Abortion Wasn’t Above Obama’s Paygrade In 2001

Don Surber notices that back in 2001, when Obama was an Illinois State Senator, he was apparently paid enough to make judgment calls as to when life begins. But now Obama says that such judgments are above his pay grade.
Are we to believe that Illinois state legislators make more than US Senators? And US Presidents? Or can we all just agree that Obama is a moral coward who was trying to hide his extreme views on abortion from a mainstream political audience?
On a related note, Rush Limbaugh suggested on his show today that some enterprising reporter should ask Obama if he gets paid enough to make a judgment as to when his daughters’ lives began.
That’d be an interesting question to see answered.

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  • http://Array Ace25

    The guy is as Pro Death as they come. He voted 3 times for infanticide.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Apparently he was against giving babies that survived abortion care. This has be revealed by a people in Illinois.

  • Pomerdorgrad

    Like interest, his lies compound daily.

  • Ace25

    one more you tube from the O'Reilly Factor
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9duXeLahkV4

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/realitybasedbob/ realitybasedbob

    You mean this Billow Reilly?

    <img src="http://i33.tinypic.com/n66bfb.jpg&quot; border="0" alt="Image and video hosting by TinyPic">

    <img src="http://i35.tinypic.com/2rnvgqw.gif&quot; border="0" alt="Image and video hosting by TinyPic">

    What a great voice for conservatives to follow.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

    Seems that every time the subject is Obama, some partisan Obama supporter comes around and tries to change the subject.

    Hey, let's talk about O'Rielly's purported sex talk now because such things matter now that Clinton is no longer President. Back then, the operative truth was that such things were a "private matter" and that the rape accusations all came from "bimbos".

    Barack who? We don't need to talk about him. It's not like he's going to be President anyways.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    What a great voice for conservatives to follow.

    I don't watch or listen to O'Reilly, but follow? I don't think so! No more than the brain dead left "follows" Herr Olbermann!

  • Hannitized

    This is just more lies piled on to some mischaracterizations:

    Obama was asked HIS OPINION on the question. He doesn't know because he is not Go, despite how much you wish we believed that.

    On the interview he wasn't asked about a bill and what impact the bill would would have in a legal sense, if it were to be passed.

    If you read the article that traces back from your link you can see that the bill Obama was supporting specifically asked that the bill NOT make a determination when a child gets human rights.

    "…That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it — it would essentially bar abortions, because the Equal Protection Clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute."

    That June, the U.S. Senate voted 98-0 in favor of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act (although it failed to become law that year). Pro-abortion Democrats supported it because this language was added: "Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive as defined in this section."

    So it was supported by all….98-0.

    Yawn.

  • Hannitized

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24354

    I should have provided the link…..and here is some more info.

    Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer explained that with this language the "amendment certainly does not attack Roe v. Wade."

    On July 18, 2002, Democratic Sen. Harry Reid called for the bill to be approved by unanimous consent. It was.

    98 to 0.

    Yawn.

  • Ace25

    [quote]and if this is a child,

    If it's not a child, what else could it be? And if it is a child, why doesn't it have the same rights as others?

  • Hannitized

    Ace,

    Are you suggesting someone might think it is a dog? The question is was Obama talking about when should a child receive human rights. His argument was to suggest that language was needed not to create a war on Roe v. Wade.

    His use of words was not to argue when a child should receive human rights. Obviously since he voted to give the rights of protection in that situation.

  • Hannitized

    Should read:

    Are you suggesting someone might think it is a dog? The question is, what was Obama talking about when he argued if a child should these rights? His argument was to suggest that language was needed in order not to create a war on Roe v. Wade.

    His comments were not related to when a child should receive rights. This was a particular case that, in the end, stated this law would specifically not speak to answer the question of when life should receive legal status.

    This quote only affirms Obama's position. You just have to be smart enough to understand.

  • Ace25

    I am saying, if it is a Human baby, then why shouldn't the human baby have the rights the rest of us do? including the right to life.

    In 2000, Congress took up legislation to make it clear that infants born alive after abortions are persons under the law. The National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League opposed the bill as an assault on Roe, but it passed the House 380-15. Back in the Illinois state Senate in 2001, Obama spoke out against and voted "present" — effectively "no" — on a similar bill, aligning himself with the tiny pro-abortion rump of 15 congressmen.

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTM0YjY4OGJm…

  • Hannitized

    if it is a Human baby, then why shouldn't the human baby have the rights the rest of us do?

    Well that is a different argument than what they were voting on. I suppose that could be an interesting debate were it up for discussion.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    That is, actually, what they were debating Hannitized. That is what the entire abortion debate is about.

  • Bat One

    Rob,

    Let's not confuse the discussion (and H) with facts. His purview is strictly rhetorical.

  • Hannitized

    Rob,

    The abortion debate is about when life begins and Roe v. Wade. The issue that Obama was debating was for a bill that is specific to a certain situation, not abortion in general.

    Obamas position was to SUPPORT THE BILL, and also to ensure that the support of the bill should not be construed to affirm, deny or expand any legal right…..oh nevermind…scroll up I am not repeating myself because you are slow.

    I doubt any of you are sophisticated or honest enough to continue debating this with facts and logic.

    The bill was not on Roe v. Wade…..don't be childish.

    And bat, you are wisely staying out of this debate, aren't you?

  • Hannitized

    While Liberals voted to support the bill, as they should, they were specific to not make any claims legal or otherwise when a child is to receive human rights.

    It is pretty straight forward, unless you are dishonest or slow. The question is which one are you fellas?

  • RebTex

    "While Liberals voted to support the bill, as they should, they were specific to not make any claims legal or otherwise when a child is to receive human rights."
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    .ahhhhhh…THe side that can't decide when a baby should have Human Rights, but are CERTAIN that enemy combatants should have Constitutional Rights the instant they're taken into custody in another part of the World!

  • Hannitized

    Reb,

    You might have a point if the bill to give rights to the new-born wasn't supported 90-0.

    But…….

  • RebTex

    I was eluding to the pro-choice side's lack of concern for a developing infant's Rights but stomp feet over a terrorists "rights".

  • http://insanereindeer.blogspot.com/ Kenny

    Yes, Hannitized. We all know the bill passed unanimously. Which means Barack Obama is more pro-death than even Naral, NOW, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

    What a turd.

  • Hannitized

    Yes, Kenny, because voting in support of the bill….makes you a killer?

    That June, the U.S. Senate voted 98-0 in favor of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act

  • neo

    For the sake of others reading this, I want to explain the issue b/c "smear-o-cons" have filled the web with this for weak minded people to fall prey to. In the interest of full disclosure, most of this is already at Factcheck.org. I have summarized some of the points made there and added a few of my own:

    At issue is Obama's opposition to Illinois legislation that would have defined any aborted fetus that showed signs of life as a "born alive infant" entitled to legal protection, even if doctors believe it could not survive. Obama opposed the 2001 and 2002 "born alive" bills as backdoor attacks on a woman's legal right to abortion, but he says he would have been "fully in support" of a similar federal bill that President Bush had signed in 2002, because it contained protections for Roe v. Wade aka "the neutrality clause."

    The National Right to Life Committee ("NRLC ") released a statement Aug. 11 saying it had obtained proof that Obama was misrepresenting his 2003 vote by stating that the Illinois "born alive" bill that he voted against in committee lacked the neutrality clause. Obama, then said the NRLC were "not telling the truth. Because the bills accorded human rights to pre-viable fetuses (that is, fetuses that could not live outside the womb) as long as they showed some vital signs outside the mother, abortion-rights groups saw them as the thin edge of a wedge that could be used to pry apart legal rights to abortion.

    Obama has said several times that he would have supported the federal version of the bill, which passed by unanimous consent because it contained the neutrality clause. The NRLC accuses Obama of infanticide and offers evidence that the bill Obama voted against in committee (SB 1082), was amended to contain a "neutrality clause". The documents NRLC put out are a "Senate Republican's staff analysis" and a handwritten roll call confirming that the amendment was adopted.

    The assertion that the Bill was amended turns out to be true, however, the amendment was a last minute change done in Obama's absence by the Illinois republicans. Brock Willeford, an Illinois Senate Republican, stated that he wrote the document immediately after the committee meeting and that he was in the room at the time of the votes. Assuming Obama knew of the amendment, he still voted against the Bill but offered a different explanation. He asserts that even with the same neutrality clause, the state bill would have a different effect than the federal bill. He argues that the state bill is state law, not federal law, and so it actually regulates the practice of abortion in Illinois. So a bill defining a pre-viable fetus born as the result of abortion as a human could directly affect the practice of abortion at the state level, but not at the federal level. Obama also argues that the bill was a political game because there are already laws in Illinois that protect these children even when they are born as the result of an abortion. Illinois compiled statute 720 ILCS 510/6 states that physicians performing abortions when the fetus is viable must use the procedure most likely to preserve the fetus' life; must be attended by another physician who can care for a born-alive infant; and must "exercise the same degree of professional skill, care and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as would be required of a physician providing immediate medical care to a child born alive in the course of a pregnancy termination which was not an abortion." Failure to do any of the above is considered a felony. Not surprisingly, the NRLC and Illinois republicans calls this law "loophole-ridden."

    And in fact, the 2005 version of the Illinois bill, which passed the Senate 52 to 0 after Obama joined congress, not only included the neutrality clause, it included an additional protective clause that states that: "Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affect existing federal or State law regarding abortion." This statute, supported by Illonois repblicans, gives stronger protection to the Roe v Wade decision.

    The fact is that this is an attempt to smear Obama by suggesting that he supports infanticide. Nothing more, nothing less b/c the very Bill that Obama said he would support with the changes he suggested was passed a year later after he left for congress.
    Obama's critics are free to speculate on his motives for voting against the bills, and postulate a lack of concern for babies' welfare. But his stated reasons for opposing "born-alive" bills have to do with preserving abortion rights, a position he is known to support and has never hidden.

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

    Nice to see the BHO staffers posting on SAB. Wow, because NEO says its true means it has to be true, boy I am convinced. The fact that they are responding to it means they are getting dinged for Barry's abortion stance.

    So while we are debating facts why is it that NOBAMA is obstructing people on finding out about his connection to domestic terrorist and criminal William Ayers. Did NOBAMA launch his senate campaign from Domestic Terrorist William Ayer's house? Are you going to tell us the same tired message that BHO was only 8 years old when Ayers and his group were bombing about 2 dozen sites in the USA?

    I just love these army of minions that are trying to squash free speech by forwarding lies by the NOBAMA campaign.

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