Alerus Center Bleeding Taxpayer Money!

The Grand Forks Alerus Center

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Financial Disaster on the Prairie

In other words, Same-Old; Same-Old.

The city-owned events center has lost about $256,600 from the start of the year to the end of June. The budget said it should be ahead by $14,600.
Executive Director Steve Hyman said he expects to make up for the losses with events later in the year, though there’s also a game plan to cut costs if those events do not earn enough.

Nothing new here. The Alerus is losing money, but the management has their heads in the sand. The manager of the Alerus is claiming that if future events don’t make it up then they can cut expenses then.
Huh? These events are in the fall. Any expenses to be cut wouldn’t have time to make a difference on the bottom line. Not only that the fall is the busiest season for the Alerus. They should have been saving money through the winter, spring and summer when the calender is pretty sparse for the white elephant.
Right now Hyman’s got everything bet on the Britney Spears concert. The other events Hyman mentioned don’t sound to me like they’d make up the hundreds of thousands of losses incurred so far this year.
But if ticket sales for Britney were going well Hyman wouldn’t be stonewalling us on how the sales are actually going.

Hyman would not disclose how many of the 18,845 tickets have been sold, citing agreements with the promoters. But, he told the Alerus Center Commission meeting Wednesday that sales are very “encouraging.”

How in the world can the number of tickets sold in the city owned event center be confidential? After all if the Alerus loses money on the event it comes directly out of the city’s bank account. We have every right to know how our money is being risked.
And how confidential can the ticket sales be? Didn’t Hyman brag the first week of sales that all of the tickets up on the stage sold? If he can tell us that, he can tell us how much money we have at risk.
Personally I think the Britney concerts is going to be ANOTHER Waterloo for the city. But I don’t know the concert business. Maybe when the college students come back to town we’ll get a surge of ticket sales. But even if that happens it doesn’t excuse the Alerus Gang for betting a million dollars of our money in the concert industry.
We’re looking at another huge loss for the Alerus this year, It’s $270,000 behind budget for the first half of the year. The manager of the center is still telling us that he expects it to break even. When it doesn’t can we get a new manager that doesn’t look at the Grand Forks taxpayers as a cow to be milked?

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  • jimmypop

    Maybe when the college students come back to town we’ll get a surge of ticket sales.

    part of the idea behind these places to bring people to town that would not otherwise be there, right? :)

    face it…. they just need to step up and say ‘like the park district, we are not here to cash flow. we were wrong to tell you that. we are here to promote the ‘public good’. now, move along.’

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I love how Hyman says that he has a plan to cut expenses but won’t execute it when the “erus is losing all this money.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    So you’re claiming that having some flabby washed up pop-tart is a public good?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    Regarding the rest of your post, I’m pretty sure that if the question of whether or not we want to subsidize 10,000 concert goers to see Britney Spears to the tune of ~350,000 was put tot he voters; I’m sure the public would turn it down flat.

    I think if you want to see Britney you should pay to see her, not expect everyone else to subsidize you.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    You got that right, the Alerus gang is still bragging about the Cher concert in 2002.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    He should stick to the facts. His “City Leaders Can Do No Harm Mantra” is driving away subscribers from the Herald.

    I guess he only writes what he’s told.

    I am seriously thinking about cancelling my subscription because I only read the herald for the hockey news and I can read that on line.

  • sayanything-6955

    So you're claiming that having some flabby washed up pop-tart is a public good?

    Is she still flabby? Darn. There is no way in hell they can make up that big of a shortfall by years end.

  • jimmypop

    So you're claiming that having some flabby washed up pop-tart is a public good?

    first, she still good looking when shes in shape. second, thats the main selling point for these arenas. like parks, they are a place for people to enjoy themselves. with the up front cost and opportunity cost combined, its dishonest for anyone to claim the building itself will cash flow. if they did, private folks would be building swarms of them and the hockey rink down here would not need a public buy out (yes, i know this hockey rink down here was a scam from the start….but id like to think its wasnt).

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    It is kind of Ironic that you posted this article, the city lap dog Tran is back at it again promoting how great the Alerus Center is to the city of Grand Forks and not how it's a drain on the cities tax payers. It's almost as if the is justifying it's existence and saying ah shucks it's ok the tax payers will be on the hook for the losses.

    Knowledgeable sources have said they believe the Alerus Center has guaranteed that the concert would make somewhere in the $750,000 to $850,000, though Hyman would not confirm or deny the amount. A guarantee is just as it sounds: If promoters don't earn such an amount, the events center would have to make up the difference.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    It is kind of Ironic that you posted this article, the city lap dog Tran is back at it again promoting how great the Alerus Center is to the city of Grand Forks and not how it's a drain on the cities tax payers. It's almost as if the is justifying it's existence and saying ah shucks it's ok the tax payers will be on the hook for the losses.

    Knowledgeable sources have said they believe the Alerus Center has guaranteed that the concert would make somewhere in the $750,000 to $850,000, though Hyman would not confirm or deny the amount. A guarantee is just as it sounds: If promoters don't earn such an amount, the events center would have to make up the difference.

  • Geoguy

    Maybe the Monkees will get back together and save the day!
    I hear Christopher Cross is living under a bridge somewhere and would be available….

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    second, thats the main selling point for these arenas. like parks, they are a place for people to enjoy themselves. with the up front cost and opportunity cost combined, its dishonest for anyone to claim the building itself will cash flow

    They shouldn't have sold it dishonestly and that still doesn't excuse for them running it incompetently nor does it excuse them from lying about it.

    Frankly spending hundreds of thousands of dollars so that a few can enjoy Britney is a waste of money.

  • Geoguy

    Why not just save money and hire some roller-skating penguins, like Woody Allen did in "Zelig"?
    That's entertainment!

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    They shouldn't have sold it dishonestly and that still doesn't excuse for them running it incompetently nor does it excuse them from lying about it.

    Whistler you should ask the city mouth piece/Lap dog Tran what he thinks. He seems to be carrying the water for the cities mistakes a lot lately. I am sick and tired of having my taxes raise every year to pay for all of this crap. We are subsidizing an ugly over grown grain bin that is expensive and a drain on the city.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    I thought that Tran did a nice job on this story. IMO he let Hyman set himself up to take the fall if Britney and this year financial's turn out poor.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    The Whistler said: I thought that Tran did a nice job on this story. IMO he let Hyman set himself up to take the fall if Britney and this year financial's turn out poor.

    Yeah maybe so but that being said, I am surprised he can type with his POM POMs on.

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    He should stick to the facts. His "City Leaders Can Do No Harm Mantra" is driving away subscribers from the Herald.

    I guess he only writes what he's told.

  • jimmypop

    They shouldn't have sold it dishonestly and that still doesn't excuse for them running it incompetently nor does it excuse them from lying about it.

    thats exactly my point. they had to sneak in the back door to get a hockey rink down here.

    Frankly spending hundreds of thousands of dollars so that a few can enjoy Britney is a waste of money.

    its built and there is nothing you can do about that. now they manage it as best they can and be honest about loses. im not really sure who would sell up there or here. we shall see about brit. as you know from your previous post i commented on….. brit is being paid far too much of a minimum purse…. if she does as well as it would seem, these people….er, you tax payers… might be screwed. if it were a sellout or close to one, they would be announcing/ bragging about it every day.

  • Anon

    Hyman had an oppurtunity to come into the market and work to rebuild community support for The Alerus. Instead, he fell back on the lowroad crutch of lieing to citizens. It's a trick that Newman, Gershman, and The Herald have used since it opened. This plan of attack is not working and it's probably too late for the current staff/structure to rebuild trust, confidence, and community support. On another note, has anyone googled how many scalper/ticket brokers are sitting on Britney/Alerus tickets? If this show bites it, they'll also learn a hard lesson about the Grand Forks market. It's a horrible situation. There are many positive aspects of Grand Forks to build upon. Instead, The Alerus center has sucked out all the oxygen.

  • jimmypop

    Regarding the rest of your post, I'm pretty sure that if the question of whether or not we want to subsidize 10,000 concert goers to see Britney Spears to the tune of ~350,000 was put tot he voters; I'm sure the public would turn it down flat.

    I think if you want to see Britney you should pay to see her, not expect everyone else to subsidize you.

    no doubt. if its a failure the people that brought her to your venue need to be held accountable for poor choices.

    as we learned with the failed kanye west concert at the dome, it seems to me that this area is a hair band and country music base. rap and pop just dont sell 20,000 seats.

  • Anon

    The Kanye West reference is a great on-topic segue. Why? Hip Hop artists are some of the biggest selling performers in America in regards to CD's and downloads. Yet, they struggle to sell concert tickets. Why? Their audience is young and parents control whether, or not, they are allowed to attend their live performances. How does this relate to Brit'? It's the same type of circumstances; parents are involved in the decision making process if their children are allowed to attend her shows. I'd like to add, for two reasons; Brit's personal life has had some major hiccups, as well as the fact that her tickets are very expensive. In a large metropolitan, urban, primary market, there are more people available to snap up the tickets. In a small, isolated market, it's obviously more difficult. It's probably also less likely that mom and pop fill the car with kiddos and drive to the show. I also have a real life example. The Black Eyed Peas' tour that came to The Alerus was one of the top grossing tours in it's day. The Grand Forks play was a failure.

    Also, in a previous post when I used the term "lie", I meant knowing about secret-subsidies to the tune of about $900,000, and keeping this from citizens and then hyping and teasing "profits", is lieing in my opinion. I have more examples if anyone cares to hear about them.

  • ec99

    "I guess he only writes what he's told."

    I said this a long time ago. Jacobs runs the place; cross him, contradict his opinions, and you're out.

    How many of you actually believe we'll get an accurate story on the BS concert?

  • http://SayAnythingBlog.com The_Whistler_ofnd

    You mean like how Hyman said the year end financials looked pretty good before they released the huge losses.

    Or do tou mean how Tran admitted to covering up losses at the failed center.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    There should be no mystery why the Herald is losing readers.

  • ec99

    "You mean like how Hyman said the year end financials looked pretty good before they released the huge losses.

    Or do tou mean how Tran admitted to covering up losses at the failed center."

    Both. We'll never know what kind of financial bath the BS concert is going to take, nor will Tran do any investigating to find out. My bet is we'll get another cheery economic impact report.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    "You mean like how Hyman said the year end financials looked pretty good before they released the huge losses.

    Or do tou mean how Tran admitted to covering up losses at the failed center."

    Both. We'll never know what kind of financial bath the BS concert is going to take, nor will Tran do any investigating to find out. My bet is we'll get another cheery economic impact report.

    I don't get the reason why we have to talk up the Alerus Center?
    It is a drain on our wallet.

  • ec99

    "I don't get the reason why we have to talk up the Alerus Center?
    It is a drain on our wallet."

    The only people who talk up the Alerus are the commission, the city council, and the Herald. And it has always been a drain on our wallet, and always will be. It promised much, but has never delivered.

  • ec99

    "I love how Hyman says that he has a plan to cut expenses but won't execute it"

    Hyman should be popped.

  • ec99

    In rereading my previous post, I realize it may be misconstrued. I was not implying violence, but rather a sexual innuendo.

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