American Attitudes About Gay Marriage Continue To Shift

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A couple of data points this weekend indicating that opposition to gay marriage will, for Republicans, continue to become a political loser.

First, a CBS poll shows 51% support among Americans for gay marriage, but more interesting than the slim majority of support overall is the fact that younger Americans support gay marriage overwhelmingly.

The American public’s views on allowing same-sex couples to marry are the same as they were in September, but support for same-sex marriage has risen since the spring and summer of this year.

There is a generational divide on this issue. Young Americans (those ages 18-29) are some of the strongest proponents of allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry. Seventy-two percent of them support it, as do a majority –albeit a smaller one– of Americans ages 30-44. However, support for same-sex marriage drops to 44 percent among those who are age 45-64 and even further to just a third of Americans age 65 and over. In fact, 56 percent of seniors oppose permitting same-sex couples to marry.

The CBS News Poll also finds more women (53 percent) than men (48 percent) think same-sex marriage should be legal.

These younger voters are going to become older voters, and their views on gay marriage aren’t likely to shift much. Opposition to gay marriage is likely to die out as older generations die out. It’s time for Republicans to embrace the future, especially when supporting gay marriage (or, at least, leaving marriage to be an issue for families and churches and other private social institutions) goes hand-in-hand with the limited government philosophy.

It’s one thing to believe homosexuality is immoral. It’s quite another to support imposing that moral view through government policy.

Meanwhile, this weekend America’s most prestigious military academy was host to its first gay marriage:

The first same-sex wedding ceremony will be held Saturday at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point’s Cadet Chapel, USA Today reported.

Two women, Brenda Sue Fulton and Penelope Dara Gnesin, will exchange vows one year after the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy banning gays from serving openly in the military came to an end.

“We will be the first same-sex couple to wed at the Cadet Chapel at West Point,” Fulton told USA Today in an email Friday night. She is a veteran and the communications director of OutServe, an organization for LGBT military personnel.

This is progress, and it’s inevitable. Republicans can either get out of the way, or let this issue continue to cost them elections.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • philipgray

    Wow….surprise…surprise….we have enough moderats destroying our party, lets just throw in the fa%gots are ok crowd….
    Little piece….72-83 percent of pedophiles who rape kids are gay….yes gay….you know that term that people use to say for a person who was happy….
    guess I am not happy, we had a fa#got pedophile in Hankinson raped and sodomized a few kids in the area….one of them decided to put a shotgun in their mouth..I knew him…
    The fa#got lovers out there want to make fa#gots into a normal sphere of society….let them explain the FACTS that sociologist and psychiartrist, and counselors that I have spoke to regarding fag$ots and their penchant for “deviant sexual behavior”
    I will throw the stone at the glass house….You want to normalize fa^got behavior go ahead….I am simply expressing, of which I could go on forever, the fact that it is not normal behavior….
    Screw what polls say….we have seen what happened to our country in the last election…you think that majority dictates what is right?
    Homosexual behavior is not normal…no matter how you say it…
    Let the homosexual bigots come crying again….they always will

    • baby cakes

      you sound like a confused male about your sexuality. You need counseling for your homo thoughts. Brownies need to be eaten not Cub scouts. Freak

  • Sherry Gray

    The Republican party is full of Gays, my own husband is a homosexual as I caught him in a sexual act with an old military buddy of his.

    • philipgray

      Give me a an address. phone number…anything….if I ever find out who the heck you are I will rip your heart out while you are still alive….you got that bastard?
      screw ROB…he allows this …I will not …I will have my old military buddies figure out what your IP is….I will find you bastard…last fricking time someone insults my wive dead bastard

      • Neiman

        ROB – this contributor has crossed the line and is threatening lives. I have never asked anyone to be banned, but surely threatening lives is just cause.

      • sbark

        You do realize this is exactly the response he was looking for……
        Go back and think thru how Palin, C.Thomas and even GW handled the intense Lies about them, attacks on their kids etc…….they pretty much ignore them.
        It is who and what the Left is in this country…in most other societies they simply resort to violence, but give it time here, it’ll come.

    • philipgray

      You allow this crap ROB….I know you as well…I am not threatening you…but I WILL FIND THIS GUYS IP….this is a disgrace….have had enough….

  • kevindf

    Who is going to be forced to pay for all these new “rights?”

    • Davo

      Historically, the father of the bride has shouldered most of the wedding costs; however, that trend has been shifting over time towards the wedding participants paying for a larger share of the wedding costs.

  • Clarence A. Herz

    Hey I forgot, but what is Heidi’s wife’s name?

    • tomorrowclear

      Quite the fine-looking family you got there, Clarence. Very photogenic. I haven’t seen that many handsome faces since I visited a burn unit. I’d certainly be casting stones with a brood like that.

      BTW, may I say that you look marvelous in a wifebeater shirt?

  • Neiman

    Yes, attitudes about gays and gay marriage is, shall we say – evolving, led by the Hippie generation of free love and no rules, now grown up and their children whom they have indoctrinated into their moral anarchy. Yes, gay marriage may well in the next few years become the law of the land and I dare say, Christianity having switched places with them, having to have faith in the closet lest they be persecuted.

    Yet, if 99.9999% of the world say homosexuality is normal and gay marriage a right, and ignore the destruction it brings upon all flesh, it will remain, those facts notwithstanding, a grievous sin against their own bodies, a sin against their partners, a sin against their children, a sin against society and worst of all a most grievous sin against God. Though all Christians would pray it not be so and that many will see their folly and turn to God, the Bible tells that when this world, as it is rapidly doing, is engulfed in sin and revelry as were the children of Israel at the foot of the mountain of God, then suddenly great terrors will come upon the whole earth as God pours out His Wrath against all flesh.

    As that End Times Judgment falls and all people seek to hide in fear of God, only the tiniest , most minute fraction will repent and find God and those thoughts give me no pleasure, though they are as sure as the Sun will rise tomorrow.

    • $8194357

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXAqoZuYvyA

      Luke 23:32-34
      New King James Version (NKJV)

      32 There were also two others, criminals, led with Him to be put to death.

      33 And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left.

      34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”[a]

      And they divided His garments and cast lots.

    • Guest

      Thank you for your numerous posts which undermine any semblance of credibility SAB or conservatives on this site may have. This wasn’t as good as the humans hunting dinosaurs to extinction post, but keep it up!

      • Neiman

        Actually, I never said anything about humans hunting animals to extinction. So, as usual your are in grave error.

        • Realitybasedbrc

          Oh, so you didn’t say this then?

          “While the Bible does not discuss the issue, dinosaurs likely died out sometime after the flood due to a combination of dramatic environmental shifts and the fact that they were relentlessly hunted to extinction by man.”

          As usual, you are full of it.

          • Neiman

            I love it when you make a fool of yourself with your lies. I believe that line was in the parts of the story I copied, not in my personal comments.

            I love it when you choose Sundays to crawl out of your pit in hell.

          • Realitybasedbrc

            Oh, so you don’t agree with those comments then? Did you not personally post that ridiculous bullshit?

            Sunday is just another day. There is nothing special whatsoever about it.

            And living here and now with the likes of you is already a type of hell. I don’t need your cult to tell me it’s special.

            Is it me, or are you more of an insufferable prick than usual lately? Must be picking up where big180 left off.

          • Neiman

            I agree that the earth is much, much younger than scientists believe, that dinosaurs roamed the earth during the early centuries and while I do not know how/why and neither do scientists, the dinosaurs disappeared. Maybe the flood, but that is just a guess.

            Sunday is the day the faithful have set aside to worship the Lord and since we are still a predominately, by profession, a Christian country, that makes it special to hundreds of millions and you wrong.

            If you had any idea what hell is like, you would not make that comparison and in Heaven the children of God will be made perfect in Christ.

            It is your self loathing, your Christ hatred and your miserable personality that make you think the way you do.

          • tomorrowclear

            What would you peg it at, Einstein? 10000 years? 5000 years? 500 years?

            Is there any bit of nonsense you don’t believe from your good book? Talking snakes? A guy swallowed by a “great fish?”

            Since God has planned all this, why do you think God chose me to be here ridiculing your childish beliefs about the origins of the natural world?

          • Neiman

            You are here because by the free will choice God gave you, you rejected His Salvation and chose to become an enemy of Christ.

            There is no nonsense in the Bible and I believe every word.

          • Realitybasedbrc

            Wow. I had no idea that you were a geologist. Oh wait- you aren’t. You’re a bible thumper clinging to fiction. Sad really.

            We are not now, nor were we ever, a christian nation. We were a nation with christians in it, but that’s an entirely different story. I’m sorry that reality, once again, refutes you.

            According to your cult, all of us who choose not to believe in your particular flavor of brainwashing are doomed to hell. More of that christian love on display. This presumably would include the billions of people who lived before your cult was invented, people who worship any other religion (because out if the literally thousands out there, yours is OBVIOUSLY the only right one), or even other favors of your so-called christianity. Not to mention those of us who have read your books, seen your “evidence” and laughed ourselves silly at the rubes (such as yourself) who believe that bullshit.

            Your numbers are dropping. Not due to a lack of morality or end-times prophesying, but because more and more people are awakening to the hatred

          • tomorrowclear

            You’ve never had a prayer answered in your entire life. Not a one.

          • Neiman

            Oh yes I have, so many I cannot count them all and several of them directly saved my life.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Morons like those two above have never accomplished anything in life, therefore wouldn’t even know what to be thankful for. Besides, their only God and Savior lives in DC. Makes you wonder, do they pray to the great Bamster Messiah when life takes a turn on them?

            Now THAT’S pathetic.

          • Neiman

            Their obsession with me, versus you or 7Point62 that, are both bold about your faith, I find very interesting. Anyway, . . .

            Obama is such a strong imitation of the antichrist, it is amazing. I am not calling Obama that man of evil, but in him and the blind adoration of his followers, how he has deluded over half the country, so far many of them looking at him as their Lord and Savior, even the Muslims seeing him as the Islamic Messiah, I can see in him how easily the antichrist will come to power and be worshipped. His is another false Christ we were warned would come into the world and he is the image of the prince of hell.

          • Realitybasedbrc

            Old pal, the answer is simple. Mr. Amber douche only pops up occasionally, and that’s to deliver a non-sequitur of a line or two and then he goes away, typically humbled by reality.

            Gun nutter isn’t worth responding to because he would clearly have the same conversation with an empty room as he would a full one. None of his posts are coherent or on topic. He evidently found a bible online that he can copy from and just looks for similar nonsense to post. Plus, he rambles nonsense, then says “huh” as if he just made a point.

            You on the other hand, are the king of being obtuse and false righteousness. You pass judgement on people, promote hatred and generally lose your shit when shown contradictory facts (which the rest of us call “reality”). It’s quite entertaining.

            Then, when obvious logical fallacies you make are easily (and repeatedly!) illustrated, you somehow claim victory.

            Then, you have the gall, the unmitigated nerve, to say that anyone who doesn’t believe as you do has no morality. Religion didn’t invent morality. It existed for THOUSANDS of years before your cult was founded. The fact that you don’t recognize this reality is both depressing (for you) and endlessly entertaining (for the rest of us).

            Thanks for playing, old pal!

          • Realitybasedbrc

            Dear mr. Amber douche-

            You know literally nothing about me except that I don’t believe your ridiculous dogma.

            I don’t pray to Obama. And I’m far from his biggest fan. But he’s clearly a better choice than your kolob knight was.

            You may now go back to continuing to be irrelevant.

            Thanks for playing.

          • Guest

            Says the fat pathetic b*tch whose posts contain no insight and only insults. What a fulfilling life you must have to sit online all day making pointless, shameful comments.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Whew! We were worried you’d fallen into the crack of the ass of your gay-fag boyfriend, or perhaps got picked up for sodomizing a 10 year old? Oh so hard to tell with degenerates such as yourself! Welcome back troglodyte… revel in your hypocrisy!

          • borborygmi

            I thought the Sabbath was Sat.

          • Neiman

            Christians do not observe the Sabbath, it was only for the Jews; for Christians they are to serve every day alike unto the Lord.

          • borborygmi

            as should any one of a spiritual nature. ”

            I love it when you choose Sundays to crawl out of your pit in hell.
            So it really doesn’t matter that something is written on Sun

          • Neiman

            Very good Gay Bob, use my words, because having no intellect, you have none of your own.

            Your last sentence is incomprehensible, which proves my point about your lack of intelligence.

          • realitybasedbrc

            you’re really too stupid to see when you directly contradict yourself?

            pathetic.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            It’s one of Neiman’s most adorable character flaws.
            Poor fella, bless his heart.

          • Neiman

            Well you are just generally stupid about everything.

            PATHETIC

          • Dave

            Wow. You guys are ALL pathetic. Do you ever sleep, or is it just so damn important to get the last word in?

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Neiman 35
            minutes ago in reply to robert108

            I am not interested in smacking anyone down, only engaging in civil, rational debates for my own better understanding and perhaps on occasion benefit someone else. I would rather encourage others in the right direction, not smack anyone down.

          • http://realitybasedbob.sayanythingblog.com/ realitybasedbob

            Neiman 19 minutes ago in reply to

            Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            First, a man that brags about his intellectual superiority over others has a such serious emotional problem with his self-image that, he must boast about himself, to convince himself.

      • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

        Why would you think Neiman speaks for this site? He doesn’t even agree with me on this issue

        • tomorrowclear

          Do you ever give pause when having to appeal to imbeciles like Neiman in order to get the candidates you both favor elected? Is it ever embarrassing for you? It would embarrass me.

    • borborygmi

      Yes, attitudes about gays and gay marriage is, shall we say – evolving, led by the Hippie generation of free love and no rules, now grown up and their children whom they have indoctrinated into their moral anarchy…… Lets see well obviously the “Hippie generation” weren’t gay otherwise there would be no children, also no doubt to their free love they were procreating machines which simply outnumbered the missionary position sex is only to procreate and it is kind of icky anyway social conservatives… Simply a numbers game.

      • Neiman

        The Hippie generation were the driving force behind the sexual revolution, they changed their attitudes to sex not being in marriage only and permitting deviant sorts of sex and they taught those antichristian, immoral values to their children that are leading the country today.

        • borborygmi

          During all this time the Conservative Parents weren’t doing anything?

  • sbark

    so…..can the GOP find a gay hispanic that beleives in the legalization of drugs to run for President……..is there a Juan Paul?

  • philipgray

    Guess I ticked off the fa#got crowd of libs again…where is Rob on this…yes we all know…he supports homosexual rights….Rob…when old vets have had enough with personal insults about their wife…and decide to hunt down people who allow posting by people who are insulting my his wives name …and kill the bastards dead…
    will you then say it was ok?
    just curious….you take the posting of my wifes name down by a fictitious character or someone will pay..period…
    ROB…you allow this to happen….I will take names before I strike….period…

    • liberal 1

      Grow up you psycho

    • henry a

      did you just threaten to kill someone? that is a felony in ND

  • philipgray

    Bastards leave insults about me regarding using my wife’s name…
    ROB allows this…continuing support of homosexual rights….screw ROB and his moderates….
    He allows people to usurp people’s name on his blog and think it is ok…
    It is not….Rob…
    see you in about 18 months for the next election cycle…I will point out what you allow on your blog and the personal attacks on my wife’s name, who has no say in my views, to be allowed and posted
    What a ultimate loser……
    My lawyer has been contacted ROB….some of us can afford it…
    You allow people to post fictitious title and besmeerch people “by name” and allow this…
    We will see where this goes….Call me….I tried months ago to stop this…yet you allow it…

  • philipgray

    Forget it ROB….I am absolutely SICK of wasting my time with your site….gave it a few weeks of..and a couple comments and people are allowed to use actual names of people who are REAL to make false comments…
    ROB you allow anything goes on your website ….just like people like you allow homosexuals to be the norm dude….
    You should be ashamed….but from what I have seen here…it will NEVER change….
    Yes …my lawyer has been contacted…and yes..if you want to expose a post traumatic vet for over venting about a guy’s throat…you are right in that…
    I am sorry for that…..but that is what you want….
    You want people to get emotional I guess….I was stupid in my comments and regret that..
    I would hope if you had any sense of decency you would remove the comments by the person IMPERSONATING my wife sherrygray.
    It was VERY upsetting to me, and for that I am sorry…
    tell you what ROB< ask someother vet how they would feel about someone impersonating their wife on a blog?
    Would it upset them?
    How about a severely disabled PTSD vet with depressionary symptoms when their wife was a anchor when they wanted to kill themselves multiple times since their war?
    You and your allowed filth sadden me….I try to make points at times, but I have had enough…
    You allow these things with no conscious.like a atheist on steriods…I can promise this..never a post again….I will see you in 2014 though…

    • two_amber_lamps

      You can abandon this blog and go elsewhere, but you will find the same thing. If you give leftists the power to enrage you they’ll make a fool out of you every time.

      Now perhaps you understand why we don’t use real names…

      • Neiman

        He is threatening lives below, he should be banned. Read his statement:

        Give me a an address. phone number…anything….if I ever find out who the heck you are I will rip your heart out while you are still alive….you got that bastard? screw ROB…he allows this …I will not …I will have my old military buddies figure out what your IP is….I will find you bastard…last fricking time someone insults my wive dead bastard

        • two_amber_lamps

          Agree 100% that’s some pretty idiotic crap and there’s no place for it here.

          What’s shameful is he allowed the idiot-leftists to spool him up to the point that he lost all sensibility. When leftists are allowed to control the narrative and reduce one to sputtering rage, they’ve won unequivocally.

          I’m sure that makes Saul Alinsky smile in his little cauldron in hell.

          Further it’s rather childish to hold Rob responsible for the slanders of said idiots. Perhaps he should go back and delete some of it, but it’s his site. But we all know the rules and the repercussions of posting our opinions here, and anyone who’s spent any length of time here knows they better have some thick skin to suffer the mindless drivel of the hanniturds, ellinastys, and the host of other trolls that frequent this place.

          • Neiman

            He has been banned by Rob.

  • Sherry Gray

    I am pro gay marriage, pro Heidi, pro Obama and my husband agrees with me ;) see he is not crazy!

  • Sherry Gray

    Hide the guns, bow & arrows as there is a psycho on the blog

  • sbark

    Ironic………..history shows that the USSR fell apart as much to internal moral decay, vrs communist economics or a push by Reagans StarWars.
    but inside the USA, with debt piling up by the trillions, with as much due to moral decay in some form or other be it coveting, perpetual dependency, ponzi schemes, theft
    ….we have an atheist pushing more moral decay, and further split up into demographic classes.. even as we can sit back and try to preven history repeating itself.
    The LGBT received tolerance, political affirmation via govt force is just the next step, after that the push for pediofile tolerance is already in the grass roots stage —

    • Guest

      The USSR fell apart because of political unrest from satellite countries and its stagnating economy, which are wholly removed from issues of morality. Moreover the USSR was not in any sense friendly to homosexuality; gays were sent to and died in the thousands to the gulags.

      • sbark

        Spend some time on page 3……..the masses by 1980’s morally rejected the lies and propaganda given to them by USSR’s version of Liberalism…..

        from article……..
        Democratization, Gorbachev declared, was “not a slogan but the essence of perestroika.” Many years later he told interviewers:

        The Soviet model was defeated not only on the economic and social levels; it was defeated on a cultural level. Our society, our people, the most educated, the most intellectual, rejected that model on the cultural level because it does not respect the man, oppresses him spiritually and politically.
        http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/06/20/everything_you_think_you_know_about_the_collapse_of_the_soviet_union_is_wrong?page=0,2

        • Guest

          Looks like it also cites economic and political problems (which the article and quote conflates with culture), so it supports my position. Moreover nothing in the article support the claim it was a result of moral failings or in any way undermines the fact the USSR targeted gays for persecution and death.

          • sbark

            ……like I said in my 1st post …….it fell apart as much to moral decay as to economic……..you stated it was totallly economic.
            Keep going thru life unemcumbered with facts or knowledge, the load is lighter and it might make you feel good—which is an imperative for a Liberal—

          • Guest

            I said it was economic and political, the best you could do was giving an article saying it was part cultural and uses a definition of culture that includes political facets. You totally ignored the point about gays being killed in the USSR which wholly counters your argument against gay tolerance in the US by clinging to moral decay in the USSR as a reason for its downfall . You ignore all points destroying your argument, the load is lighter and that makes you feel good, which imperative for a conservatard. Derp.

          • sbark

            If a leftist wont believe Gorbachev…….who else would he beleive
            Maybe its Marx only these days, closely followed by stalin or Mao?

          • camsaure

            Point is; either way it was proven not to work.. It failed social and economically.

      • camsaure

        Are you trying to say that otherwise socialism would have worked?

      • Neiman

        You are wrong, there were many contributing causes, like ancient Rome & Greece, but at its core it was moral decay and godlessness and the same thing is destroying us.

        • Guest

          In case you didn’t realize it, we trace our origins to Rome and Greece and Western culture is predominant in today’s world despite ‘moral decay and godlessness.” If that is truly what determines a country’s prosperity, it’s curious that the most religious countries in the world are located mostly in South America and Africa are also the poorest and weakest. Surely Uganda, which is about to start executing gays because of Christian beliefs, is poised to make a huge comeback. You heard it hear first guys, Neiman predicts Uganda will be the world’s next superpower!! Keep ‘em coming Neiman, every post you make conservatives look worse and worse.

          • Neiman

            All lies as usual.

            I said nothing about religion, that is your false construct.

            I predicated my words about Uganda based on the sincerity of the repentance and commitment to Christ, which I cannot know, as to date they are only words without action. So, I only said if . . . then . . . I also said executing gays was not Christlike, but considering their backward people, I understand their misplaced zeal and most grievous error in this matter.

            We were the most power and most prosperous nation in all word history and are now going in the tank because you Leftists turned your back on the Nature’s God our Founders honored and since then have undermined every moral value to satisfy your own lusts. We are reapi9ng what you godless liberal sowed for America and the seeds were evil.

          • Realitybasedbrc

            *cough* BULLSHIT! *cough*

          • Neiman

            Thank you for so accurately describing yourself.

          • Guest

            All lies as usual. You first claim that you said nothing about religion, and than proceed to judge Uganda’s morality based on it’s commitment to Christianity You even condone the killing of people who’s only crime is loving another human as misplaced zeal. You acknowledge that we are the most prosperous nation in the world but than complain about godless liberal of sowing its defeat, despite the fact that secular populism is as old as the republic. If you’re so certain we’re destined for defeat, please purchase a plain ticket to Uganda so those in the United States no longer have to contend with your idiocy.

          • Neiman

            You just cannot tell the truth ever, can you?

            “judge Uganda’s morality based on it’s commitment to Christianity.” PREDICATED ON WHAT? If it was genuine and that included their future actions.

            I never condoned Uganda killing gays, I said it was NOT Christlike. You liberals cannot deal with understanding weakness and God’s mercy for our failures.

            I said we were the most prosperous and most powerful in history, not any longer, as we are the greatest debtor nation and under Mahdi Obama and the forced 500 billion in defense cutbacks, rapidly becoming a paper tiger.

            I plan on God’s protection and being with Him before judgment comes on this world and this godless nation. Plus, my family on both sides have defended this nation since the Revolutionary War, so I think I have more right here than an atheist and America hater like you.

          • Realitybasedbrc

            Well, there it is. Atheists have no place in your narrow, hate-filled and backwards world.

            You’re full of shit.

            Ps. Thanks for your service.

            Pps. You’re still totally full of shit.

          • Neiman

            Hate filled is your subjective opinion and not only is it wrong and my world view just the opposite, I would suggest you are the one with all the anger and hate in our discussions.

            To answer your question, no atheists have no place there, nor does anyone outside of Christ, nit because those are my standards, but because God says only the righteous will inherit eternal life. He offered you a free salvation, if you reject it – blame yourself.

            Saying someone is full of shit says more about your defective psychological makeup, not mine.

          • realitybasedbrc

            no. hate-filled is your reality. you crusade against illusory moral decay while preaching hatred against fellow man. fellow Americans, no less.

            and you’re right in one regard- i am angry. angry that religious bigots have run rampant in this country for so long that when we stand up against them and fight for what is just and right we’re the ones called defective and delusional- not the people who believe in sky wizards and adult fairy tales. it’s pathetic. but the tides are turning. common sense and reason are bedeviling your cult at every turn.

            and don’t go babbling nonsense about this being prophesized- we both know that’s total bullshit. your kind has been preaching end-times foolishness since your cult was first made up 2000 years ago. it’s used as a carrot to keep the easily duped (that’s you) in line. does the name harold camping ring a bell? he was just as sure as you are that he knew when jeebus would return. it’s a pathetic sham.

            i offer you reality. reality in this life, because the promise of eternal life is a ridiculous falsehood. wake up. enjoy this life while you can instead of preparing for a fictional afterlife.

            saying someone is full of shit when they are clearly full of shit is appropriate. which is why you’ll continue to hear it.

            my psychological makeup is just fine. i interact with reality. you should try it sometime.

            thanks for playing, old pal!

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            What do you mean God’s mercy for our failures? Are you suggesting that God condones the murder of gays, because these Ugandan’s have misplaced passion for living the bible, and that these people will be forgiven?

          • Neiman

            Did King David find mercy after ordering Bathsheba’s husband to the front lines to die so David could have Bathsheba or not? After repentance he did find mercy, even though he still suffered discipline under the hand of God for His disobedience in troubling his own house with his own son (Absalom) who sought to overthrow him. Yet, despite it all God said David was a man after His own heart, He promised to never lie to David (although God does not lie) and kept His promise in continuing the line of David through the Messiah.

            So, yes, while not as simple, as you, a non-Christian, would like to put it, King David and Moses and Paul, all guilty of murder, upon repentance they all found God’s Grace. Although most such men do not, as their repentance is not sincere. You should try repentance some time and seeking Jesus as your Savior and even one like you can find mercy with God for your 50 million murders.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So in your mind God condones the murder of Gays because the Ugandans can repent and enter Heaven.

          • Neiman

            I said no such thing. Did those people receive mercy or not?

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            So the Ugandans who murder gays will go to Heaven? Let’s hear your understanding, Neiman.

          • Neiman

            Why do you liberals, you Christ haters refuse to answer any questions?

            1. Were Moses, King David and Paul guilty of murdering a fellow Jew (Paul an accessory) or not?
            2. Were all three men, when confronted by God, sincerely repentant (Meaning agreeing with God it is a sin and a sincere commitment to turn from those sins)?
            3. After repentance and a changed life, did they benefit from God’s Mercy?

            4. If in ignorance, due to excess zeal and spiritual immaturity, Uganda does see homosexuality as a capital crime and follow through; yet, are later awakened to their grievous error, sincerely repent and change direction, why won’t they see God’s mercy too?

            Honest answers will answer your question above.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            What would you know of an honest answer? I just wanted to make sure that you understood that when gays repent, sincerely, they can receive God’s mercy. So there really is no need for you to go about trouncing those who don’t harass them, insult them and bring them to the brink of suicide by condemning them to Hell, as you do. All those women, who for health reasons are forced to abort their babies will also be granted mercy, if they sincerely repent.

            So you can kindly STFU from here on out with your religious bigotry.

          • Neiman

            Repentance involves a changed heart, a turning away from sin as well as agreeing with God it is sin. They cannot repent and continue in their sins and be saved, as that repentance could not have been genuine. It is like saying forgive me and by the way, I’ll keep doing it anyway.

            Do you condemn homosexuality and abortion as sins unto spiritual death and call for all involved to repent and seek Christ? If not, then you are lying to yourself and to them and worse than a fool. You never have called these things sins and called for anyone involved to stop their sins and to repent. Of course, if I am not mistaken you brag about your many fornications outside of marriage, which is likewise sin and shows a deluded mind

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            10x. I believe Flamer, one of his idols that he worships, is planning his exit to Socialist/Communist South America, where he can afford the cheap healthcare he’s going to need.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You know nothing of the Founders. That’s evident by your words.

          • Neiman

            In our National Charter, approved by our Founding Fathers, they state:

            “Whenin the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”

            Gee, I guess you better study the Founding Fathers, I have.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            In 1779 Jefferson proposed “The Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom”, which was adopted in 1786. Its goal was complete separation of church and state; it declared the opinions of men to be beyond the jurisdiction of the civil magistrate. He asserted that the mind is not subject to coercion, that civil rights have no dependence on religious opinions, and that the opinions of men are not the concern of civil government.

            This became one of the American charters of freedom. This elevated
            declaration of the freedom of the mind was hailed in Europe as “an
            example of legislative wisdom and liberality never before known”.[26]

          • Guest

            Additionally, the treaty of tripoli, which many of the most influential founding fathers played a part in, stated “The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”

          • Neiman

            He put Nature’s God in the Declaration of Independence and in the Northwest Treaty encouraged every state to teach the Christian Bible in all their schools and makes many, many statements in support of the Christian faith. When you deliberately omit those statements from Jefferson, you are deliberately painting a false picture to support your wown hatred of Christ and the Church.

          • Realitybasedbrc

            “Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.”
            -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

            As always, old pal, spot on.

            Thanks for playing.

          • Neiman

            “The Bible is the cornerstone of liberty. A student’s perusal of the
            sacred volume will make him a better citizen, a better father, a better
            husband.” – Thomas Jefferson

            “Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed the
            conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?” – Thomas Jefferson

            I can give you many more quotes by Jefferson in his support of the Christian faith, his only real objection being a priestly class that defiled the faith.

            Not Jefferson below, but the truth nonetheless:

            “Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” – John Adams

            I think Adams was a Founding Father as well.

            Him too –
            “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this – that it
            connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government
            with the principles of Christianity.” – John Quincy Adams

            You liberals would revise history and rid this nation of Nature’s God and that to your own peril, we are imploding because you liberals and your hatred of Christ.

          • Guest

            LOL. Way to copy and paste from religious websites. Your first Jefferson quote is a complete fabrication that appears nowhere in Jefferson’s writings but if often attributed to him by religious fundamentalists. Your second quote is in no sense an endorsement of religion by Jefferson, even though it’s edited to look like one byt confusing Jefferson’s terminology. In the same sense that somebody exclaiming “Thank God for Spanx” does not necessarily reflect attribution of spandex underwear to divine intervention, Jefferson’s “gift from God” simply speaks of unassalability of natural law. The rest of the quote is, “Commerce between master and slave is despotism. Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free. Establish a law for educating the common people. This it is the business of the state and on a general plan.” Jefferson was clearly referring to the inevitability of liberty. His uses of theistic terminology is to underscore it inevitability, not to attribute its source to religion. While a tenable argument might be made for a handful of other founding fathers, you can’t for Jefferson, who said, “I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion… or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.”

          • realitybasedbrc

            now you’ve gone and done it. presenting facts and reality to neiman is certain to trigger a backlash of ridiculousness.

            he doesn’t seem to understand that no one is preventing him from believing his fiction, but they’re fighting against his cult demanding that everyone complies with it.

            he just doesn’t understand reality.

          • Neiman

            You are deliberately engaging in historical revisionism.

            Jefferson wrote the Northwest Treaty which set forth conditions for statehood and in it, in no uncertain terms he endorsed teaching of religion in all public schools for morality, which is necessary for liberty and to thrive. (article 3)

            “God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event.”
            –Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

            “I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.”
            –The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.

            The wall of separation only occurred in that single letter to the Danbury Baptists as they threatened to oppose his presidency, as they were under the impression he would establish an official state Christian Denomination. That is the sole reference. IT does not occur, not even a hint in the First Amendment.

            You Christ hating liberals seize upon Jefferson’s dislike for the priesthood and the faults of the Christian Church, as him having a hatred of Christianity, which precepts he honored.

            ” “Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus.” Thomas Jefferson

            As he was a deist and disliked religion and priests, you liberals think he was the only Founding Father, but there were many and almost all of them, even deists among them, spoke eloquently about the Christian Faith:

            “While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.”

            –The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.

            “The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”

            –Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

            “Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. … Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us.”

            –History of the United States of America, Vol. II, p. 229. John Hancock

            The Christian and only Christian prayers to start every session of Congress from our beginning, until you liberals kicked God out of this nation,and before most official acts of the government, the words of Christ on most, if not all of our buildings and monuments, including the Supreme Court and no battles against such expressions in every state and local government, all testify that you are wrong,

            I will not play competing quotes, I do not fear I can beat you down with the many at my disposal, but I do not have time for your historical revisionism and your attacks on Christ, the Christian faith and our Christian foundations. You will answer to God, not me.

          • Guest

            I see you don’t deny the lie about your first quote of Jeffersons and instead simply copy and paste other quotes in a vain attempt to convince yourself that you’re correct. The other quotes you provide were debunked the in the first post. The ‘God who gave us Liberty’ quote was is often used to make some sort of point with regards to Jefferson’s religious beliefs–usually to claim that Jefferson was a orthodox Christian. However, you fail to explain that the quotation comes from a section of Notes on The State of Virginia in which Jefferson was discussing slavery in Virginia and has nothing to do with Jefferson’s religious beliefs. In the same way that somebody says “Thank God for Friday” a person invokes religious terminology to underscore the importance of the statement, Jefferson uses similar terminology to underscore the inevitably of liberty. Jefferson’s disdain for Christianty extended far beyond the priesthood and to it’s core, contrary to your claim.

            “Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.” Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

            he whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
            – Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

            Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
            – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

            It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it Revelations, and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.
            – Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825

            I take comfort in the fact that you should burn in hell for spreading your meritless lies about Jefferson.

          • Neiman

            You Christ hating liberals cannot overcome the fact the official words/actions of our nation from its founding until long after our founding fathers were long deal prove I am right, they did not believe in or practice the separation by hostility that you atheists demand. They were mostly all Christian and enshrined that faith in their prayers and in inscriptions on all public buildings and by official acts.

            You are simply WRONG.

          • realitybasedbrc

            well, if you go so far as to writ it with capital letters, then you must surely be RIGHT.

            your willful ignorance on this topic, as on so many others, is not surprising. your inability to recognize reality is a hallmark of dealing with you.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Amen. He has the knack for bringing down the collective IQ of SAB conservatives as well as diminishing the respect due to good Christians everywhere.

  • HG

    Rob, I’m a little confused by your position here. You said in another post that gov’t shouldn’t be involved in social issues. Then you commented that you believe your position to be a moral one. Now you post that republicans should get on board the gay marriage bandwagon.

    It appears you simply want your morality and political party to win on this issue while at the same time, you want the morality of conservatives ignored in gov’t and in your party.

    Sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too. You can’t credibly attack the influence of morality on social issues and gov’t while at the same time argue that your morality should influence social issues and your party should embrace it.

    • Neiman

      He wants the GOP to abandon these issues entirely, Rob is an amoral atheist.

      • HG

        I don’t think so. In this post he advocates the GOP embracing his “morality”.
        It appears he just wants conservatives to abandon social issues entirely and leave the social issues to his brand of morality.

        • $8194357

          His morality is the false secular ‘ethics’ of the ACLU.

    • $8194357

      False social justice secular morality is the law of the land HG..
      The moral high ground of deception has worked its ‘magic’ on many.
      America now adays is as the Navy says in its modern day propaganda
      for this brave new world in which we live:
      A GLOBAL force for good……
      With the whole (51% any how) country ‘indoctrinated’ and CiC
      all about muslim/communist global citizenship
      and false secular morality where it going to lead us?
      Elitist facist global tyrany, huh..
      Lenin said we capitalist Christians would give them the tools needed
      and commit sucide for the global agndas, huh.
      Where has this been prophesied for so long?

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I’m not adding that my morality influence anything. I’m saying get the government out of marriage.

      • HG

        Rob, you said on another thread that “banning gay marriage is immoral”.
        That is an admission.

  • Sherry Gray

    Gays Homosexuals are in society & the military as my husband is a closet homosexual who has issues with rage. Sadly he has a low IQ. His actions will disqualify him from all hunting privileges.

  • Scared blogger

    Should Rob do mental evaluations on bloggers before they post? Phillip seek help.

  • Thresherman

    Two Points. First before giving credence to the CBS poll, what methodology was used? Far be it for cBS to rig a poll in a desired direction, but the question needs to be asked before attaching too much credibility to it. Secondly, I would hesitate to assume that the political idealism that young people posess today will still be what the believe in the future. Marriage, having children, paying taxes and the other obilgations of adulthood tend to “evolve” their idealism into a more realistic and mature world view. Granted that this does not happen to all and those that refuse to mature are known as Liberals.

    • Davo

      How did paying property taxes lead you to conclude that gay people shouldn’t have the right to get married?

  • The Fighting Czech

    polling will always say what the sponsor of the poll wants it to say…..

  • jann

    You cannot “legislate” love… And allowing gay marriage will not in ANY way decrease or inhibit hetero couples from having families. Families are made up of people who love and care for one another, single, divorced, straight, gay…. and I remember my grandparents telling me about the same sex couples who raised kids after the war…. they were called Aunts, Uncles ….. and NO ONE cared about their sexuality. I don’t think God does either.

    • Neiman

      Show me in the Bible that God said He does not care if people are homosexual so I can believe like you do?

      That is not love, it is lust mixed sometimes with phileo (friendship) type love, not the selfless agape love that only comes from God.

      • Realitybasedbrc

        Prove to us that your bible is true.

        Good luck with that.

        • Neiman

          I have many times, I am not responsible for your ignorance.

          • Realitybasedbrc

            Funny. Here I was thinking that you were the one displaying an abundance of willful ignorance.

            As you typically do.

      • $34543430

        This is not the middle east, we do not legislate with our religion (especially on issues where no one is harmed)

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          The problem is that people like Neiman think their religion ought to be imposed on other. If not the specifics of the belief system, certainly the moral restraints.

          • Neiman

            Isn’t the changing of the law to allow Gay Marriage imposing your amoral and immoral beliefs on the rest of the country? Especially high jacking the Christian sacrament of marriage?

          • $34543430

            Unless you are being forced to marry someone of the same sex, then no. And marriage is not exclusive to Christians, unless you’d also like to ban atheists

          • Neiman

            It changes the definition of marriage and forces that definition on everyone and it is Christians that object to that change, as it causes marriage to have a wholly different meaning contrary to Christian teaching.

          • Guest

            It’s sad if you feel your marriage and it’s definition lose value because of how the government defines it. If people are allowed to marry fish, it wouldn’t change my personal bonds and relationships.

          • Neiman

            Perhaps the problem is that you have no core moral values, nothing you are willing to risk your fortunes, your sacred honor and your life to defend, because you fervently believe they are necessary for the peace, happiness and prosperity of future generations.

          • $34543430

            We still don’t legislate with religion.

          • Neiman

            All societies legislate moral values in order the keep you from exercising your liberty at my expense.

          • $34543430

            I’m not convinced it’s at your expense, other than maybe the expense of your comfort level.

          • Neiman

            That is because the victimizers (you) never feel their evil is at the expense of your victims, as you see yourselves as the center of all things.

          • $34543430

            How am I a victimizer (not that that is a word..)? Apparently being straight and not supporting gay marriage bans is victimizing..

          • $34543430

            Believe it or not, I have things to do so I ‘m just going to end with this: there are a lot of single issue voters out there (which isn’t a good thing, but they are instantly not going to vote for the GOP because of this), and the GOP is going to come to a point where they’ll realize that winning people over by responsible economic principles is more important (and successful) than pandering to the increasingly dwindling number of those who wish to have the government act as morality police. You may not like it, but it’s inevitable.

          • Neiman

            Your side absolutely will win the moral wars, God said you would, He told us that at this very hour in world history, those of you that are your own gods would turn the world upside down morally; and, all but a microscopic number would abandon God and serve the antichrist. So, yes, in that sense you will win and Christians will be almost completely silenced, the true Church and the Holy Spirit removed from this world that Satan may have his way for a season; but, I assure you that you will hate the outcome, as the judgments that fall on you will be more horrific than you could conjure up in your worst nightmares, and eternity will involve suffering that will make those judgments look like childs play.

            Should you be alive, you’ll have 3 1/2 years of immoral fun, but then Judgment.

            So, I agree with you, you and the world will wax colder and colder, engaging in every filthy lust your mind can create. I won’t be here to not care, until I and all believers return with Jesus.

          • Realitybasedbrc

            It’s great when a “christian” expresses his love for fellow man by wishing eternal damnation and hellfire on them.

            Of course, your religion, and yours alone of all the thousands throughout history, and the literally hundreds of denominations currently practicing in just this country, is the only true, correct one.

            Of course. Because that makes sense.

          • realitybasedbrc

            how about when you attempt to legislate your questionable morality at the expense of others (such as atheists or homosexuals, for example).

            your hypocrisy is thick on this topic.

          • borborygmi

            Why. Gays are getting married legally, right now. Do you look at your wife and feel your marriage is different, it isn’t as sacred as it once was? I don’t. Please bring forth evidence where Christians who are already married feel differently now that some gays are legally married. Bring forth a Christian Couple that wishes to divorce simply because gays are married>Bring forth a Christian couple that refuse to exchange vows because gays are getting married. Please I am waiting.

          • Neiman

            You are so often such a horses ass, creating a false argument and thinking yourself wise.

            The divorce rates ALWAYS soar after homosexuality is accepted, it makes marriage a joke, everything you liberals want to call marriage and family qualify. It destroys the family and harms children and society.

          • borborygmi

            Still didn’t answer the questions. Perhaps one at a time. Gays are getting married right now. Do you look at your wife and feel your marriage is different, it isn’t as sacred as it once was?

          • Neiman

            That is not the issue and you know it.

          • Neiman

            Look at the statistics with the acceptance of the evil of homosexuality, in every nation, divorce rates soar, marriage rates drop precipitously, alternative, ungodly alternative families abound and children suffer increased sexual abuse. It destroys the concept of marriage and family.

          • realitybasedbrc

            which christian marriage tradition are you discussing? the part about if you were to rape someone and pay her father 50 pieces of silver that she’s stuck with you for perpetuity? or the part about how it’s ok to take concubines in addition to a wife? or the part about how if a man marries a woman, he gets her property as well, which, of course, might include any slaves she has (because the bible is totally ok with slavery)?

            it is impossible for you to attempt to claim moral high ground when you’re on very shaky / fictitious ground to begin with.

            good try though, old pal!

          • Neiman

            Lies – there is no such Christian tradition, nor is it condoned. In matter of fact nothing you mentioned is in the New Testament. You totally struck out with your damnable lies.

        • Neiman

          We always have, until the liberals and Justice Hugo black changed all of that, every society regulates moral conduct to some degree. Your belief that no one is harmed is wholly subjective and demonstrably wrong concerning gay marriage.

          • realitybasedbrc

            as has undoubtedly been proved by the other first-world countries which have already approved gay marriage, right? canada is now a cesspool of equality, right?

            did i miss the notice on fox “news” which showcases how jesus came and smote those countries entirely?

            or are you, as always, demonstrably full of shit?

            i’m going with that last option, old pal. thanks for playing!

          • Neiman

            God is long-suffering, plenteous in mercy and He appeals to all that will, to come to His Salvation, but be assured if you die without Christ you will suffer without end and He will not fail to soon judge the whole earth for its great wickedness and it will be worse than even Stephen Kings worst nightmares.

      • borborygmi

        Funny how the Bible belt leads the Nation in Divorces. Lots of Love There.
        2% of the nation is going to stop the heterosexuals from marrying because the 2% can marry. Show me in the Constitution that says Heterosexual Marriage is Constitutional.

  • ndobserver

    Just as the military accepted gays among their ranks without disruption this last year, so will the Republican Party. Gays now serve openly in the military and that has been a smooth transition. When you have respected family members, neighbors and colleagues who are gay; or lesbian you come to accept them as they are. Not everyone has to be like us to have a good community. Republicans need to stop being he part of hate and anger, esp. on such issues as gays and immigrants.

  • Judy Morris

    The social conservatives and theocratic Nazis are killing the GOP. Gay marriage is a state issue and that’s right where it belongs. Government has no business even being in the marriage business and marriage should be nothing more than a private consensual contract between consenting adults. To deny a person their right to contract on issues involving their domestic choices is the equivalent of denying them a natural right.

  • Yacht7

    So Rob, you now also support marriage equality or you just think the republicans shouldn’t worry about the issue as much. Plus same-sex marriage didn’t cost Berg the election as many north Dakotan’s oppose it including Heidi Heitkamp. Probably didn’t cost them Montana senate race or Missouri’s senate race either.

  • Yacht7

    So Rob your saying you also now support marriage equality or you just think republicans should not worry about it as much. I don’t think that Same-sex marriage lost the republicans North Dakota being that many oppose it including Heitkamp. I don’t think it lost them Montana senate race either and a few others. It was other issues.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      I’ve actually been for gay marriage for years. And yes, the issue is costing Republicans and will increasingly a time goes on.

  • HG

    “Meanwhile, this weekend America’s most prestigious military academy was host to its first gay marriage:”
    It was indeed a sad day for America and America’s military.

  • yy4u2

    If they aren’t taught morals and ethics at home or at school, is it so surprising that they, they nation’s youth, think this way? If the govt legislated that all shoe strings be done away with, the youth would think that velcro or slip-on shoes are the only thing to get. If the govt mandated that all the youth be taught that SS is actually a ponzi scheme resulting in them paying for something they probably aren’t going to get…oh, wait, that will never happen.
    Although marriage stats are pretty grim, it is a word, a ceremony that has been used by religious groups for centuries. Call it a same-sex union or pick a different word and make it your own. You couldn’t call this site CNN-sayanything or Walmart-sayanything or Ford-sayanything.
    So instead of protecting the beliefs and heritage of one, we legislate it out of them. That doesn’t sound like you at all. I respectfully disagree with you on this when I generally agree with your other points of view.

  • txmx

    Rob, great overall blog, but this issue is not so easy. Young people may support gay marriage (GM), but are also overwhemingly for Obama, climate change laws, and other leftist rant. We aren’t assuming that their views on these issues won’t change, as you propose we do on GM. Another weay to look at the data, is people with kids are overwhelmingly opposed to GM vs singles–as they get older, pay taxes and have families, young people’s views on a lot of things change. Gays are 3% of the voting population per the 2012 exit polls, not the oft mis-cited 10%, and there is no evidence anyone otherwise disposed to vote Repub switches just because of this issue, let alone that anyone would switch to Repub if we tried to match the Dems gay for gay. However, LOTS of social conservatives will fall on their sword on this, and will just sit out races if we abandon them. Way more lost votes, that the illusory saved or gained ones. Civil unions solves all the legal issues, but the gay activists want to shove this in everyone’s face and force a tiny minority view, full public equality and acceptance, on the culture after 5000 years of history the other way. Eager to force kids into living their experiments via gay families, etc. No concern or even thought, let alone studies, about the impact on society, morality etc on such a sudden seismic shift. Is it POSSIBLE that thousands of years collective mores across all cultures, races, and religions are all be wrong and unjustified?–sure, but that’s not the way to bet. Since we all know directly or indirectly someone affected, sure its a little uncomfortable, but this is one issue we better be careful about abandoning.

  • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

    So the position of younger voters aren’t likely to shift? You mean unless they are a Mitt Romney kind of American, who really has no principles other than the ones he’s supposed to have to advance his arrogant desires?

  • awfulorv

    If you burn a pile of leaves in Stockton, Calif. you’ll have a mob, a third of which will be gays,, and the Fire Department will be called to put the fire out. And you will, likely, be fined hundreds of dollars for your mischief making. On the other hand, if your son is forced to move from seat to seat in a movie theater, because many of those same gays can’t seem to keep their hands off his knees, and his private parts, his protests will, most likely, fall on the deaf ears of the authorities. And, if he asks to be reimbursed the price of his ticket for his ordeal, he’ll risk being thrown in the hoosegow for his impertinence. A small example of how we’ve allowed this greatest of nations to be thoroughly f–ked up. Fiscal cliff my arse, had we not gone over the commonsensical, and moral cliff, years ago, and, immorally, spent our children’s money, insuring that vast numbers of, perhaps the strongest among us, citizens,or not, would never have to work, during their lifetimes, we’d have no need to worry about some damn precipice.

  • Stuart

    As I see it, this site is a promoter of moal decay in the name of Progress, and Enlightenment! Civil rights as opposed to what is moral and upright. And the subject matter is often disguised as sympathies conservatism.

    It’s possible..or should I suggest more probable the site owner would indoctrinate his readers with any study,any poll, or any form of Progreesive tactic in what is referred to as moral evolution where any goes.

    The conservatives have to change to be re-elected to power.

    Kudos to the 30 states that have the stick to it tivness!

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