fear, and murder.”

These are the good old days.

Mission Accomplished, year three begins.

Another aging wannabe heard from.

In the ‘40s there was a name for people like you. Fifth columnists. You want America defeated and cast down by the death worshipping Wahabists. Do you think they will thank you? Give you preferential treatment? Place you in charge over the masses of their slaves,and take you into their inner circle? You are the first they will target,"When the Infidel outstreches their hand,cut it from their arm.” That is their philosophy and the commandment from Allah, do you think you can negotiate with the Chosen of God? How delusional.

Another Fifth Columnist heard from.

2hotel9
I like this better
When the infidel stretches their hand you should duck, for a bullet is headed your way.

G W Bush eliminated a brutal dictator and his regime, and the whole world is better for it. Anyone who craps on that fact is pining away for the good ole days of torture, rape, fear, and murder.

Let us not forget AWOL George offered to allow Saddam to stay in power so long as he disarmed.

So, anyone who claims it was always AWOL George’s intention to rid Iraq of a brutal dictator is delusional.

Like Seth Williams.

2hotel9, they are also the first we will target. Know the enemy so you can destroy them!

2hotel9, they are also the first we will target.

Not much chance seeing Maxx unass his easy chair and amble his fat butt out to attack anything.  Unless it’s a double meat pizza.

2Hotel9, Saddam a Wahhabi?
That’s why we invaded?
Get real.

You don’t get the logic seth...Bush team lied about weapons. Bush team said to saddam team and the nation “saddam, there will be peace if you disarm.” However when Bush team said this, they knew there were no weapons for them to throw down. They were going to invade annnyyywaaaayyyy....Your idea of the “conspiracy” is completely correct, and you are in fact taking JG down a step in the argument, except that within the whole of the scenario you actually believe Bush team’s decleration of innocence where there is only evidence of guilt...aka your very argument. You probably can’t digest it, and I don’t feel like writing an essay...but here’s a starter: why DID Bush team offer to let him stay in power?

Jade: what is it with you and this whole AWOL George bit? Ditto you and Malkin’s name. What are you, in 2nd grade? Really, grow up.

I really, for the life of me, can’t understand why you pine away for a dictator like that.

Let us not forget AWOL George offered to allow Saddam to stay in power so long as he disarmed.

Wait a second here Jade, I thought Bush was lying about the WMD? Gee, if he knew there weren’t any when he made that offer, then he must have known he’d have to invade.

Ain’t it a bitch when your memes collide?

I want to know who is ghosting my posts. Third time I have posted a specific term, and within 3 days I see it being used in print at several places. I wrote a post using Fifth Columnist at 4 different blogs on Thursday, this morning I see that very term being used in stories in several newspapers. Coincidence? Is somebody googling blogs for words or terms to use in stories? Most strange.

Wait a second here Jade, I thought Bush was lying about the WMD? Gee, if he knew there weren’t any when he made that offer, then he must have known he’d have to invade.

So, you’re conceding that`AWOL George lied?

Time to think, Seth; you can’t have it both ways.  If you’re saying AWOL George invaded because he wanted to free the Iraqi people from dictatorship--you have a problem in that` AWOL George is on record as saying Saddam could stay if he disarmed. 

OTOH, if you claim it was about WMD and Al Qaeda, you have a similar problem in that the existence of evidence for either simply did not exist.  And as we now know, there were no WMD and no links to Al Qaeda.

No matter how you try to slice it, AWOL George lied.

Any five year old knows that to lie requires malice of forethought.  If everyone in the world said Saddam had WMDs and GWB believed them, then he could not, by definition, lie. 

If the weatherman says that tomorrow is going to be sunny, based on current information, and it ends up being cloudy, does that mean that the weatherman lied?  Come on sheeple, think for a change.  Of course those who hate will refuse to think because it conflicts with their beliefs.  To them, Bush lied and nothing in the world can convince them otherwise, because their minds are shut to any other possibilities. 

So go ahead and screech “Bush Lied!” and those of us who exist in the real world will laugh at your childish hatred and ignorance.

If everyone in the world said Saddam had WMDs and GWB believed them

False premise.  AWOL George had access to the world’s best intelligence and that intelligence was saying the case for WMD was very shaky.  In addition, there were inspectors incountry saying they hadn’t found anything.

Which intelligence organizations said the information was shaky JG?  If what you state is true, then you should be able to produce that information.

I will provide some quotes for you from Democrats, who believed Saddam had WMDs(then conveniently forgot what they said):

“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force—if necessary—to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

“Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

I sure looks like everyone thought Saddam had WMD’s, the question is where did our intelligence go wrong.  That is a far more serious problem than whether “Bush Lied”.
Now, given this information, will you persist in your fantasies, or deal with reality.  My guess is the latter, because your fragile ego can’t handle being wrong.

Which intelligence organizations said the information was shaky JG? If what you state is true, then you should be able to produce that information.

As a certain inbred perfesser from Wayback University might say: ‘Indeed.’

http://www.nci.org/i/iaea10-8-98.htm

http://www.odci.gov/cia/reports/721_reports/jan_jun2000.htm

http://www.odci.gov/cia/reports/721_reports/jan_jun2001.htm#4

http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/iraq-wmd.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A56336-2003Jul14?language=printer

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0706-02.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1258268,00.html

http://www.detnews.com/2004/nation/0402/07/nation-57828.htm

http://www.theolympian.com/home/specialsections/War/20030927/110326.shtml

http://www.theolympian.com/home/specialsections/War/20030927/110326.shtml

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/08/26/time.iraq/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-09-26-iraq-alqaeda_x.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2727471.stm

Media organizations are intelligence organizations?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

As for the CIA reports, I’ll quote one of the sources you have given.
“We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs, although given its past behavior, this type of activity must be regarded as likely”

What do you think “likely” means.  There are numerous other instances where the absence of WMDs could not be verified.  So much so, that all the worlds leaders and politicos could come to no other conclusion but Saddam had WMDs.  Please don’t play the Monday morning quarterback card either, because it is dishonest and illogical. 

The fact is you hate Bush and you will mine for any information to prove that your hatred is valid.  The Nazis did the same thing to justify their hatred of the Jews.  You must feel proud to know that you share the same virulent hatred towards another person as the Nazis. 

Again, show me where the CIA, Interpol, Deutsch Bank, Scotland Yard have said that Saddam had no WMDs. 

Maybe you just like to make excuses for keeping brutal dictators in power.  Maybe you share their same lust for power and dominance.  Judging by your behavior and hatred, I would say that both are true.  After all, if you were in power, Saddam would still be killing human beings.  It’s your move, and I know what it’s going to be, after all, your tactics are transparent and uncreative.

By the way, Jade. You really should stop calling the president of your country “AWOL George”; he really is deserving of your respect, even if you don’t agree with him.

I’m pretty sure Bush would never call you “Sheep Fondler Jadegold” (because he has class)...after all, that label hasn’t been disproved, so it must be true...right?

So, you’re conceding that`AWOL George lied?

Uh, nope. I was pointing out the absurdity of the original statement. Jade argues that Bush lied, then argues that Bush didn’t attack to liberate Iraq. What other causus beli is there left? Oil? Oh, please, it would have been easier to strike a deal with Saddam for oil.

Really, I’m amused by how all the anti-war “logic” ends up running in a circle. It’s just too hard for you to see that the guy was a clear and present danger (to everyone), and Bush had the moral (yes, moral) courage to do something about it.