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Al Gore is pathetic.  I hope the Weather Channel wins its lawsuit against him.  Al Gore needs to be stopped and conservative leaders like Newt Gingritch need to stop going on his commercials.  Give me a break!

Companies shouldn’t go to bed with the government because the government has herpes.  You can try your whole life but you’ll never get away from that one night.

I’m thinking that Newt gave up his “conservative leader” credentials.

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Whistler:  Did you post on the wrong thread?  What’s up with Newt?

“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

Sorry, Whistler, I missed the second part of Dougie’s post. 

“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

I’m glad you’re watching to see that I stay on track. 

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I’m thinking that Newt gave up his “conservative leader” credentials.

Whistler, I have to agree.

Companies shouldn’t go to bed with the government because the government has herpes.  You can try your whole life but you’ll never get away from that one night.

Dougee:  push pause, please.  Think about this.  Why do we always dismiss any conservative as soon as they say something that we don’t want to hear?

I am no tree-hugging envronmental whacko, but what Newt says in the ad is that we have to prepare for climate change. He does not  say that we caused  it.

Newt Gingrich is one of the most brilliant and schooled spokemen for conservatism in the nation. Maybe he has a point that we need to consider.

You are a young, bright and thoughtful conservative. Please don’t become dogmatic. There are already too many folks like that on SAB.

“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

Let’s suppose that the Earth warms by 10°C in the next 1000 years, and there’s nothing we can do about it.  That is, totally natural, totally unstoppable.

Should we not plan for this if (hypothetically) we knew it were coming?

One thing for sure is the oceans continue to rise, and they’ve been doing it for millennia.  Clearly that should be anticipated and planned for.

That sure sounds like the conservative thing to do.

I am no tree-hugging envronmental whacko, but what Newt says in the ad is that we have to prepare for climate change. He does not say that we caused it.

Newt Gingrich is one of the most brilliant and schooled spokemen for conservatism in the nation. Maybe he has a point that we need to consider.

I don’t disagree with you that Newt is a very brilliant and smart conservative man.  I actually like Newt and agree with him on many issues.  And I guess you are right that Newt didn’t say we caused climate change.  I just don’t want to see our spokesmen buy into taxing energy consumption like the democrats do. 

And thank you for your compl1ments.

Companies shouldn’t go to bed with the government because the government has herpes.  You can try your whole life but you’ll never get away from that one night.

....see I’m not sticking my nose in ya’lls bidness….
HOWEVER, I think you’re reading Mr. Vice President Algore’s award a little wrong.

He was awarded the Nobel PIECE Prize…..
...as in, he gonna get a piece o’ yo’ azz!!!

Why pay the price for telling the truth, when lying don’t cost nuthin’ -Mohair Sam

Hey, some religious freaks blame homosexuals for 9-11 (Robertson) and some blame global warming for cyclones and hurricanes. What can you do they’re religious freaks.

-on Newt no longer being a considered a conservative leader.—

If he wants to work towards solving potential problems that could arise from climate change that’s fine. BUT, allying yourself with somebody who does nothing but blame human activity , while profiting quite well from it I might add, is unforgivable. 

Hmmm, Pelosi, Gingrich, Robertson and Sharpton in global warming ads yeah that really ups the credibility factor.

Should we not plan for this if (hypothetically) we knew it were coming?

Or it might cool, or things might stay the same.  Is Newt saying we need to prepare for those eventualities.  No.

The fact is he’s bought into the fallacy that we must do something to combat global warming.  Newt thinks he’s clever by proposing “market based” solutions which amount to bribing people with their own (tax breaks) and other peoples “cash prizes.”

The fact is that IF we conservatives buy into the garbage, we’ve lost the war.  Newt’s plan won’t work because we aren’t warming up the globe.  So when it fails (or if it succeeds) we’ll move closer to the goal of socializing our economy.

If you want to think about an example of “market based reforms” you can use the ethanol fiasco, which doesn’t contribute much new energy, isn’t all that good for the environment and is very expensive where we pay 1)at the pump; 2)to the taxman for the subsidies; and 3) in higher costs of food.

Meanwhile if Newt had a clue he’d realize that the true market rewards efficiency.  As this post on Willism shows the freer American economy is outperforming the countries that signed up for Kyoto.

A conservative would keep the government OUT of the market not think you’re smarter than the market and propose whacky solutions that will probably cause more problems then they solve.

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Whistler: 

If you want to think about an example of “market based reforms”, you can use the ethanol fiasco.

Well, isn’t that exactly the point?  The ethanol fiasco was never  market-based.  It was a federally subsidized joke.

Other than that, your post is long on form and short on substance. “We” conservatives tend to throw any other conservative under the bus, as soon as they say something we don’t want to hear.

“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

One other thing, Whistler.  Your original post on Herr Gore is right on the mark!  What a scum-bag he is.

Well done!

“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

The ethanol fiasco was never market-based.  It was a federally subsidized joke.

I’m pretty sure that Newt’s plan will be much worse, at least by the time it makes it through Congress.

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Save The World—Ignore An Environmentalist

Running diesel vehicles on biofuels is a good thing, right? Not always, according to Greenpeace Argentina. It seems that the export of soybeans from Argentina is causing more pollution than was initially estimated. Also, too much of Argentina’s native forests are being mowed down for the soybeans. These issues are in stark contrast with two of Greenpeace’s stated charters: (1) catalyzing an energy revolution to address the number one threat facing our planet: climate change and (2) supporting sustainable agriculture by encouraging socially and ecologically responsible farming practices.

DKK

I hope the Weather Channel wins its lawsuit against him.

Really?  How public is this lawsuit?  What are the charges?

Global warming or not, pollution is still a problem, and so is energy effeciency.

“In fighting a monster one must not become a monster.”
~Nietzsche

Climate change - might as well not talk about it since it is out of our control.  As far as preparing for it, we have no idea which way to go. Hell, we have trouble preparing for hurricanes for which we have a lot more data.

Energy efficiency - nothing to do their either as the market place is the determining factor. i.e. assuming energy efficiency is cost effective, it will happen in what ever form is most productive.

One of the most important talents for success in politics is the ability to make utter nonsense sound not only plausible but inspiring. Barack Obama has that talent. We will be lucky if we escape the catastrophes into which other countries have been led by leaders with that same charismatic talent.
-Thomas Sowell

Switching to fleurescent light-bulbs is energy efficient.  Engines that require less gasoline is also energy effecient.

The question is: how much of your rights do you want to give up to be energy effecient?

I think, don’t quote me on this, but by 2012 (or 2014), Fleurescent light-bulbs will only be sold, this is part of a bill I don’t agree with.  It expands government power.

You are definitely right about it being cost effective docdave.  That is probably the first factor looked into making energy efficient products, next comes is consumer interest, and then last, our rights.

No wait, make consumer interest first! ; )

“In fighting a monster one must not become a monster.”
~Nietzsche

Also, too much of Argentina’s native forests are being mowed down for the soybeans.

They don’t use soyboeans grown in the Amazon rain forrest region for biofuel, under international treaty.  Most of that comes from the southern grasslands….

Very little of the destruction of the rain forest is associated with biofuels.  As to the pollution aspect, of course Greenpeace objects.  As far as I can tell, their goal is the end of our modern civilization.

dirl126.  Is walking to work more energy efficient?  How about riding a bicycle?
Cooking your own food?  Growing your own vegetables? 
Scientific fact:  Every transfer of power from one form to another involves inefficiency and waste of power.
Economic law:  Supply, demand and cost.  Let the market drive up the cost and the demand will decrease as people choose different ways of doing things unless the government interferes!

Communism is evil

As to the pollution aspect, of course Greenpeace objects.  As far as I can tell, their goal is the end of our modern civilization.

You are completely right Carrick.  These environmental wackos want to push us back to the stone age.  Our politicians need to quit pandering to them just to get their endorsements.

Companies shouldn’t go to bed with the government because the government has herpes.  You can try your whole life but you’ll never get away from that one night.

Is this a real conversation? It is more than obvious that a changing climate results in climate change, how can you even argue that?

It is perfectly acceptable to postulate that the unusual amount of record breaking and devastating storms are a result of changing climate.

There is nothing un-American about that; love or hate the messenger.

The climate has always been changing, even before man.

The problem with Newt is that his objectives are likely a waste of money and counterproductive to what actually happens.

Since Mr Fahrenheit only lived a few hundred years ago, while we were in the little ice age it wouldn’t be at all unexpected to see record temperatures now as we recover to the temperatures that we saw before that.

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Evan:

It is perfectly acceptable to postulate that the unusual amount of record breaking and devastating storms are a result of changing climate.

First what exactly is really “unusual”?  We haven’t had more storms, more violent storms or anything of that sort.  Compare weather extremes now (drought, rain, storms) against the 1930s, and you’ll find that period, which predates any human generated changes, to be more active on all fronts.  So again what is “unusual”?

Secondly, it’s been cooling for the last ten years, returning at least temporarily to a 1970’s like climate.  What is your mechanism of “climate change’” that will produce your supposed more extreme weather, when the climate has been actually getting milder?

Incidentally Gore’s profited perhaps an hundred million dollars with his scam.

The Alliance for Climate Change received 100% of the profits that Al Gore made from his book ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ and the proceeds from the movie. Paramount Classics who owns the movie has as well donated 5% of the box office sales to the Alliance for Climate Change.

Gore says that “warmer ocean temperatures” are causing this.

The quote when put back into context says, “and we’re seeing consequences that scientists have long predicted might be associated with continued global warming,” He goes on to say, “It’s also important to note that the emerging consensus among the climate scientists is although any individual storm can’t be linked singularly to global warming,”

The problem is that ocean temperatures have if anything cooled.

Robert Bindschadler, a glaciologist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, collected temperatures from ships and buoys which, “showed a warming of all oceans.”

They tried this same BS after Katrina and were promptly informed that global warming, if it were happening, doesn’t cause more hurricanes.

Correct. There has not been conclusive evidence to make a correlation between ocean temperatures and the frequency of hurricanes or cyclones. Now, if Al Gore is a ‘total piece of garbage,’ then I expect much harsher language towards President Bush and McCain eating cake as the people in New Orleans were ‘rotting.’

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McCain’s ‘spiritual advisor’ Pastor Hagee claims the cause of Katrina was because, “there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came.” Al Gore’s says that climate change might of increased the intensity of cyclone and Hagee that it was a man in the sky, which is more illogical?

My you talked me out of being so gung ho about McCain.

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McCain’s ‘spiritual advisor’ Pastor Hagee

Nun-too-swift tries in vain to make the false equivalence with Obama’s mentor. Sad.

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RBB:  Tsk, Tsk.  That turkey ain’y gonna fly….

“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

“ain’t” 

“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

I have to agree with Mr Gore. I have witnessed a change living here in New York, we don’t get snow falls like we use too.

In the last few months here in the US -we have had weather patterns, that we never had before.

Arkansas was swept by at least 10 tornadoes.

Tennessee 54 killed, a tornado sucked an 11-month-old boy and his mother from their home. They were found later in a field. The child survived in good condition, but his mother was dead.

Georgia - At least 20 homes in Atlanta’s historic Cabbagetown neighborhood were flattened by a tornado that ripped through downtown Atlanta.

For the single minded, ignorant, tunnel-vision and inconsiderate people that think nothing is happening.  It’s the people like you that are killing the planet.

Wake up and smell the beans….............

Wake up and smell the beans….............

That’s all the Global Warming Cultists have been giving us!

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Apparently gch is too young to remember the outbreqk in 1972.  This spring was peanuts in comparison.

I love how it gets warmer… climate change, colder climate change, stays the same climate change.  Same tune plays for all events!  Versatile indeed.

Liberals will never learn… weather happens.

The Whistler:

My you talked me out of being so gung ho about McCain.

It’s your decision. The only person who can change your mind is you.

Stay with McCain, he needs every vote he can get. Considering your post, do you have any argument except an ad hominem because I’d enjoy viewing it from your perspective.

I have to agree with Mr Gore. I have witnessed a change living here in New York, we don’t get snow falls like we use too.

While Minnesota and Denver are getting snow in MAY!!!  I’m sure you could come over here and shovel some driveways if you want.

For the single minded, ignorant, tunnel-vision and inconsiderate people that think nothing is happening.  It’s the people like you that are killing the planet.

I’ll think about believing in global warming when it stops snowing in May in my neck of the woods.  gch, it’s nice that you are trying to play on emotions like other libs do.  How were there tornadoes before global warming.  I’m dying to know how we humans can stop tornadoes.  It is you who are ignorant.

Companies shouldn’t go to bed with the government because the government has herpes.  You can try your whole life but you’ll never get away from that one night.

For the single minded, ignorant, tunnel-vision and inconsiderate people that think nothing is happening.  It’s the people like you that are killing the planet.

I think that would discribe you.  You twit, nobody said that nothing is happening.  All some of us are saying is that climate change is the norm that has been going on since the creation of this planet which indeed predates humans.  What nobody knows is what direction the climate is going, warmer or cooler.  This year so far the climate in virtually all the world has been cooler with 100+ year records being broken for snow and cold.  The major component affecting the weather is probably our sun, you know that thing that keeps you from turning into an ice ball.

gch, you really should educate yourself on the subject a little before you make rash statements like you did.

One of the most important talents for success in politics is the ability to make utter nonsense sound not only plausible but inspiring. Barack Obama has that talent. We will be lucky if we escape the catastrophes into which other countries have been led by leaders with that same charismatic talent.
-Thomas Sowell

Let me get this straight, if we had bought enough carbon credits from Al Gore, this Myanmar cyclone would not have happened. Do I have that right?

That’s why they call HIM Goracle.

Let me get this straight, if we had bought enough carbon credits from Al Gore, this Myanmar cyclone would not have happened.

Not only that, but if we buy enough credits from Al personally, he will turn back time and save the dinosaurs!

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A recent NASA report concludes that there has been no “global warming” for approximately 10 years, due to the fallacious models used by junk scientists. Does this mean that neo-pagan Al Gore is wrong about man made warming?  Nah… In a 1999 article in Nature magazine, the case is “made” that global warming causes global cooling.  Therefore, no matter what happens, global warming by humans is the culprit.  The cult of “Mother Earth” has it covered both ways.

Sorry - Replace “due to” with “contradicting” in my last post

Yep, they are trying to frame the argument into an “heads we win, tails you lose” sceanerio.

Somehow I don’t think the American people are buying into it.  However the political class, always eager to obtain more power over us little people (see Obama, McCain, Clinton etc) aren’t going to be deterred by logic.

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A recent NASA report concludes that there has been no “global warming” for approximately 10 years, contradicting to the fallacious models used by junk scientists.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Study/GlobalWarmingQandA/
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/GlobalWarmingUpdate/

NUNEZ:  Your chart is from 2007.  You might want to get up to date:

“NASA has just admitted a whopping mistake in its temperature data! 1998 is no longer the warmest year of the past century in the U.S. It falls to #2 with 1934 now being the warmest year. And #3 is now 1921, not 2006. It had been claimed that six of the ten hottest years in U.S. history had occurred since 1995, but now only three of the top ten are from the last ten years (1998, 2006, 1999). And 1998 was a peak year for El Nino, a phenomenon unrelated to atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, that also affected 1999 temperature data. The formerly high-ranking years 2000, 2002, 2003 and 2004 fell well down the leader board—behind even 1900!” -  http://amlibpub.com/essays/surprising-global-warming-news.html. Other more “mainstream” results can be googled.  I thought this URL concise and to the point.  By the way, my little tongue in cheek comment about junk scientists included some of those at NASA.

Smack!!!

“Capitalism is optimism monetized.”

George Soros’s foundations gave $720,000 in 2006 to the head of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, James Hansen, documented in The Soros Foundation Annual Report under the heading “politicization of science”

Hansen started the current hysteria by appearing before the Senate Energy Committee in 1988.

Were the books cooked on “global warming?”

In my opinion Hanson’s actions of manipulating the data constitutes cooking the books.

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George Soros’s foundations gave $720,000 in 2006 to the head of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, James Hansen, documented in The Soros Foundation Annual Report under the heading “politicization of science”

Would that mean that NASA is in the pocket of Big Weather?

Companies shouldn’t go to bed with the government because the government has herpes.  You can try your whole life but you’ll never get away from that one night.

NUNEZ:  Your chart is from 2007.

Um, no it isn’t.  It’s from 2008.

Smack.  Right-wing hyperventilation aside, the temperature corrections made in 2007 had only a minor effect on the Global Mean Temperature: the yearly rankings remains essentially unchanged.

The headline of this blog, “Al Gore Shamelessly Blames Global Warming for Myanmar Cyclone”, is just another right-wing lie being shamelessly pimped through the right-wing blogosphere.  You can read what really happened here:

The audio clip included with the online story includes two segments that have been spliced together, out of order, to mislead the listener as to Gore’s actual meaning.

According to your link Gore has warned that we’ll see more storms because of global warming. 

But he did say that any one storm can’t be linked to global warming.

I fail to see that makes this post wrong, when he’s addressing more storms like the current tragedy being caused by global warming.

Furthermore the Goddard Institute for Space Studies has been caught time and time again putting out incorrect warming data.  We all know about them siting the collection points above air conditioning warm air exhausts and on black top parking lots. Here’s another one where they just plain changed the data.

If there was data behind their position they wouldn’t have to manipulate the data.

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By the way your link said that the “ice cap” was melting and it was caused by anthropogenic climate change.

That’s not true.  Parts are melting and parts are growing. 

Are the places where the ice is getting thicker due to global warming as well?

What was the extent of the ice packs before the little ice age?

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Regardless of how you want to fudge the data, Jimmy, the fact is that the warmest year on record was 1998.  And we have also have been in a cooling spell for about five years.  Even the more ardent global warmingests admit that.

Finally, to follow up on what Whistler said, according to the climate models, the warming period from 1850-1980 occurred naturally, yet much of the ice loss was from that period.  It is is true that he ice loss substantially accelerated around 1980, so if we blame the warming from circa 1980 to 2000 entirely on humans, then we clearly are contributing to the circumstance (not quite willing to call it a “problem” since this sort of thing happens naturally too).

Carrick, I didn’t fudge any data.  The point is, some asshole edited the audio of the interview with Gore to change the meaning of what he said, and this whole thing is a dishonest smear job.

Yes, by some measurements 1998 was the warmest year on record, but as you are well aware, this was due to an unusually strong el nino event that year.  However, the 5-year moving average of annual global surface temperature has moved upward dramatically since 1998.

including the chicklets but not the eraser.

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Jimmy: the fudging is in what amounts to a post-hoc decision on how to manipulate the data to get the desired effect.

The other fudge is looking at 1850-200x instead of 1980-200x.  Generally it’s accepted that humans had an insignificant effect on global mean temperaure until roughly 1980.

What’s magical about 5 years?  Nothing.  There’s an annual (1-year) forcing and an 11-year (solar cycle) forcing.  If you average to remove the 1-year, then you need a two-year window, not 5.  The only thing 5 does is produce a bigger end-effect that obscures a very real downturn in temperature, or at least slow-down if one focusses on GISS.

Which raises the question of why you are focusing on the temperature series, GISS, which shows the most dramatic temperature rise?  This given that many of the algorithms they use are not publicly released.  Without peaking at the results, the satellite data really should be the best way to go in terms of accessing global mean temperature; you don’t have the issues with a sparse array with measurements being performed in almost an uncontrolled fashion (seen Andrew Watt’s site if you want to see what I mean by that). 

Taking your beloved 5-year average, the Earth has warmed by 0.55 C since 1980 according to GISS, by about 0.45 C according to Hadcrut but by a mere 0.2C according to VORTEX (satellite) measurements.  Given that the satellite measure in general are more robust than surface-based measures this doesn’t show the red flag the global warming crowd are looking for does it?