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Tuesday, September 18, 2007

Americans Think Celebrities Should Stay Out Of Politics

By a pretty slim margin, though.

(CBS) Americans are divided as to whether Hollywood celebrities ought to get involved in politics, a new CBS News/New York Times poll finds.

Forty-nine percent of those surveyed say celebrities should stay out of politics, while 46 percent think they should get involved if they choose.

Democrats and liberals are much more welcoming of celebrity involvement in politics than Republicans and conservatives. Sixty-nine percent of Republicans said celebrities should stay out of politics, compared to just 33 percent of Democrats.

I guess I’m in the majority among conservatives on this one, but I think celebrities have the same rights as every other American to speak out on politics.  That most celebrities are clueless on the subject is neither here nor there.

Of course, on the flip side of that, I wish more celebrities would recognize that their fans have that right too, and that it isn’t “censorship” for them to express their feelings on politics by not buying the movies or music of celebrities whose politics they don’t like (I’m looking at you, Dixie Chicks).

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so we balance out...I bought their album and I don’t even like country music.

The only time I want them to “shut up” is when they use celebrity as a pulpit, but then cry “I want my privacy”.  I think if you strive to make yourself ‘news’ then you are ‘news’.

hey and I now kinda like the dixie chicks music...kinda

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so we balance out...I bought their album and I don’t even like country music.

As a conservative, most of the artists whose music I buy have political orientations pretty much the polar opposite of mine.  But I ignore it.  Good music is good music.

To me, the Dixie Chicks have never played good music.  But that’s just my personal taste, and it has nothing to do with their politics.

My biggest point is that I thought the whole “Dixie Chicks as victims” thing was dumb.  They said something, lots of their fans disagreed, and their careers took the hit.

Cause and effect, not censorship.


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Rob on September 18, 2007 at 09:33 am
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Big surprise.  The Dems who align with 99% of celebrities that seek to impose their politics on the population, think they should jump into the fray and Republicans who disagree with their politics think they should stay out of it.

Shocked.  Maybe they could follow up with a poll to see what color the sky is.

deadrody on September 18, 2007 at 09:52 am

That most celebrities are clueless on the subject is neither here nor there.

The real problem here is that celebrities already have name and face recognition, and are practiced at convincingly mouthing words they neither think nor believe.  People automatically believe them, and they are good at making what they say believable.
It’s not a “rights” issue, it’s a responsibility issue.


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robert108 on September 18, 2007 at 10:09 am

There are some celebrities that can get away with it. For instance, Babs Streisand is very talented. BUT I can’t stand her politics. So now when one of her songs come on OR a movie, I can’t bring myself to watch or listen to it… Other celebs don’t seem to have quite so much of an affect as she does. It must be the commie thang???

Zsa Zsa on September 18, 2007 at 10:19 am
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I would really like to see more of what Vanessa Anne Hudgens has to say...or show.

markm on September 18, 2007 at 11:26 am

Most of these so-called celebrities, the mavens of TV and Hollywood, can attribute their celebrity status, their fame and their fortune, the very fact that anyone knows or cares who they are, to a lifelong commitment to make-believe.  Singers like Streisand or the Dixie Chicks put their fantasy to song, while actors must be told what to say, how to stand, which eyebrow to raise, and when to fart.  The idea that such people, whose entire lives are based on fiction and unreality, should be accorded some extra respect for their views on life in the real world, is simply nonsense.

Besides, the problem isn’t these celebrities’ views, jaded and unrealistic as they are, so much as the presumption that because they are “stars” they ought to be listened to.  They are entitled to their views, just like the rest of us.  They are NOT entitled to an audience.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on September 18, 2007 at 12:02 pm

This survey is being grossly misrepresented. The majority of Americans not only want celebrities to shut the F up, they want them tazered!


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2Hotel9 on September 18, 2007 at 02:38 pm
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They’ve got the same rights as anyone else.  For instance, if I suddenly became famous, I’d use my fame to spread my views (starting with the Gospel!) the best I could.

What gets me is when people don’t like their message and quit buying their albums or tickets to their movies, and they get all indignant and cry “censorship” with the zeal of one who’s never read a dictionary.  Just because they’ve got the means to make their viewpoint known doesn’t mean it has to be accepted.  And if they aren’t willing to pay the consequences at the box office or Sam Goody, then they should just shut up.

Clint on September 18, 2007 at 04:04 pm
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Big surprise.

I am surprised that conservatives discourage Americans from getting involved in politics.
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I am surprised that conservatives discourage Americans from getting involved in politics.

I’m, sadly, not very surprised.  Far too many conservatives are “culture war” conservatives who, frankly, aren’t all that different from liberals.  They just favor using the government to force different types of policies and behaviors on us.


When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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Rob on September 18, 2007 at 04:30 pm

R108 writes: 

The real problem here is that celebrities already have name and face recognition, and are practiced at convincingly mouthing words they neither think nor believe.

Must then apply to that convincing word mouther Fred Thompson.

Puzzlefeet on September 18, 2007 at 05:49 pm

Thanks, Clint. I was thinking on and off all day how to word a serious post on this. Americans have the right to freely speak their minds, that does not extend to anyone having to accept, believe, or acknowledge what anyone else has to say. Same applies to religion. Long as you ain’t forcing your’s upon other people its all cool.

Been trying to comment in the cops tazered protestor thread, keep getting a url error page. I was flip in it this morning, too. Try, try again.


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2Hotel9 on September 18, 2007 at 05:56 pm

Puzzle,

No doubt you offered that very same trite rejoinder when Ronald Reagan was elected… and re-elected (damn! now that was a landslide, wasn’t it?)

I’m sure both Jimmy Carter and Walter Mondale would have been heartened by your analysis… not to mention Mr. Gorbachev.


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Bat One on September 18, 2007 at 06:02 pm

B1, as you can see or read, I simply pointed out the irony in R108’s statement, that’s all.

Puzzlefeet on September 18, 2007 at 06:09 pm

B1, as you can see or read, I simply pointed out the irony in R108’s statement, that’s all.

No irony at all; Fred has also been a Senator, unlike the Hollywood lefties, who have no political experience.  Duh.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on September 18, 2007 at 06:23 pm

Speaking of the Dixie Chicks, do you think that they would have gotten the same reaction from fans and radio stations if they had made their comments about President Bush today instead of 10 days before the Iraq invasion in 2003?

Creasy on September 18, 2007 at 07:05 pm

Speaking of the Dixie Chicks, do you think that they would have gotten the same reaction from fans and radio stations if they had made their comments about President Bush today instead of 10 days before the Iraq invasion in 2003?

Well they’d be just as stupid and just as wrong if they said it today, but you’re probably right.  The mainstream media propaganda machine has been pretty effective in eroding support for the Global War on Terror.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on September 18, 2007 at 07:22 pm
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Speaking of the Dixie Chicks, do you think that they would have gotten the same reaction from fans and radio stations if they had made their comments about President Bush today instead of 10 days before the Iraq invasion in 2003?

Context is everything. Would Palestinians dancing in the street today evoke the same reaction of dancing in the streets Sept. 12, 2001?



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Proof on September 18, 2007 at 07:47 pm

Such rationalization from r108

Puzzlefeet on September 18, 2007 at 07:50 pm
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Proof: What about the Jews that where dancing on top of the roofs, or do you want to exclude them? That never happened on Sept 11th 2001 right Proof?

WETBACK on September 18, 2007 at 08:22 pm
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Don’t you support Fred Thompson for President?

Lestat on September 18, 2007 at 08:48 pm

Such rationalization from r108

The fact that he was a Senator in addition to being an actor(and successful at both) isn’t a rationalization; maybe you don’t know what the word means…


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on September 18, 2007 at 08:53 pm

wet, provide the video of said Jews. CNN and BBC and Al Jazeera have video of Muslims celebrating after 9/11. Where is your video?


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2Hotel9 on September 19, 2007 at 04:36 am

Proof-

Context is everything. Would Palestinians dancing in the street today evoke the same reaction of dancing in the streets Sept. 12, 2001?

Palestinians were reacting to a terrorist attack on the USA. If I saw video of Palestinians dancing in the streets today, I couldn’t care less.  It is the reason they were dancing which upset so many Americans.

I for one beleive that if the Dixie Chicks were to make that comment today, instead of in 2003, they wouldn’t get the same reaction from fans and radio stations.

People feel differently about the war and about the President than in 2003.

I also believe that the Dixie Chicks have every right to voice their opinions and criticism over the President or whatever they want to.

Now whether or not you or I agree with them is another matter.

Creasy on September 19, 2007 at 06:54 am

I also believe that the Dixie Chicks have every right to voice their opinions and criticism over the President or whatever they want to.

Right, but I have every right not to buy their CD’s or concert tickets.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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Don’t you support Fred Thompson for President?

Did you not read the post where I said that celebrities can say whatever they want about politics?  I just don’t want to hear them whining when their activism effects their careers?

Guess not.


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Rob on September 19, 2007 at 07:16 am

One little thing, Fred Thompson was in politics/government service before he was an actor.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on September 19, 2007 at 07:28 am

Aside from the actual politician that happens to be a Hollywood celebrity, I say most of the celebrities know less about politics than the average citizen.  Sadly, too many people listen to the idiocies coming out of Hollywood.


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Anna on September 19, 2007 at 07:51 am

Right, but I have every right not to buy their CD’s or concert tickets.

Right you are Mr. Whistler.  I just hope you have a good taste in music.

Creasy on September 19, 2007 at 09:07 am

I just hope you have a good taste in music.

Well my tastes froze a while ago but if you’ve been watching Friday night videos you’ll see what I like.

My favorite singer is Dean Martin.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on September 19, 2007 at 09:18 am

Creasy: I’m not sure TW’s taste in music is the determining factor here; it’s probably his taste in politics.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on September 19, 2007 at 09:38 am
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