America’s Other Auto Industry Is Thriving

As the Big 3 belly up to the federal trough in Washington DC and demand that the taxpayers bail them and the union parasites attached them out of the hole they’ve dug for themselves foreign car manufacturers are thriving…and employing a lot of Americans.

Drew Ferguson IV is a 42-year-old dentist whose family has lived in this town, population 3,300, “since God put us here.” To be precise, the family arrived eight generations ago. Ferguson went off to the University of Georgia, then on to dental school, after which he came back to West Point. He and his wife, whom he met in college, have four kids. A year ago, Ferguson was elected mayor. “There’s a reason I live in West Point,” he says. “I love it. There’s a sense of place here.” No doubt, but West Point is located in what might also be considered the middle of nowhere. It’s pinched between I-85 and the Alabama border. Atlanta is a good hour’s drive away.
West Point today isn’t the same town Ferguson grew up in. Textile company executives used to live here. But when the textile industry collapsed in the 1980s, the victim of foreign competition, they moved away. Thousands of jobs were lost. A few small technology firms took up some of the slack. But the high-tech bust of the late 1990s proved to be another job killer. “We survived without a federal bailout,” Ferguson says sarcastically. Now, while much of America wallows in the gloom of a recession, there’s great joy in West Point. “West Point will have more economic growth in the next 24 months than anywhere else in the country,” Ferguson boasts. And he may be right.
KIA has come to town. The Korean automobile manufacturer is building a huge assembly plant, which will employ 2,900 workers when it begins turning out cars a year from now. KIA suppliers will employ thousands more nearby.

Remember that KIA competes with Ford and GM and Chrysler. Which begs the question: Why should KIA and other successful car company’s failing competitors get a bailout? Is that fair to these other companies? Companies that invest hundreds of millions (if not billions) of dollars into America’s economy? Companies that employ tens of thousands of Americans? Companies that bring vehicles to market that Americans want to buy?
Why not let the “big 3″ fail and let the auto market drift toward companies like KIA that are able to run their businesses without relying on the taxpayer dime?

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  • http://Array hedge

    I would offer this query: Can Kia, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, Hino Trucks, Nissan, Hyandai all be wrong in investing in plants throughout the southern US in the past 15 years? I haven’t heard any of them bemoaning their current economic situations and making pleas for a bailout.

    I will grant Dino that $48/hr is not $72/hr in wages and benefits; but it would appear that $72/hr is not a viable business model and will disappear without nationalization of the companies. Despite what the apologists espouse, $72/hr has forced Detroit to cheapen every possible part on its vehicles, making them less reliable and, as such, less desirable.

    The UAW, and for that matter, all major labor unions have chosen not to compete and remain with their heads in the sand. The Steel Workers shut down three plants in southern Ohio in the last five years by forcing votes. A window factory, a flexible magnet producer, and an aluminum processor all said the could not compete under a union contract and would have to close. And, gee it was such a shock when they did, poof over 1,200 jobs vanished in an economically depressed area–which is more important, A job or a union job–the unions have as much to do with our economic problems as any other part of the equation.

    _______________

    Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.–William F. Buckley

  • robert108

    Michigan is in the dumper due to Dem rule, and it has also destroyed Louisiana, although the new Republican gov is bringing it back. All your lies about “rural poverty” can’t distract from the meltdown of the inner cities due to Dem social spending policies. Your massive welfare schemes have destroyed black culture in the inner cities, and have produced malignant gangs. Shame on you!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Actually, stem people, all your crowing about how horrible the cities are due to poverty pales in comparison to rural poverty:

    Rural Poverty Research Center

    Persistent Poverty Counties are those that have had poverty rates of 20% or higher in every decennial census between 1970 and 2000.

    340 of the 386 (88%) Persistently Poor Counties are nonmetro.

    18% of nonmetro counties are persistent poverty counties, versus only 4% of metro counties.

    The nonmetro South, with over 40 percent of the U.S. nonmetro population, has a significantly higher incidence of poverty. 82% of the nonmetro persistently poor counties are in the South.

    But it’s more fun to pick on black poverty cities, isn’t it?

    We wouldn’t have so much poverty if not for the shit republican leadership we’ve had. Census figures show that we lost more ground as a society under bush than previously believed:

    Things really are bad all over – and they had gone bad even before the housing and finance industries crashed and sent the economy into a tailspin.

    The latest data shows that throughout the first half of the decade, the slumping economy touched nearly every community in the country. Incomes dropped while poverty and unemployment rose in the vast majority of the nation’s cities and towns.

    The numbers weren’t as bad in other parts of country, as in the Midwest, but no region was spared, with incomes dropping as home prices escalated. The result: an unsustainable housing market that ultimately fueled the current economic crisis.

    The data, which is being released Tuesday, is the first detailed economic, social and demographic information for small- and medium-sized cities since the 2000 census. It was collected over three years, from 2005 through 2007, providing a mid-decade snapshot of every community with at least 20,000 residents.

  • carrick

    Robert108, I’m pretty sure you don’t object to the NRA.

    Organizations have a purpose in amplifying the power of people with similar interests.

    The problem isn’t the organization per se, but the mentality of the people who run the organizations, and especially the collusion of government officials to grow the power of the organizations (not the same thing as growing the power of the worker at all, btw). In my opinion, without this collusion, American Unions would never have gotten as powerful, centralized and generally dysfunctional.

  • Friend of USA

    Also sounds like you wouldn’t last a day on an assembly line with all that hypochondria.

    –Dino,

    You can not posibly know if I have real health problems or if I am imagining them,

    But everydody reading your comment knows you are stupid to give a diagnosis over the comment section of a blog.

    Next you will be evalutaing my shoe size and telling me what I ate for supper last evening just by reading one of my comment.

    Keep it up.

    You look more stupid by the minute.

  • robert108

    The two parties are playing politics with this issue. Wrong! The Dems are the ones playing politics in trying to nationalize the market in a free country. The Republicans want to say that they stood their ground and did not waste funds on the big three. Actually, that’s called “doing the right thing”, or “telling the truth”.

  • robert108

    Carrick: It’s the inevitable result of collectivism; individualism always works better. Collectivism always leads to corruption.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    The companies may be thriving but the workers are not. The lower salaries paid to foreign car workers in the south contributes to the south being more poverty-striken and more of a burden to the taxpayer. The south is near-third world.

    Hey! If we return to slavery, the car companies will REALLY make some healthy profits!

  • Pete

    The companies may be thriving but the workers are not. The lower salaries paid to foreign car workers in the south contributes to the south being more poverty-striken and more of a burden to the taxpayer.

    Have you been to Detroit recently?

  • carrick

    I pretty much agree with Robert108, the real losers from reorganization will be members of the UAW. However, a bail-out isn’t going to stop that reorganization (which includes restructuring, it will just postpone the inevitable.

    That makes the bailout a waste of money, and just spreads out the misery over a longer period of time. Socialism has failed. This is evident in the GSEs, government intervention with the CRA, and large centralized unions. It served a purpose in the past, now it is just a dinosaur, a hold-out from a different time.

  • Jerry

    China is the next Japan..

    If the US doesn’t get competitive, it will definately lose “all” industry. At which point, third world status is not far off.

    Of course, Dino’s kind of a Commie. He may dig that.

  • Pete

    If you listen to what Dino and the Dems are saying, you would think that Detroit would be a shining example of an American city at its best. With union labor calling all the shots and Democrat leadership in almost every seat of power, this is your beacon of liberalism… Downtown Detroit

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JbGxIR8JTk&feature=related

  • http://www.bikebubba.blogspot.com/ Bike Bubba

    For reference, pay for Toyota, Honda, and other employees of foreign automakers on U.S. soil reaches $27/hour plus benefits and overtime. It’s hardly chump change anywhere in the country, especially in the low cost areas favored by the foreign carmakers.

    Contributing to poverty, as Dina/Tinky-Winky claims? If he wants to define $54k/year plus benefits and OT as “poverty,” he’s welcome to do that, but those of us who live in the real world are also free to consider his claims to be the absurdity they are.

  • carrick

    Robert108, I don’t follow your argument about collective bargaining and collusion.

    That really seems to be going a bit far here, we’re talking about the relationship between management and its workers, not between different companies and their customers.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Notice how the guy insults and then blames his opponents for the insults he just gave.

    The guy has no shame. He is a bitter partisan hack whose mind has rotted out from hatred, all the while trying to convince everybody that he’s really for “diversity”. What a sham.

  • ollie-B

    Call it brinksmanship. Or who will blink first: the U.S. GOVT or GM. You cannot convince me that a world wide conglomerate like GM
    will run out of operating capital at the end of the year. The two parties are playing politics with this issue. The Republicans want to say that they stood their ground and did not waste funds on the big three. The Democrats simply want to say that they did the right thing and saved millions of American jobs. Though there is no guarantee of this.

  • robert108

    It served a purpose in the past…

    As an object lesson on the evils of collectivism? Otherwise a fine comment, Carrick.

  • http://boyddrivefollies.blogspot.com/ Good Ol Boy

    And consider this: Chrysler was just purchased a year or two back from Daimler by a large private equity firm, Cerebus. Now supposedly everyone did their due diligence and all Chrysler’s woes were known up front. So what does that say about their predictions of calamity impending?
    Oh and another thing- Cerebus also owns a large chunk of GMAC- General Motor’s finance arm, which incidentally was also involved in the subprime meltdown through their subsidy Ditech.
    So who are we really bailing out? Car makers or more bankers?

  • robert108

    They are perfectly constitutional…

    How is it “constitutional” to fix prices and to collude in bargaining? I’m stumped, as no one else gets to do those things.

  • robert108

    The big 3 won’t fall; it will be the greedy unions that will fall. This threat of “meltdown” will not materialize. Without the nationalization, er, “bailout”, our domestic manufacturers will have to cut costs to remain competitive, which will mean eliminating costly union demands. There is no other way. Subsidizing inefficiency is never the answer, it only creates a bigger problem.

  • robert108

    Under Dem rule, the entire State of Michigan has gone into the dumper.

  • Friend of USA

    Also sounds like you wouldn’t last a day on an assembly line with all that hypochondria.

    - Dino

    If a job required logical thinking, you’de be fired before luch break.

  • tohtestars2

    being more poverty-striken and more of a burden to the taxpayer.

    Never been to inner city Chicago, Detroit, New York, Philidelphia, have you? Proof that liberalism is a mental disorder.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    We know that Toyota workers earn something like $48/hour in wages and benefits.

    Sounds like they’re doing better than OK.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    So because Friend of USA is a loser (what other republicans would call you, not me) who can’t make money with a degree, everyone should get their pay cut.

    Yeah, sounds about right for a conservative.

    Also sounds like you wouldn’t last a day on an assembly line with all that hypochondria.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

    Red herring. The number of people showing up for jobs is no indication of the quality of those jobs, just the availabilty.

    Lowering the bar is lowering the bar no matter how you slice it. Much of our present crisis is due to the steadily decreasing salaries paid to US workers in all sectors.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Pete – If you listen to what Dino and the Dems are saying, you would think that Detroit would be a shining example of an American city at its best.

    No kidding. For all of his backpatting about his supposed superiority and his demonization of those who prefer freedom, the guy has a HUGE blind spot.

    His policies give us Detroit – the land of abandoned skyscrapers, roaming crackheads, dangerous scrappers, and a hopelessly crooked government.

    He doesn’t care. He’ll just shrug it off by attributing it to race or something. He won’t notice that the city is governed almost exclusively by black Democrats. It’s his blind spot at work.

  • Friend of USA

    GM unionized workers get about 72$ an hour in pay and benefits.

    I’d work for GM for HALF that.

    I’d move to almost any city in the USA for half that $72 an hour in pay and benefits.

    They should fire those UAW overpaid unskilled big babies and hire people like me who have college degrees and who would be happy to be getting HALF of $72 an hour.

    The most I ever earned was $21 an hour ( keep in mind those were CANADIAN dollars ) and I had zero benefits ( no dental pan, no paid sick days et cetera..).

    Yes I do have some mild health problems ( headaches, insomnia, some chronic fatigue syndrome symptoms…) but how hard can it be to install cup holders all day?

    Where do I apply?

  • http://magyartruth.blogspot.com/ Chief RZ

    And they are not paid for not working. In union speak that is called “featherbedding”
    Good Toyota workers are paid to produce. Period. Good business.

    Soon we will have a quota for buying Union-produced junk. We are about to do what we said the Europeans were guilty of: subsidizing an industry.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Imagine that! The market works.

    The left’s response: invent straw men.

  • carrick

    Robert108, I was thinking of the days of violent confrontations between companies and the laborers. Labor unions played an important role in the reform of labor practices in this and other countries.

    Obviously they’ve grown into bloated and ineffective organizations that harm their workers more than they help them. The answer to why that is, is very interesting but OT here.

  • robert108

    Robert108, I don’t follow your argument about collective bargaining and collusion. Collective bargaining, a special privilege granted only to unions, would be called collusion if anyone else did it. The unions collude to jsck up operating costs every time they “renegotiate” their contracts with the domestic auto manufacturers, and they all agree to target one manufacturer and use that as leverage against the rest.

    That really seems to be going a bit far here, we’re talking about the relationship between management and its workers, not between different companies and their customers. It’s only a difference for the owners of the companies(the stockholders), if all the stockholders of the auto companies bargained collectively with the unions, to avoid the price fixing and work requirements, they would be prosecuted. Actually, trade unionism is just another form of Marxism, which posits a false relationship between labor and management based on the faulty “class struggle” ideology.

    Union ideology also confuses management(who are employees) with owners(the stockholders). Their ideological model only holds with a privately owned company, where the management often owns the company, but not always.

  • robert108

    Carrick: Excuse me for not making things clear; my beef is with the special privilege granted to unions; collective bargaining, which is generally forbidden in our free enterprise economic system. It is this special dispensation that produces the corruption. It is a crime for businesses to bargain collectively, or even to discuss pricing, and rightly so. The fact that unions get to do something that is a crime for anyone else in their area is simply wrong, and, IMO, is the source of why unions are the way they are. Unions are allowed to fix the price and supply of labor at higher than market value. Not a good thing, and the bigger they get, the more malignant that becomes in our economic system.

  • carrick
  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    The companies may be thriving but the workers are not. The lower salaries paid to foreign car workers in the south contributes to the south being more poverty-striken and more of a burden to the taxpayer.

    Can you tell us how much KIA is paying its assembly line workers? How much they’re getting in benefits?

    According to the article above, when KIA asked for applicants the company got 43,000 responses.

    Are we really supposed to believe that 43,000 people applied to work for peanuts?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I don’t have a problem with unions. They are perfectly constitutional, and all workers should be free to join them if they choose.

    In fact, our Constitution guarantees as much as a right.

    I think, though, that business owners (whether they be individuals or stockholders) should have a right to choose whether or not they want to associate with a union.

    Thanks to government meddling, businesses don’t really have that right.

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