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Monday, March 05, 2007

An Open Letter To Ann Coulter

Conservatism treats humans as they are, as moral creatures possessing rational minds and capable of discerning right from wrong. There comes a time when we must speak out in the defense of the conservative movement, and make a stand for political civility. This is one of those times.

Ann Coulter used to serve the movement well. She was telegenic, intelligent, and witty. She was also fearless: saying provocative things to inspire deeper thought and cutting through the haze of competing information has its uses. But Coulter’s fearlessness has become an addiction to shock value. She draws attention to herself, rather than placing the spotlight on conservative ideas.

At the Conservative Political Action Conference in 2006, Coulter referred to Iranians as “ragheads.” She is one of the most prominent women in the conservative movement; for her to employ such reckless language reinforces the stereotype that conservatives are racists.

At CPAC 2007 Coulter decided to turn up the volume by referring to John Edwards, a former U.S. Senator and current Presidential candidate, as a “faggot.” Such offensive language–and the cavalier attitude that lies behind it–is intolerable to us. It may be tolerated on liberal websites but not at the nation’s premier conservative gathering.

The legendary conservative thinker Richard Weaver wrote a book entitled Ideas Have Consequences. Rush Limbaugh has said again and again that “words mean things.” Both phrases apply to Coulter’s awful remarks.

Coulter’s vicious word choice tells the world she care little about the feelings of a large group that often feels marginalized and despised. Her word choice forces conservatives to waste time defending themselves against charges of homophobia rather than advancing conservative ideas.

Within a day of Coulter’s remark John Edwards sent out a fundraising email that used Coulter’s words to raise money for his faltering campaign. She is helping those she claims to oppose. How does that advance any of the causes we hold dear?

Denouncing Coulter is not enough. After her “raghead” remark in 2006 she took some heat. Yet she did not grow and learn. We should have been more forceful. This year she used a gay slur. What is next? If Senator Barack Obama is the de facto Democratic Presidential nominee next year will Coulter feel free to use a racial slur? How does that help conservatism?

One of the points of CPAC is the opportunity it gives college students to meet other young conservatives and learn from our leaders. Unlike on their campuses—where they often feel alone—at CPAC they know they are part of a vibrant political movement. What example is set when one highlight of the conference is finding out what shocking phrase will emerge from Ann Coulter’s mouth? How can we teach young conservatives to fight for their principles with civility and respect when Ann Coulter is allowed to address the conference? Coulter’s invective is a sign of weak thinking and unprincipled politicking.

CPAC sponsors, the Age of Ann has passed. We, the undersigned, request that CPAC speaking invitations no longer be extended to Ann Coulter. Her words and attitude simply do too much damage.

Sean Hackbarth
The American Mind

Rob Port
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James Joyner
Outside The Beltway

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Coulter’s vicious word choice tells the world she care little about the feelings of a large group that often feels marginalized and despised.

Is this “large group” conservatives or gay people? Please tell me it’s the latter…
Dave on March 5, 2007 at 10:44 am

...for her to employ such reckless language reinforces the stereotype that conservatives are racists.

That stereotype has been around a lot longer than Ann has.  Nothing will change leftie minds, especially trying to “make nice” with them.

...referring to John Edwards, a former U.S. Senator and current Presidential candidate, as a “faggot.”

She certainly implied it, on the way to making fun of lefties’ addiction to rehab as their method of penance, but she never called him a “faggot”.

Coulter’s vicious word choice…

It was a mild epithet, at best.  It wasn’t even a “homosexual slur”; instead, it is commonly used to refer to a man who is somewhat less than manly, an accurate description of Edwards, btw.

Denouncing Coulter is not enough.

We, the undersigned, request that CPAC speaking invitations no longer be extended to Ann Coulter.

Censorship is usually the province of lefties; this example of political cowardice on the part of those who claim to be “conservative” sickens me.
No matter how much you attack Ann, or debase yourselves in front of the lefties, they will continue to hate you with undiminished ferocity and viciousness.  The writers of this letter demean conservatism, IMO.


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robert108 on March 5, 2007 at 11:04 am
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Censorship is usually the province of lefties; this example of political cowardice on the part of those who claim to be “conservative” sickens me.

Robert, please explain to me how anyone is censoring Ann Coulter?

Honestly, for all your bluster about the tactics lefties use you sure don’t mind using their “if you disagree with me you’re censoring me!” schtick.

Dave,

Is this “large group” conservatives or gay people? Please tell me it’s the latter…

Well, from a certain perspective, both homosexuals and conservatives are often marginalized and despised.  Often it’s the religious conservatives who marginalize the gays, and it’s the liberals (especially in the media and in the entertainment industry) who marginalize and despise conservatives.


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Rob on March 5, 2007 at 11:10 am

One question for you, Rob: If Ann promised to go to rehab, would you forgive her and lift your call for censoring her?


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robert108 on March 5, 2007 at 11:11 am

Robert, please explain to me how anyone is censoring Ann Coulter?

It’s quite clear; I quoted your article.  Here are the two statements again:

Denouncing Coulter is not enough.

We, the undersigned, request that CPAC speaking invitations no longer be extended to Ann Coulter.

What part of that don’t you understand?  If denouncing her “is not enough”, then what is enough?
Isn’t “no longer extending CPAC speaking invitations” the same thing as censoring her?


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robert108 on March 5, 2007 at 11:15 am
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What part of that don’t you understand?  If denouncing her “is not enough”, then what is enough?
Isn’t “no longer extending CPAC speaking invitations” the same thing as censoring her?

Not providing someone a venue for their speaking is not the same as censoring him/her.

One question for you, Rob: If Ann promised to go to rehab, would you forgive her and lift your call for censoring her?

If I called you a faggot would you think that was appropriate?  Or in keeping with the sort of level-headed political speech conservatives should be engaging in.

I know, I know.  You don’t care because all the leftists hate us anyway, blah, blah, blah.

I just don’t see America’s political breakdown as black and white as you do.  You’re flat-out wrong on this, and you make yourself look like an idiot defending Coulter.


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Rob on March 5, 2007 at 11:17 am

Not providing someone a venue for their speaking is not the same as censoring him/her.

It is de facto censorship, and you know it.

If I called you a faggot would you think that was appropriate?

Since it wouldn’t be true, it wouldn’t bother me at all.  In fact, she didn’t call him a faggot; she made what would be regarded as a nuanced joke at his expense, if John Kerry had said it.

Or in keeping with the sort of level-headed political speech conservatives should be engaging in.

Should be?  Are we all in lockstep now?

Personal attack aside, I am proud that I am conservative enough to support her right to free speech, and that I support a fellow conservative against some hysterical overreaction.


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robert108 on March 5, 2007 at 11:23 am

I’ll ask you again, since you didn’t answer it before:
If Ann promised to go to rehab, would you forgive her?


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robert108 on March 5, 2007 at 11:24 am
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That stereotype has been around a lot longer than Ann has.  Nothing will change leftie minds, especially trying to “make nice” with them.

So instead of doing everything we can to break that stereotype, we should just confirm it?

It wasn’t even a “homosexual slur”; instead, it is commonly used to refer to a man who is somewhat less than manly, an accurate description of Edwards, btw.

So it would be alright to call someone who’s cheap, a dirty Jew? And what does Edwards’ masculinity have to do with politics anyway? We should be focusing on what really matters.

Honestly I don’t care that Ann said what she said, afterall, it’s what everyone has come to expect from her. However, I don’t think it helps our cause, and the venue she chose to say it at was very innappropriate.

Andrew on March 5, 2007 at 11:29 am
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I’m with Rob on this one.

It’s not censorship.

There is a right to speak - there is no right to be heard.

She can go on a public street somewhere or on FoxNews and spew venom. 

She’s bad for the Movement Conservative and she’s bad for the party.

FreeRepublicans.com on March 5, 2007 at 11:30 am

Andrew/Free: I disagree with both of you, but even if I had the power to do so, I would not in any way try to deprive you of a venue to speak because of what you say.  That would be de facto censorship.


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robert108 on March 5, 2007 at 11:34 am

Andrew: By definition, stereotypes are not based on fact, but on prejudice.  Careful, now.


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robert108 on March 5, 2007 at 11:35 am
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I’ll ask you again, since you didn’t answer it before:
If Ann promised to go to rehab, would you forgive her?

No.  What does rehab have to do with it?  She said something stupid, and she deserves to be criticized for it.

It is de facto censorship, and you know it.

No, it isn’t.  Otherwise denying Michael Moore the right to speak at CPAC would be censorship as well.

Robert, you seem to be setting aside all logic and reason just to play defense for Coulter.  If you can’t be level headed about this there’s no use even talking to you about it.


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Rob on March 5, 2007 at 11:38 am

Rob… I see your point as far as Ann saying “faggot” to a ultra conservative audience. I suppose she could have used affeminate, fop, dandy, sissy, pretty boy, narcissitic, vain, primpy????? BUT she really wasn’t too far off. IF conservative groups reeeeeally want to embrace homosexuals that is one thing. BUT as far as saying Ann’s time has passed? Hmmm, I think she is still has alot to offer conservatives.

Zsa Zsa on March 5, 2007 at 11:39 am

Ann is smart enough to realize that saying that will maybe get her headlines it hurts the conservative movement.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on March 5, 2007 at 11:43 am

Ann is provided a privlege, and not a right, by CPAC to speak at their event. And as always, all privleges are subject to revocation due to violation(s) of certain conditions.

Last I checked, she can still write articles and books. And as long as Sean Insanity has a radio and television show, she’ll have an outlet to spew her viewpoints.

Brandon on March 5, 2007 at 11:47 am

No, it isn’t.  Otherwise denying Michael Moore the right to speak at CPAC would be censorship as well. Bad analogy.  Michael Moore hasn’t spoken at CPAC before, so taking it away from him to punish him for saying something you don’t like would not be possible.  However, that is exactly what you propose to do to Ann for her rather humorous and pointed remark.

Robert, you seem to be setting aside all logic and reason just to play defense for Coulter. You admit that you would not forgive her, and you accuse me of setting aside logic?  Look, I have personal animus for Hillary, and make no secret of it.  I suspect you have personal animus for Ann, which is why you won’t forgive her. If you can’t be level headed about this there’s no use even talking to you about it. If that’s you best solution, it’s your call.  I am simply disagreeing with you, and for logical reasons which I have explained in great detail.  If you can’t handle that, so be it.


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robert108 on March 5, 2007 at 11:50 am
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Andrew: By definition, stereotypes are not based on fact, but on prejudice.  Careful, now.

You’re missing Andrew’s point.  If we are charged with being anti-gay bigots shouldn’t it behoove us to avoid comments which tend to indicate, rightly or wrongly, that we are bigoted?  Or avoid defending those sorts of comments?


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Rob on March 5, 2007 at 11:51 am

CPAC should be about advancing the conservative cause, not about getting a certain columnist headlines.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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Bad analogy.  Michael Moore hasn’t spoken at CPAC before, so taking it away from him to punish him for saying something you don’t like would not be possible.  However, that is exactly what you propose to do to Ann for her rather humorous and pointed remark.

It’s not a bad analogy.  Speaking at CPAC is a privilege, not a right.  We were talking about some leftist claiming that they’d been censored simply because a group decided not to have them as a speaker you’d be saying the same thing.

This double standard is appalling, robert.  I expected better from you.

You admit that you would not forgive her, and you accuse me of setting aside logic?

If she apologized sincerely for making such a hateful statement I would forgive her.  But don’t turn this on me, your illogic on this issue has to do with the double standards I just highlighted above.

If that’s you best solution, it’s your call.  I am simply disagreeing with you, and for logical reasons which I have explained in great detail.  If you can’t handle that, so be it.

Oh, I can handle it just fine.  Your reasoning on this is bogus.

You remind me of the Dixie Chicks who claimed that they were being censored simply because people a) chose to criticize some comments they made and b) chose to stop buying their albums.


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Rob on March 5, 2007 at 11:55 am

You’re missing Andrew’s point.  If we are charged with being anti-gay bigots shouldn’t it behoove us to avoid comments which tend to indicate, rightly or wrongly, that we are bigoted?  Or avoid defending those sorts of comments?

Should we let protecting the feelings of leftie pressure groups determine our behavior?  As I said before, stereotypes aren’t based on reason, so you can’t reason with them.


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Should we let protecting the feelings of leftie pressure groups determine our behavior?

We should refrain from being bigots and hurling insults and instead engage in educating the public about conservatism.


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Rob on March 5, 2007 at 12:03 pm

Rob: I can see that I didn’t explain my reference to censorship as a tactic to punish those who step out of line, which is something the lefties use all the time.  I didn’t make the distinction clear enough, apparently.
I doubt that cutting Ann out of the CPAC speaker’s role would harm her in any way, and it would probably be a newsworthy item for the MSM.  I just hate to see conservatives using denial of speakership, based purely upon one statement, as illustrative of conservative principles.  I don’t think we should be playing to the lefties in any way.
Once again, Michael Moore has never spoken at CPAC, and Ann has been the “star of the show” for several years now, to the benefit of CPAC, in terms of publicity.  Now, she has done something to offend some of you, and you want to discard her.  The double standard here is certainly not mine.  It’s more like, “what have you done for me lately?”


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robert108 on March 5, 2007 at 12:04 pm

We should be consistent across the board & not engage in gay sterotypes or gay slurs at anytime. AND that includes calling women sluts, whores, militant lesbians, etc.

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We should refrain from being bigots and hurling insults and instead engage in educating the public about conservatism.

I don’t agree, but Ann did neither of the things you mention.  I don’t let the lefties define me, and calling a weasely man a “faggot” is not bigoted, although it is a mild insult.  If you see the tape, she didn’t “hurl” anything, btw.  You just seem real overheated about this, Rob.


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robert108 on March 5, 2007 at 12:07 pm

that includes calling women sluts, whores, militant lesbians, etc.

Does that include tramp and hussy?


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on March 5, 2007 at 12:09 pm

You see, the lefties are caught up in a lockstep ideology, and one thing conservatism has to offer people is freedom from that.  We don’t buy into PC, and we generally don’t govern by pressure group, so we don’t have to be paranoid about insulting some bunch of victims whenever we express our ideas.  That is one of the things I like about being a conservative.  I apologize for getting facts wrong, but never for hurt feelings.  I don’t think Ann used any sort of “gay slur”, btw.  In case you don’t agree, what is the bad content of the word “faggot”?  It’s just a word.  If it only implies that someone is gay or maybe a bit unmanly, what is wrong with that?


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robert108 on March 5, 2007 at 12:12 pm

I am sure that we can all agree that John Edwards may be likened to a bundle of sticks.


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The Whistler on March 5, 2007 at 12:15 pm
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Rob,

Do you feel better about yourself now? Pat yourself on the back. Your “right” guilt is clearly alive and well and on display. Another pansy arss “conservative” falling pray to the censorship of their liberal Masters.

It is sickening to watch so many on the right who undoubtedly claim to be sort of like a “moral squad leader” fall all over each other in distancing themselves from anything they think their liberal Master will punish them for. BARRRFFF...

Rush is right. There is a testicle lock box and your Huevos are well ensconced.

Sure Ann was over the top but damn, calm down. An Open Letter? Geez…

I am so sick of reading the blogs on the right try and sound rational and morally grounded with their usual condemnation of anyone who offends their precious little conservative censorship sirens with, “Ann Coulter surely has a right to say whatever she wants and I champion the first amendment just as much as the other guy, BUT.......”

Please cork it. Give me a break.



Andrew Bryant on March 5, 2007 at 12:16 pm

Personally, I’m going to go out and purchase all of her books and subscribe to her newsletter..as well as try to catch her on whatever radio or T.V. talk show she happens to be on at any given time...she’s got guts.... hell yes… Ann Coulter !!!!!!!!


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Joel on March 5, 2007 at 12:18 pm

Rob, my friend, I still have to disagree with you on this.

Judeo-Christian beliefs have long held that homosexuality is an abomination.  I too hold to that conviction.  I am practicing tolerance by not doing what the Bible commands Christians to do—taking them to the edge of town and stoning them.

I don’t buy into the position that if you think homosexuals are wrong, that makes you a bigot.  Homosexuality is wrong, and it has been for a long time.  The Conservative movement does itself no favors by kowtowing to the Leftist party line—that you can’t call perverted behaviour perverted.

I will give that Polite (e.g. Conservative) Society holds to the belief, that if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all.  If the Left bought into that belief, they would be absolutely silent, since their tactic is complete vitriole and personal destruction of whomever happens to be their target.

Ann is simply one of the few Conservative voices that dishes back out at the Left what they have been spewing for years, but with a great more deal of wit and accuracy.

One other point:

stereotypes would die a quick death if there weren’t an element of truth to them.  Classical musicians cannot be stereotyped as one typically found to be diddybopping down the block, blasting Chopin’s Concerto for Piano in D Minor from a boom box, because there is no basis for it. 

The Leftist Worldview is filled with stereotypes, skewed perhaps, but there ARE Rednecks and there ARE Capitalists, just as there ARE Gangstas and Queers.


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What a Faggot!


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Andrew Bryant, are you suggesting that I can’t support the 1st amendment and disagree with Ann Coulter?


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Rob on March 5, 2007 at 12:27 pm

Headline of article from “Newsbusters” today:

CBS Blogger Slams CPAC Over Coulter; Ignores Conservative Bloggers Who Criticize Her

So, all the attacking of Ann and the mea culpas from some conservatives hasn’t made any difference in what lefties think of us.  What a surprise!

Actually, it is the nature of prejudice to pay special attention to any behavior that reinforces the prejudice, and to ignore completely any information that calls the prejudice into question.


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Right, robert.  Because the problem is the criticism of Ann’s comments, not what Ann herself said.

Give me a break.


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Rob on March 5, 2007 at 12:30 pm

A bigot is one who is obstinately intolerant or devoted to his own church or party, belief or opinion. Websters dictionary

Zsa Zsa on March 5, 2007 at 12:33 pm

Right, robert.  Because the problem is the criticism of Ann’s comments, not what Ann herself said.

Give me a break.

I said no such thing.  I am not critical of what Ann said, and there are quite a few who agree with me, if that matters.  You are critical of what Ann said, and in addition to criticizing her, you want to stop her from speaking at CPAC.  I just think that’s over the top....for conservatives.  It’s par for the course for lefties, though.


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robert108 on March 5, 2007 at 12:36 pm

in addition to criticizing her, you want to stop her from speaking at CPAC.  I just think that’s over the top....for conservatives.  It’s par for the course for lefties, though.
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Ditto!!


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Ann has said several things in the past that although many on the right were thinking, none of them had the guts to say them publicly.  Sometimes I agree with her and sometimes I don’t, but to try and say her time has passed is laughable.

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Rob--
I was pointing out the similarities of the “Ann Coulter lynch mob.” In high moral form, they (yourself included) reassure all of their readers that they believe in the basics. You know, freedom of speech, the first amendment, the right to say whatever you want, yada, yada, yada...then comes the dreaded “BUT” and a long connotation scolding her for saying what she said and then a long drawn out moral confession about what harm she does to conservatism and how she should be shunned. I get tired of reading about how we, conservatives must prove we aren’t this or we aren’t that. Stop already with the self-righteous scoffing. It is all too familiar and I’m sick of hearing it from the right. I expect it from the left. But and Open Letter?

Have some balls and write something that starts like this:

Ann Coulter has a back bone of steel and should be congratulated for pointing out the absurdity of the thought police and their brown shirt brethren in the media.


Or something like:

A-men, Ann Coulter finally says what many are afraid to say. That is that one wrong comment can get you lynched. Figuratively speaking.


And another thing:

I wanted to point out a part of this whole issue that isn’t being talked about. What she meant when she said if you say the word faggot you have to go to rehab.

Greys Anatomy actor Isaiah Washington was excoriated for using the word “faggot” to refer to co-star T.R. Knight while backstage at the Golden Globes. Washington later apologized to T.R., the shows fans, and to the gay and lesbian community for using that word. He later checked into rehab:

Grey’s Anatomy star Isaiah Washington has entered a residential treatment facility in an effort to quell the controversy surrounding his anti-gay remarks — and save his job, Life & Style has learned exclusively.

According to an insider, Isaiah, who issued an apology for his statements on Jan. 18, agreed to undergo a psychological assessment after talks with ABC executives.

The married 43-year-old father of three was spotted entering the facility at 9 a.m. today (Jan. 24). (Life&Style Magazine)


So you see, Ann Coulter wasn’t saying anything that wasn’t true. She just said something some people didn’t like. Oh well!

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You’re saying I don’t have backbone?

Clearly my criticism of Coulter’s comments are bucking the opinions of a majority of my readers.

I stand up for what I believe in.  I think what Coulter said was wrong.  And as a principled, individualist conservative you aren’t going to be able to brow beat me away from criticizing her for what she said.


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Rob on March 5, 2007 at 01:36 pm

I stand up for what I believe in.  I think what Coulter said was wrong.  And as a principled, individualist conservative you aren’t going to be able to brow beat me away from criticizing her for what she said.

I have no problem with that, as you should know.  What I haven’t heard yet is a reasoned explanation of what was so bad about what she actually said.  I have heard all the stuff about her being bad for the conservative movement(?), not why that is so, except that it will cause lefties to hate us and not believe us.  They already hate us and don’t believe us, so I have yet to hear an explanation that makes a convincing case that her one word has changed anything in that respect.  I hear that we are insensitive to the feelings of lefties, and applaud that absolutely. 
The case can be made that she was at least somewhat accurate in her inference about Edwards, and was right on target with the rehab reference with regard to the use of the word “faggot”.  You and others then demonstrated your solidarity with the lefties on that issue.  The anti-Ann reaction to this statement seems rooted in fear of disapproval to my perception, and that certainly isn’t my version of conservatism.


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Good stuff Mano!!!!


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Listen to’m screaming and bemoaning to any and all willing to be bored by their whining.

This is simply a case of the Right borrowing a tactic from the Left.  Tactics practiced by the mahrs and frankels in their ranks.

As for Edwards . . . everytime I see him I can’t help but think of the story of ‘Dorian Grey’.

Hue Mann on March 5, 2007 at 02:02 pm

Rob, You definately have backbone! As a matter of fact, you are the type of person who should run for Congress or SOMETHING! You really are the kind of republican that all conservatives would appreciate in Washington DC. No Lie!

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What I haven’t heard yet is a reasoned explanation of what was so bad about what she actually said.

Because calling people “faggot” isn’t acceptable.  Maybe it’s fine with you, but it isn’t with me.  I think it’s hateful and has no place in mainstream American politics.

I mean, we all criticized that blogger the Edwards campaign hired for her cursing and what not on the internet.  Are we really going to then turn around and claim that Ann Coulter calling Edwards a faggot is ok?

C’mon guys.  Put the partisanship aside and use your heads.


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People care about the word “faggot” because those who use it are so often the same ones congratulating themselves for not dragging the “faggots” to the edge of town and stoning them. The same way people care about the word “nigger” because until about 40 years ago it meant some one it was acceptable to lynch. Maybe it hasn’t been long enough for these “victims” to stop associating the language of mob violence with the actual mob violence.

Robert1108, you can’t just kill off the faggots and the niggers and the lefties or whatever cute name you have for people who aren’t just like you. And saying you COULD (even though you very graciously don’t) only proves the lefties’ point about what “faggot” really means to some people.

And Rob, you’ve earned yourself a liberal reader. I’m always interested in ideas that lie somewhere between PETA’s and the KKK’s.

rachel on March 5, 2007 at 02:04 pm

I’m always interested in ideas that lie somewhere between PETA’s and the KKK’s.

The KKK was very influential in the Democrat party in certain parts of the country.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on March 5, 2007 at 02:11 pm

Ann’s

nuanced joke

offends American voters.
Gay ones , straight ones, in between ones.
You want to drive the bus of government , you don’t offend voters.
Lots of voters.

If you think what she said is a

nuanced joke

try it the next time you sit down at a bar.
See if you get some laughs.

WOOF on March 5, 2007 at 02:13 pm
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Rob--

You said:

You’re saying I don’t have backbone?

Clearly my criticism of Coulter’s comments are bucking the opinions of a majority of my readers.

I stand up for what I believe in.  I think what Coulter said was wrong.  And as a principled, individualist conservative you aren’t going to be able to brow beat me away from criticizing her for what she said.

First off, I never said you didn’t have a back bone and criticism is fine. However, I may revise and extend my remarks at a later time. I do think you portray too much “right guilt.” You know, the equivalent to “white guilt” that is so common on the left.

And I’m not trying to brow beat you away from anything. I’m simply writing things that I believe in and I think many of the bloggers on the right who speak for many of us whether you intend too or not should hear what we think. If you don’t like it, tough. Deal with it.

How many readers has signed your ‘“Ban" Ann’ drive? That should speak for itself. Although, I would have much more respect for you if you didn’t come across as beating up on a poor helpless female who always catches it from both sides. And I mean always.

Ann Coulter is braver (Is that a word?[braver] Anyways...) than any mainstream male commentator that I know and I respect her for that even if she says things that aren’t PC and are sometimes crewed. And that hits on another point that no one has addressed.

That is how the right is getting sucked into this PC vacuum. Some call it self censorship. It’s a censorship of what you think the left-wing thought police expect of you. Don’t believe me? Why do you have a petition on your website to “Ban Ann” Coulter from CPAC? How many conservatives has advocated banning Coulter from CPAC next year?

Do you think the liberal-sphere will give you kudos for “doing the right thing?” Hell no, and you should know better.

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Everyone who cut John Kerry some slack for his “botched joke” should do the same for Ann.

Ater all, she did apologize much quicker than he did. She told the NYT in an e-mail:

“C’mon, it was a joke. I would never insult gays by suggesting that they are like John Edwards. That would be mean.”



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As all good competitors say when they encounter their opposition blundering, “Your doing just fine...don’t change a thing.” Ann needs to speak more often.

gpkeenan on March 5, 2007 at 02:26 pm
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It should be painfully obvious that ‘Republicans’ are bad for the conservative movement, whatever that is.

Fact is, stupid ‘Republicans’ like Ann Coulter, along with all of the stupid ‘Republicans’ are bad for America.

The sooner they are gone, the better.

Purdy obvious this attention on Ann Coulter is a ploy to divert attention from the doofus in the White House.

Nobody could be any dumber than he is.

Here come the ad hominems.

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Andrew, I don’t think there’s anything all that “brave” about Ann Coulter’s schock stick.  She’s doing it to draw more attention to herself, and it adds little to the political debate in this country.

Rachel:

And Rob, you’ve earned yourself a liberal reader. I’m always interested in ideas that lie somewhere between PETA’s and the KKK’s.

Thanks.


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Rob on March 5, 2007 at 02:28 pm
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r108:

That is one of the things I like about being a conservative.

That you get to call Democrats “faggots”?
Dave on March 5, 2007 at 02:31 pm

egads...I for one do not want to be recognized as a wimpy PC conservative.

Ann called a spade a spade. Get over it. If the Conservative platform is going to fall apart over this trivial little event then it didn’t have much to begin with.

Mickey on March 5, 2007 at 02:31 pm
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I don’t condone the Democrats using Ann Coulter to make Republicans look bad anymore than Rob condones Ann Coulter’s “joke.” Not everyone has subordinated every thought in their heads to an us-versus-them.

rachel on March 5, 2007 at 02:35 pm
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Ann Coulter is braver (Is that a word?[braver] Anyways...) than any mainstream male commentator that I know and I respect her for that even if she says things that aren’t PC and are sometimes crewed.

Her calling John Edwards a “faggot” reminds me in many ways of Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat on a bus. They’re both brave freedom fighters! Thank you Ann Coulter for standing up for my right to call people I don’t like “faggots”!

Andrew Bryant, you are a faggot.... Wow, that’s soooo liberating! I just want to shout it from the rooftop!

Dave on March 5, 2007 at 02:35 pm
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FYI:


The word “faggot” has 2 meanings:

Meaning #1: offensive or derogatory terms for an openly homosexual or effeminate male.

The word “effeminate” means:

having qualities or characteristics more often associated with women than men.


Meaning #2: a bundle of sticks and branches bound together, or a bundle of pieces of iron or steel to be welded or hammered into bars.

I think I know what Ann meant, however, can you be sure?

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Nobody could be any dumber than he is.

Here come the ad hominems.

Does this clueless doofus realize he just committed the very thing he accuses his opponents of doing?



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Frederick W. Kagan

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Rob-

Even though you are the host of the only conservative site that I’ve ever visited that allows for open, uncensored discussion allowing other viewpoints to be addressed, I am nonetheless surprised by your thoughtful, professional, and mature reaction to this woman’s slanderous and bigoted comments.

Although we’ll disagree almost all the time, it takes someone very certain of their core beliefs to allow for dissent. And I know if anyone knows the difference between censorship and free speech, it is you Rob.

Like it or not, Coulter is the right’s Hillary & Howard Stern all rolled into one. She’s made the cover of Time magazine by playing the shock jock and purveyor of the least common denominator.

Ann Coulter’s shrieking, hateful nature represents all that is wrong with polemists in the information age. To my knowledge, no major media figure on the left has called differing opinion treasonous. Yet Coulter, O’Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Robertson, & Falwell constantly make statements tantamount to calling for Krystalnacht. Some of it clearly for entertainment purposes, some of it not.

Compare what Safire, Will, Friedman, & Buckley have to say to those I just listed. Compare the media reaction to obscure liberal commenters on equally obscure websites to the ubiquitous Coulter. There has been an errosion of maturity that is plainly obvious to anyone who would open their eyes.

You have done the right thing here, Rob. There is a very wide gulf between intelligent political discourse and infantile attention grabbing. The only way for our nation to rise to its many challenges is to get its political discourse out of the gutter.

Children do not lead, adults do. It is very refreshing to see you take the appropriate response to this childishness.

Kudos.

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Ann Coulter wanted to have a baby with Mary Cheney, but Dick Cheney said no.

So much for ‘Republicans.’

Their stock is being sold short.  Every single share is on the auction block.

In the end, they’ll be ashes.  Absolutely nothing left of them because of people like Ann Coulter and Dick ‘I shot a lawyer’ Cheney.

Ronald Walter on March 5, 2007 at 02:45 pm

In the end, they’ll be ashes.  Absolutely nothing left of them because of people like Ann Coulter and Dick ‘I shot a lawyer’ Cheney.

Speaking of hateful people.

Yet Coulter, O’Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Robertson, & Falwell constantly make statements tantamount to calling for Krystalnacht.

Lies.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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Dave--

You said:

Andrew Bryant, you are a faggot.... Wow, that’s soooo liberating! I just want to shout it from the rooftop!


I know you are but what am I. Nanny nanny poo poo...

Are you sure I’m not a “nazi,” or a “fascist,” or a member of the “SS,” or a bigot, sexist, homophobe?


“Faggot?” That’s all you got--Dave?

Andrew Bryant on March 5, 2007 at 02:49 pm
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Speaking of Bill O’Lielly, he was hounding a woman for sexual favors. 

He can’t even act like a civilized human being, just another crass political lackey with no clue.

He kept his job over there at Fix News, though.

‘Republican’ morals and values at work. 

Much like Bill Bennett’s gambling habits, you know, the guy who wanted ‘moral clarity.’

Stupid ‘Republicans’ at work with their vitriole and child like antics.

They’re toast.

Ronald Walter on March 5, 2007 at 02:52 pm
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Serious, what do those of you defending Coulter not understand.

There is a Freedom to Speak.

There is no Freedom to Be Heard.

There is no Freedom to Not Be Criticized.

She has a history of saying stupid things, and we as conservatives must realize that is not helping us.

FreeRepublicans.com on March 5, 2007 at 02:53 pm
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Andrew Bryant:

I know you are but what am I. Nanny nanny poo poo…

Are you sure I’m not a “nazi,” or a “fascist,” or a member of the “SS,” or a bigot, sexist, homophobe?

“Faggot?” That’s all you got--Dave?

Oh God, here come the PC Police. rolleyes

You’re so wrapped up in liberal dogma that you can’t see the bravery in calling someone I’ve never met a “faggot.”

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The only honorable act that stupid ‘Republicans’ can possibly do to exonerate themselves from their plight is to commit apostasy.

They won’t do it though, they are more committed to their idiotic party than communists are committed to the Communist Party.

So much for stupid ‘Republicans,’ they have ruined America.  They will never be forgiven for what they have done to the US government and the American people.

They are toast.  Bushevism in its finest hour.

Ronald Walter on March 5, 2007 at 03:03 pm

Ann Coulter can do no harm to the “conservative movement”, because its members refuse to stand up and fight the left. Go along to get along. THAT is what is hurting the “conservative movement”. Since 1994 we have been putting these lying pieces of crap in office, and they have done every single thing we did NOT want done.

That is what is killing the “conservative movement”, lying assed scumbaglawyerfuckpoliticians doing the exact opposite of what American voters put them in office to do. Go along to get along, compromise, bipartisanship. The Left never compromises, only the center and right are required to compromise.

Exactly why is that?


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Whistler:

Lies.

I’m very busy today and do not have time to retrieve the numerous quotes calling for death, internment, treason, etc. etc. etc.

But rest assured that 1) these are not lies and 2) movement conservatism is very closely associated with these personalities.

What Rob is doing is trying to bring the voice of movement conservatism back to the timbre it had during Goldwater or Reagan’s time, and some of y’all are calling him to the mat and siding with the least common denominator. Many people chose sides not on what one person or party says but in spite of what the other said. Just because you choose not to listen, Whistler, does not make it untrue.

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I’m very busy today and do not have time to retrieve the numerous quotes calling for death, internment, treason, etc. etc. etc.

When you get time find where those folks were advocating this.

Kristallnacht, also known as Reichskristallnacht, Pogromnacht, Crystal Night and the Night of Broken Glass, was a pogrom[1] against Jews throughout Germany and parts of Austria on November 9–10, 1938.

Jewish homes and stores were ransacked in a thousand German cities, towns and villages,[2] as ordinary citizens and stormtroopers destroyed buildings with sledgehammers, leaving the streets covered in smashed windows — the origin of the name “Night of Broken Glass.” Jews were beaten to death; 30,000 Jewish men were taken to concentration camps; and 1,668 synagogues ransacked or set on fire.

What Rob is doing is trying to bring the voice of movement conservatism back to the timbre it had during Goldwater or Reagan’s time, and some of y’all are calling him to the mat and siding with the least common denominator.

I know you didn’t say that I was, but I’ll point out that in this I agree with Rob.  Coulter is smart enough to skewer Edwards without resorting to calling him by a homo slur. 

I agree that she shouldn’t be invited back to CPAC, but I’ll keep reading her stuff because she often does get it right.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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Freerepublicans.com--

You said:

Serious, what do those of you defending Coulter not understand.

There is a Freedom to Speak.

There is no Freedom to Be Heard.

I know the difference between ”a Freedom to Speak” and the non-”Freedom to Be Heard.”
So please stop patronizing me with your sloganeering if you would.
What bothers me is the arrogant elitist chicanery that’s infesting the right side of the blog-o-sphere.
Something you’d find at the huffingtonpost or daily-kos but not at a well respected conservative blog like sayanything.

Andrew Bryant on March 5, 2007 at 03:23 pm

Ann gets paid to speak.
Don’t know about CPAC hiring her
or her volunteering her time.

You can do it for love
You can do it for money

WOOF on March 5, 2007 at 03:27 pm

THe Disingenuous

Defending the Indefensible

WOOF on March 5, 2007 at 03:29 pm

IF you get to the core of this conversation? The real issue is how people feel about homosexuals.  As far as Ann saying John Edwards is a “faggot” goes. She probably could have chosen a better word? Personally, I think this entire topic reveals more about how we accept or do not accept homosexuals in our society. Most conservatives and many liberals don’t believe Homosexuals should be married. I truly believe that this is the real issue. Not that Ann called John Edwards a “faggot"…

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This is just another example of “RINO’s” caving in to the pressure from the left.  I’m loving the “kudos” and pats on back from the left on this one Rob, good for you.....lol

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