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Alan Greenspan: Iraq War Was About Oil

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AMERICA’s elder statesman of finance, Alan Greenspan, has shaken the White House by declaring that the prime motive for the war in Iraq was oil.

In his long-awaited memoir, to be published tomorrow, Greenspan, a Republican whose 18-year tenure as head of the US Federal Reserve was widely admired, will also deliver a stinging critique of President George W Bush’s economic policies.

However, it is his view on the motive for the 2003 Iraq invasion that is likely to provoke the most controversy. “I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil,” he says.

Greenspan, 81, is understood to believe that Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the security of oil supplies in the Middle East.

My reaction?  Well of course the Iraq war was about oil.  How can you begin a war in the region where the entire world gets most of its essential fuel supply without it being about oil, at least in part?  The thing is that it isn’t as simple as the Bush-went-to-war-for-his-oil-buddies rhetoric the left spouts, and I’m sure Greenspan probably makes that point (though that will undoubtedly get lost in the shuffle over the gloating in anti-war circles about Greenspan “admitting” to a war for oil).

Would anyone care about the middle east were it not for the oil that’s there?  Probably not.  Nor would many countries in the middle east pose the threat they do to global security.  Without the trillions of dollars that have flown into that region to buy oil much of the Islamic jihad we’re seeing today wouldn’t have funding.  The middle east would be little more than desert interrupted occasionally by an oasis or two and the random roving band of goat herds.  It is what it is today because of oil.

And with the entire free world dependent on that oil, can any responsible world leader be blamed for taking the security of that supply seriously?  Self-righteous types can carp about “war for oil” in the middle east, but what do you think they’d be complaining about if they were suddenly denied all of the convenience oil provides us with?

Did Bush and/or Tony Blair talk about oil much when making their case for war?  No.  But who can blame them?  It’s a practical standpoint to have (our economy would collapse if global markets were suddenly cut off from middle eastern oil), but not politically tenable given the widespread appeal of shallow “war for oil” arguments.

Let me put it this way: We’re in the middle east to stabilize the region.  We want to stabilize the region because a) Islamic terrorism has its roots there and b) we’re dependent on the oil.  We are stabilizing the region by opposing tyrannical and fundamentalist groups that would oppress the people and promote instability.

What’s so wrong with that?

Comments

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In case there was ever any question if Greenspan was a screamin lib and dem sympathizer, we just answered it.

He refers to Clinton as an “economic genius” and a “soulmate(geesh)”.

I have two terms to explain Clinton’s “economic brilliance”:

1. Republican Congress.
2. Dot.com Bubble.

The new Republican Congress forced Clinton to the middle on economic policies and the dot.com bubble created the surplus.

No mention at all that as the dot.com bubble unravelled showing unbelievable levels of corporate corruption, the recession began during Clinton’s final year, due largely in part to Greenspan raising interest rates to fight off non-existent inflation about 6 times more than he should have.

Clinton an economic genius?  Hardly.  More like in the right place at the right time.  As the recession came on, this “economic genius” did NOTHING to stop it, did he?

And then, greenspan actually is STUPID enough to claim thhat Bush’s Tax Cuts wiped out the surplus!

Say what?  Any first year college student studying Econ 101 knows that is utter bs at it’s most steaming levels.

Tax cuts RAISE REVENUE TO THE TREASURY, not lose it.

My god!

Bill Mitchell on September 16, 2007 at 04:43 am

I have to disagree with Mr. Greedspan on that.  I think Bill Mitchell laid it out very well.

Zsa Zsa on September 16, 2007 at 06:34 am
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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Mr. Andrea Mitchell.

Chris on September 16, 2007 at 07:56 am
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The “myth” of Clinton is so much bigger than the man.

For instance, they call him “the first Black President”.

Ask most blacks and they will gush about how he was THEIR guy.

So, can you list 5 things Bill Clinton did for blacks while in office?

How about 1 thing?

Senior Citizens will gush about how Bill Clinton was their savior.

Yet who raised taxes on Social Security, retaxing what had already been taxed twice and costing seniors $1,000’s of dollars?

That’s right, Bill Clinton, the savior of the aged, screwed the lot.

Name 5 things Bill Clinton did for Senior Citizens?

Name 1 thing.

See, he is diefied in the MSM for things HE NEVER DID and justified for things HE DID DO.

Bill Mitchell on September 16, 2007 at 08:03 am

1. Republican Congress.
2. Dot.com Bubble.
3. Enron; prospered under Clinton, went broke under Bush.

Lest we forget.


The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

robert108 on September 16, 2007 at 08:29 am

What the lefties maintain is that Iraq is only about oil, and nothing else, which is where they’re wrong.


The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

robert108 on September 16, 2007 at 08:30 am

As one who watches the markets carefully, particularly the bond market, I recall that Mr. Greenspan, a nominal Democrat, is the one who has correctly called 7 of the last 2 recessions.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on September 16, 2007 at 08:54 am

greenspan actually is STUPID enough to claim that Bush’s Tax Cuts wiped out the surplus!

And he was the Federal Reserve chaiman for 18 years?  Frightening....

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on September 16, 2007 at 09:10 am

Do you use the
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for medical needs?

WOOF on September 16, 2007 at 09:52 am

What the lefties maintain is that Iraq is only about oil, and nothing else, which is where they’re wrong.

I agree completely.  Indeed, if the ME didn’t have all that oil AND the rest of the world weren’t so dependent on it I think that much of the rest of the world would turn their backs on the ME and let them sleep in the bed they’ve made.

I also believe that there was a humanitarian reason for going into Iraq.  That it was probably a relatively small reason in the big picture doesn’t make it irrelevant.  There were a lot of reasons, none of which by itself would likely be reason enough, but added together they were. Cherry picking among them to say we should or shouldn’t have gone in is deceptive and a distortion.

iAMbs on September 16, 2007 at 10:29 am

Wanting to establish peace and stability in the ME is certainly going to result in more stable oil supplies, especially when our lefties want to restrict our ability to develop our own oil resources.


The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

robert108 on September 16, 2007 at 10:40 am

Robert108… You make a great point there!

Zsa Zsa on September 16, 2007 at 11:05 am
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To paraphrase an article about oil written by ???
The Iraq and middle east conflict is about oil--the supply and availability of it.  $70 to $80 per barrel price of crude is an irritation and an inconvenience to the developed nations such as the U.S.  The $80 price for a barrel of oil is a matter of life and eating versus dire hardship for most third world peoples, and in some cases, starvation.  “It’s all about oil” is such a catchy phrase--no need to think--"it’s all about oil”

halatbis on September 16, 2007 at 11:09 am

As irritating and inconvenient as our dependense on oil is. It would be nice IF we could get some of the Libs to let us explore and tap into our own resources.

Zsa Zsa on September 16, 2007 at 12:09 pm

As irritating and inconvenient as our dependense on oil is.

Calling our creative and productive use of oil either “dependence” or “addiction” begs the question.  It is just as credible to call us “dependent” on food, as if that is in any way significant.
Don’t take this personally, ZZ; it has crept into the dialogue because of leftie propaganda, which is both insidious and relentless.  When they are successful in defining our use of oil as “dependence”, no debate is possible.


The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

robert108 on September 16, 2007 at 12:15 pm

The road to Hell was paved
with good intentions.

The redecorating isn’t working
out.
Does that democracy look like a
theocracy?

WOOF on September 16, 2007 at 12:19 pm
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I’ll tell you EXACTLY why we went into Iraq. Most people seem to have forgotten wat was happening at the time.  It comes down to 3 reasons:

Reason #1 - It wasn’t that long after 9/11 and the Dems “what did Bush know and when did he know it” chorus had begun.  Meanwhile, the intelligence agencies of many major countries were all telling us Saddam had nukes.

“What did Bush know and when did he know it...”

Get it peeps?  After 9/11 happened on his watch, he didn’t want Irael or NYC to be nuked by Saddam when he had clear evidence that Saddam was planning just that.

Can you imagine if Bush did nothing and Saddam had nuked Israel?  The dems would still be screaming how Bush knew and did nothing!

#2 Reason - Once we sent our troops to the middle east to “force Saddam to capitulate”, the war was on.  No way we were gonna back down.

#3 Reason - For a guy with nothing to hide, Saddam gave up his whole country and life to hide...nothing?  In other words, for an innocent guy, Saddam sure looked as guilty as hell.

The Democrats are the “Bitch Party”.  What I mean is that they have no ideas of their own, they get power just by “bitching” about what everyone else does wrong and they run on “vote for us, we’re not them”.

For example, if Bush ignored cancer research funding and people died for cancer, the dems would scream that Bush let people die of cancer.

If Bush funded cancer research and it was cured, the dems would bitch about all the cancer doctors out of work.

So, in conclusion, Bush went to war because after 9/11 happening on his watch, he was damned if he was gonna let Saddam nuke someone on his watch.

Bill Mitchell on September 16, 2007 at 12:41 pm

Mitchell: Very good! I have made similar arguments in the past, expressed in my own way of course; but you did a very, very good job!


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on September 16, 2007 at 12:58 pm
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Mitchell,

You’re an whack job.  There was no evidence that Saddam was planning to nuke NYC.  In fact there was no solid evidence he had nukes.  We went in there because we wanted to test out two things.  We wanted to validate the new military plans of using a more mobile smaller force.  We wanted to test out our theory on creating an arab democracy.

Lestat on September 16, 2007 at 01:10 pm
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lestat,

The reasons you cite were our rationalization after the fact, not the underlying reasons.

As opposed to being a ‘whack job” I am actually correct and you do not possess a knack for the obvious.

Bill Mitchell on September 16, 2007 at 01:48 pm

Mitchell,
You’re an whack job.

Now go back and whack Alan Greenspan.
Smear the old chap, the hero of the republicans for many years, just because the old fellow deviated from the party line. All of the sudden he is not good. He in fact is the devil incarnate.
How dare an old Joo smear our beloved GWB.

ellinas on September 16, 2007 at 02:47 pm

Mitchell,
You’re an whack job.

Why? What did he/she say that supports your rude, demeaning and meaningless comment?


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on September 16, 2007 at 02:53 pm

If y’all believe that this war was about oil, y’all are whack jobs just like Mitchell.
Our great leader said time and again:
WMD’s, WMD’s, WMD’s, uranium....democracy..democracy....
Anyone thinking and/or saying it was about oil and not about WMD’s or oil had anything to do with this war is an apostate, a nutjob, a...a....whacko.

ellinas on September 16, 2007 at 02:56 pm
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If y’all believe that this war was about oil, y’all are whack jobs just like Mitchell.
Our great leader said time and again:
WMD’s, WMD’s, WMD’s,

ellinas: I’m glad you’re bringing the same insightful wisdom to bear here that you have in the past on other threads! /sarcasm


Excuse me, you were saying?

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Proof on September 16, 2007 at 03:07 pm
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it was about money saddam wanted to sell oil in euro. by doing this the US monetary system loses out.

gavin brown on September 16, 2007 at 03:09 pm

ellinas: It all depends on your definition of words. 1. As I believe Rob pointed out, there is no doubt that concerns about the stability of the Middle East and the flow of oil to the Free World were part of the equation. It would be insane not to understand that clear fact. 2. If you are insinuating we went into Iraq to get their oil for free or at low costs, or that Bush/Cheney wanted to enrich their oil buddies or personal finances then you must supply objective evidence in that regard, then we must see it go to court and be subjected to the legal process or you will be exposed as a low class conspiracy theorist and cause most here to suspect you are mentally challenged.

Nonetheless, calling Mitchell a whack job and implying others here not agreeing with you deserve the same crude label seems at best very juvenile and it certainly does not elevate the debate.


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on September 16, 2007 at 03:28 pm

Go ahead smear the old Joo (Greenspan).
How dare the old fool say things like this.
Neiman I never said anything of what you think I said or meant.

I am saying that in the past anyone that even thought the war for oil thing was labled a nutjob by the right wingers.
Now all of the sudden the equation changed. Think about it. And if you are half the Christian you proclaim to be you will aknowledge the truth.
Look past my sarcasm.

ellinas on September 16, 2007 at 03:47 pm

Surely in part about oil. When Iraq decided, in September 2000, to convert its reserves from dollars to euros, and would stop accepting dollars for Iraqi oil, i.e. Petrodollars replaced by PetroEuros, you can be sure we were pissed off, especially when the Euro began to outvalue the dollar. Saddam was setting a scary precedent detrimental to the U.S. economy.

Oswaldo on September 16, 2007 at 09:25 pm

Cont’d:
Our invasion settled the matter.

Oswaldo on September 16, 2007 at 09:28 pm

Sure did.

ellinas on September 16, 2007 at 09:32 pm

As I remember, the lefties tried to sell the same lie about the Vietnam War.  They claimed that we really went there for the oil in the Mekong Delta.  As far as I know, it’s still there, if it ever was.  Just another leftie lie, like this one.


The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

robert108 on September 21, 2007 at 07:56 pm

We’re constantly being conned by the left and the right.
That Saddam switched from Petrodollars to PetroEuros in 2000 is a fact, not a lie.
That the invasion settled the matter (back to Petrodollars for Iraqi oil since the invasion) is also a fact, not a lie, though it certainly doesn’t prove we deliberately set out to accomplish this.
So, to claim the US invaded Iraq because of oil is not a fact, it is conjecture and hence, strictly speaking, a lie.

Oswaldo on September 22, 2007 at 06:24 am

So, to claim the US invaded Iraq because of oil is not a fact, it is conjecture and hence, strictly speaking, a lie.

Even worse, the lefties want to sell the idea that going into Iraq was only about oil.


The only legitimate role of government with regard to economics is to prevent fraud and provide a remedy- civil and criminal penalties- in case of fraud.

People have the mistaken notion that the free market has no rules.  But it most certainly does.  All our problems are due to government meddling.

robert108 on September 22, 2007 at 06:36 am

Even worse, the lefties want to sell the idea that going into Iraq was only about oil.

Claiming the left says we went in JUST for oil is an exaggeration and hence, strictly speaking, such a claim is a lie .

Oswaldo on September 22, 2007 at 06:57 am
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