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You WILL think like they think and do as they say. Dissenting opinions will not be tolerated.

What if some of the people who had an abortion were atheists or Jehovah’s witnesses?  Doesn’t the cross represent the fact that the Christians want us to think like them and do as they say?  Isn’t that the whole point of the anti-abortion movement?

I think so.

It’s one thing to post about intolerance, it’s another to pretend you are not being a hypocrite, while doing so.

It’s one thing to post about intolerance, it’s another to pretend you are not being a hypocrite, while doing so

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Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

It’s extended to anyone on the front page now! Heh.

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Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Hannitized why don’t you just admit that you’re an Obama operative? Do you have more pressing things to do than troll this blog?

You reem really interested in trolling ever post on SAB and complaining about everything that Robs or anyone else that is right leaning writes just because we don’t take your flawed secular progressive view.

You’re also like RBB spitting out the daily kooks and Huffpost talking points, find some original thought. Both web pages are vastly and higly inaccurate in most things that they write. Of course your not offended.

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Aunt Spelling Bea????

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“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

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Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Hannitized why don’t you just admit that you’re an Obama operative?

Hmmm?  What does commenting about liberal tolerance have to do with Obama exactly?

Why do you like to base jump to conclusions without a parachute?

You reem really interested in trolling ever post on SAB and complaining about everything that Robs or anyone else that is right leaning writes just because we don’t take your flawed secular progressive view.

It’s called pointing out faulty logic on posts that do nothing more than attack.  You do understand the purpose of debate and argument, don’t you?

Or am I just supposed to sit here and let a retarded arguments against democrats go un answered?  Is that how you prefer your conservative cocoon?  You prefer it nice, warm and fuzzy?

You’re also like RBB spitting out the daily kooks and Huffpost talking points, find some original thought.

I don’t read Huffpo unless Google takes me there after a search. 

You really are irritated by counter arguments, aren’t you?

Oh, and spellingbeaperson, my argument was against conservatives, not Rob. 

Or do you think Rob planted the crosses and is solely responsible for the anti-abortion movement?

Hannitized:

It wouldn’t have made any difference whatsoever if any other symbol had been used. The fact that they were crosses wasn’t the reason that guy was tearing them down. Listen to what he says:

He was tearing them down because they might offend someone who had had an abortion or was thinking about getting one.

And how I am Ibeing a hypocrite by pointing a finger at liberal intolerance. Oh, I forgot....liberals don’t like dissenting opinions, do you?

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“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”

-William F. Buckley, Jr.

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Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Or am I just supposed to sit here and let a (sic) retarded arguments (sic) against democrats go un answered(sic) ?

I suppose the same argument about “retarded” could go here as the argument about “hypocrite” in the first. Physician, heal thyself!

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Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

He was tearing them down because they might offend someone who had had an abortion or was thinking about getting one.

Ya think?

And what was it, in your mind, that was “offensive” about the protest Pilgrim?

And how I am Ibeing a hypocrite by pointing a finger at liberal intolerance.

I am pretty certain I explained that already.  But if you need a refresher.

You are merely complaining about liberals intolerance of your republican intolerance.  I find that, hypocritical.  I’m weird.

“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”

-William F. Buckley, Jr.

Feds Pay $80,000 Over Anti-Bush T-Shirts

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“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

White House Manual Details How to Deal With Protesters

Among other things, any event must be open only to those with tickets tightly controlled by organizers. Those entering must be screened in case they are hiding secret signs. Any anti-Bush demonstrators who manage to get in anyway should be shouted down by “rally squads” stationed in strategic locations. And if that does not work, they should be thrown out.

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“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Proof,

Can you proof read this please.

Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

See any issues with that?  Just curious.

See any issues with that?  Just curious.

Just tell me which part you didn’t understand. I’d be happy to explain it!

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Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

Your advocacy of free speech is very touching, Pilgrim.

Here is another example of authoritarian-conservative tolerance of free speech, from just last week:

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/letters/story/1053578.html

Oh, and here’s a reaction to this protester’s actions, from a parent whose child is serving in the Marines over there:

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/letters/story/1053577.html

I just read the links * provided as a counter argument about the left’s intolerance for dissenting opinion. Here’s the first:

Regarding your April 27 article “Military majesty sets tone at parade”: If a civilian supports the troops but disagrees with the war, attending a parade may not be the answer. Protesters of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan attended the military parade in Raleigh. They were largely a Christian-based group and were spit at, cursed at, called communists and had their signs ripped from their hands.

One of the protesters was carted off by police after he lay down in front of an armored vehicle. This young man is my son. His brother, who is also 21 years old, is currently serving as a Marine in the Middle East. This young man supports his brother and wants him home in one piece. This is the reason he was at this event. To me, that support speaks volumes more than a parade ever could.

I wonder what “Christian based group” that was? Note that the author of this condemnation doesn’t identify it.

And....so a kid got arrested for laying down in front of a tracked vehicle on parade. Shocking. Yep, now THERE’S a real example of supression of free speech.

And here’s the second:

Regarding your April 27 article “Military majesty sets tone at parade”: Standing as I was, a few feet from the young man who lay down in front of an armored vehicle at Saturday’s military parade in Raleigh and was subsequently arrested, I have some insight into his motivations.
Where he was standing on the sidelines, that he held a sign and how he displayed it made him no different from many other spectators. Solely because of the dissident message on his sign, he was singled out by a Raleigh police officer and told that he needed a permit and that he must stop displaying it and move away. This same officer said nothing to other men who obstructed the protester’s sign with a large pro-military banner and threatened him.
Given the many signs on display claiming we are free only because of the military, it is ironic that his First Amendment rights were not protected and that he was driven to take such a desperate and dangerous action.

He was singled out just because of his sign? Wanna bet the guy was being obtrusive and obnoxious and the crowd had had enough? He was driven to lay in front of a track? Right. Right.

That’s good. Next time try to find something that makes sense to use in an argument, will you?

Another bet...wanna bet the two letter writers are either related or acquainted?

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Piglrim,

I thought you were about to teach me why the liberal was so offended?  Can you please explain why he was offended?

He was tearing them down because they might offend someone who had had an abortion or was thinking about getting one.[/quote]

Ya think?

And what was it, in your mind, that was “offensive” about the protest Pilgrim?

Pilgrim,

Your opinion’s about the protester’s actions and conjecture about their intent, their relationship to one another, or their Christian organization’s identity notwithstanding; I would like to know your opinion about the use of thuggary and the use coercive power of the state against ‘deviant’ and ‘unacceptable’ political opinions/actions.

I may be mistaken, but you yourself have in fact argued against law enforcement overreach against the FLDS compound recently, correct? I’m just trying to reconcile how polygamy is more defensable from coercive law enforcement than a fundamental right (which you appear to advocate when it is applied to anti-choice opinions, but apparently disregard when it comes to anti-war opinions.)

Oh, and as for this:

And....so a kid got arrested for laying down in front of a tracked vehicle on parade. Shocking. Yep, now THERE’S a real example of supression of free speech.

Here’s a historical example from everyone’s favorite totalitarian-communist regime:

You and Chairman Mao may have similar tastes in what is considered acceptable political statements.

I thought you were about to teach me why the liberal was so offended?

Wrong on both counts.

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“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Pilgrim,

While you are crafting (what will no doubt be) a thoughtful response to my query, would you consider renaming the title of this post?

I don’t equate the cowardly frat boys (that I chased off my lawn with a baseball bat after they defiled my political sign) with the entire conservative movement. Your equating this ‘Roderick King’ individual with the entire liberal community is hyperbolic, as best.

Wrong on both counts.

Bat,

You have a way of shouting out the obvious.

I knew Pilgrim wouldn’t dare attempt to explain why the dangerous liberal was so offended.

Surely it wouldn’t advance his case to point out that the liberal thinks it offensive that a christian would lord their moral superiority over a person who is contemplating the idea of abortion.

Surely he would not state that the christians, who see killing a cell as killing a life, are not suggesting that we see things their way.  Certainly by stating these folks are guilting people into seeing things their way would be an offense that would make someone tear down the crosses.

Why would Pilgrim admit that?

This clearly shows that liberals like Roderick King have no respect for free speech.  They can’t stand people with differing points of view being allowed their constitutional right of free speech.  Hannitized is clearly another example of this phenomenon.

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A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

Hannitized is clearly another example of this phenomenon.

How so peaches?  The only thing I did was explain why the act was offensive, not that reacting to it, in the way it was, was appropriate.

You, like so many of your counterparts, leap off a cliff with nothing more than faith and crossed fingers.  Heh.

Hannitized:

I knew Pilgrim wouldn’t dare attempt to explain why the dangerous liberal was so offended.

I had other things to attend to. If I ever hide under my bed it won’t be because of my fear of explaining myself to folks like you. Further, it was obvious why he was offended: I’ve explained it in my above comments.

And *:

would you consider renaming the title of this post?

No.

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How so peaches?

Why does Hannitized call people “peaches” whenever he’s getting “creamed"?

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Those who think the party or the country, will be “taught a lesson” by handing the levers of power over to the liberals will learn a lesson, but it will be at the expense of our country and her liberties. And there are no guarantees that the party or the country will come out stronger, more conservative or better positioned to win elections against the incumbent liberals.

You, like so many of your counterparts, leap off a cliff with nothing more than faith and crossed fingers.  Heh.

How am I leaping off a cliff?  I beg an answer butterscotch?

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A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

How am I leaping off a cliff? 

You must have leaped off the cliff to have landed on the inaccurate conclusion that I was supporting this guys actions.

It was pretty obvious.

Further, it was obvious why he was offended: I’ve explained it in my above comments.

I don’t think so.  I’ve looked....I don’t see it.

You have a way of shouting out the obvious.

H,

You’ve got a long way to go go, kid!

Pilgrim, of course, understood exactly what I meant when I wrote that you were “wrong on both counts” which is why, as expected, you did NOT get another explanation.

But that, I think, only accounts for half my comment, doesn’t it?

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“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Unhinged.  The book.  Read it for many more examples of the facism by liberals.

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this sounds like when you guys cried over the virgin mary with teats of elephant shit.

also, since when are all libs beholden to the acts of lone college students?

chief is away and running. give me a couple 20 somethings who vote republican and commit crimes and i can mount an equally bullshitridden campaign of hollow vitriol.

Sparkie is once again going off topic of this post because he has nothing relevant to say.  Did the video show something about the virgin mary?  Maybe I missed it.

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A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

Who opened the little parrot’s cage?

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“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Hello RBB, how are you?
Isn’t it pecular how your people (sparkle) can divert the blame for an onerus act by his people, when they co-exist in the same environment, by simply saying “it was HIM not me.)?

noo.
somehow everything college kids do reflects the way dems are. can we make that generalization about military personnel who beat and kill their wives? shall i post some examples, of GOP voting military personnel who like to kill women who are weaker than them to feel ok, lifting the hollow, partisan bullshit and sampling it directly from pilgrim? and this from the folk who bring us self interested agents in the econ models? perhaps this college student is just a self interested agent, eh pal?

got ahold of yourself molehair! i am ‘unaffiliated’.

Sparkie,

Perhaps my eyesight is at fault, diminished by the years and the late hour.  Could you please point out exactly where Pilgrim mentions “Democrat” in his post?  I believe his reference was to “liberal” a given at quite nearly any college campus around, and certainly at the University of Wisconsin… any campus.

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“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

bat one,
pooch.

okay, how’s about ‘conservative’ wife-beating military personnel?

does that sound better to you?

its just hard for me to use ‘liberal’ like that b/c nozick, hayek, kukathas, etc. are ‘liberal’. not that kid in the video. he’s ‘Liberal’. see the little l big L distinction?

Sparkie. 

to feel ok

No one can determine what another “feels”.
That is called projecting.  This is just one more example of unhinged behavior by liberals.  Did you see anyone knocking down crosses put up by the liberals in California?  The 4,000? 
If you like, we can do a scientific analysis, but no one so far is interested in facts.
Here is an actual scientific analysis.  Care to comment:
http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/2006/05/republican-states-are-safer.html
Mohair.  Several people tried to warn me about Reality Based Bob.  I tried numerous times to engage in adult conversation over about a year.  I finally gave up.  Good luck to you.  Age sometimes enhances maturity, but not always.

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I just noticed the irony on their sign.  4,000 per day.  It may have been a coincidence, but “liberals” recently made a big deal out of the 4,000 GIs that have given their lives in the GWOT over the past four years.  I just recently talked with a WW II VET.  He was in Corps Artillery during the Battle of the Bulge.  Some 18,000 GIs were killed during a few months.  Perspective.

/sarc/ Now what did Germany do to us?  We should have pulled all our troops our of Europe to go after the “real” attackers, the JAPS! /sarc/

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bat one/pilgrim

Their tolerance extends only to themselves and their politcal point of view. Not to you and yours

that quote is especially hypocritical given the track record around here of calling for the silencing of dissident opinions, the suppression of artwork that challenges christian assumptions, and whatnot. which is why i immediately sited the virgin mary artwork, okay dougie? hypocrites. you have no credibility with which to bitch about this. too bad. if you all weren’t also censoring nutbags, maybe you’d have a point.
let me give you an example. when the Lib college students chase away Fred Phelps and his crew, you guys are all for it! but when they harass this demonstration, its horrible. wipe the drool of your chin and get your shit straight.

mohair, when caught in an obvious...’overstatement’, RZ plays possum.

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“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

chief

i’d like to see your red state, blue state comparison after you correct for population density.

can we get stats on child pornography for red and blue states? and domestic violence? you know, girl and woman beating.

your selective statistics are bullshit.

red states lead the nation in violent crime, divorce, illegitimacy, and incarceration.

so what was that you were saying about robbery?

Perspective.

the persepctive is amazing. what a difference between ww2 and the GWOT! in ww2, we actually wanted to kill hitler. now, we are buddies with Saudi Arabia, the continual biggest terror supporters in the world, and we purport to be fighting terror. its like entering ww2 while being buddies with and selling arms to Mussolini. just like the commies, the saudis are expanding, setting up madrasas around the world with the intentions of educating hateful terrorists… and we sell them arms.

perspective indeed!

Sparkie.  Read the definitions.  They are well defined.  Red, blue, crime statistics are all well documented.  You can actually do the calculations yourself.  I will be glad to assist in replicating the analysis.

Now. 

we actually wanted to kill hitler

Really?  Were you alive then?  Do “we” actually want to kill UBL?  Buddies?  OK.

Still glad to engage with you, but later today.

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let me give you an example. when the Lib college students chase away Fred Phelps and his crew, you guys are all for it! but when they harass this demonstration, its horrible.

Were the students who put up these crosses screaming at other students and telling them that they were going to hell?  This is quite a different situation.  You are comparing apples to oranges.

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A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

I thought when Fred Phelps was a Democrat when he was involved in partisan politics.

In fact I seem to recall that he was in-tight with the Gore’s, Junior and Senior.

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The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

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toot.
I beg your pardon? What else do you happen to remember? Just because Chief’s hollow propaganda is getting slapped around doesn’t mean you need to jump in with speculation. I have laid bare the hypocricy here. I provided a link above. And the same student body, namely that of the Wisconsin state schools, is being lauded for suppressing free speech in one instance and berated for it in another. this hypocricy is clearly politically motivated and there for anyone to look. a third grader could pick up on it. it is not only embodied ON THE FRONT PAGE of sayanything, these two conflicting posts, laying bare a lack of rationality and a purely political distortion of the situations, are both by Pilgrim.

so, since I left pilgrim out of my last post on bullshit hypocricy on sayanything, perhaps he will feel good now. like it Pil?

doesn’t mean you need to jump in with speculation.

What I said is correct.

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Sparkie,

Apparently you are driven by some perverse urge to insinuate yourself into my intellectual field of vision.  So be it.  The name at the top of the page is “Say Anything”, and no one, least of all me, would deny your right to do just that.

But you should at least have some modest idea what you’re talking about… and why. 

My comments to “Hannitized” had nothing to do with you and nothing much more to do with the specific topic of this post.  Fact is, I haven’t really commented on the incident one way or another.

Furthermore, I’d suggest that you refresh your mind on the meaning of the word “tolerance”.  And look up “hypocrisy” too while you’re at it.  The original issue under discussion was the typical intolerance of those who profess tolerance, inclusiveness and diversity as part and parcel of their liberal creed, but who are, in fact, monstrously hypocritical and intolerant when it comes to opinions different from their own.  True, that intolerance is common to practically all humans, but those of us on/in the Right don’t make a point of self-congratulatory spouting about our tolerance in the first place, which goes to the root of the hypocrisy at issue here.  If I don’t claim tolerance as a personal virtue, then I am (deliberately) free to be as intolerant as I think appropriate.

And that credibility you speak of just isn’t much of an issue.  And, believe me, I can weather the opprobrium in any case.

If ever I should find myself in need of your assistance in making proper, morally correct judgments I’ll be sure to look you up.  But I wouldn’t recommend you hold your breath

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“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

ps - i love it when the commentator (me) who is incessantly attacked as a ‘lunatic’ and ‘madman’ lays bare the lack of rational skills you ‘rational’ conservatives bring to the table. the conflict i have outlined hinges merely on emotional reactions to isolated incidents. pilgrim’s position is in conflict with itself. he’s like a democrat. he want’s free speech when its good for him… and doesn’t want it when its by people who ‘hold nothing sacred’ - to use his words. just like a democrat, elitist princess. same emotional, self-serving lack of rational consistency. wow…

bring the ‘rational’ arguments boys. OR JUST GET SOME MORE EMOTIONAL PUFF FOR CHIEF AND PILGRIM TO FAWN OVER.

I beg your pardon? What else do you happen to remember? Just because Chief’s hollow propaganda is getting slapped around doesn’t mean you need to jump in with speculation.

Sparkie,

If you’ll take a break from patting yourself on the back… again… and think (?), it might occur to you that you are just about the last person here to be castigating someone else for jumping into the middle of a conversation that doesn’t concern them with irrelevant speculation.  Got that definition for “hypocrisy” yet?

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“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

also, i urge all of you to respond. these reductios you guys enable are so obvious, its like beating up babies.

Sparkie.  Back.  Your suggestion that “densely populated” form some model of susceptibility needs to be proven.  Care to suggest a hypothesis?
In my analysis, I contrasted means.  This mathematical analysis accounts for numbers, both large and small.  In the analysis done, which you, or anyone else can replicate, the results showed confidence of .05 for a two-tailed test between the two means.

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Chief
One can only ask if you have ever even looked at a criminology text? See here for some very basic correlations that will be covered in any ‘dummies guide’ and get back to me on that robbery gibberish. it definitely is a function of both population density and commercial to residential ratios. cities have higher of both. do you know anything about, say, the theory behind zoning laws or any basic criminology AT ALL?

Sparkie.  I looked at your suggested Cambridge report from 1998.
http://www.cambridgema.gov/cpd/reports/1998/statistics.html
It has nothing to do with scientific analysis.  They seem to be trying to explain away crime.  I saw no references to any data or analysis done. 
Theory of zoning laws?  I tend to stick to laws first, then theories.  Law of supply and demand, law of gravity for example.

Yes, I have “looked at criminology texts”.  Crime that is not punished increases.
Have you looked at any Operant Conditioning books?  Taken any graduate courses of same?

These things are not all that difficult to understand.  Honesty that is rewarded tends to increase.  Dishonesty that goes unpunished increased the probability of reoccurance of that event.

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Law of supply and demand, law of gravity for example.

I’m interested in what those have in common? are they both laws of nature? what are you invoking here?

Sparkie.  They are laws, not theories. 
Both can be proven, observed and replicated, just like the scientific analysis of crime and safe in “Red States”, which are correlated to Republican states.

I did read about overcrowding in several sociology courses I took.  They were referring to a model study about rats forced into living conditions that they could not physically leave.  One interesting observation was that homosexuality increased which is quite abnormal for rats.  In the human Cambridge “study”, all the human beings are free to leave.

Now what we need to decide upon is a construct definition for liberal and conservative.  Care to continue?

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