Abortion Doctor George Tiller Shot To Death Outside His Church

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Rob,

the difference is the rule of law. Right now, unfortunately, abortion is legal in this country and Dr. Tiller didn’t do anything illegal.

I agree with you and your opinion on this murder. He was not doing anything illegal, but the morality is a different matter.

I also don’t have any complaints about us targeting Saddam. But we didn’t try to assassinate or kill/target Saddam. We dropped a lot of bombs that killed innocent people. Calling it war, is not much different than murder, especially if our demand was for him to turn over something he did not have in order to prevent the bombing.

So, if you condone the war with Iraq, then you condone, murder for murder. In an indirect way.

studakota

Good, The idea that a convicted murders life is more important than a little baby, struggling to survive, is disgusting to me. We need to come to terms with the problem of over-population. China, though they’ve been excoriated for doing so, is doing the right thing. The Vatican is doing the wrong thing. How can a leader look out on a throng of,perhaps one million, most below 15 years of age, and promote, abstinance, alone? Imagine, if we allowed religious doctrine to determine the size of our goat herd, , or the size of a steers’ horns? They once did, don’t you see and they want to ,again.

http://www.valleydeals.com/cgi-bin/board2/YaBB.pl Kevin

Kharma’s a bitch.

http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

“Dangerous nutjobs” = applied to conservatives because ONE guy killed ONE abortionist.

“Compassionate liberals” = those who advocate and support the murder of over 3,000 babies daily.

Is this Hell? Seriously? Shit is upside down in this stupid and fucked up world.

galefan2004

On a side note, RvW is an OUTDATED concept. RvW is not a part of the constitution. RvW was a MISTAKE. The reason RvW was a mistake has NOTHING to do with abortion. The reason RvW was a mistake is because the constitution does not specifically mention that the federal government has any right to get involved in the issue of abortion, and until an amendment is added that gives it power in that issue, ABORTION IS A STATE RIGHT, and should be decided by the individual state with the federal government having NO say what-so-ever in the matter. Strict adherence to the constitution and state’s rights should be the most important basis for determining law in this country.

2Hotel9

Lik? We is on the same page.

I am evil because I stopped people from killing the innocent. George Tiller is a saint of the world because he willing murdered 60,000 babies.

Go figure.

Bat One

TheTodd,

The convoluted disconnect in logic is yours, not Rob’s. Saddam Hussein was tried in an Iraqi court, found guilty of mass murder and hanged… legally. Adolph Hitler committed suicide at the end of a world war which he himself started. Had he survived and been captured he would have stood trial at Nuremburg with the other Nazi high officials. Osama bin Laden has also declared war on the US. If he is killed it will be a consequence of that war. If he is captured, he will be tried by a military tribunal in accordance with the law.

Your attempt at moral equivalence is horseshit.

Neiman

Killing Tiller was murder, “Thou shalt not kill (do murder),” this act is condemned by God and while He will judge Tiller’s soul independent of this act, the killer of Tiller (pardon the pun) must pay the price for comitting First Degree Murder, plain and simple.

On the other hand, if we say that we deposed and killed Hitler and Saddam because it saved innumerable lives, how can we then be morally consistent and say that it is wrong to kill a person (Tiller) who murders innocent human beings in the womb, to save the lives of millions of innocent children? Is it the numbers one killed versus the other? Is it because in one case we call it war and in another we do not? Remember, Hitler, Mao, Stalin and others killed children outside the womb. Where is the dividing line?

We (The State) through various abortuaries, all financially supported by tax dollars, murder over 1.5 milliuon innocent human beings each year. Since 1962 that totals over 50 million cold blooded, first degree murders, how do those numbers work against the numbers Stalin, Mao or Hitler murdered?

Yes, it was murder in Tiller’s case, of a serial, mass murderer; and his killer must be and will be punished, both here and probably in the hereafter; but, our society must come to terms with the idea that we murder innocent human beings (abortion) in the womb every day and as a people we call it good (or at least acceptable), yet when Hitler, Mao and others kill in great numbers, we call it bad! Which is it?

Hannitized

Legal or not, this was justice.

To those worried about the family, *shrugs*. The man was evil. There’s just no two ways about it.

likwidshoe on May 31, 2009 at 08:44 pm

Like it or not, Roe v Wade established abortion as a non-prosecutable procedure. So calling a doctor who performs them a murderer is a non-legal opinion. Following that path, animal rights activists consider researchers murderers, and the right to kill them becomes legitimate. Start applying that to other situations with which some disagree, and will be proactive to eliminate the “perpetrator, and you have anarchy.

ec99 on May 31, 2009 at 11:53 am

Liqwid knows not of what he supports and the damage it will bring to our country.

carrick

WOOF:

Waterboarding terrorists isn’t torture,
right?

Well you’ve made it clear you want it to be and are willing to do whatever is necessary to make it so, including changing the meaning of words in the English language as necessary.

A thing doesn’t have to be vilified to be a wrong. Only simpletons like yourself need everything to be so black and white.

dawneyr

Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Saddam and so forth murdered people and could’ve (per Scripture) had their lives taken by capital punishment, which was declared by God. This would be assuming the presence of laws and leaders that are in accordance with God per the Scriptures–not a theocracy, but a system designed to be fair and just per God’s knowledge and love for mankind. That kind of leadership is rare if not extinct these days with much proof in the propagation and government funding of abortion. Saddam was given a trial and justifiably condemned to death in a time of war, which is different than someone taking it upon himself to kill another.

The hypocrisy is that the murdering of babies is legal while the murdering of churchgoers is illegal.

The problem lies in the heart of mankind, something we are far too eager to follow, whitewash, and exalt these days. As the Bible says, in the last days, the love of many will grow cold. This is in direct relation to the rejection of God and Scripture. God is love and we hear all kinds of well-meaning people talking about God and love but ignoring what God says. If we loved one another and told the truth to one another about the origins of life and consequences of ignoring God, then we wouldn’t want to kill our babies, and we wouldn’t want to kill one another. We would have a culture that mostly values life and God-designed sex within the context of marriage. There would be fewer murders (including abortions) if we were listening to God.

As a nation, we have turned away from God, and we are just beginning to reap the consequences. We could find relief, grace and forgiveness by repentance (something that “kharma” cannot offer, Kevin), but that is a matter of will, and interestingly enough, a matter of choice.

Pilgrim

The word above should be “statute”, not “stature”.

Duh.

J.L.

“Obviously we knew it was because he had WMDs.” You mean those same WMDs that most top Dems also thought he had? Ok, those. And the WMds were one of about 12 reasons to go to war. But keep pulling out the tired, old, Dem talking points.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

Whoever did this is no hero. They’re a murderer.

Good try at sincerity.

This is why conservatives are considered dangerous nutjobs. Why they should be monitored and possibly locked up en masse.

TheTodd

Rob Port wrote:

You can’t oppose murder with more murder.

Abortion is murder. So is shooting doctors. One is not better than the other.

You’re not being logically consistent here.

Seeing as you believe there’s no moral distinction between 1st degree murder and abortion, I don’t see how it’s possible to condemn the killing of George Tiller while supporting the killing of Bin Laden/Hussein/Hitler etc.

What, to you, is the crucial difference between assassinating Dr. Tiller and assassinating Osama Bin Laden?

http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

It’s kind of doubtful he’s checking in at the Pearly Gates.

It’s quite possible that those “Pearly Gates” are the entrance into something quite evil. Just look around at this world. It is full of evilness. The “Creator” has created a playground where evil reigns supreme. George Tiller just may be going home, through the “Pearly Gates”, back into the hands of his architect.

Regardless, it is now no more for George Tiller. Forever 67. It’s a damn shame that he lived as long as he did. Countless lives will now be saved because of his no longer being with us. Those lives may or may not end up getting murdered under another abortionist’s knife, but there is no way to know something like that. It is a good thing that George Tiller is no longer alive to ply his deathly trade. Good riddance.

docdave

This doctor’s life had the same constitutional protections as unborn baby’s lives should have.

That’s the whole crux of the abortion problem, that the unborn have no constitutional protections. Until they do those that oppose abortion have little recourse.

galefan2004

I don’t believe he should have been murdered. I do believe that the law should have dealt with him. What he did was murder and genocide. He killed babies that were undesirable to society (same as Hitler). He killed babies in cases where the mother’s life was in danger (if you aren’t willing to endanger your life for your children you should not be allowed to get pregnant). I don’t condone late term abortions (or calling them what they really are — MURDER), but I do believe that abortion is acceptable UNTIL the fetus can survive on its own outside of the mother’s body.

TomTom

You reap what you sow…Tragic as it my seem..the shooter probably SAVED a couple of THOUSAND babies lives.

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Of all Conservative causes, I am somewhat ambivalent on abortion. Within the first three months of pregnancy I can understand the woman’s liberty interest in not taking the fetus to term, if she is unwilling or unable to care for it.

Not that I personally agree with her aborting her child, even within the first trimester, but I understand that she has a liberty interest in exercising that choice. Granted, even on a bad day, she could simply have the child and give it up for adoption.

Beyond, what must be an arbitrary cutoff date, more a legalism than one based on medical or spiritual reasons, then the ever-maturing fetus has its own liberty interest in being born alive.

Ultimately, it would seem that the balance would be tipped in favor of life over convenience.

Yes, it was legal for the Doctor to perform late-term abortions, even if morally and spiritually it was reprehensible and tantamount to serial murder, sanctioned by the State.

Perhaps if the shooter had not used a gun, but instead have had the doctor forcibly held to the ground, the base of his skull pierced with a set of scissors and then his brains sucked out, the message that this was retribution would have been clearer.

Hannitized

This in no way brings “condemnation on anti-abortionists everywhere” but some, especially the media, will cast it in such a deceptive light as to use the uncharacteristic action against supporters of life and the second amendment.

Because the fact that an anti-abortionist murdered somebody who performs abortions legally is not news, or the truth?

Huh?

http://sayanythingblog.com/ likwidshoe

If you say his murder was justice, then you support it.

Support what? I’m just happy he died and met his justice. It is poetic justice that the murderer Tiller got murdered himself. Familiar with that term? It means that he got done the same way that he did others. His comeuppance came by his own method, Ã la murder. Understand?

Sorry bro, but it isn’t a “bitch move” to point out what you have said.

It’s a bitch move to say that I support that of which I have explicitly said that I don’t. And yet you insist, so it apparently matters not what I believe or say. You’ve got your own narrative and no amount of facts or rebuffing from me about what I really believe will change what you claim I believe, will it?

“Hannitized”, life is easier if you’re just honest with yourself and others. Try it sometime! It won’t hurt you. I thought that maybe you were growing up and maturing in these matters, but perhaps I was a bit quick in that assessment and hope. *shrugs* You’re going back on ignore because you’re a waste of my time.

ec99

Like it or not, Roe v Wade established abortion as a non-prosecutable procedure. So calling a doctor who performs them a murderer is a non-legal opinion. Following that path, animal rights activists consider researchers murderers, and the right to kill them becomes legitimate. Start applying that to other situations with which some disagree, and will be proactive to eliminate the “perpetrator, and you have anarchy.

Hannitized

Liqwid,

If you say his murder was justice, then you support it. You say you celebrate the result yourself.

You have endorsed this behavior whether you admit it to yourself or not. The fact that you do not understand this is not MY problem.

Sorry bro, but it isn’t a “bitch move” to point out what you have said.

Pilgrim

By the way, suitepotato:

I won’t shed a tear, either. Not the point. Murder being murder by law is the point.

Jason Thomas

I wonder if the hard core lefty pro-abortion crowd feel as bad about the death of tiller as they do about the many children he has murdered? Somehow, I seriously doubt it.

Neiman

Just so you know, Suitepotato, your condoning the murder of this abortion doctor is doing a lot to help the pro-abortion movement.

Did you ever notice in almost every situation in recent months, Rob hangs his hat on the Conventional Wisdom of the Left and almost never on any principle for which he is willing to suffer something in its defense?

ec99

“This would be assuming the presence of laws and leaders that are in accordance with God per the Scriptures–not a theocracy, but a system designed to be fair and just per God’s knowledge and love for mankind.”

Have you bothered to read God’s commands in Numbers and Deuteronomy in regard to killing men, women and children of conquered cities? Guess not, since that doesn’t jibe with your view of a “loving” god. Nevermind his wiping out of all the earth with the exception of Noah and family.

Hannitized

It’s one thing to say you don’t shed a tear for the guy, it’s quite another to claim justice was served.

Until you understand better the concept of justice, you should not use the word to describe behavior you do not claim to endorse.

jusâ‹…ticeâ€‚â€‚[juhs-tis] Show IPA
–noun
1. the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness: to uphold the justice of a cause.
2. rightfulness or lawfulness, as of a claim or title; justness of ground or reason: to complain with justice.
3. the moral principle determining just conduct.

dawneyr

This accomplishes absolutely nothing except to bring condemnation upon anti-abortionists everywhere

This in no way brings “condemnation on anti-abortionists everywhere” but some, especially the media, will cast it in such a deceptive light as to use the uncharacteristic action against supporters of life and the second amendment.

In a civilized society, Mr. Tiller should never have been acquitted for the murder upon murder that he committed. People like Obama who voted over and over to withhold medical care from abortion survivors are the people that have created a mindset that the murdering of babies is an acceptable form of population control. The blood of Mr. Tiller is on the hands of his murderer as well as on the hands of those who condone and promote infanticide.

What the assailant did to Mr. Tiller was contemptible murder. Will he be acquitted?

I pray for comfort and peace from the Lord for Mr. Tiller’s family.

FedUp

Nope – 2 wrongs don’t make a right, but 3 rights make a left! Tiller was courting danger for the past 20 years. I don’t condone murder, but I wish to reflect upon all the murders that this man committed and never paid for.

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“Hannitized” – Liqwid knows not of what he supports and the damage it will bring to our country.

Your point, as is normal when you make an assuming ass out of yourself, is null and void. I do not celebrate the method and have made no mention of doing so. What I celebrate is the result.

“Hannitized”, the next time you think you’ll go on about what you think I support, how about you stop and read to see if I made any mention of support? Capiche? You’re often making false claims upon my name as well as upon others here. It’s a bitch move, and you do it all of the time.

Hannitized

It’s a bitch move to say that I support that of which I have explicitly said that I don’t. And yet you insist, so it apparently matters not what I believe or say. You’ve got your own narrative and no amount of facts or rebuffing from me about what I really believe will change what you claim I believe, will it?

First off, Liq, if you had ever said you don’t support it, we wouldn’t’ be having this conversation. Read what Rob and Pilgrim said. That is what explicitly saying you don’t support this action looks like.

Poetic justice is different than justice.

You owed an explanation, quit expecting me to read anything else other that what you have typed or expressed.

Quit holding me responsible for your inability to clearly state what you wanted to say. It’s a bitch move.

Hannitized

You can’t oppose murder with more murder.

But wasn’t that exactly the case of the Iraq war? At least that is the spin version we get now.

Obviously we know it was because he had…..ehem….WMDs. But since we came up with ZIPPO…..you guys now claim the war, included with all it’s murder of innocence, saved lives.

So which is it? You can’t have it both ways.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus Last Best Hope

it reflects the breakdown in a legal recourse to justice when vigilantes start working…seems this Dr. had excellent lawyers and the courts failed to stop his ongoing murders of the innocent.

America is a power keg of pent up rage re:justice denied.

Pilgrim

For all of you who are using some kind of moral equivalence here….this is a point that shouldn’t be missed: Despite the controversy and the fact that what he did is morally reprehensible, it was still legal in Kansas.

He violated no law, at least not in the legal sense. The issue of moral law is another matter.

Whoever killed him committed murder which is by stature illegal in Kansas. Was he a disgusting human being? In my opinion, absolutely. BUT – like I said before, two wrongs don’t make a right.

In the piece I said that this issue should be worked out in the courts and not by a gun. I stand by that statement.

The point was made above that many babies will live becuae of this. No, they won’t, and that argument rings hollow. Someone else somewhere else will do the same thing. Until we get this hideous issue put away by law, it won’t change.

Not as long as it is legal.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/america_is_back/#c397018 DINO

After what happened with Miss California, it won’t be long before they’re after you too.

I have no problem with that young woman’s opinions. But on a side note, there seems to be a backstory of homosexual issues.

http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/ goon

The left will use this as a tool to take guns from people and blame the right and talk radio, Rob is right it’s murder.

Hannitized

Or rather, we both know what the definitions used that apply to the laws of torturing under the agreement we signed.

Your meaningless, and random definitions do not apply.

Brent

You can’t oppose murder with more murder.

Abortion is murder. So is shooting doctors. One is not better than the other.

Can you oppose (a potential) murder / conspiracy to commit murder / an accomplice to murder with torture?

http://www.myspace.com/thekingscourt4u Gman

You reap what you sow…Tragic as it my seem..the shooter probably SAVED a couple of THOUSAND babies lives.

I don’t condone it, but I didn’t see it as a surprise. I wondered when it would start. The powder is dry, and the fire has started. Just a matter of time for it to blow.

Speaking of Blow.

This is why conservatives are considered dangerous nutjobs. Why they should be monitored and possibly locked up en masse.

Hey Captain Anus. After what happened with Miss California, it won’t be long before they’re after you too.

AR-15

But wasn’t that exactly the case of the Iraq war?Â At least that is the spin version we get now.
Obviously we know it was because he had…..ehem….WMDs.Â But since we came up with ZIPPO…..you guys now claim the war, included with all it’s murder of innocence, saved lives.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

Sorry H, your side said the EXACT same thing the Bush administration said. Facts are facts, give it up already with the lefty spin of “Bush lied about WMD’s”. He used the same intel Pres. Clinton boasted about having.

http://www.myspace.com/thekingscourt4u Gman

You can call water boarding torture all you want, but it doesn’t compare to being cut apart piece by piece, in the womb and thrown in a trash bin.

Be careful what you condemn, especially when it could come back to bite you.

Water boarding a terrorist, or putting a criminal to death after a trial are completely different than killing an innocent unborn baby who has not had a chance to do anything in their life. No chance to prove what they can be with loving parents.

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It is a good thing that George Tiller is no longer alive to ply his deathly trade. Good riddance.

He’ll not be missed, except by Kathleen Sebelius , who he gave over 400K to in campaign contributions. A kind of justice was served today. I wasn’t too surprised.

sayanything-5371

It’s kind of doubtful he’s checking in at the Pearly Gates.

jimmypop

So, if you condone WAR with ANY WAR, then you condone, murder for murder. In an indirect way.

FTFY

and youre totally correct (hope you dont mind my changes). i am all about paying (via my taxes) killing people to save my families life. we need to do it more so they know to stay away from americans.

the crazy prolifers like lambs of christ MUST think ANY life is sacred, but for some reason they dont. its just just life they like. hypocrisy. BTW, these people are NOT ‘right’ wing. they are BIG government… it just so happens their government is their god.

the majority of people who think abortion is murder also have no trouble killing off our enemies civilians (yes, i know we purposefully dont target them in ANY way) while saying killing a mass of cells is somehow evil. sure, they say their ‘really sorry’ it happened or whatever, but thats TOTAL bull. most of the people we at war kill 1- DID NOTHING TO US, 2- NOR WOULD THEY EVER HAVE THE MEANS TO HURT US and 3- PROBABLY DONT CARE WHAT WE DO UNLESS THIER DICTATOR TELLS THEM TO!!!!! hypocrisy. either life of innocents matters or it doesnt. pick a direction and stick with it for goodness sakes!!!!

my position is this; kill our enemies and tell government to stay the hell out of my home.

ec99

For those who shed no tears for a murdered person because you believe his acts were immoral, and therefore society suffers no loss, you are now in line with the IRA, ETA, the Weathermen Undergraound, and yes, the Taliban. When you define your own morality, no matter what the legal system proclaims, and feel some satisfaction over his death, you must then accept that any terrorist action taken by anyone, because that person was morally outraged, is ok. Think Oklahoma City.

george

this man should have been treated no more and no less that sadamn or hitler

Hannitized

Carrick, we both know what the laws say that apply to torturing prisoners from other countries. Your meaningless definitions from obscure websites do not apply.

Arthur Trafford

Dear concerned citizens of the United States of America:

Today we witnessed an end to the death ministry of Dr George Killer (oops, Tiller). Dr. Tiller and Hitler had very much in common; they both waited for the winds-of-change to blow favorably in their direction. Changing Judiciary votes, preying on the amoral mindset of the majority or minority of our population, all contributed to the victimization of hysterical pregnant mothers (over 30,000,000 who became men’s “Pleasure toys”), who later realized they are pregnant.

Dr Tiller and his assassin are both guilty of crimes against humanity, they are both serial killers. One just has more notches on his gun than the other one does! And neither one is a victim, for they both gave their life to an unworthy cause. Dr Tiller no longer has the option to repent, but hopefully his assassin will.

A wanted unborn = A life birthed child
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Ask God and the person you mated with to forgive you, forgive yourself and live the abundant life!!!

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andophiroxia

dawneyr:

As a nation, we have turned away from God, and we are just beginning to reap the consequences. We could find relief, grace and forgiveness by repentance (something that “kharma” cannot offer, Kevin), but that is a matter of will, and interestingly enough, a matter of choice.

I think it’s more of a prophetic piece – not necessarily in cryptic gibbering, but just an illustration of history and the consequences of such actions. When we stop looking at human beings as something more than animals, or that we refuse to even act human (more on the animal level rather than

When you look back in history, you notice people to the same things over and over again, thinking they will get same results. Oftentimes, it is dismissed by people like ec99 as simple mumbo-jumbo or religious nuttery. However, overlooking the religious aspect and how history intermingles with the oral traditions of religion (one of the many aspects), you realize that these were the consequences of things that humankind chose to ignore (no matter what religion or what belief you espouse). Sodom and Gomorrah weren’t of God hating gays, it was more of what happened to SOCIETY when there were no boundaries, restrictions, and standards.

I love this quote from Orianna Fallaci:

“The moment you give up your principles, and your values, you are dead, your culture is dead, your civilization is dead. Period.”

Liberals already took away the right to life from the womb. As for Dr. Tiller, I did not agree that he was killed in the way he did. However, there was some controversy considering some late-term abortions that he performed considering the “mental health” of the patient. However, I am sort of dubious regarding the mental health aspect – as it has been used by liberals to excuse all sorts of bad behavior (drugging of a majority of small boys “diagnosed” with ADD and ADHD), rather than valid medical and diagnostic analysis.

I did find this quote ironic though:

The case became a cause cÃ©lÃ¨bre for both supporters and opponents of abortion rights. Columnist Jack Cashill compared the trial to the Nuremberg Trials of Nazi war criminals,[22] while NYU Professor Jacob Appel described Tiller as “a genuine hero who ranks alongside Susan B. Anthony and Martin Luther King Jr. in the pantheon of defenders of human liberty.”[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tiller

2Hotel9

And let me, one more once, make my position clear. Abortion is a medical procedure. My problem with it is government funding of it. Do y’all grok?

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Legal or not, this was justice.

To those worried about the family, *shrugs*. The man was evil. There’s just no two ways about it. May George Tiller forever burn in Hell. Fuck him. No mercy. No forgiveness. No peace.

*shrugs* I’m not about to be very tactful to those weeping over this evil man.

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Tiller got what he deserved: Death. The man is despicable and will rot forever in hell… but it is a shame that it took vigilantism. He should have been brought to trial and condemned as the mass murderer he is and then taken out back to meet the firing squad.

2Hotel9

galefan2004, given the fact that he was THE proponent of partial birth abortion, a medical procedure that is only used on late term, viable babies in order to harvest their organs, your argument has no merit. Period. Full stop.

andophiroxia

When we stop looking at human beings as something more than animals, or that we refuse to even act human (more on the animal level rather than…

…than what we are able to do. Override our own biological programming.

Sheesh, my connection is bad tonight.

2Hotel9

A nationally prominent abortionist killed at church? Was it a Satanic church?

carrick

Hanntized:

Carrick, we both know what the laws say that apply to torturing prisoners from other countries. Your meaningless definitions from obscure websites do not apply.

Typical of liberal retards like yourselves, you are incapable of independent thought and if your party bosses tell you it’s to be called “torture” today, so be it.

If you want to use the word “torture” either legally or in the vernacular, what was done to two prisoners at Gitmo doesn’t qualify for that definition.

I don’t expect you to be capable of either rational thought or honesty though, so carry on with your meaningless drivel.

2Hotel9

Bin Laden is also under sentence of death from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. And to carry the consistency a step further, Roeder should be taken from his cell and hanged by the neck until dead. He has confessed, proudly, that is enough for me.

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You can’t oppose murder with more murder.

Abortion is murder. So is shooting doctors. One is not better than the other.

This doctor’s life had the same constitutional protections as unborn baby’s lives should have.

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Hannitized:

You can’t oppose murder with more murder.

But wasn’t that exactly the case of the Iraq war? At least that is the spin version we get now.

the difference is the rule of law. Right now, unfortunately, abortion is legal in this country and Dr. Tiller didn’t do anything illegal. If we had made abortion illegal, and if Dr. Tiller had ignored the law, he could be held accountable for that under the law. He’d be given his due process rights, and once he got due process his others rights could be removed up to and including his life.

Saddam Hussein was a different matter. He was ignoring international sanctions. He was murdering his own people with impunity. He was given chance after chance to reform, or even step down and live in exile, and he rejected them all. So he was deposed, given a trial, and executed per the laws of the elected government that replaced him.

The two situations are not even remotely alike.

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Just so you know, Suitepotato, your condoning the murder of this abortion doctor is doing a lot to help the pro-abortion movement.

And, personally, I believe in inalienable rights. My fellow citizens may be able to deny me those rights at times, but that’s called “tyranny.” It doesn’t mean I don’t have them.

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Suitepotato:

Again your simplistic tendency for absolutism gets in the way of reality.

Sorry, but we have such a thing as the rule of law in this country. As Pilgrim notes, murdering this guy was illegal. And rightfully so. I don’t want to be a part of a political movement that condones murder when it fits the politics.

I think abortion is murder. I think it is reprehensible. I think it should be illegal, and those murdering unborn children should get their day in court and be convicted.

That’s called “due process.” It’s a constitutional right, and this doctor had that right.

If you don’t respect the right to life of abortionists, how can you respect the right to life of unborn children?

I’m not an absolutist. I’m consistent. I don’t abandon principle because of emotion.

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There’s no reason to have any sorrow over anyone who pushes their society, daring them to respond. You mess with humanity, you pay the price.

You really do think your species is all sunshine and berries, don’t you?

You’re animals, pure and simple. You have a well defined and well documented nature. It doesn’t matter what you think you’ve built. When your people lose sight of why they made it, and what it takes to maintain it, they no longer will.

Kill children and claim you have a constitutional right to do so, do it over and over with bravado going on about the constitution, and the people you enrage you tempt to strike back. Eventually they come to see the constitutional right you stand upon as there strictly to allow people like you to assault their sense of propriety.

Claim you have a right to free speech and use that speech to annoy and insult and assault people for your own jollies, and eventually the people you upset for your amusement will see the right to free speech as doing nothing but coddling annoyances.

When the people see the principles that greatest nation on Earth was founded upon as doing less for them than they do for others who offend and annoy them, they will no longer see those principles as worthwhile.

This so-called doctor’s first sworn principle was to do no harm and he with all knowledge of what he did and intellectual capacity to see it violated that in spades.

I have no pity for him. NONE whatsoever. Jackoffs like him have been contributing to the decline of our entire civilization. Do I approve of the killer? No. Am I surprised someone did that asshole in? No. Do I feel bad? No. The time for feeling bad is long since over.

We have a population of more than three hundred million living pretty much right on top of each other. The world has six billion. Information flies fast and free. There’s no time to pause and reflect and let emotions burn out. Gone are the days of a lone tradesmen telling you of great events a hundred miles down the trade route that happened long enough ago that even if you were enraged it is far too late to do anything.

Now, the annoying and upsetting is instantly right in your face. Right in the face of the most violent species in planetary history. A species that has nuked two cities of its own people and went on with their lives as if nothing happened. A species that kills millions of their own kind and jots it down in their history books as a footnote.

That species would be yours.

As the population builds and the emotional and informational immediacy of life gets faster, people have less and less time to think, less and less chance that learned discipline will outweigh their passions.

The more you push, the ever more likely it gets that someone is going to push back.

This doctor pushed and someone pushed back. It’s going to keep happening more and more until society gets a grip and stops the social warfare of absolutism, of acting simply for their own petty emotional needs for attention and treating human life like it is expendable and worth less than their game playing.

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Rob:

It’s a constitutional right, and this doctor had that right.

Again you miss the point as I expected, precisely because you are an absolutist which means intellectually simplistic and shortsighted. Sorry, but it is exactly true and I won’t screw you by lying.

There are no such things as rights. Only things you get to do because your fellow man says you may. When your fellow man stops believing you may, then you may not unless you all by your lonesome have the might to make right. I guarantee you don’t.

Rights only exist in the human mind but they depend on other humans agreeing with and believing in them.

Drive your fellow man to stop agreeing and believing, they cease to exist.

What does it take to get through? Do you really think the USA is forever? It’s been here a little over 200 years. Rome lasted THOUSANDS and it is gone too.

When the people stop believing, it’s over. This doc helped to convince them to stop believing. You are way past the point of rights and principles. If you want to save the republic, it has to mean something again and if you think that it does to a country that would sleepwalk through the voting booth and put someone with zero history into the office of the president, then you’re supremely naive.

Again, I’m not going to do you a disservice by lying about it Rob. You’re not thinking far enough ahead and running on a lot of false assumptions. Wake up and see how close everyone is to just saying fuck everything.

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Rob:

You can’t oppose murder with more murder.

That depends on your definition of murder. When someone kills and won’t stop killing, killing them is called justifiable.

I’d say this man had it coming and I won’t shed a tear.

Rob:

This doctor’s life had the same constitutional protections as unborn baby’s lives should have.

Again your simplistic tendency for absolutism gets in the way of reality.

If you abuse a mistake of society to kill over and over again, sooner or later one or more of your fellow citizens on whose opinion of the importance of the constitution the implementation of that which is embodies is dependent might change their opinion and decide that which it embodies is entirely optional.

That is where this society is headed. It is headed towards pushing each other until they common people no longer regard the constitution as anything more than a relic of a bygone era to be held in contempt for all the extremities people pushed their world to in its name.

If you cheapen the constitution with absolutist mentality, doing things strictly because you want to impress upon others how much power you have, just because you want to show them what a piece of paper says you can get away with that annoys and enrages them, then you stand to make them no longer regard that paper as of any importance.

The constitution has absolutely no importance whatsoever intrinsically. It has to have the meaning given to it and we’re rapidly getting to the point no one will.

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Pull some people out of the pews Sunday.
Waterboarding terrorists isn’t torture,
right?

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Did you ever notice in almost every situation in recent months, Rob hangs his hat on the Conventional Wisdom of the Left and almost never on any principle for which he is willing to suffer something in its defense?

Huh?

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I just wanted anyone’s opinion on if I was in the wrong here, and what any of you guys would have done in this situation. So my wife is quite liberal and I’m more on the conservative side, and she’s about 3 months pregnant. She can’t work right now, so I’ve been forced to support her as of late. The thing is that about a week ago she started asking me if she could borrow $400, and being pretty secretive about the reason why. I soon found out that $400 was the average cost of a back alley abortion, which is ridiculous considering that she knows how vehemently pro-life I am. After refusing to give her the money and the countless hours of arguing that ensued, I ended up making a comment about how if she wanted to do something liberal with $400, she should take advantage of Obummer’s “ ARRA,” so that “instead of murdering our kid, he can have satellite internet at a smashing price!” (I linked it so you can actually see it’s about $400 in taxpayer money that our President chose to waste on this s**t, aren’t I so funny hah). The messed up part is that she went and told her dad, who happens to be just as liberal as her, and who also happens to own the house that we’re renting. To make a long story short, my tenancy has been “suspended” from his house (I’m now staying at my buddy’s place until this thing blows over) and he gave her the money to get the abortion. I haven’t talked to her in almost a week, so it’s pretty safe to say that she has already gone through with it. So my question is, do you think I was being inappropriate for mocking my wife and father in law’s political ideologies, or do you think I’m being unfairly persecuted because of my relative conservatism, and the Obummer joke I made has little to nothing to do with this? I’m thinking the latter.

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oh God. he was from church and he is an abortionist? how sad anyway, was he still practicing such profession before death?

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