All In: Obama Willing To Lose The Next Election If It Means Passing Government Health Care

Wow…


Here’s a thought: If what Obama wants to do to health care is so unpopular that it could cost him and his fellow Democrats in the next election, what does that say about Obama’s respect for the will of the people?
Obama should remember that the founding principle of our nation’s government was “the consent of the governed.” Not “by any means necessary.”

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  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    You’re not even in Montreal much less Canada.

    Dino: In keeping with your 100% wrong 100% of the time, I’m pleased to inform you that John is indeed writing from an Canadian email exchange.

    Dino: Don’t you ever get tired of being wrong?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    The blog administrator impresses with his insider powers.

    The resident troll Dino doesn’t impress with all the “facts” he pulls out of his arse.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    John in Montreal: Welcome! I’ve been out of town the last couple days and playing catch up, but I always like to welcome newcomers who show a modicum of civility and common sense. Please ignore the trolls as much as possible, but free free to smack them down at will!

    I’ve visited your fair city on a couple of occasions. The streets of old Montreal seem to have been laid out by the same drunken miner dragging a mule that designed the layout of several of our Gold Rush towns!

    I commend you for your bravery, too! Traffic there is not for the faint of heart!

    Canadians are always welcome at SAB. (More so than some Portlanders!) Heh.

  • bill-tb

    He could resign now, America would be proud.

  • http://www.dartemis.net/blog/ sayanything-42

    I say go for the two-fer!

    A turkey and a duck with a single stone…

  • JohnInMontreal

    Not to worry, when your state run health system is overwhelmed and nearing collapse as ours is,…

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jbjzPEY0Y3bvRD335rGu_Z3KXoQw

    …you’ll be able to send the overflow the US for treatment that way we do!

    http://freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/1319/

    Oh wait…

  • carrick

    Dino:

    Oooo. The blog administrator impresses with his insider powers.

    If I had as little of interest to say as you do, I’d intentionally drown myself in my own vomit.

  • JohnInMontreal

    I doubt it. Name any government program that gets abolished later.

    Medicare came to Canada in the 60s and in most provinces was originally a government insurance plan, paid for by dedicated premiums deducted from one’s paycheque. When it was working well, about up to the late 80s, it was great for the average person. Problem is eventually the internal contradictions and inefficiency of a state monopoly take their toll.

    Over time it evolved into a direct funding model where it was just rolled into the provincial revenue system. Here in Quebec, on a salary of 80k, the provincial income tax is about 12k and 2/3rds of that goes to medicare, not including the Federal contribution, so it sure isn’t “free”.

    In the end, because doctors and nurses must negotiate pay scales directly with the government, their associations have evolved into defacto labour unions that carry out collective bargaining with the government just like postal workers. Naturally, being labour unions dealing with a government monopoly, you now have to deal with doctor strikes:

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/1999/04/17/residents990417.html.

    The reality of the situation is that there is now a market in Canada for what is called “waiting list insurance”.

    http://www.acurehealth.com/

    That should tell you all you need to know.

  • Mark

    I think I’m being naive!

  • Mark

    If I remember right, correct me if I’m wrong, even if it passes it will be a few years before it’s implemneted. Will that leave enough time after the 2010 elections to undue it?

  • Mickey

    Save America.
    Vote Democrats out.

  • http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/ Reaganite Republican

    The left could give a rat’s ass about “the will of the people”, LOL

    And clearly Obama plans to ram this down our throats… makes you think he has more sinister plans up his sleeve on how to stay in office.

    This guy is a nightmare the sort of which I’d never thought I see in the WH… God help this country

  • docdave

    What depresses me most is that Americans were to taken in with this man that they elected him. Is the majority of our people that stupid and naive?

  • robert108

    This is just another “trial balloon” by an administration that dare not tell the truth about what they really believe about our country and what they want to do to it.

  • JohnInMontreal

    Don’t worry, DINO won’t post on this thread because there is a reality that has to be faced.

  • JohnInMontreal

    Hey DINO! There you are buddy! Spoke too soon!

  • DINO

    So sorry, stems. The economic news keeps getting better, the markets are looking up, optimism is growing. In 15 months things will be even better. There’s no fucking way the people are going to give the country back to the party that nearly destroyed us.

    Better go back to praying for another 9/11. Not even an assasination can save your gutter ideology of selfishness, greed and ignorance now.

  • DINO

    Hey John! You spoiled sack of shit, enjoying the system built for you by liberals and complaining about it while you benefit.

    Say John, why not move your ignorant conservative ass to some third world-like, conservative American shithole like Alabama or Texas? I’m sure the people of Canada won’t miss you.

  • Neiman

    So sorry, stems. The economic news keeps getting better, the markets are looking up, optimism is growing.

    Didn’t you just hear the news about the National Debt, brought out on Friday hoping no one would notice? They will, believe me people are angry!

  • DINO

    I don’t think the economyis that great either, but this is America post-conservative era. If five people are getting rich that’s all that matters. That’s pretty much been the story for the last 30 years.

    That said, the debt and deficit didn’t matter to the ignorant majority (of both kinds of voters) under bush, crying about them now won’t make a bit of difference.

    Face it. Your ideology failed BADLY and ran out of ideas somewhere around 2004. There’s no way you’ll be able to reinvent yourselves as outsiders once the campaigns start.

    If democrats weren’t such wimps they would have nailed the republican coffin shut by now.

  • JohnInMontreal

    Hey John! You spoiled sack of shit, enjoying the system built for you by liberals and complaining about it while you benefit.

    Say John, why not move your ignorant conservative ass to some third world-like, conservative American shithole like Alabama or Texas? I’m sure the people of Canada won’t miss you.

    Ah Rino Rino Rino… so clueless

    One of these days you’ll actually rebut my post with actual facts…

    Fortunately the Canadian Supreme Court ruled about 5 years ago that governments here can’t ban private health care so there are alternatives sprouting up to deal with the mess liberals created. Canada is evolving (slowly) towards private, or semi private, health care, just as the insane left in the US wants to go in the opposite direction. What a hoot.

    Yeah.. what the liberals built… come to Montreal and visit Montreal General Hospital, a grimy shithole. With a major nurse shortage because the dumbass leftist PQ government cut back nurses in the 90s by offering early retirements.

    The Dem party will never fix the real health care problem in the US which is mostly the tort system and the inability to sell insurance across state lines. Trial lawyers are the Dems’ biggest donors. Trial lawyers and unions…. the party of parasites.

  • JohnInMontreal

    http://www.breitbart.tv/charming-liar-progressives-turn-on-obama-as-air-america-exposes-fascist-drug-deal/

    Priceless! Even his true believers have caught on to what a brazen liar the guy is!

  • DINO

    You’re not even in Montreal much less Canada.

    Texas has the highest per capita health care spending in the country. They also have tort reform which caps suits at $250K. Oh, and they have the highest percentage of uninsured too.

    Selling across state lines is meaningless when consolidation has already concentrated the bulk of providing coverage in the hands of 5 corporations.

    Deregulation and denying people due process. Those are the solutions of stupid, profoundly ignorant people.

    Move to Texas John. It’s the conservative paradise you’ve been seeking.

  • DINO

    Oooo. The blog administrator impresses with his insider powers.

    Speaking of wrong, how did decades of supporting the ruling republicans and conservatism turn out for the country?

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/homosexuality_is_wrong_-_a_compendium move_zig

    Gents, Gents….

    why, for the love of God, do you even waste your time — and so much of it — responding to the trolls?

    By feeding them, you are only encouraging more trolling.

    Might I suggest block-and-ignore?

    Consider it a mental hygiene measure.

  • DINO

    That could happen, Carrick.

    Tonight, if you don’t put down that bottle.

  • Lioncourt

    Ben Franklin would have agreed. He thought that a representative should do what he thought was right, regardless of what the electorate thought. That is why we have a republic and not a democracy.

  • JohnInMontreal

    You’re not even in Montreal much less Canada.

    Amusing that the only response you can come up with is to claim I’m not in Canada. A true intellectual heavyweight.

    Anyway, in spite of the medical system problems life here is very pleasant, sort of a half British/half American “America Lite” kinda place. So I wouldn’t move for the same reason you wouldn’t move up here just for government health care; it’s home.

    In any case, the US is being rapidly spent into bankruptcy by the Dems. I’ll stay up here thank you very much.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I don’t think the economy is in near as good of shape as you’d like to believe dino.

    But even if there are positive signs, what of the deficits? What of the tax hikes it will take to even just moderate their growth?

    I guess we’ll just forget about those for now.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    I think we’d better hope it just doesn’t pass, period.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    His arrogance, not to mention his grasp of plainly obvious reality, is truly out of whack if he thinks he has a snowball’s chance in heck of getting re-elected.

  • http://suitepotato.blogspot.com/ sayanything-4808

    docdave:

    What depresses me most is that Americans were to taken in with this man that they elected him. Is the majority of our people that stupid and naive?

    Bush’s years were good, but not good enough, and it wasn’t the Reagen 80s by any stretch. That little bit of truth was what they wrapped their Bush bashing on the economy in. Even though more people bought homes than every before on Bush’s watch, the media portrayed reality as an economic wasteland.

    Bush’s reaction to 9/11 was completely understandable and foreseeable but went a bit far and was couched in fascist terms way too often. Homeland Security? It conjured visions of Nazi talk of the fatherland. Another government agency with quasi-military intelligence and police powers, and turned on the USA unlike the statutorily leashed CIA? Frightening to many.

    Every step of the way the Republicans handed a large enough grain of truth for them to hyper-distort in the media, which has always been all too willing to do so.

    Humans have a certain cognitive latency. A certain delay time between passionate emotional reaction and dispassionate intellectual thought. As their numbers increase, and their technological prowess at the one thing they do more than anything, talk, increases their culture must become cluttered so much that they remain more or less in a state closer to the first end than to the last.

    With people not thinking so much as feeling, such social complexes are inevitable.

    Cheer up though, it’s not all wine and roses for Obama. Now that he’s failing to prove himself the implied secular messiah, the public is growing in annoyance with him and it can only get worse.

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