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So the lying terrorist is lying about being tortured?

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

That about sums it up.

The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. But how is… legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish this law without delay … If such a law is not abolished immediately it will spread, multiply and develop into a system.

Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

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They screamed at him?  And shook him?

This is coming from a guy that was trying to blow up a dirty bomb in the USA. Poor guy, I feel so bad for the f’n terrorist in Gitmo and else where.

Chenney last week should have said your damn right we water boarded KSM. First off its not touture and gee, I think terrorists cutting off peoples head’s off is much worse than water boarding.

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I discovered secret CIA tapes of the torture that we use against these terrorists.

You can watch it here, but beware it’s not for the faint at heart. 
“Put her in the comfy chair!”

The Debate is over!  Global Whining has been confirmed.

Homework assignment-

Question 1) Where did * find the following?

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment XIV

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Question 2) These rules, and the document they come from helped make America the greatest country in the world? True/False

Question 3) Jose Padilla is an American citizen? True/False

Question 4) Incarceration without charges, much less a trial, for 3+ years could never happen to a person like me in a nation of laws? True/False

Happy Halloween everyone!

splat,

Now go look up the Supreme Court Case Ex Parte Quirin and the appleate case of Padilla vs Hanft.

You see Haupt was an American Citizen.  Yet the Supreme Court upheld his conviction for war crimes by a militry tribunal and approved his sentance (death by hanging).

Rather blows the case you were trying so hard to make right out of the water.

Out Here
Rodney Graves

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Well Rod,

Yet the Supreme Court upheld his conviction for war crimes by a militry tribunal and approved his sentance (death by hanging).

Can you spot the rather large gulf between Haupt and Padilla?

Little hint Rod, it lies in the seventh word in the quote I lifted from you.

con‧vic‧tion  Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-vik-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. a fixed or firm belief. 

e.g.
“There was a time when Republicans claimed a strong reverence for the Constitution as a firm conviction.”

-noun 2. the act or process of convicting

After 3 years, either the man is guilty or he’s not. Either we live in a nation of laws or not.

I, for one, would like to believe the government has a case against him, but I find the reluctance (a reluctance some have speculated to be sourced in the government’s handling of Padilla’s incarceration) fairly disturbing.

No US citizen has been subjected to any of the violations you put forwardpuzzledf**k/*. So what is your point?

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

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Something about you tells me that you never had an affinity for homework, so let me help you out: the answer to number 3 is ‘True.’

Ergo (a little something for the Latin-lovers ‘Out here’ if any of the allegations Rob quotes are true… well… I’ll let you decide for yourself if ammendments 4, 5, 8, & 14 have been liberally sidestepped.

I will point out that Madison felt the judicial process was so important, he dropped 3x as many ammendments guiding it as freedom of speech/bear arms.

splat opines:

Can you spot the rather large gulf between Haupt and Padilla?

Little hint Rod, it lies in the seventh word in the quote I lifted from you.

You would find him guilty or innocent without a trial?  How enlightening!

After 3 years, either the man is guilty or he’s not.

The length of his detention as an enemy combatant is irrelevant to his guilt or innocence as regards warcrimes.  Nor was the Government of the United States under any obligation beyond convenience to transfer him to the custody of the Federal Courts for trial before the cessation of hostilities.  One could indeed make a very good case that doing so is a violation of Geneva III.

Either we live in a nation of laws or not.

I hold that we do.  I also hold that Padilla has been given the benefit of legal protections by virtue of his citizenship which should not be afforded to non-citizen illegal combatants.

I, for one, would like to believe the government has a case against him, but I find the reluctance (a reluctance some have speculated to be sourced in the government’s handling of Padilla’s incarceration) fairly disturbing.

I see no evidence to support Padilla’s allegation of “torture” nor of his claim of being drugged against his will.  Both tactics are strait out of the al Qaeda handbook.

As regards final disposition, I would really prefer to see Padilla dancing Danny Deever, though I fear I shall have to settle for hearing that he has been executed by lethal injection.

Out Here
Rodney Graves

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Persia delenda est.
Latin: “Persia (modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

The length of his detention as an enemy combatant is irrelevant to his guilt or innocence as regards warcrimes.  Nor was the Government of the United States under any obligation beyond convenience to transfer him to the custody of the Federal Courts for trial before the cessation of hostilities.  One could indeed make a very good case that doing so is a violation of Geneva III.

Very well put, I am not so sure what Democrats want us to do with these poor terriorist suffering unfairly at the hands of the thugish US military? What is their suggestions to what they are going to do with these poor missunderstood guys?

What happens If we give the a trial and some liberal activist judge has them aquitted? What happens next when and Idiot like Padila gets out and rejoins the war and end up blowing up a building, exploding a dirty bomb in New York, or better yet drives another airplane into one of our sky scrappers in New York, LA or Chicago.

What is there response going to be? I suppose they will some how blame Oresident Bush.

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puzzledf**k/*, you still have provided no instance of US citizens whose rights have been violated. Everything you listed is from the Constitution of The United States of America. Until and unless you can provide proof that W has used any of the powers extended him by Congress when they voted him the authority to pursue our enemies abroad you are full of shit.

Now, when Democrats reattain control of our government, then your list will be populated with the names of US citizens.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The city of Fargo routinely violates that one.

As for the forced LSD use, wouldn’t there be a way to test for that?  I’m not a doctor, but I thought there were ways to tell if one had ever used a drug like LSD.

LSD is very hard to test for and only remains in the body for up to few days at most in any detectable amount. Most of the time it is flushed from the body within two days.

It’s a very safe drug in controlled environments, but it can scare the living shit out of people who aren’t accustomed to walking through that door and into another reality. I say that we heavy dose these Muslims and let them play out their own worst nightmares trapped inside of their twisted heads.

Allah won’t seem so comforting when he transforms into a child molesting demon who sends his followers into the pits of a demon infested Hell. Oh wait,..that’s not an acid induced trip,..that’s reality.

Well hell,..now what?