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We need to learn Spanish is he nuts!? Give me a break.
We do not need to learn Spanish. If you come to the United States - you should learn the language here.
No compromise on that - as far as I am concerned.

I’m back! I advise everyone to go to Western Wyoming for a month and a half....Anyway.

Rob: From the Rasmussen poll, what is the number of people polled, is the 83% significant?

I think that Americans who need or want to learn a foreign language to get a job can do just that.

Indeed.  What is the most resourceful second language out there to have?

Senor Obama: ¡Muy Loco en la Cabeza!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

dirl 126:

I spent a winter in western Wyoming back in the 80’s (Rock Springs, Green River area). I would strongly advise anyopne who wants to visit - do it in the summer.

Damn, it was cold! And windy. And desolate.

When you’re driving up there and a sign says, “last gas for x number of miles”, take it seriously. It’s NOT a PR gimmick.

Beautiful country with great trout fishing, though.

The future ain’t what it used to be.....

I absolutely think that immigrants to America should learn English. I also think that American high school students should have to take at least two years of one foreign language. Not only is it good for the global marketplace, but learning a foreign language is an intellectual exercise that I believe helps people to understand their own language better (and in fact, I’m sure there are studies that show this correlation). No doubt that seems like a lofty goal since it seems so many of our high school graduates don’t even know English very well. But I’m all about higher standards.

Anyways, back to the point. By no means should immigrants learning English be considered less important than students learning Spanish. I don’t see any reason why these two aims would have a problem coexisting.

I also think that American high school students should have to take at least two years of one foreign language.

That’s already a requirement in the public schools I went to up here in North Dakota, but personally I’d be a lot happier if we put more emphasis on the maths and sciences than on foreign languages.

Speaking Spanish is great, but right now countries like India are handing us our asses when it comes to cranking out engineers and scientists.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Speaking Spanish is great, but right now countries like India are handing us our asses when it comes to cranking out engineers and scientists.
Rob on July 10, 2008 at 09:57 am

....cranking out engineers and scientists...who are bilingual and highly sought by american buissiness.

Rob,

As a computer science major I couldn’t agree more about the math and science issue. Once again though, I think we should just raise the standards across the board. In my opinion, no student should graduate high school without at least having Algebra II and Geometry. In addition, students should have to have at least three non-remedial science courses, two with labs, from at least two different disciplines (e.g. chemistry & physics or biology & geology).

So, if I ever have kids I’ll most likely be sending them to private schools with tough standards (I wouldn’t rule out a Catholic school). If I had my way, this would be the required curriculum of high schools:

English- 4 years of writing intensive courses to include grammar, sytax and sentence diagrams.

Math- 3 years of courses emphasizing logic and critical thinking and must at least accomplish the level of Algebra II

Science - (see above)

Foregin Language - 2 years of the same language

Social Studies - 1 year of American history, 1 year of American Government/Civics and either Economics or World Geography

Physical education- 1 year of P.E. and one semester of health

Electives - to include at least one semester in public speaking/debate

Basically, we should remove the fluff (like requiring a fine arts class) and focus in on science, math, English and history. If a student wants to take a fine arts class they can but if you force a student to do so who is not interested they’re not going to learn anything anyways. Sorry for being so wordy.

Under English I meant to write “syntax” not “sytax.”

Hussein doesn’t even speak Spanish himself!  What a cabron!

Just one question: Does anyone know how many languages Obama speaks? For his sake, it better be more than 1.

I found it.

Obama speaks passable Bahasa, the language spoken in Indonesia and Malaysia.

So, if I ever have kids I’ll most likely be sending them to private schools with tough standards (I wouldn’t rule out a Catholic school). If I had my way, this would be the required curriculum of high schools:

If those are your standards, just move to PA. The standards at the public school in my district are:

English- 4 years. Though I have to admit that the writing and grammar should have had a larger focus.

Math and Science: 3 years in one and 4 years in the other (students could choose how they wanted the years distributed among the two subjects. Required to at least have geometry and Algebra 2 (exceptions for developmentally handicapped individuals), though most students achieve higher levels of math. Students were required to take biology and chem (both with labs) and one other science course. Most students also took physics with a lab.

Foreign Language: minimum 2 years of same language. Most students had 4-5 years (foreign language program starts in 8th grade).

Social Studies: 4 years- 9th Grade- American History, 10th Grade- World Cultures (including world geography), 11th Grade- World History, 12th Grade- American Government and Economics. Many students also took honors and AP courses that covered each topic further in-depth. There was also a current events elective.

Physical education- P.E. every other day all 4 years. Health every other day for two semesters.

Electives: Public Speaking mandatory for one semester.

Basically, we should remove the fluff (like requiring a fine arts class) and focus in on science, math, English and history. If a student wants to take a fine arts class they can but if you force a student to do so who is not interested they’re not going to learn anything anyways.

In the district, students do not have to take any art-related classes in high school. But there was a good art program for those that did choose to do so.

There are good public schools out there, but they’re harder to find then should they be. If possible, I would also like to send my kid’s to private schools.

In high school, I took two years of French so that I could attend college. After graduating from college I was qualified for at least three positions (verified letter stating so)that were given to less qualified applicants, because they were fluent in Spanish. Fact, they immigrated from Mexico.
No one can tell me that Mexican immigrants do jobs that Americans don’t want to do.

...who are bilingual and highly sought by american buissiness.

Because they, unlike the invader parasites, are fluent in English.  Duh. They aren’t “highly sought after” because they speak Spanish.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

...who are bilingual and highly sought by american buissiness.

Because they, unlike the invader parasites, are fluent in English.  Duh. They aren’t “highly sought after” because they speak Spanish.
robert108 on July 10, 2008 at 11:53 am

Being bilingual does not mean just english and spanish.
Why not learn chinese? Or one of the multitude of Indian languages and dialects.
Also spanish is helpfull. All of South Americans with the exeption of Brazilians speak Spanish.

If one wants to be a legally licensed Private Pilot, he/she MUST be proficient in speaking English.
It’s the international recognized radio traffic language.

Spanish is the preferred second (first) language because it’s root is so close to many other languages & it’s use-able in more places.
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But, just for ellinas, here’s a little Chinese....John Wayne style:
I’ll take the poo-poo platter, Hop Sing.
Now....CHOP CHOP!
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Lord, I ‘pologize....

Being bilingual does not mean just english and spanish.

Tell that to Obama; he’s the one pimping for Spanish.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

....cranking out engineers and scientists...who are bilingual and highly sought by american bussiness.

As usual you have no idea what you are posting.  Speaking from experience, bilingualism has nothing to do with the hiring of foreign technical people, however proficiency in english does i.e. they have to be able to communicate with American engineers, duh.  Thanks to years of British domination, all educated Indians can speak english fluently.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Anna,

No one can tell me that Mexican immigrants do jobs that Americans don’t want to do.

Kind of a strawman, eh? The argument is usually ”illegal Mexican immigrants”. I assume, since you didn’t say they were illegal, that the immigrants in your story came here legally. If anything, your story illustrates the importance of Americans to learn Spanish.

Though I agree that immigrants here should learn English. The government needs to stop spending taxpayer money to make everything in two languages.

ENGLISH LANGUAGE UNIFIES THE NATION

Banning governmental use of all foreign languages, and making fluency in English one of the basic requirements for immigration, supports patriotic national unity.

I can tell you that when I get finished with my degree, I will have a plethora of job opportunities to choose from in software engineering. The reason being that the demand in this country for qualified software engineers far exceeds the current supply. Many companies are hiring international applicants with these skills but would rather hire Americans because the Americans have better management and communication skills. My brother is a mechanical engineer and he had like 5 job offers before he even graduated.

Amweica is not keeping pace in science/engineering/math disciplines but that’s good news for nerds like me. I’ll have companies competing for me while many of my peers are desparately seeking anyone who will hire them. It’s a good time to be a nerd. If you don’t believe me, just check the Occupational Outlook Handbook under software engineer. Here’s the link:
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos267.htm

Brilliant Rob, exemplifies Obama’s point by attempting to attack Obama.

The real worry is people coming into this country illegally, thumbing their noses at our immigration laws and then expecting us to accommodate them with translated government documents and the like.

No, nobody is expecting our government to have translated government documents, we do it to protect ourselves legally and to prevent further expense.

Rob exemplifies Obama’s point by demonstrating how his concern for that issue, doesn’t help Rob at all.  Instead, Rob would benefit more if he were bilingual, especially if he wanted a higher paying job that required it.

Now, I agree that immigrants should learn English. I agree with that. But understand this. Instead of worrying about whether immigrants can learn English — they’ll learn English — you need to make sure your child can speak Spanish. You should be thinking about, how can your child become bilingual? We should have every child speaking more than one language. - Barack Obama

So while Rob hides the fact that Obama said that immigrants should learn English, he misses the larger point about why caring about it shouldn’t concern him.

You are brilliant Rob.

No, nobody is expecting our government to have translated government documents, we do it to protect ourselves legally and to prevent further expense.

So you’re saying nobody is expecting government documents...except for the liberal politicians and trial lawyers who write laws requiring such things and then file lawsuits based on those laws.

Brilliant point, Hannitized!

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Now, to get to the benefit that Obama is proposing.

He is right, there is no denying how and why having a useful second language can help you.  I live in Hawaii and speaking Japanese more than casually, which I do, would benefit me tremendously, especially if my territory included Japan.

Further, it is sort of embarrassing that most citizens from foreign countries speak at least two languages thoroughly.  The only people who are not embarrassed are the same people that are referred to when you hear the expression “your typical average American”.  If the shoe fits, wear it.

I live in Hawaii and speaking Japanese more than casually, which I do, would benefit me tremendously, especially if my territory included Japan.

Hell, Hannitized! Speaking English more than casually would benefit you tremendously! I suggest remedial classes, STAT!

If the shoe fits, wear it.

Heh.

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

So you’re saying nobody is expecting government documents...except for the liberal politicians and trial lawyers who write laws requiring such things and then file lawsuits based on those laws.

What you just said is vastly different from your previous statement of immigrants expecting us to accommodate them.

And by making the proclamation that only liberals are creating laws that protect America and happen to be humanitarian is just your normal divisive hyperbole that is largely removed from the facts. 

Give me a break.

Hell, Hannitized! Speaking English more than casually would benefit you tremendously! I suggest remedial classes, STAT!

Want to compare W2s and job responsibilities??  I would be careful what you say before you go about spouting your immature mouth off.

As usual you have no idea what you are posting.  Speaking from experience, bilingualism has nothing to do with the hiring of foreign technical people, however proficiency in english doesdocdave on July 10, 2008 at 12:28 pm

Did you think long and hard before you wrote the above?
The foreign technical people, are bilingual.
They speak their native language (hindi, urdu etc in this case) and are proficient in english.

Spanish/English/whatever; the POINT is the Obamadable is a liberal elitist Euro-phile who thinks most of us unwashed American voters need someone SMART LIKE HIM to lead us out of darkness. Hussein, besa mis nalgas! How about dat Hussein for some Spanish?

Well Comrade B. Hussein Obama, got news for ya…

I speak several foreign languages and that, in and of itself, will get you a collective yawn from American employers.

What is going on is several things and it is instructive not to conflate them.

1) This massive cohort of invasive illegal immigrants are very different from those who came before them in that, they don’t particularly want to be Americans, as much as they want to be Mexicans in America. 

The steaming, teeming masses waiving Mexican and flags from other nations South O’ Dee Border, coupled with chants of si se puede and Reconquista was stark testimony to this.

Also, having lived in the foreign enclave of Miami-Dade, I found that not only is there a general disinterest in learning English, there is contempt for it and for those natives who speak it.  In many ways, this is truly an invasion, aided and abetted by government officials who, for some ungodly reason, want this invasion to continue unabated.

2) Yes, learning a second language is invaluable to the individual, if only for the greater worldview it affords, particularly if learning that language is accompanied by living in that country for awhile, eating the food, drinking the wine and generally getting to know the people.  The world instantly becomes both a larger and smaller place.  (ask me to explain it sometime)

3) American employers, to include those who employ skilled professionals, are in many ways like the employers of illegals in the foodpacking industry, hospitality, construction and other areas where Americans have been displaced from the workplace. 

Using the H1B visa program, they are letting go American medical and technical professionals and hiring in their places, comparatively dirt-cheap professionals.

So, while it is good to be international in outlook, and Americans will always be better-served by gaining knowledge, be it of foreign languages and the hard sciences, American corporations need to play along and quit screwing Americans out of jobs by hiring dirt-cheap foreign labor.

At the bottom of it all is this: the American corporation is really a misnomer. 

US-based corporations, for some time now, have instead considered themselves MNCs or Multinational Corporations and whatever is best for the corporation is the plan of the day.  By and large, they have lost all loyalty to the country which shelters, protects and nurtures them.

...for great justice

Further, it is sort of embarrassing that most citizens from foreign countries speak at least two languages thoroughly.

It’s only “embarrassing” to America haters like you.  The reality is that it’s a symbol of our success and power that people wishing to move upward in life seek to do business with us, and in so doing, learn English.
You have it backwards, as usual.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

The foreign technical people, are bilingual.
They speak their native language (hindi, urdu etc in this case) and are proficient in english.

There is a point missing in this.

The fact that these people are learning a 2nd language, their native, and ENGLISH, is to be able to work in AMERICAN jobs.

They are learning what they need to work.

Being that if an American goes to another country to work, I would expect them to learn that language as well.

Same as any immigrant that is seeking american work, will want to learn english to be able to work in american companies.

The issue is where you work primarily, and those that come to the US, learn english not because its a great language, but because they want to work where it is spoken.

If they thought they could get work in France, they would probably learn French.

Same as what you do to learn or train for your job. You take the required courses for your degree, that enables you to compete for the jobs you want. If you want specific or out of country jobs, you will learn the language of where you would like to work so you can be more competitive.

R108,

There is a little more to it than that.

Once, while overseas, I was discussing this issue with one of the natives.  Having seen a bit of the situation in Europe, I explained to him the reason for the American failure to learn foreign languages:

A European usually lives in a country about the size of an American state.  A fair proportion of their film and music entertainment is still transmitted or shown in theaters in English.  That same European will often live quite close to the border of one or more foreign countries and will encounter foreigners from all over Europe and even the world on a daily basis.

In education, they will often learn their own language, plus English and perhaps even a third foreign language.  Kids will often be found traveling by train, accompanied by teachers, through many countries throughout Europe.  These younger kids will oftentimes consider themselves to be more European than whatever nationality they are.  That has been the plan and design of the European Community and now the European Union.  By thinning the individual nationalisms of each state, wars like WWI and WWII would be much less likely.

Key to it all is that English is necessary and will be encountered by them in their daily lives.  The knowledge of English and other foreign languages is not only useful to them, in many ways it is imperative that they can speak English for a myriad of reasons.

Now, for the average American, they can travel from sea to shining sea and hear and speak only English.

They might venture overseas once in awhile, and while it is always better that they communicate with the natives in their own language, more often than not, you can stand on any given street corner in the world and locate someone who speaks English.

The average American does not travel that much outside their own home town, much less overseas.  What then is the utility of learning a foreign language when it is only rarely used?

The exception might be areas where Americans are being swamped by invasive illegal immigration.  Here the American will have to learn the language of the invader to understand what they are saying about the gringo before they surprise you.

...for great justice

I speak several foreign languages and that, in and of itself, will get you a collective yawn from American employers.

That is pure BS.  Talk to Cisco, SUN, HP, NetApp, IBM, Foundry Networks any tech company that is doing business world wide.  They need reps who are bilingual and usually, those rare folks who have the talent and the ability to speak two languages generally hold their positions longer, because there are few people who can replace them.

You do a much better job representing your company on a global scale if you can speak the local language of the countries you do business in. 

Or even if you live in an HubZone you would recognize the importance of this. 

Your ignorance of the facts is not a powerful argument.

An vociferous argument from a solid position of ignorance I see.

That may be true for technical trades, but for non-technical professions, it is a different story.

...for great justice

Want to compare W2s and job responsibilities?? 

See! I knew you couldn’t read, moron! I was speaking of your inability to convey thoughts clearly in English, not how much some other moron is willing to pay you!
How exactly will your W-2 explain your third grade reading and writing abilities?

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

eunichized pronounces:

Want to compare W2s¹ and job responsibilities²??  I would be careful what you say [sic]³ before you go about spouting your immature[ sic]⁴ mouth off.

Oh my!

¹ Form W2 (Federal Wage and Tax Statement), while a reasonable indicator of wages earned, is in no way an indicator of proficiency in written or spoken English.

² Likewise, employment status and responsibilities are in no way an indicator of proficiency in written or spoken English.  As you subsequently prove by mangling the language in footnotes 3 and 4 below.

³ Heh.  Properly, this should read “I would recommend that you be more careful in what you write” or “A wise man would be more careful in what they write”.  Though how you managed to write that without bleeding to death via facial blush escapes me…

⁴ A mouth is no more nor less mature than the rest of the body, and ages at the same rate.  It is the mind which for some, such as yourself, never reaches maturity.

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

BTW: You libs always bust on W for his English and speaking abilities. Want to compare your W2 and job responsibilities with him? Heh.

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

That may be true for technical trades, but for non-technical professions, it is a different story.

Then your statement that “American employers give a collective yawn” for English speaking employees is horribly inaccurate.

See! I knew you couldn’t read, moron! I was speaking of your inability to convey thoughts clearly in English, not how much some other moron is willing to pay you!

You might have been, who knows?  But your additional comments to the thread are adding to the topic of how having proficiency in languages benefits you ECONOMICALLY.  You complete idiot!

Don’t get upset with others because you lack adequate reading comprehension skills as well as the ability to stay on topic.

Form W2 (Federal Wage and Tax Statement), while a reasonable indicator of wages earned, is in no way an indicator of proficiency in written or spoken English.

No, but it is more often than not a solid indicator of intelligence.  Especially when compared to another who is claiming that English skills represent intelligence, when the argument suits them.  Not to mention that the very same person would flip-flop on that same argument when needed.  That is an indicator of ethics and standards, that the particularly sorry person happens to lack.

Likewise, employment status and responsibilities are in no way an indicator of proficiency in written or spoken English. 

No, but they are when considering intelligence.

You guys like to focus on trivial matters that don’t have any relevance to the bottom line.

No, but it is more often than not a solid indicator of intelligence.

So Bush is more intelligent than most of his liberal critics, because his W-2 is bigger? Awesome! That’s settled! Heh.
Anyway, I don’t give a flying fig what your take home pay is! Here, where the onus is on you to write with the skills of a third grader or higher, you consistently fail the test.

I know you don’t care about anything like evidence or facts, but here, the facts, as characterized by your inability to spell, punctuate or use grammar properly are available for all to see. Your W-2 is likely to remain as hidden as any other talent anyone would pay you for!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

You guys like to focus on trivial matters…

You’re right! We do pay more attention to you than you’re worth!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

No, but it is more often than not a solid indicator of intelligence.

False.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

The only solid indicator of intelligence is an IQ test; all other “indicators” are inferential.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

Actually, the intelligent people avoid withholding taxes by making their money by investing; they may not have any W2 income at all.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

OK...1 more jab....
As I listened to the words of obama again, he pushes the idea of teaching your children Spanish.
I wonder...are both his kids fluent in both English AND Spanish?

So Bush is more intelligent than most of his liberal critics, because his W-2 is bigger? Awesome! That’s settled! Heh.

Your idiot logic sets aside reason and rational thought.  The specific example you cling to is of course beyond an exception to the rule. 

Everyday Americans who are not the president of the United States, pretty much are held accountable to performance evaluations and maintain their employment, salaries and raises having gone through the process.

Having your income based upon your ability to influence others and to trust you help them make substantial changes to their enterprise infrastructure requires a bit more than average intelligence. 

Stop pretending that you are either smarter than others because your punctuation is fantastic.  You look like an idiot constantly making that argument.

eunichized,

The only “idiot logic” here is someone who brings in Form W2 and Job Description/Responsibilities as measures of literacy (subsequently changed to measures of intelligence) while writing:

I would be careful what you say [sic] before you go about spouting your immature[ sic] mouth off.

which would be embarrassing if written by a high school drop out.

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

The only “idiot logic” here is someone who brings in Form W2 and Job Description/Responsibilities as measures of literacy (subsequently changed to measures of intelligence) while writing:

As stated earlier, the conversation was in relation to bilingualism and the economic gains of it. 

Proof attempted, but failed, to change the topic from economic gain to something else.  It’s his usual tactic and a sign of his usual lack of reading comprehension to comprehend the subject matter.

Proof attempted, but failed, to change the topic from economic gain to something else.

You misunderstand yet again! Your reading comprehension isn’t yet third grade, eh, Han-job?

I wasn’t attempting to change anything, I was pointing out the near incoherence of this sentence:

I live in Hawaii and speaking Japanese more than casually, which I do, would benefit me tremendously, especially if my territory included Japan.

You were the bozo who tried to make it all about you by bringing in your W-2 and all that other crap. (As if the amount one is paid was any indication of intelligence! Does the name Paris Hilton ring a bell, Han-job?)
I can’t help it if you’re easily distracted by shiny objects!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

(As if the amount one is paid was any indication of intelligence! Does the name Paris Hilton ring a bell, Han-job?)

Your lame-brained examples are always the exception to the rule.  You think that by using such irregular examples you have proved something.  You haven’t!

I doubt anyone would entrust you with anything significant, let alone pay you to be entrusted.

I figured the example would be too difficult for you, Han-job. Paris is like Einstein compared to you!

pay you to be entrusted.

English not first language, Han-job? Maybe someone could draw you a picture?

BTW, It’s just so darned cute when you try to insult me! The little misspellings and grammatical errors remind me of the last time one of my kids was two. (Only he was a lot brighter than you even then!)

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

First of all, Han-job, I’m surprised that you can even spell W-2!

Your lame-brained examples are always the exception to the rule.

Every one of my “exceptions” has disproved your rule!
But you still cling to your same lame argument like a flat-earther or 9/11 truther, unable to be swayed by facts, reason or logic!

my territory

Hmmm. If you can be believed, (BIG if!) you’re not an entrepreneur. You could be a route driver, but with your personality...I’m thinking: Amway salesman!
And you may have a very glib tongue and great verbal skills, but your written communications are pathetic! Remedial classes might help your spelling and grammar, but those leaps of logic, wherein you equate the size of one’s W-2 with intelligence is simply...not intelligent!

BTW, how many examples would you like before you concede that your rule is not a rule?

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

BTW, It’s just so darned cute when you try to insult me! The little misspellings and grammatical errors remind me of the last time one of my kids was two.

Again, you look like a complete idiot when you try to insult people on punctuation, spelling and what not.  You are a fool brother.

Every one of my “exceptions” has disproved your rule!

Paris Hilton and the POTUS is no argument my friend.  You are a total idiot if you think those example has changed anything.

Hmmm. If you can be believed, (BIG if!) you’re not an entrepreneur. You could be a route driver, but with your personality...I’m thinking: Amway salesman!

Heh.  With your personality, I am betting KB-Toy’s sales clerk.

Look brother, the things I spend my time doing on a regular work day consist of working with financial institutions, hospitals, utility companies, insurance companies and of course the Federal government and Military.

When I say working with, I mean earning their trust and confidence.  Being a trusted adviser is something you would never achieve, I am sure if it.

You are a total idiot if you think those example (sic) has changed anything.

That’s right, kiddies! Han-job just doesn’t know how to quit when he’s behind! (And some people think he’s a BIG behind!)
Tell him what he’s won: A chance to fit this into your “rule”: If, as you say:

No, but it is more often than not a solid indicator of intelligence.

Buy extra popcorn for this one, folks! If he shows up (and that’s a big if! Han-job has a tendency to slink away after he’s had his ass handed to him!) it will be entertaining to watch the pretzel like logic involved to defend the same lame premise that was on its last legs before anyone even challenged it.

Speaking of “challenged”, take it away, Han-job!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Hannitized: You ran off before you answered this question:
You said:

No, but it (the W-2) is more often than not a solid indicator of intelligence.

I asked:

More often than not?
Then, compare the W-2’s of professional athletes to teachers!
Please explain how ALL these exceptions to your rule apply, and how all professional athletes are more intelligent than their high school teachers and college faculty.

I know it’s your habit to run away whenever you have your ass handed to you, but answering this question would be SO entertaining for the rest of us!

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.