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Tuesday, October 07, 2008

American Pension Funds Have Lost $2 Trillion

So how long until we’re all talking about a federal bailout for pension plans?

WASHINGTON (AP) - The top congressional budget analyst says pension plans have lost as much as $2 trillion in the past 15 months.

Peter Orszag told a House panel on Tuesday that the losses are likely to force many workers to hold off on major purchases and delay their retirements.

The panel was investigating how the housing, credit and financial troubles battering the economy have affected retirement savings.

More than half the people surveyed in a recent Associated Press-GfK poll said they worry that they will have to work longer because the value of their retirement savings has declined.

What’s sad is that many Democrats are going to use this bailout fiasco as fodder for their opposition to the privatization of things like Social Security and health care (health savings accounts, for instance).  It’ll likely be an effective tactic given just how little most Americans understand about what happened to our credit markets.

It’s worth noting that the credit collapse that’s causing all the problems right now didn’t happen because of free trading in the market.  It happened because 51% of our nation’s $12 trillion mortgage market was tied up with two government-sponsored companies (Fannie and Freddie), and many of the loans that made up that $12 trillion market were given to people who couldn’t afford them under mandates from the government.

Put simply: The market collapsed because of government interference.  If the government had stayed out, we wouldn’t have had this collapse.

But the Democrats aren’t likely to mention that fact when using the collapse to make their points against privatizing certain government programs.

Comments

Thank you government!

And thank you Democrats for learning exactly the opposite lesson. You’ll destroy this great nation yet.

Now about those houses that you believe unqualified “minorities” have a right to - how is that working out?

Thank you, Democrats. Now people don’t have houses and the rest of us are fucked. Again, we couldn’t do it without you.

Democrats are like destructive tornadoes. They come in and destroy everything of value.

likwidshoe on October 7, 2008 at 12:15 pm
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Thank you government from Washington DC (District of Criminals), for meddling in the free market, coercing the loan industry to make loans to risky people who do not qualify.  The rules were in place for that purpose and protection.  You are not, and never will be a solution to problems, YOU are the problem. And your boy Obama wants to tax business even more to drive the economy down, with what appears to be, destroying this country.  You clowns really are a laughing stock to the rest of the country.  In addition, your arrogance precedes your stupidity.  I’m off my soap box now.

Harry on October 7, 2008 at 12:51 pm

This is the focus of the Democrat destabilization plan from its very inception. Private retirement plans undercut Socialist Security. The ability of private individuals to finance their own healthcare and retirement is a roadblock to government control of its “clients”. Just ask SS and Medicare. They will merrily tell you that forcing more people to become their “clients” will increase the number of “clients” they have. You have no right to not be forced to become a “client” of Medicare and SSocialism. Just ask them. They will merrily ‘splain it all to you.


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2Hotel9 on October 7, 2008 at 01:56 pm
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OK, I don’ think there are any sides in this mess that don’t have their hands dirty...I was still trying to get some solid numbers as to what percent of enforced, minority borrowing was in default, when I stumbled across an interesting article...you can check it our in it’s entirety here:  http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/080928_rove.htm
or just see this excerpt:

As part of this plan, George W. Bush made several speeches rallying enthusiasm for his October 15, 2002 White House Conference on Increasing Minority Homeownership. For instance, there was his classic Bushian effort on June 18, 2002:

“The goal is, everybody who wants to own a home has got a shot at doing so. The problem is we have what we call a homeownership gap in America. Three-quarters of Anglos own their homes, and yet less than 50 percent of African Americans and Hispanics own homes. … So I’ve set this goal for the country. We want 5.5 million more homeowners by 2010—million more minority homeowners by 2010. (Applause.) … “

The five and a half million marginal minority homeowners that Bush bunglingly called for is a big number. At a mortgage of, say, $127,000 each, that would add up to, let me check my calculator, oh…

$700 billion—the size of the current bailout. Well, whaddaya know …


Everyone had there political reasoning for adding to this mess...Not exclusively one side, not the other....Now the question is:  What can we, as a nation, do to fix it and ensure that the mistakes are not repeated?  I’ve slid in the ditch before, and getting mad at the driver and blaming him didn’t get me back on the road any sooner…
Old&InTheWay on October 7, 2008 at 02:55 pm

And another leftard suckpuppet heard from. Here is a hint, leftard, next time don’t put the word"Bushian" in your comment, then people might actually buy your line of shit.


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2Hotel9 on October 7, 2008 at 03:05 pm
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well, I didn’t think I put it in my comment, just a quote from the article I stumbled across...that’s the nature of a quote, is it not? Not the author’s words, you are reiterating another?  But anyways...I guess I was disappointed in your response, I think calling other citizens names is not what our country needs right now, that’s why I threw out the hitting the ditch analogy....

Old&InTheWay on October 7, 2008 at 05:39 pm

Fire for effect, all tubes.

Your talkingpoints got you busted, now you are screeching. Good job, buddy!


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2Hotel9 on October 8, 2008 at 03:26 am
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Got me busted? As a......???  Concerned citizen? And your response labels you as....what?

Old&InTheWay on October 8, 2008 at 04:37 pm

Old&InTheWay
Nice name. Hippy bluegrass eh? I got a CD or two of that kicking around.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on October 8, 2008 at 04:43 pm

That must suck for people who have pension funds. Heh. Maybe we can get the Eskimos to send us down some pieces of ice to float the old people away on.

We all know who voted for Bush & we all know this isn’t purely the Democrats fault, no matter how much all you hardliners screech that it is.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on October 8, 2008 at 04:48 pm

So, your position is that W coerced Democrats into systematically stripping regulatory controls off the mortgage, banking, and finance industry beginning in 1964. Wow, that is some powerful juju man right there. Worked a grift that was 24 years long. And you say W is stupid because,,,,,?


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2Hotel9 on October 8, 2008 at 05:33 pm
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I never said he was in my quote, I just offered a link that I thought might have showed many sides had their political motivations for creating this mess.  Not one or the other exclusively.  Beyond that, judging from your reactions, I have nothing more to offer you other than to say click on the link, read it, and decide for yourself on it’s authenticity.  It’s our rights as citizens to become informed and make decisions for ourselves.

Old&InTheWay on October 8, 2008 at 06:24 pm

Democrats created this “problem” step by step, systematically over the last 4 decades. Pretending otherwise is simply defending the guilty parties. The guilty parties in the Democrat Party.


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2Hotel9 on October 9, 2008 at 03:20 am
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>>And another leftard suckpuppet heard from. Here is a hint, leftard, next time don’t put the word"Bushian" in your comment, then people might actually buy your line of shit.
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Bushtard! Bushian bushian bushian

stop all the b.s. bushtard.

leftard, rightard - belongs to the same master.

get your head out from your bush-arse man

Ass-Cat on October 24, 2008 at 07:06 pm

And yet another leftarded moron reveals it’s self. Too fucking funny.


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2Hotel9 on October 25, 2008 at 02:23 pm
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