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But since he was doing it for the kids, he gets a hall pass.  Since he was doing it as opposition to the hateful right wing of the Republican party, he gets a medal. 

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No, Rush just had his maid pimp drugs for him

Right, Andy.  Invoke Rush’s drug problems.  That makes it all better.

I’m not defending Rush here.  He got caught abusing drugs, and he paid the price.  His story isn’t all that different from that of millions of Americans who struggle with addiction.

But popping pills isn’t the same as stealing and fraud.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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andytriestochangethesubject: I’d try to change the subject too, if the scumbags who stole from children were from my political party!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

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The indictments came from a Hawaii grand jury?  Didn’t the alleged offenses occur in New York?  What am I missing here?

I am glad to see this slimbag brought to justice even though it took 3 years.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Rob,

So when will Senatorial Candidate Al Franken return the tainted monies paid to him by his former employer?

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Evan Montvel-Cohen, the founder of the failed liberal talk radio network Air America, was finally arrested in Hawaii for illegally diverting taxpayer dollars from a youth charity in New York to his then-failing and floundering radio network.

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The indictments came from a Hawaii grand jury?

Hannitized did mention working in radio!!!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

failing and floundering

Hannitized did mention working in radio!!!

(Look!  I can cut and paste without comment!)

Since he was doing it as opposition to the hateful right wing of the Republican party, he gets a medal. 

I detect partisanship.

Rob, you are the one who invoked Rush in your post.  You begged the comparison by bringing it up.  You ignore that Rush involved others in his drug use and acquisition of said drugs.

Right, Andy. Because an addiction to prescription pain killers is exactly the moral equivalent of stealing money from a youth charity.

Right Carrick because a conviction FOR PURCHASING DRUGS ILLEGALLY isn’t a crime!!???

Do you guys refuse to acknowledge the theft from a childrens charity?  It was funny at first but it’s really degraded from there. 

But Rush… But Bush… Rove…

Both sides have slime but if live in denial you can’t clean house and just fester.

Do you guys refuse to acknowledge the theft from a childrens charity?  It was funny at first but it’s really degraded from there.

Nothing is funny about that accusation.  Please refer to the last word in that previous statement to conclude my position on the alleged crime you speak of.

H needs to get educated on what “moral equivalence” is.

Both are crimes yes, but not morally equivalent.  Not that we’re in any real competition here, but stealing from children is getting to be pretty low-life.

The problem wasn’t with the “moral equivalency” aspect of your statement.  It was with your spin on the crime that was committed.

Limbaugh didn’t have a criminal record for being “addicted” to drugs.  Hell, it isn’t even a crime to to be “addicted” to drugs.  He was convicted for his illegal methods of supporting his addiction, or his illegal methods of buying prescription drugs.

Get your facts straight before you attempt to lecture me.

So your point, H, is that Rush’s addiction to pain killers is irrelevant to his committing a crime to acquire them?

That’s a pretty strange claim on your part.

Motive plays a role in judging the seriousness of a crime.  Rush had an addiction that he was feeding, and he made some pretty bad judgement on that.

What was your guy’s problem?  Sounds like greed to me.

A pity Eunichized fails (consistently) to follow his own advice ("Get your facts straight before you attempt to lecture me.")…

A the modern left, do as they say, not as they do…

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

He was convicted for his illegal methods of supporting his addiction, or his illegal methods of buying prescription drugs.

Really, convicted?  I don’t recall a conviction.  Could you provide some proof of this conviction?

And to make it really clear for you, I was discussing the issue of moral equivalency, which is related to but not the same thing as the degree of criminality of an act.  Had you understood that, yo would have grasped that I was stipulating that a crime had occurred, but was speaking to the morality of the two criminal act, and not arguing their legality.

If once in a while you gave other people credit for intellectual honesty, you might actually understand what they were really saying, instead of just finding something yet again to launch off in one of your patented tirades on.

Not that we’re in any real competition here, but stealing from children is getting to be pretty low-life.

I’m willing to concede that I am absolutely positive that someone who atleast voted republican did something similar at some time.  Can we now all get together and say this guy, and all who do similar, are scumbags?

I have a friend who became addicted to heavy pain killers after a back injury and subsequent surgery. It took a while but he gradually slipped into dependence, and then into full blown addiction.

He didn’t even realize it was happening until it was way too late. It was who, me? Addicted? Never!

He didn’t make a conscious decision to become addicted. The ass-clown subject of this post MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO STEAL AND DEFRAUD OTHERS.

That’s the difference.

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Motive plays a role in judging the seriousness of a crime. Rush had an addiction that he was feeding, and he made some pretty bad judgement on that.

What was your guy’s problem?  Sounds like greed to me.

So when a drug addict steals a car or jewelry to commit a crime he should be judged less harshly because he was an addict, only committing crimes to support his addiction?

You sound like a raging Liberal.  And this is why Rush was such a hypocrite on the issue.  Because he argued for just the opposite of what you are arguing.

To inversely quote Beardsley: The modern right, do as i say, not as I do…

Here’s a bit more back story on Montvel-Cohen. Notable quote:

A declaration released by the Office of the Attorney General [of Hawaii] stated that Montvel-Cohen has been indicted by a grand jury in Hawaii and was charged with first-degree theft, fraudulent use of a credit card, second-degree forgery, second-degree theft, and money laundering.

Sounds pretty serious.

The ass-clown subject of this post MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO STEAL AND DEFRAUD OTHERS.

And....the ass-clown comparative subject MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO BUY DRUGS ILLEGALLY and TO DEFRAUD.

H, how do you think first and second degree murder are distinguished both legally and morally?

How does that quote go?  Lots of sound and fury, but no substance.

BTW, I couldn’t care less what Rush has to say about anything.  That is the kindest way I can put that.

H,

Limbaugh was not “conviceted”.  “Get your facts straight” before you speak.  Or maybe you were lying like you accuse Rob and everyone else of doing when they misspeak, eh?  Oh, except for Obama of course.

He was convicted for

Speaking of getting your facts straight, H is wrong again.

He pled not guilty and the prosecutor allowed that plea to stand. 

Like all lefties “H” is an idiot.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Methinks H projects his own intellectual dishonesty upon his political opponents.

Apparently he thinks that if he makes up stuff about other people then his heroes crimes don’t matter.

I wonder if H knows this guy.  After all he claims to be in Hawaii and that’s where the indictment was handed down.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Even though it was Rob who brought up the Rush comparison I think Oliver North is more germane.

North stole from the American people, broke several laws, lied to Congress, and even skimmed off the top. But the right-wing contimes to cream their collective jeans whenever this convicted felon appears on Fox News.

How’s that for “moral equivalence,” bitches?

But the right-wing contimes to cream their collective jeans whenever this convicted felon appears on Fox News.

He is not a felon. None of that bogus prosecution stuck, all overturned on appeal.

Go look it up.

Let me make it clear that what Montvel-Cohen is charged with is despicable. He deserves to be indicted and, if guilty, deserves to go to the Big House.

Oliver North also deserves to go to the Big House. Do you see the connection?

No, of course you don’t. For you IOKIYAR. No matter what.

Oliver North also deserves to go to the Big House.

No, Oliver North was found innocent of any charges. 

Of course this Air America guy may be found not guilty.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Oliver North also deserves to go to the Big House. Do you see the connection?

Says who, you?

That counts for what, exactly?

He is not a felon. None of that bogus prosecution stuck, all overturned on appeal.

Wrong as always. North was convicted but his sentence---not his guilt---was commuted on a technicality.

How’s that for “moral equivalence,” bitches

Jack,

You appear to be greatly offended at the sight of your beloved H being rhetorically defeated.

Wrong, his convictions were vacated and then the charge dismissed all charges.  “Not Guilty.”

You lefties really do have an hard time with your facts.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Oliver North also deserves to go to the Big House.

Nah!  Anybody who can make simpering fools out of sanctimonious congressional Pooh-Bahs as North did the Dems “investigating” Iran/Contra, and can also make contemporary liberals twits livid and sputtering with rage at the mere mention of his name, deserves to have his own TV show.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One,

Amen.

Ollie remains a far better man than his classmate who currently sits in the Senate.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Rodney,

Amen to that as well!

Besides I can’t imagine that North wouldn’t have the balls to carry his own gun, rather than have an aide get arrested on his behalf and then deny he had anything to do with the incident or that the weapon was his own.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

North was convicted but his sentence---not his guilt---was commuted on a technicality.

Of course, you are completely wrong about that -

A Federal appeals court today suspended all three of Oliver L. North’s Iran-contra felony convictions and overturned one of them in a ruling that threw into doubt the entire case against the former Marine Corps lieutenant colonel.

In one part of the ruling, the divided three-judge panel reversed outright Mr. North’s felony conviction on the charge of destroying classified documents when he served as an aide to the National Security Council under President Ronald Reagan.

In another and potentially more far-reaching part of the ruling, the judges ordered the trial court to re-examine the evidence used against Mr. North at his trial. By this action, the court put all three convictions in suspension, or in a ‘’vacated’’ status, pending a review by the lower court to see if the evidence used to convict him had been tainted by testimony he had given Congress on the promise that it would not be used against him.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE0DE1738F932A15754C0A966958260

Heh, being granted immunity, and then using immunized testimony against him in a bogus prosecution.

Yeah, some ‘technicality’ alright.

Note that the sentences were vacated, not ‘commuted’, dumbass.

H, how do you think first and second degree murder are distinguished both legally and morally?

Another distraction.  Should people who steal jewelry because they are drug addicts get a lesser sentence because they are drug addicts, stealing to feed their addiction, yes or no?

Or, in your mind is there a 1st and 2nd degree theft? Heh.

How does that quote go?  Lots of sound and fury, but no substance.

You debate me as if you know my position.  I am just clarifying the fake one, you pretend to be in touch with, out of sheer political convenience.

BTW, I couldn’t care less what Rush has to say about anything.  That is the kindest way I can put that.

Cheers to that!

Limbaugh was not “conviceted”.  “Get your facts straight” before you speak. 

You mean write.  And yes, I was mistaken.  Rush was not “convicted” of the crimes he committed.  Big difference.

Or maybe you were lying like you accuse Rob and everyone else of doing when they misspeak, eh? Oh, except for Obama of course.

When did Rob get his facts wrong (again, you can’t misspeak on a blog)?  Are you finally admitting Rob got it wrong when he claimed Obama lied about his grandfather claiming to “liberate” Aschwitz?

H.

Would you be so kind as to acknowledge your lie mistaken reference to a conviction?

I think he’d rather continue his lies and baseless charges.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Would you be so kind as to acknowledge your lie mistaken reference to a conviction?

Of course I would.  I am one of the few on this site who is man enough to do so.  You can’t say the same thing for Rob, Proof, Robert......or yourself.  Can you?

Catch a liberal in a lie, they accuse others of doing so. 

Catch a liberal committing a crime (as he has now been charged) and the liberals defend him by pointing out made up crimes committed by others. 

Typical.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I think he’d rather continue his lies and baseless charges.

Um, you need to look up the word baseless sugar.

Limbaugh committed the crimes he was not convicted for.  Much like OJ was not convicted for murder.  Right?

Limbaugh committed the crimes he was not convicted for.

Apparently what he supposedly did wasn’t a crime.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

You see the difference is, if this Air America guy gets off I’ll drop it.

Much like OJ was not convicted for murder.  Right?

OJ was found responsible for their deaths in civil court, so I think you could responsibly say that he did it.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Can you?

Update: I mistakenly named Rep. Peter King of New York in the headline of the post as the person who made these comments.  Really it was Rep.  Steve King of Iowa.  My mistake, and the error has been fixed.

Now H, if you would, please be so kind as to correct your statement.

Finally, their shameful stealing of the youth charities’ money may be punished.

Communism is evil

Wrong link, I made a mistake.  Here is the correct one.

Oh, and for the sake of time consider my own admission of a mistake above.

Now H, if you would, please be so kind as to correct your statement.

Scroll up ^^^^^^^

Now, in the spirit of debate, it is important that you admit when you are factually wrong in each and every instance.  This is constantly over-looked by many at SAB.

Example range from;

Obama lied when he claimed his grand father liberated Aschwitz

to;

Obama lied when he claimed his uncle liberated Aschwitz

and;

Obama lied about…

and;

So on...never are these mistakes corrected.  Nor will you admit that Rob was wrong to state that Obama lied when he spoke about his Grandfather who served honorably in WWII.

Right?

Oh, and for the sake of time consider my own admission of a mistake above.

Again, it’s one thing to correct yourself on errors.  It’s another to admit you were mistaken while debating your opponent.  It takes character to do the latter.

Don’t think you are impressing anyone by admitting to linking to the wrong post.  You are getting petty and childish.

The discussion is about Air American’s founder being charged with a crime.  In response “H” makes unfounded accusations about a conservative in order divert attention.

When he gets called on it he tries to divert the subject again.

Too bad but the Air America guy is apparently a crook and Hannatized is a liar.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

H.  If you would, please provides links to these mistakes so that I can we can all see what you’re referring to.

Now, in the spirit of debate, it is important that you admit when you are factually wrong in each and every instance.  This is constantly over-looked by many at SAB.

You implied that Rob, Proof, Robert, or myself where not man enough to acknowledge mistakes.  I provide proof you were mistaken.  You then demand a each and every time rule be followed.  I couldn’t say that for anyone including youself given the fact that many times these “mistakes” are the subject of argument. 

H.  thanks for clearing up your mistaken use of the word “conviction”.

H.  if it will make you feel better, you can search through countless posts to find the times when I admitted factual error or mistakes when debating an issue.  I don’t have the time to do so, nor do I think it would make me any more of a man.

I will accept your word.  However, I would appreciate it if you could simply admit that there is an error on the post about Obama’s grandfather.  He did not lie about his grandfather being part of a liberating party of Aschwitz, because he never stated that he was.

Do you admit that Rob was mistaken?

I think it’s more about you lying on this thread and now trying to change the subject.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler,

It seems that Eunichized is rapidly descending to “blackwater"boob levels of factual accuracy and reticence to correct.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Do you admit that Rob was mistaken?

I admit that Obama made a mistake and has done so on so many occasions that it is difficult to say what the facts really are, and because of this confusion, I don’t know whether or not Rob was mistaken.

And Hillary! wasn’t lying about receiving sniper fire in Tuzla…

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

I think it’s more about you lying on this thread and now trying to change the subject.

Oh lord!  If it wasn’t for the predictability of idiots like Whistler on the right, I would almost have respect for conservatives.

Sadly....

I admit that Obama made a mistake and has done so on so many occasions that it is difficult to say what the facts really are, and because of this confusion, I don’t know whether or not Rob was mistaken.

That could almost be a believable excuse if it wasn’t for the fact that Rob makes those types of mistakes 100 times more regularly than he misinterprets Obama’s statements.

And Hillary! wasn’t lying about receiving sniper fire in Tuzla…

Oh, look.....Beardsley attempted to make a contribution.  Adorable.

Actually, Hillary’s adventures in self-serving story-telling have quite a bit in common with Obama’s recent exercises in fiction.

In both cases, a candidate well to the Left of mainstream America was trying to ingratiate themselves with voters in the center whose votes will be urgently needed, in Hillary’s case the need is more immediate, by concocting stories of heroism and small-town, middle-American familiarity with which to reassure potential voters that questions about their patriotism and their respective lack of experience in foreign affairs and national security really shouldn’t be that big a concern.

Neither candidate’s argument was especially persuasive and in both cases the ploy was so laughably transparent the candidate had to go back o the record and acknowledge having “misspoken” which is a polite euphemism for getting caught making up shit with which to impress the public.

No doubt, Hillary’s more ardent supporters are similarly savaging Obama’s clumsy embellishments while forswearing their own candidate’s ulterior motives, but Rodney’s comparison is both insightful and accurate.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Eunichized the beardless boy blunder offers:

Oh, look.....Beardsley attempted to make a contribution.  Adorable.

And in so doing demonstrates his lack of factual accuracy once again, since the ratio of Rod’s blog contributions to Eunichized’s contribuutions remains undefined to this day!

Do keep up the good work on your credibility there, Euunichized.  It’s about the only way you’ll make Obama look relatively truthful.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”