Afghanistan a Dilemma for the Ditherer-in-Chief

KANDAHAR AIR FIELD, Afghanistan
Sitting in an air-conditioned office within this gargantuan NATO encampment in southern Afghanistan, a U.S. officer pointed to a map of Kandahar province that indicated, with small, rectangular boxes, where soldiers deployed by President Obama earlier this year were now operating.
There were two battalions to the north of Kandahar city. Another to the far south. Canadian forces were going to swing to the west. About 5,000 new U.S. troops in all.
“But there, there and there,” the officer said, pointing to towns just outside a belt where the Americans and Canadians were stationed, “and there,” putting his fist on the city, which with 800,000 residents is the country’s second-largest population center, “we don’t have anyone.”
If more forces are not forthcoming to mount counterinsurgency operations in those parts of the province, he concluded, the overall U.S. effort to stabilize Kandahar — and by extension, the rest of Afghanistan — will fail.
“We might as well pack our bags and go home . . . and just keep a few Predators flying overhead to whack the al-Qaeda guys who return,” he said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue. “There’s no point in doing half-measures here.”

No point in doing half-measures. How about voting “present”? Will that do?

As Obama and senior members of his national security team plot the way forward in Afghanistan following Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal’s assessment, and in anticipation of the general’s expected request for as many as 40,000 additional troops for the war, the starkest choices may be the president’s best options. The most dangerous course, according to some military strategists and diplomats in Afghanistan, is what Obama often gravitates toward: the middle ground.

The Ditherer-in-Chief hasn’t been able to live up to his campaign rhetoric. Now, faced with defections from his health care takeover by the antii-war left wing of his party, Obama is faced with the choice of which campaign promise to break, while his indecision fuels more deaths in Afghanistan.

All the options Obama faces in Afghanistan are unpalatable. With Iraq, when presented with a set of troop-withdrawal timelines this year, the president took the middle way. He has shown similar instincts on health-care reform and the detention of terrorism suspects. With Afghanistan, however, that may be the most perilous path.
…Although the middle ground is often safe political terrain, it can be the riskiest spot on the battlefield.

Unfortunately, the greatest risk will not be for the man sitting behind the desk at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, behind bullet proof glass and Secret Service guards. He might be forced to write his next memoir early. Some of the boots on the ground in Afghanistan may not be fortunate enough to be around to read it.
Hat tip Rich Lowry
Cross Posted at Proof Positive

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  • http://Array DINO

    I’ve never seen anything quite as disgusting as you shitstains relishing a quagmire to score political points. A quagmire bush got us into.

    I wish we could send every last one of you people to Afghanistan forever. I hope that all the young men sent are republicans.

    You really are vile subhumans. The absolute worst creatures on the planet.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Go back to studying what ever the fuck you study

    Lying Courtesan: Screeching like Dino will not win you any points here.

    We haven’t taken Afghanistan seriously since we went into Iraq and now you assholes want to blame it on Obama.

    Blame Obama? ADD afflicted Lying Courtesan may not remember all the way back to the campaign of last year, but candidate Obama was telling us that Iraq was “distracting” us from the real war on terror which was in Afghanistan. Do I need to dig up the quote and tell you what Barack H. Obama (not me – pay attention for once in your life!) said about the war in Afghanistan?

    Here, for the pseudo intellectuals like Lying Courtesan, who might not be able to remember back to last August, is what Obama said:

    This is not a war of choice. This is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which al Qaeda would plot to kill more Americans. So this is not only a war worth fighting. This is a — this is fundamental to the defense of our people.

    -August 17, 2009

    A war of necessity. Worth fighting. Fundamental to the defense of our people.

    Now why don’t you, Lying Courtesan, go back to studying what ever the fuck you study. And try to color inside the lines this time, okay? And don’t eat the crayons!

  • DINO

    You’re scum. The worst people on earth.

  • carrick

    Djer:

    The vast majority of citizens don’t want the Afghanistan war to last “the long haul.”

    So hell yeah. Haul ass and run away, regardless of the strategic consequences! Standard liberal MO.

    No good can come of continued occupation. We’ve seen that time and time again.

    Germany, Japan post second war.

    No good? We’ve seen it time and time again?

    FAIL.

  • Lioncourt

    Afghanistan has been a problem for the US for 9 years and a problem for any invading army for 2000 years.

    How come you are just noticing now?

  • carrick

    Nice cheerleader you have there, Lioncourt. I’m sure it helps liberal morale.

  • Lioncourt

    Another question.

    Do you really think that the last 7 months has been the tipping point? That up until than we were successful?

    McChrystal asked for a new strategy as well as for more forces.

    New strategies don’t happen in one month.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    How come you are just noticing now?

    I don’t know, what it’s the Ditherer-in-Chief flitting about to Europe and appearing on Letterman and a myriad of Sunday shows who hasn’t got time to meet with his commanders in the field. Maybe it’s because a month ago, Obama himself stated how important the war in Afghanistan was and now he’s making noise about getting out and leaving the job unfinished.
    Maybe it’s because someone stupidly changed the ROE over there and it’s getting our young men and women killed needlessly.

    Maybe nine months ago, we had an adult as Commander-in-Chief with some military experience who could be trusted to support our fighting troops in the field. What do you think?

  • DINO

    The Taliban seem strangely rejuvenated since Obama came into office.

    So has the American right wing scum.

    Coincidence?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    They’re using the war as a political tool.

    That’s what makes them conservatives.

    So when Obama tells his top military officers not to make a “formal request” for troops to the White House, you don’t think there are any “politics” involved there?

    Denial is just a fever swamp in Portland.

  • Lioncourt

    I’ve been watching it all along, and it remains imminently winnable.

    The Taliban seem strangely rejuvenated since Obama came into office.

    Coincidence?

    If that is your assessment that I call Bullshit.

    You have not been watching it.

    The Taliban was well back in the poppy fields by 2007.

    They were back in the cities by mid 2008.

    You don’t know what the fuck you are talking about other than to be partisan.

    Go back to studying what ever the fuck you study, you are probably good at that. But as far as military matters you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.

    You probably consider Fox News a good military news source.

  • carrick

    What is the biggest challenge facing the Alliance within Afghanistan?

    I would have said maintaining the trust of the Afghanis both for the US and (especially problematic) for its own government.

    What is the biggest unsolved strategic problem facing the Alliance?

    The Taliban refuge within Waziristan of course.

  • carrick

    I’ve been watching it all along, and it remains imminently winnable.

    The Taliban seem strangely rejuvenated since Obama came into office.

    Coincidence?

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    It’s pathetic.

    What’s pathetic is a low life POS like you Dino, who posts pictures of people dying on 9/11 and then crowing about how pleased you are with Republican stock traders dying.

    BTW, Dino, the straw men you throw up about what conservative are doing aren’t very convincing. (“Throw up” is a natural reaction to Dino, come to think of it!)

  • Lioncourt

    “The cities” All of them you retard? And “back in the cities” means what? And control the cities now?

    Primarily I mean Kabul and Kandahar. But it is worse in other Afghan cities.

    But really what I mean is that we have sat on our ass in Afghanistan for the last 5-8 years and now you partisan hacks are going to try to blame this on Obama.

    You claim to have been watching this for years. Give me one fact that is not widely known.

    No American knows what is going on unless you bother to read international press, which I do. Afghanistan has not been going well since long before Obama became President, you are just noticing it now.

  • carrick

    WTF does “back in the cities” mean, Lioncourt?

    You won’t spell it out.

    I notice you punted on my questions, because as I figured, for all your bluster, you are truly clueless.

  • DINO

    They’re using the war as a political tool.

    That’s what makes them conservatives. There’s no depth to which they’ll stoop. That’s why we need to join them in the gutter where they reside.

  • carrick

    djer:

    And just where will we get all those soldiers

    We have a lot more soldiers than that available.

    It’s time to let Europe have those bases back for one thing.

  • Lioncourt

    So are you saying the Taliban are in complete control of Kabul and Kandahar. US soldiers can’t visit there now?

    Did I say complete control? I think I said they are back in the cities. Which is bad enoough. It means that the Afghan citizens don’t trust us.

    Yes, we have enough power that we can control a green area around our compounds, but it doesn’t help us win the war.

    You want to blame this loss on Obama, we haven’t had adequate troop levels there for at least 4 years and probably longer.

    We haven’t taken Afghanistan seriously since we went into Iraq and now you assholes want to blame it on Obama.

    This has been going south for at least four years and this is the first time you deign to notice, yet you want me to believe that you have “followed” this war. Bullshit. You don’t know what the fuck is going on. You haven’t followed anything outside your lab, not Iraq, not Afghaninstan, nothing

  • carrick

    Lioncourt:

    Actually Ghengis Khan failed in conquering Afghanistan.

    That’s not what any historical account says. They all say after a bloody conquest that the Monguls ruled for 300 years.

    You don’t know that?

  • DINO

    What I said was the war is winnable

    Sitting there in your swamp, you have no way of knowing SHIT.

  • carrick

    You want to blame this loss on Obama, we haven’t had adequate troop levels there for at least 4 years and probably longer.

    The biggest strategic challenge we face isn’t going to be solved with more troop levels inside Afghanistan. And without solving that, the war will drag on for years.

    Oh yeah, until you liberals decide it’s time to cut and run.

  • Lioncourt

    WTF does “back in the cities” mean, Lioncourt?

    You won’t spell it out.

    It means that the Taliban has substantial influence within the major cities. What more do you want me to spell out.

    I notice you punted on my questions, because as I figured, for all your bluster, you are truly clueless.

    I don’t know what questions I missed, but I believe it is possible. I am a little drunk (maybe even alot).

    The biggest strategic challenge we face isn’t going to be solved with more troop levels inside Afghanistan.

    Than we must solve a problem that has not been solved in the last 3000 years. However, you seem to think you have solved it.

    And there is a strategic factor you have left out, the single most important strategic piece of the puzzle.

    Since you’re so much more informed than me, wonder how you missed that?

    Please explain what everybody has missed for the last 3000 years.

    I’m guessing it was not missed, just wasn’t mentioned.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Dino projects:

    You really are vile subhumans. The absolute worst creatures on the planet.

    And yet there breathes no conservative alive as vile and hateful as Dino!
    Suck on your hatred until you choke, Dino. As twisted as you are, they won’t bury you when you die, they’ll have to corkscrew you into the ground!

  • Lioncourt

    The Mongols solved it, so it has been solved within the last 3000 years.

    Actually Ghengis Khan failed in conquering Afghanistan.

    What is the biggest challenge facing the Alliance within Afghanistan?

    Building a pro-west society.

    What is the biggest unsolved strategic problem facing the Alliance?

    Figuring out how to make them pro-west while not allowing them to grow poppy.

    Probably not the answers you were looking for.

    What are your answers?

  • carrick

    Lioncourt:

    It means that the Taliban has substantial influence within the major cities. What more do you want me to spell out.

    OK, so how do you measure that “substantial influence”? This is so damned amorphous it could mean anything.

    Than we must solve a problem that has not been solved in the last 3000 years. However, you seem to think you have solved it.

    The Mongols solved it, so it has been solved within the last 3000 years.

    And “I” haven’t claimed to have solved anything, how one fights insurgencies is well documented within military literature. Are we following our own doctrine? Not so much.

    The two questions are:

    What is the biggest challenge facing the Alliance within Afghanistan?

    What is the biggest unsolved strategic problem facing the Alliance?

    You should be able to get the first, at least sober. Obama could tell you the second, if you don’t know it.

  • Hannitized

    Lioncourt,

    It has nothing to do with adding more troops to fight an “insurgency”, I can tell you that much.

    I am also looking forward to Carricks response. It’s credibility time Carrick.

  • carrick

    Um yeah, Lioncourt.

    So are you saying the Taliban are in complete control of Kabul and Kandahar. US soldiers can’t visit there now?

    If all you’re saying is the Taliban can make a suicidal mission and set off a bomb before they die, or hold a mosque for a few days, well whoop-fuckity do! That’s a propaganda stunt that gets innocents killed, it is almost impossible to stop if they are willing to die for it, but it has absolutely zero strategic value, and you should know better than trying to make an argument otherwise.

    But really what I mean is that we have sat on our ass in Afghanistan for the last 5-8 years and now you partisan hacks are going to try to blame this on Obama.

    I didn’t say one way or another what we did or didn’t do, so don’t try and project your ideas onto me. What I said was the war is winnable, not that we were on the best path to win it (note I also didn’t say that we couldn’t win using the path taken before Obama).

    What I said that pissed you all off was that Obama was taking a war that was winnable and turning it into one that couldn’t be won.

    No American knows what is going on unless you bother to read international press, which I do.

    Oh horse manure.

    You’re using the mainstream press as a reliable source of anything? They all have agendas and wrt the international press, one of those agendas is to play down the prowess of the US and its military.

    I do read the international press, I never watch or read Fox News, bit I see the 95% alarmist rhetoric designed to sell copy for what it is. You see it as The Truth and stop there. Must be your intelligence officer training, huh?

    I’ll admit there is an erosion that has gone on in Afghanistan, one that is threatening us more than a few bombs in Kabul. But you haven’t hit on what it is, for all of your smary talk.

    And there is a strategic factor you have left out, the single most important strategic piece of the puzzle.

    Since you’re so much more informed than me, wonder how you missed that?

  • carrick

    Lioncourt, you’re just all pissed off because your president is turning a winnable war into a losing one.

    They were back in the cities by mid 2008.

    “The cities” All of them you retard? And “back in the cities” means what? And control the cities now?

    That’s an accurate description of the current situation on the ground? Or even an accurate description “by mid 2008″.

    What are you doing, writing propaganda rags now?

    That’s how you were supposedly trained as an intel officer?

    GMAFB.

    This is the most dishonest and disgraceful piece of tripe I’ve seen you write yet

  • EnigmaCypher

    The problem with building a functioning government in Afghanistan is that their trying to install a democracy which is a stupid thing to try to do in a country like that. 99% of the time Islam and democracy are not compatible. They ideal type of government for Afghanistan would be something akin to the Ottoman Empire.

    As for troops dying over there it pisses me off. I voted for George Bush in 2004 yet he did one hell of a lot of things that pissed me off. Labeling the war as an ‘insurgency’ for one thing.

    Flood the area with soldiers and establish a government that Afghanistan is compatible with. Then bring the troops home.

    Each one of them is worth more than a thousand Obamas.

  • sayanything-4625

    What is the biggest challenge facing the Alliance within Afghanistan?

    Building a functional government and making the population believe we won’t cut and run, that we are in for the long haul.

    This man illustrates what I mean better than I can so I’ll let him speak….

    http://afghanquest.com/?p=362

    Functional government does not mean a little America. It means

    an Afghanistan with a rising economy, dropping unemployment, a growing standard of living, climbing literacy rates and ever higher standards of education. It means an Afghanistan where there is a basic rule of law and where the citizens feel relatively safe in their homes and neighborhoods and where nearly all feel that there is some access to justice. This means that one of the basic services is security; the ability of the populace to live without threat or intimidation.

    The people of Afghanistan don’t really like the Taliban anymore than we do. If we can provide them with stability, the Taliban and the insurgency will lose.

    One more key; the Afghans really need to know that we are here for the long haul with them. Our history in the past half century doesn’t bear this out, but it’s time to show the world that we can keep going even when our head hurts and helping ourselves means helping someone else first. There are a lot of Americans who resent spending a cup of urine to extinguish a flaming neighbor, bewailing whatever other purpose they may have had for that cup of urine. Think about how those people feel when it is tax dollars they could be using for some pet project. We’ve got lots of those types, too. They often have headaches and think themselves truly brilliant analysts, too. Don’t even get me started about how they pretend to give two shits about my life or my family, though. They don’t. That’s just political fodder for them. The Afghans need to know that we are not quitters any more; that our word actually means something. The meaning of a person’s word has lost something in our society, but not in theirs nor in the eyes of the rest of the world.

    Can we achieve this? Yes, but it will commitment. The question is, are we willing to commit? If not, we need to get out right now.

  • Mickey

    Just add Afghanistan to Obama’s growing list of failures.

  • carrick

    This is not a war of choice. This is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which al Qaeda would plot to kill more Americans. So this is not only a war worth fighting. This is a — this is fundamental to the defense of our people.

    Obama is 100% correct, here. Too bad somebody else wrote for him, and he doesn’t appear to believe it himself.

    The real problem is the dude is concentrating only on domestic problems, and his insurance reform initiative is right now sucking out all the oxygen out of every other initiative he’s proposed.

  • djer

    And just where will we get all those soldiers. Are we going to send them off for a 5th and 6th deployment or will the people on SAB volunteer to go back.

    Bush ignored Afghanistan for years and then decided to start a needless war with Iraq. Also, for your addled memory, Bush tooks months to decide on what to do when the Iraqi war was out of control. So, Poofie, Obama isn’t dithering.

    The vast majority of citizens don’t want the Afghanistan war to last “the long haul.” No good can come of continued occupation. We’ve seen that time and time again.

  • 2Hotel9

    Poor djerk, too stupid to read, too slow to catch up.

    I notice that dinothefakehomo and sanni made yet another thread all about them. Their “fuck America” attitude is quite obvious for all to see.

  • djer

    I see that hotel with the pottymouth is up early today. I see you ignored the substance and went straight for the attack as usual with you.

  • 2Hotel9

    Ah, djerk is crying again! Whats wrong? No pictures of dead babies for you to jackoff over?

    If by substance you mean your anti-American lies and bullshit? Really? That is the best you got, whiny lying cunt?

  • DINO

    I read the comments from the stems and I don’t see any real concern for the war, troops or America’s safety. No, the stems are all about finding something, ANYTHING to use against Obama.

    That’s all you people want to do. That’s what you live for. It’s a single-minded pursuit of personal destruction just as you did with Clinton, just as you would be doing with anyone who defeated you in an election.

    It’s pathetic.

  • robert108

    Actually, dino, it isn’t necessary to even try to find things wrong with Obama’s administration. We are treated to them on a daily basis, week in and week out, on TV and in the newspapers. He is arrogant, egotistical and incompetent, and he screws up everything he tries to do.
    It requires no effort at all, just repeating his lies as he tells them is enough.

  • rog

    Just fly to copenhagen with two fat assed women and ignore your duties,… no problem.

  • DINO

    You don’t give two shits about the war or anything except your single-minded sore loser bitterness.

    You’re destructive, awful subhumans.

  • robert108

    It’s always funny when lefties like dino change their tune about war when a Dem is in office. They were trying to get us to cut and run from Iraq when President Bush was in office, but now that Obama is fumbling Afghanistan so badly(like he has everything else), now they claim to care.
    Pure hypocrisy.

  • ellinas

    I’ve been watching it all along, and it remains imminently winnable.

    The Taliban seem strangely rejuvenated since Obama came into office.

    Coincidence?

    Carrick on September 30, 2009 at 09:44 pm

    Spell it for us rubes how it remains imminently winnable.

  • robert108

    I’m sure he meant “eminently”.

    Have you started your “civil debate” yet, ellinas? You know, where you argue your position with facts and logic, then reply to the other side?

  • ellinas

    Have you started your “civil debate” yet, ellinas? You know, where you argue your position with facts and logic, then reply to the other side?
    robert108 on October 1, 2009 at 10:32 am

    I have asked a question, and all I get is this bullshit answer from you. Why?

  • robert108

    So, no “civil debate” from you yet, eh?

    You have no argument, only picking on a wrong word selection, while ignoring the larger issue at hand, which is victory in Afghanistan. When do you start your “civil debate” on that issue? What’s your position on victory in Afghanistan?

  • ellinas

    So, no “civil debate” from you yet, eh?

    You have no argument, only picking on a wrong word selection, while ignoring the larger issue at hand, which is victory in Afghanistan. When do you start your “civil debate” on that issue? What’s your position on victory in Afghanistan?
    robert108 on October 1, 2009 at 11:05 am

    I have asked a question, and all I get is this bullshit answer from you. Why?

  • sayanything-4625

    The problem with building a functioning government in Afghanistan is that their trying to install a democracy which is a stupid thing to try to do in a country like that. 99% of the time Islam and democracy are not compatible.

    I agree with you. We may have to find some sort of hybrid or install a government that the Afghans can still follow. It must provide an Afghanistan with stability, security and the rule of Law. If it turns out that is an Islamic type government so be it.

  • 2Hotel9

    Note that none of these leftards will own what their political ideology has done in Afghanistan. Whats wrong? You assholes are getting Americans and innocent Muslim women and children killed, which is exactly what you claim you want, so why no proud proclamations of victory?

  • sayanything-2483

    A quagmire bush got us into.

    Rancid garbage eventually decays, the old fag is losing it.
    WASHINGTON (CNN) — Saying “there will be no sanctuary for terrorists,” President Clinton on Thursday said the U.S. strikes against terrorist bases in Afghanistan and a facility in Sudan are part of “a long, ongoing struggle between freedom and fanaticism.”
    Too bad Clinton never followed through.
    http://www.cnn.com/US/9808/20/us.strikes.01/

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