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Saturday, December 08, 2007

AARP Of North Dakota Comes Out Against Tax Cut Initiated Measure

AARP of North Dakota has come out against the initiated being sponsored by Americans for Prosperity to cut North Dakota income taxes by 15%. Here’s their press release entitled “Think Twice Before Signing Petitions:”

AARP North Dakota is urging voters to think twice before signing petitions that would put two measures on the ballot. One of the measures would cut corporate and individual income tax rates, while the other would restrict government spending increases. Those objectives may sound appealing, but AARP opposes both measures because they would hamper state and local governments’ and school boards’ ability to respond to emergencies or shifting priorities.

“The rule of thumb is if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is,” says Linda Wurtz, AARP associate state director for advocacy. “We encourage members to look beyond the one-line selling points for these petitions to the long-term impact they would have on North Dakota.”

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Income taxes are typically the most progressive of state taxes, that is, they are based on one’s ability to pay. Sales and excise taxes, however, are usually regressive, taking a higher proportion of income from low-income people than from high-income people. Property taxes are the most burdensome for retirees because they continue to increase over time.

State fiscal experts advocate a balance among these “big three” revenue sources as a way of avoiding the severe revenue fluctuations of business cycles and limiting competition between neighboring states with different tax rates.

If income taxes are reduced, the burden for running the state will be shifted to the other two primary revenue sources.

Essentially, what AARP is saying is that if we cut income taxes other types of taxes will have to be raised in order to make up the lost revenue.  Now that might make sense if North Dakota’s budget were running pretty close to even, but given that the state ran a budget surplus in the hundreds of millions last session and is projected to possibly run a surplus that may be over $1 billion this upcoming biennium, does this argument even make sense?  Of course not.

The simple truth is that the North Dakota state government has more many than it needs, so rather than let the legislators and Governor spend that money we need to make them give some of it back.

Which is why AARP is against the whole thing.  See, groups like AARP exist for one purpose: To pry as many tax dollars at of the government as possible in the form of entitlements and other things in order to serve their dues-paying constituency.  They’re a lobbyist group interested in expanding the size and scope of government, so of course cutting taxes comes as an anathema to them.  They don’t want you to have more of your money so that you can spend it on what you want.  They want the legislators they lobby to have that money so that it can be spent on the things they want.

To say that the tax cuts that would take placed should this initiated pass would create hardships for the state government requires us to believe two things: 1) That the hundreds of millions of dollars of budget surplus the state is enjoying isn’t enough money and 2) There is absolutely no wasteful spending that could be cut to make ends meet.

I think you’d have to be pretty naive to think either of those things are true.

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The alternative is to continue on this ever bigger government which is going to bankrupt us all.

The governor claimed that he’d spend the money and we’d get property tax relief.  So after a massive increase in school funding who’s property taxes went down?

The governor claimed that tuition was too high so he’d spend a massive amount of money on higher education.  Did tuition go down?

More spending is not the answer to too high taxes.


[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


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The Whistler on December 8, 2007 at 04:14 pm
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ND property taxes are too high primarily because the Republican fascists, led by Fish Farm Failure Eddy Schafer, decided that the best way to get fascist control over the citizens was to undermine education by deliberately underfunding it as much as possible. An uneducated voter is a brainwashable voter. Anyway, this forced the local communities to raise property taxes to keep their schools going.

I agree that there should be no surplus because that surplus should have been used to finally start funding education and other things that were underfunded during the depressing Fish Farm Eddy years.

But, hey, go ahead and cut income tax by 50%. Then we will see what happens to property taxes at the local level. And we will also see what happens when state workers are forced to go without a cost of living raise because there is no money AGAIN like what happened a few years ago.

This tax cut is nothing more than a way to gain fascist control over the citizens. If you destroy government and the privatize everything, the people will no longer have any say whatsoever in what happens.

Socialist on December 8, 2007 at 04:24 pm

Actually if you look at the facts even before this last crazy spending North Dakota was spending more per pupil in inflation adjusted dollars than ever before.

The reason why property taxes are so high is that irresponsible locals decided they’d just use rising property values as an excuse to spend more.

ND has always done a great job on it’s educational system despite what the greedy union says.  They want more money every year for less work.  They need to wake up and see what the real world is like.


[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


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The Whistler on December 8, 2007 at 04:29 pm

And we will also see what happens when state workers are forced to go without a cost of living raise because there is no money AGAIN like what happened a few years ago.

A simple solution would be to fire all of the state workers that aren’t productive.  If we did that there would be plenty of money to pay those that do work.


[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


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The Whistler on December 8, 2007 at 04:30 pm

My property taxes actually went DOWN in the last two years. Yes, it shocked me.
It will be interesting to see what my state income taxes will like now that Hoeven entwined them with income taxes to further obfuscate them!

Kevin on December 8, 2007 at 05:39 pm

Rob - I thought it would cut income taxes by 50%?


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Matt on December 8, 2007 at 08:21 pm
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It is 50%, corporate taxes by 15%.

My bad.

Rob on December 8, 2007 at 09:05 pm

AARP are a bunch of collectivists to begin with; screw everyone to benefit the AARPcrats, whose worst nightmare is having to earn a living in the private sector.

Kevin on December 8, 2007 at 09:40 pm
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The AARP exists only to make money from selling its insurance and investment products to geriatric dupes who believe the hype.  AARP couldn’t give two shakes about old folks and their plight.

skh.pcola on December 9, 2007 at 12:33 pm
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I enjoyed the AARP’s comment about limiting competition between neighboring states with different tax rates. Can’t have any of that nasty competition around here, thank you very much. We must let the politicians tax and spend unfettered without having to worry about that disgusting capitalist construct!

sayheydk on December 9, 2007 at 04:35 pm

The genius of the founding founders was federalism.  Stupid ideas can’t survive for long at the state level under a federalist system.

That’s why the liberals want to screw up the country at a national level every chance they get.


[W]hat you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.


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The Whistler on December 9, 2007 at 05:06 pm
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Alternative to AARP--"American Seniors Association”

tom on December 9, 2007 at 08:54 pm

That’s why the liberals want to screw up the country at a national level every chance they get.

Jimmy Carter’s department of education is a prime example of that!

Kevin on December 9, 2007 at 09:01 pm
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actually this is the most stupid site I’ve ever been on and based on most of these comments I’ll never join AARP

That’s why the liberals want to screw up the country at a national level every chance they get.

Jimmy Carter’s department of education is a prime example of that

How about his Dept of Energy, designed to get us out of dependence on foriegn oil?

thanks for the education and goodbye!!!!

Paul W. Olson on October 11, 2008 at 03:07 pm
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