Glad you didn’t slip out that the time machine was actually a “Waybac.”

I live on the base, and that claim is bull :-/, I know for sure that the people involved are fine, and that article aggravates me to no end. I am a spouse of an airmen working in the 5MXS, and all I can say is I love how this whole thing has been blown out of proportion, it was a mistake simple as that, no one was hurt, and the people were punished. Hell the entire 5MXS is being punished….no leave allowed, and working non stop, but they are not being murdered. Why would they bother with such low level people? Especially when 1/2 the base knows what happened, we just can’t talk about it. (All I have stated is general knowledge so I am not going against any policies)

So have you explained how someone dying in a motor vehicle accidents months ago at a different base had anything to do with anything.

Personally I don’t think it’s anything any more sinister than the fact that something in the Minot water system makes people’s reasoning powers quit working.

Probably just the fluoride don’t you think?

Now it may be that Mark is more conversant in another language, but it was pretty funny!

The first two comments are funny. They draw conclusions that deny any sort of linkage in any of the deaths, and say “great debunking Jim!”

Please do not send your children to whatever schools, colleges or universities “educated” Jim and Robert on logic, rhetoric, debate or reason.

What an embarrassment.

The author and the recited facts are presented for you to draw your own conclusions. There is no “tinfoil hat brigade” nonsense anywhere but in the minds of the fake-skeptic baseless naysayer perspectives.

The whole thing sounds like a bad screenplay.

There’s no excuse for mishandling a nuclear weapon. But there’s no excuse for misguided, unfounded allegations against the military either.

Exactly. This mistake(as if any human endeavor is free of mistakes) is being used as an excuse for anti-American, anti-military propaganda.

Now it may be that Mark is more conversant in another language, but it was pretty funny!

His screed definitely needs translation to something that is understandable.

Rob? You and Ken are competing to see who can draw in the most truther wackjobs, aren’t you? Go check out this new one’s “forum” blog. It is just so special.

Anyway, as you can see, most articles are gathered here:

Minot AFB: deaths around illegal nuke flight
http://pim-fortuyn.nl/pfforum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=161

More important is to get clear answers on the questions that still remain and the article overhere didn’t have answers on either, like:

* if any of the death (Minot/Barksdale) AF people could have been involved in any way with the nuke transport;

* what made the difference between the initially 5 nukes and 6?;

* isn’t it very unlikely/impossibly that nukes can be erronomous loaded on a B52? (accidently at the time plans are made for nuclear bunker busters for Iran, a.s.o.);

* who brought the initial erronomous news about related death AF people and why; were these mistakes, or deliberate cyber warfare in masking something?

The whole thing sounds like a bad screenplay.

Sandra Bullock…Julia Roberts or Halle Berry?

Minot AFB: deaths around illegal nuke flight -page 2
http://pim-fortuyn.nl/pfforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=53501&whichpage=2

See reaction 4:

B-52 Nukes Were Headed for Iran:
Air Force refused to fly weapons to Middle East theater

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Resuming: The story of subsequent errors that made 6 nukes illegally armed on a B52 for the first time since 1967, is very unlikely. And that at the hight of the Iran war plans, which include nuclear bunker busters for the heaviest bunkers.

A few articles:
US plans strike to topple Iran regime – report
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,1750678,00.html
“…In the New Yorker magazine, Seymour Hersh, America’s best known investigative journalist, concluded that the Bush administration is even considering the use of a tactical nuclear weapon against deep Iranian bunkers, but that top generals in the Pentagon are attempting to take that option off the table….”
The Iran Plans
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/04/17/060417fa_fact

From the former reply/article:
“… PROJECT CHECKMATE was leaked in an article by military analyst Eric Margolis in the Rupert Murdoch-owned newspaper, the /Times of London/, is a program that involves over two dozen Air Force officers and is headed by Brig. Gen. Lawrence Stutzriem and his chief civilian adviser, Dr. Lani Kass, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who, astoundingly, is now involved in planning a joint U.S.-Israeli massive military attack on Iran that involves a “decapitating” blow on Iran by hitting between three to four thousand targets in the country. Stutzriem and Kass report directly to the Air Force Chief of Staff, General Michael Moseley, who has also been charged with preparing a report on the B-52/nuclear weapons incident.
Kass’ area of speciality is cyber-warfare, which includes ensuring “information blockades,” such as that imposed by the Israeli government on the Israeli media regarding the Syrian air attack on the alleged Syrian “nuclear installation. …”

Cyber Command:
USA Central Cyber Command is now in Barksdale AFB, where the B52 nuke plane landed:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cyber+command+barksdale

=> The deaths around the nuke flight could be a distraction from the real issue; by hoaxing and stigmatising the whole subject. Some professional investigators / ‘conspiracy theorists’ -like above writer Wayne Madson and Alex Jones- haven’t published anything yet about those death airmen. From a patriot group I’ve got this message: “Alex Jones sais (on his radio station) he checked it out, and discovered much of the story was bogus. + I bet it’s a media psy op from the bad guys.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations
“… The purpose of United States psychological operations (PSYOP) is to induce or reinforce attitudes and behaviours favourable to U.S. objectives. …”
(& many associated groups can play these games)

However, next to a psyop related action, this could be an accidental erronomous reporting by amateurs too. Anyway; for msure is that it distracts from the real issue of the nuke flight.

The real story here, unsexy and unfortunate. Govt proceedure, red tape, and safety loopholes making it difficult to catch a mistake if one or two people choose not to do a job correctly. We need paperwork and proceedure to protect ourselves from making a mistake, but, at some point, there is so much of it, and so much demanded of the airmen to do…well, it becomes tedious and counterproductive. They can’t complete thier jobs step by step, complete thier paper work, and do it in a timely fashion. People pencil whip thier work at times. It only takes a couple of folks not doing thier job. Then the weapons pass on to the next step. The loaders have no way of telling if the weapons contain live warheads.(they have to trust) No WAY THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO USE. Maybe now that the mistake has been made that will change. And (may i speculate that) 18 year olds, even 21 year olds, do not always fully appreciate the gravity of thier work…what they are handling. The military often works on the philosophy you don’t have to know how to build a clock to tell time….I wonder how many less educated folks even knew about the treaty they broke.

Indeed; Sourcha Faal had some bizar articles in the past, mixing facts with some (military) “sources” no-one was able to check. So would Russia and China attack the USA if they dared to attack Iran.
Sourcha Faal might even be a code for False Source… A sort of psychological cyber warfare.

Not only Russia has this, the USA also has cyber warfare and crowd control techniques.

Another seemingly ridiculous article was that the 6 nuke were loaded on the B52, because of the “Chinese” hacker attack.

I would consider these issues as noise, distracting from the real issue: 6 nukes were illegal armed on a B52 and ‘missing’(not supervised) for over a day; 5 were initially reported what *could* mean that at that time still one was missing; deaths from Minot and Barksdale AFB that *could* be related.

Even possible reasonable conspiracy theories are distracting, like that the 6th (double missing) nuke was ment for a false flag 911-2B to start the (nuclear) war with Iran with, apply martial law, etc.

Ofcourse, the Admin thinking is/was to use nuclear bunker busters for the heaviest bunkers, at least in the military planning of attacking Iran (there are good sources stating that, however never published in the mainstream news).

And also it could be an operation to frighten Iran, as this week was ment to force Iran into the required negotiations.

If that doesn’t work, they just could withdraw all the troops and navy and do nothing. Or have a false flag ’911-2B’ in a lter stage. For example around or after 10-15 October, when the martial law exercise is held in the USA. But troops have to be withdrawn more and more in some months. So there will be an escalation before real amounts are withdrewn, or they’ll just leave.

The loaders have no way of telling if the weapons contain live warheads.

I’ll confirm that. I had a conversation with a retired military member who was involved in the chain of custody of nuclear weapons. He told me the same thing.

There has been much made of a list of people who supposedly died “mysteriously” who were associated in one way or another,

There is a much longer list of people that died, some mysteriously, that were associated with the Clintons in some way but there is no conspiracy theories from the left on these occurences.

Coincidence or contrary? Add this to the list.

HERE

don’t erronomous stigmatise the whole subject on minor errors.

erronomous: When you’re so stupid, you don’t want to sign your real name! We get a lot of erronomous commenters here!