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Thursday, May 17, 2007

A Story About A Banishing

Let me tell you a story about a guy who likes to write about politics.  One day this guy visited a community where there was rampant crime, poverty, substance abuse and generally poor living conditions.  This guy decided that someone should call attention to these conditions so that something could be done to change them.  So he wrote a column about it, describing the conditions for his readers, and published it on his website and for a local political magazine he has the privilege to write for.

Unfortunately the local politicians didn’t like what this guy had to say.  They found his words and opinions to be inconvenient, so they got together and banned him from their community.

Sound like a believable story?  Wondering where it could happen?  Maybe some province in the middle east?  Or Cuba?  Or an eastern-European nation that hasn’t entirely forgotten its socialist roots?  Would you believe me if I told you that it happened right here in North Dakota, and that the guy it happened to was me?

On May 11th, 2007 the Turtle Mountain Indian reservation’s tribal council banished me from their reservation because of a column I wrote for the Dakota Beacon magazine (and my own political blog) called “The Appalling State Of Our Indian Reservations.” To do this, they used a bit of tribal law called the “exclusion code” which they created ostensibly to ban criminals like drug dealers and sex offenders from their reservation.

Now it’s apparently going to be used to ban those with political opinions they don’t like.

But when I say they “used” that code to ban me, I mean that very loosely as they didn’t bother to follow many of the requirements set out in their own law.  Section 39.0110 of their tribal code requires that notice of any banishment hearing be delivered “by personal service, or if such service is not reasonably possible, by registered mail, return receipt requested” to the person to be banned.  I received no such notice.  That section also requires that any banishment hearing be held by an Exclusion Order Board which is appointed by the tribal council.  No such board was convened to my knowledge.  Further, that section requires that the person to be banned be afforded an opportunity to attend the hearing, present evidence and speak on his/her own behalf.  No such opportunity was afforded to me.

I was, to sum it up, banned from the Indian reservation without any level of due process (something that by itself is unconstitutional in my humble opinion) and without the tribe following it’s own laws as written.  Vice Chairman Ted Henry states in Susanne Nadeu’s column about this issue in the May 16th Grand Forks Herald that I won’t be allowed back on his reservation, so clearly Mr. Henry feels as though the council fulfilled it’s obligations under the law.

It didn’t.  Even a legal novice can see this.

But the larger issue here is the fact that the Turtle Mountain tribal council is now banning people with political opinions they don’t like from the reservation.  If the tribe is willing to do that to someone who doesn’t even live on their reservation and isn’t a member of their tribe can you imagine what they’d do to someone who spoke out and does live on the reservation?  And is a member of their tribe?  Someone who they have a great deal more power over than someone like me?  It makes you wonder if there aren’t lots of people living on their reservation who have opinions similar to mine but are afraid to voice them for fear of losing their tribal jobs.  Or having their business run off the reservation.  Or, worst of it all, getting banned from their home as though they were a drug dealer or a sex criminal.

It’s a bit chilling, isn’t it?  And to think that this is happening in a community in America, where things like free speech and a free press are guaranteed in the Constitution.  I’ll grant that politics can be polarizing, and that not everyone is going to agree with my stated opinions, but is banishment an appropriate reaction to someone you disagree with?  I don’t think so.

And what’s more, Tribal Vice Chairman Henry and others have claimed in news articles and elsewhere that this banning was put in place for my protection. 

I think that tells us more about the state of affairs on the reservation than anything I could write in a political op/ed.

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a community where there was rampant crime, poverty, substance abuse and generally poor living conditions.

Rampant crime??  Statistics please.  In my life the worst crime I have experienced is having my golf clubs stolen.

Poverty??  Yes, there is poverty, but there is also progress and many people who live above the poverty line.  You presume much.

Substance abuse??  There is some, but no more than the trash who cook meth in the farms and trailer parks in your backyard.

Poor living conditions??  I would invite you to come to my home and dispell this assumption, but...oh, yeah....you are BANNED from the rez.  I guess this won’t be happening anytime soon.

Nice article.

kade on May 17, 2007 at 04:27 pm
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Rob, it looks like the MSM is coming to bat for you. Good. The knock of course on bloggers is that we don’t do our own reporting.

John Ruberry on May 17, 2007 at 05:35 pm

I guess if we hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil… there is no evil!!!!


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Carol on May 17, 2007 at 05:54 pm
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Rob Port: Attention Whore

Dirk Gently on May 17, 2007 at 06:10 pm
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Rob:  You are such an idiot.  You are talking crazy again.  You say you wrote the article to “call attention” to the problems here.  Why?  You think that we don’t know that there are problems here?  You said you “don’t care” about the problems here because this isn’t “your community.” Like I said time and time again, you are trying to make a name for yourself.  I am sure those other news sources got their “news” from you.  Enjoy your minute of fame.
Besides, you said you were never coming back here any way.  So, why do you even care if you are “banned”?  Oh, yeah, free speech.  That’s not what it is about and you know it.

Janel on May 17, 2007 at 07:11 pm
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rob, them banning you is actually a God sent great thing --it brings much needed attention to the issue.  (I’m sure you’ll be rewarded for you’re such civic action by additional traffic to this blog)

anonomisly on May 17, 2007 at 07:19 pm
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Rob has changed his initial intentions to fit his new motives. Typical Conservative activity.

Dirk Gently on May 17, 2007 at 07:22 pm

The Indian message: ignore us and our problems. But don’t ignore us and our problems. --that’s crazy talk and yet that’s what they’re saying.

Gross. You can see the poverty in Google Maps.

These people wouldn’t be getting so mad if the problems weren’t real.

likwidshoe on May 17, 2007 at 07:42 pm
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Rob, seems you upset a few people with your post. The majority appear to be against you. Well I don’t like peer pressure so I have to say you didn’t go far enough.

Why do we have a ‘Bureau of Indian Affairs’ anyway? This is an agency who has long outlived its usefulnes (if it really ever had any).And the reservations are a thing of the past. I fully support abolishing both. Now before anyone starts slamming, flamming or tearing hear me out.

Historically the Indian has been viewed as a second class citizen with the mentality of a child. This can not be further from the truth. They are intelligent, well educated, resourceful people who have been told for too many years by a somewhat arrogrant race that they are inferior. All BS to maintain one thing...control. Control of the land, resources and most importantly, money.

The ‘management’ of a people is at best a ridiculous idea and at worst an insult. No one needs to be managed. Abolish the BIA. The savings to the government would be substantial. Any money the BIA was ‘managing’ for a tribe, give to the tribe. The tribes have their own local governments, they can manage their own money.

Now this is where we will probably have a significant disagreement.The reservations? Abolish them. The tribes and their peoples are citizens of the US, not citizens of their tribes. They live in the United States, they are United States citizens. This country is about assimilation and is called the ‘great melting pot’. Well it’s time to melt into the country. Other people have been doing it for years. The Poles, Italians, Spanish, French, Irish all have become Americans. It’s time the Indians stopped being seperatist by force and became Americans by choice.

Yes, yes I know about the ‘treaties’ that were signed, broken, re-negotiated (repeat as necessary). My apologies but bottom line, the last time I checked the Indians lost the war(s). When someone looses a war they do not get the ‘right’ to dictate to the winners what they want. They lost, the Europeans won. We are all Americans though and times have changed. There shouldn’t be any animosity, there needs to be reconciliation and a merging of cultures. It’s what has made America what it is.

So abolish the BIA, the reservations. Give the tribes any moneys being ‘managed’ by the BIA or others. Give the land to the tribes for them to do as they see fit. They are not children. They are men, women, children, fathers, mothers who can manage their lives, if we just let them.

Frostyndus on May 17, 2007 at 08:26 pm
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Just read in the Minot Daily News a quote: “I don’t see any problem with people having any kind of free speech right, but they better be able to face the consequence of what they say”....I don’t know whether to laugh or cry....

DeuceSoliloquy on May 17, 2007 at 08:36 pm
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Frostyndus, I don’t have time for you.  Maybe someone else can discuss your problems.

Deuce, you just don’t understand.  It is not, I repeat, not, a free speech issue.  Rob can say whatever he wants.  The tribe has made a decision, a political decision, that will be upheld.  When a drunk enters a bar and throws barstools, fights with the bartender, harms other customers, what happens?  The drunk is 86’d.  What about shoplifters?  Aren’t they excluded from the stores they stole from?

The Turtle Mountain Tribe has banished individuals for ages.  This is an inherent right.  Individuals (mostly tribal members) have been banished for various reasons for as long as I can remember.  The exclusion ordinance that everyone keeps mentioning has only been in effect for a couple of years now and was developed in response to the meth crisis on our reservation. 

Rob is banished.  Simple as that.  And for the right reasons.

andy l on May 17, 2007 at 11:03 pm

The exclusion ordinance that everyone keeps mentioning has only been in effect for a couple of years now and was developed in response to the meth crisis on our reservation.

Weird. Meth = speech you don’t like.

Great priorities there.

Rob is banished.  Simple as that.  And for the right reasons.

But we will accept that tax check! wink

likwidshoe on May 17, 2007 at 11:16 pm
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To those who think that banishment was the proper course of action I ask this, why couldn’t the tribe respond in kind with an editorial of their own explaining why rob’s column was incorrect?  You would think that is the proper response.  Instead, the tribe banishes him in what can only be determined to be an act of revenge. 

Rob’s words are just that, words.  They can do no harm.  Instead of addressing his words, you try to eliminate his observations through this ridiculous banishment.  You should be ashamed.

J.R. on May 18, 2007 at 05:57 am

And what’s more, Tribal Vice Chairman Henry and others have claimed in news articles and elsewhere that this banning was put in place for my protection. 

I think that tells us more about the state of affairs on the reservation than anything I could write in a political op/ed.

Zing. Good point, Rob.


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Pilgrim on May 18, 2007 at 06:16 am
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Weird. Meth = speech you don’t like.

Lik, get with the program...your statement doesn’t even make sense.

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 06:34 am
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To those who think that banishment was the proper course of action I ask this, why couldn’t the tribe respond in kind with an editorial of their own explaining why rob’s column was incorrect?  You would think that is the proper response.  Instead, the tribe banishes him in what can only be determined to be an act of revenge. 
Rob’s words are just that, words.  They can do no harm.  Instead of addressing his words, you try to eliminate his observations through this ridiculous banishment.  You should be ashamed.
J.R. on May 18, 2007 at 05:57 am

An editorial?  Where?  Indian tribes do not have a voice.  If a response was published, who would read it?  Lik from OHIO, Proof, Seth?  Come on, JR!

You seem to know a little bit about Indians, JR.  Where you from anyway?

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 06:37 am

andy l - Lik, get with the program...your statement doesn’t even make sense.

And yet the Turtle Mountain reservation used a law designed to keep out meth dealers to ban Rob.

Recognize these words? They’re yours.

The exclusion ordinance that everyone keeps mentioning has only been in effect for a couple of years now and was developed in response to the meth crisis on our reservation.

So meth = speech you don’t like. You’re right. It makes no sense.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 06:39 am
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Gross. You can see the poverty in Google Maps.

Lik, if you look real close, you might actually see a community!  One of the largest school systems in North Dakota, one of the largest hospitals in the area, a mall, churches, you know...a community!

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 06:40 am

You seem to know a little bit about Indians, JR.

This means that you don’t agree with andy l. It’s what he says to all who disagree with him.

The next thing he’ll say is: “you don’t get it”.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 06:41 am

andy l - Lik, if you look real close, you might actually see a community!

I see a bunch of burnt out houses smaller than my garage.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 06:42 am
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So meth = speech you don’t like. You’re right. It makes no sense.
likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 06:39 am

That’s not the point I made, and you know it.  I was discussing banishment and how our tribe has used banishment for a long time.  The newspapers make it seem like this is a novel and new idea.  Not so.  You just keep plugging along, deflecting.  Ignoring or twisting any observations or contributions made by Indians to this blog, we’re used to it.  Why change?

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 06:43 am
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I see a bunch of burnt out houses smaller than my garage.
likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 06:42 am

Really?  Show me!  I live here.  Although I haven’t seen your fairy tale guilded garage, I certainly doubt your statement. 

Clarify your statement Lik, and then tell me again why I shouldn’t consider you an Indian hater.  I never tire of your explanations.

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 06:46 am

That’s not the point I made, and you know it.

It isn’t? The law was designed specifically for the meth problem infecting most areas of America these days.

I was discussing banishment and how our tribe has used banishment for a long time.

Nice. But we’re talking specifically about the “exclusion ordinance”, not history. I even quoted you up above. The focus was limited to the new law.

You just keep plugging along, deflecting.  Ignoring or twisting any observations or contributions made by Indians to this blog, we’re used to it.  Why change?

I’ll chalk this up to a simple misunderstanding of yours. I explained it above. I wasn’t “ignoring or twisting” anything.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 06:47 am
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burnt out

Lik, is that a pot smoker term?  I’ve got to add that to my little book of “Lik’s awe inspiring words”.

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 06:47 am

andy l - Clarify your statement Lik, and then tell me again why I shouldn’t consider you an Indian hater.  I never tire of your explanations.

It’s not on me to prove a negative. It’s your charge.

I’ve been consistent in telling you that I could care less. Now you’ll ignore that and then twist my words to suit your own ends. Not only that, but you’ll claim that I’m doing it to you and then balk at providing evidence of the charge.

You’re a real class act andy. One wonders just what you expect to accomplish here. So far, you’ve only created enemies and division. You’re giving the real Indian haters ammo. I don’t know if you realize that or not.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 06:50 am
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Nice. But we’re talking specifically about the “exclusion ordinance”, not history. I even quoted you up above. The focus was limited to the new law.

Oh, “the focus”, and history doesn’t matter.  Sorry for trying to explain things. My bad.  I guess I’ll just run along home now!

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 06:50 am
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You’re a real class act andy. One wonders just what you expect to accomplish here. So far, you’ve only created enemies and division. You’re giving the real Indian haters ammo. I don’t know if you realize that or not.
likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 06:50 am

I do realize that!  You’re a prime example!

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 06:53 am

Oh, “the focus”, and history doesn’t matter.

Who said history doesn’t matter? You did.

The exclusion ordinance that everyone keeps mentioning has only been in effect for a couple of years now and was developed in response to the meth crisis on our reservation.

Do you see history there? I don’t. I see you talking specifically about the exclusion ordinance. That’s “the focus” I was talking about. (How is this hard to understand?)

Sorry for trying to explain things. My bad.  I guess I’ll just run along home now!

Comments like these make me question your ability to follow these conversations.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 06:55 am

andy l - nevermind. I see that I’m dealing with someone who is not playing with a full deck.

That you can’t understand this, this and this says a lot. It’s a very simple conversation and you’re lost. Completely lost! All you seem to be able to do is insult and libel.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 06:57 am
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Is not the the Turtle Band FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED? Since they are, the constitution of your land has no bearing. This is a government to government relationship and they have THE RIGHT as any other soverign nation to exclude anyone they want. As far as Lik (whatever his name is) goes with his comments, he has no clue about how much the government owes to the Indigenous people for reparations. The US paid Germany after WWII, they paid Kuwait, and now Iraq. We are entitled too, for broken treaties and stolen land. You 15 minutes of fame are up! Stop whining and move on!

Indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 07:26 am

You 15 minutes of fame are up! Stop whining and move on!

Are some of you parrots? Move on from what? That money is taken from my paycheck and every other tax-paying American’s paycheck. That entitles us to a voice. Stop whining about that and move on.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 07:31 am
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Are some of you parrots? Move on from what? That money is taken from my paycheck and every other tax-paying American’s paycheck. That entitles us to a voice. Stop whining about that

I have a job and I pay taxes too, (probably more than you) so what’s your point? Stolen land, unpaid rent, and revenue is long overdue. You need to read up on the real American History, not the crap they teach you in school.

Indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 07:37 am
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An editorial?  Where?  Indian tribes do not have a voice.  If a response was published, who would read it?

Are you kidding?  You don’t think you could get an op-ed published in response to Rob in a local paper.  Who would read it?  Most likely the same people that read what Rob had published, in fact, I bet Rob would have linked to it!  So instead of trying that, you banish him.  Good call, cowards.

That’s not the point I made, and you know it.  I was discussing banishment and how our tribe has used banishment for a long time.

So how many times have you banished someone for writing a column?  Or for writing anything?  It’s unbelievable that you don’t see this as an over-reaction.

You seem to know a little bit about Indians, JR.  Where you from anyway?

Well, if I thought you actually wanted to know I’d tell you.  Let’s just say I currently live in the midwest.

J.R. on May 18, 2007 at 07:41 am

Indigenous - I have a job and I pay taxes too, (probably more than you) so what’s your point?

Ha! That’s funny. A few of you who have disagreed with me have to say that you probably pay more in taxes. As if that even mattered. Ironically, all it does is to play into my point.

My point was simple (how did you miss it while quoting it?). Since we’re taxpayers, we have a voice.

Stolen land, unpaid rent, and revenue is long overdue. You need to read up on the real American History, not the crap they teach you in school.

Okaywhatever. Way to stick to the subject.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 07:47 am
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Well if you have a voice, why not use it for something constructive. Do you think our people living on the Rez want to be there? Many don’t have a choice. High unemployment makes it difficult to leave. It also makes it difficult to send your kids to get a better education. Here’s a thinking question for you. Why is it acceptable for a white man to have a Liquor store at the edge of a ‘dry’ reservation? His action speaks volumes about your people and what they think about us. This is no different than the ghettos of our cities. Every corner has a liquor store and a gun shop. Guess who owns them? Not a residence. These are the suttle ways your people try and keep us down and under control. I’m sure you’ve never noticed because you’re blind to it..

Indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 07:57 am
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Whether or not the Constitution squarely applies in this situation is debatable, but the Indian Civil Rights Act certainly does.  Specifically:

No Indian tribe in exercising powers of self-government shall...deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of its laws or deprive any person of liberty or property without due process of law


When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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Rob on May 18, 2007 at 07:59 am

Indigenous - Why is it acceptable for a white man to have a Liquor store at the edge of a ‘dry’ reservation?

It’s a free country.

His action speaks volumes about your people and what they think about us.

“Your people”? What kind of derisive language is that? I don’t have people. I prefer individuals.

This is no different than the ghettos of our cities. Every corner has a liquor store and a gun shop. Guess who owns them? Not a residence.

Who owns them? If you’re in Los Angeles, the Koreans own them. If you’re in Detroit, the Arabs own them.

These are the suttle ways your people try and keep us down and under control.

There you go with that “your people” again. I’m just wondering how the Koreans or Arabs are “my people”. Maybe you could explain.

I’m sure you’ve never noticed because you’re blind to it..

Hmm...how insulting.

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When a drunk enters a bar and throws barstools, fights with the bartender, harms other customers, what happens?  The drunk is 86’d.  What about shoplifters?  Aren’t they excluded from the stores they stole from?

So, according to Andy, speaking your mind about social issues is equivalent to being a drunk and/or criminal.

Nice, Andy.


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Rob on May 18, 2007 at 08:04 am
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Rob

Whether or not the Constitution squarely applies in this situation is debatable, but the Indian Civil Rights Act certainly does.  Specifically:

No Indian tribe in exercising powers of self-government shall...deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of its laws or deprive any person of liberty or property without due process of law

So let me sum this up.. It states ‘persons within it’s jurisdiction’. You are not a member of the Turtle band, hence you are not within their jurisdiction. This law is for equal rights of the tribal members inclusive, not outsiders. Better read up some more on tribal law before arguing with this...you don’t have a leg to stand on.

indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 08:09 am

indigenous,

First Rule of removing oneself and one’s cause from a negative PR hole: Stop Digging.

But hey, if you really want to keep digging, I’ll be glad to rent you a backhoe.

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Rodney Graves on May 18, 2007 at 08:17 am
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Who owns them? If you’re in Los Angeles, the Koreans own them. If you’re in Detroit, the Arabs own them

If you’re in NY, the Whites own them. Besides, who do you think the Koreans and the Arabs bought the stores from?

Indigenous - Why is it acceptable for a white man to have a Liquor store at the edge of a ‘dry’ reservation?

It’s a free country

The fact that you see nothing wrong with this tells me you’re a bigot. How would you feel about a having a crack house full of drug dealers selling drugs across from a middle school? Whould’t you want them shut down?.. oh yeah.. it’s a free county…

indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 08:17 am
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indigenous,

First Rule of removing oneself and one’s cause from a negative PR hole: Stop Digging.

But hey, if you really want to keep digging, I’ll be glad to rent you a backhoe.

Out Here
Rodney Graves

Too bad you were around to give Custer the same advise… Now you can sound the retreat.

indigenos on May 18, 2007 at 08:19 am
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"Frostyndus, I don’t have time for you.  Maybe someone else can discuss your problems” ...Andy

Excuse me...what problems? Are you saying you like the system the way it is?

Frostyndus on May 18, 2007 at 08:19 am

indigenous - Besides, who do you think the Koreans and the Arabs bought the stores from?

So they bought them? Whose point are you making? Money is green. That’s the color that matters in the business world.

The fact that you see nothing wrong with this tells me you’re a bigot.

I’m a “bigot” now because I support freedom. Nice.

How would you feel about a having a crack house full of drug dealers selling drugs across from a middle school? Whould’t you want them shut down?.. oh yeah.. it’s a free county…

I don’t support the bar either (didn’t see that one coming, did you?). If you don’t like, change the law.

Instead, you sit there and give the “bigot” label to people who disagree with you. How incredibly low.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 08:21 am
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Instead, you sit there and give the “bigot” label to people who disagree with you. How incredibly low

No. I give it to people who have no indifference for injustice to another race of people.

I don’t support the bar either (didn’t see that one coming, did you?). If you don’t like, change the law.

I do work with the State where my people live to try and change the laws. I’m way ahead of you.

indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 08:26 am

No. I give it to people who have no indifference for injustice to another race of people.

Oh, whatever. You’re making things up and bringing up a tired and off-topic subject.

I’m sorry that you find freedom to be bigotry. Sounds like a problem that you need to work on.

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No. I give it to people who have no indifference for injustice to another race of people.

I’m not indifferent to injustice.  If I were I wouldn’t have written that original column.


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Rob on May 18, 2007 at 08:30 am
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No. I give it to people who have no indifference for injustice to another race of people.

Oh, whatever. You’re making things up and bringing up a tired and off-topic subject.

I’m sorry that you find freedom to be bigotry. Sounds like a problem that you need to work on

That’s your best argument? I’m making things up? Shows how ignorant and wet behind the ears you are. What do you know about freedom? Did you join the military and serve your country? What have you done to keep this country free besides start this BLOG? I’m curious.

Indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 08:33 am
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I’m not indifferent to injustice.  If I were I wouldn’t have written that original column.

Your column wouldn’t have gotten you in so much trouble if you would have thought about what you were writing. Maybe journalism isn’t your forte’.

Indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 08:37 am

indigenous,

Would you like a couple of jack hammers to go along with that backhoe?  And where shall I send the bill?

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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
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Rodney Graves on May 18, 2007 at 08:38 am

Indigenous - That’s your best argument? I’m making things up? Shows how ignorant and wet behind the ears you are.

Well thanks. You made things up when you called me a bigot. You called me one because I said that it is a free country in response to your example of a liquor store opening up next to a ‘dry’ reservation. How that made me a bigot is up in the air and anybodies guess. Ignorant and wet behind the ears? Try to keep up with the debate and refrain from making the explosive insults.

What do you know about freedom? Did you join the military and serve your country? What have you done to keep this country free besides start this BLOG? I’m curious.

What the hell does that have to do with the topic at hand? Good grief man, you’re all over the place. And for the record, it’s not my blog.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 08:40 am
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You said that already, yet you returned..

Well, i’m done punishing you two. Now go home and write 1000x “I will learn to be more tolerant to other cultures.” and next time get the facts and think before you publish.

Indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 08:41 am

Well, i’m done punishing you two.

Oh, you’re leaving? You’re no longer going to punish us with your presence?

Now go home and write 1000x “I will learn to be more tolerant to other cultures.” and next time get the facts and think before you publish.

And you’re yet another one who has a problem with projection. Remember, this “Indigenous” clown is the one who gave me hell for what “my people” supposedly did. My people? Those would be convenience store owners.

Haha. “Indigenous” is like a bad joke.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 08:46 am
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Well since you’re espousing the word FREEDOM so much, I was just curious what you have contributed to keep it free? I’m not all over the place. I have determined the type of person you are by your responses to questions. Here you are trying to defend an article but you have no credible leg to stand on except you have an opinion. The article hurt many people and you feel it’s acceptable in the name of free speech. I could see if you were a Vet or knew Native American history, then your opinion would have some weight and maybe credible. But you have none of this so your opinion is just that. Yours. So as I said .. your 15 mins are up.. get a life and go crack open some books..

Indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 08:48 am
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Rob on May 18, 2007 at 07:59 am

Nice victim card there Rob.  The Indian Civil Rights Act is valuable, no doubt.  And, where have your rights been denied?  You have access to our courts.  Title 39 spells it out.  Have a little patience, why don’t you?  You’ll certainly get your chance, in our Tribal Court, should you so choose, to represent yourself.  Glad to see you’re doing your homework!

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 08:50 am
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Haha. “Indigenous” is like a bad joke

You and your stupid picture is a joke! Maybe next time you come to the party, you might want to bring your brain.

Indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 08:51 am
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Try to keep up with the debate and refrain from making the explosive insults.

Lik, you’re the most explosive person in here!  come on...Geez, you’re such a turd!

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 08:55 am
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Well thanks. You made things up when you called me a bigot.

Lik, looks like I’m going to have to start another list!  Let’s see, how many times has he been called a bigot?  Well, I’ll have to do some back reading.  brb.

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 08:57 am

indigenous,

Cultures are in no way interchangeable, nor are they equal.  Cultures are judged by their fruits, and tolerating a culture which produces poisonous fruits is a policy only a post modern suffering from a terminal case of the rectal cranial inversion known as multi-culturalism would champion.

One plexiglass navel coming right up to go along with the back hoe and jack hammers.

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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on May 18, 2007 at 08:58 am
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You and your stupid picture is a joke! Maybe next time you come to the party, you might want to bring your brain.
Indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 08:51 am

Garsh!  That’s funny!  So true!  I just can’t take it any more!  Indigenous, you’re right on!

Ha ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA ha ha HA HA SNORT ha ha hyuk ha ha ha ha lololololololol

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 09:00 am

Indigenous - I have determined the type of person you are by your responses to questions.

No you haven’t. You’ve only assuaged your own biases. You’ve been quick to demonize those who disagree with you.

Here you are trying to defend an article but you have no credible leg to stand on except you have an opinion.

Besides many coming and saying that the article is true. Don’t forget those people.

The article hurt many people and you feel it’s acceptable in the name of free speech.

Yeah. That’s freedom. I even defend things that I don’t agree with in the name of freedom.

I could see if you were a Vet or knew Native American history, then your opinion would have some weight and maybe credible. But you have none of this so your opinion is just that. Yours.

So only Vets are allowed to have opinions. Okay. Btw, why do you keep on bringing up Native American history? You don’t know what I know. I don’t bring it up because it hasn’t been germane to this conversation.

So as I said .. your 15 mins are up.. get a life and go crack open some books..

The ever popular “get a life” insult. So many of you have used that one.

Indigenous, you’re very weak in your arguments. You don’t get very far before the explosive insults come out. With the numerous “your people” comments, I can only conclude that you’re the bigot here. To hide this, you quickly label others.

You and your stupid picture is a joke!

I wasn’t dancing for you.

andy l - Lik, looks like I’m going to have to start another list!  Let’s see, how many times has he been called a bigot?

Go ahead and look at why I get called it as well. “Indigenous" called me a bigot because I support the right of a liquor store to do business. No kidding.

It’s all too typical. Those with weak arguments are quick to bring out the racism and bigot charges.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 09:02 am
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Cultures are in no way interchangeable, nor are they equal.  Cultures are judged by their fruits, and tolerating a culture which produces poisonous fruits is a policy only a post modern suffering from a terminal case of the rectal cranial inversion known as multi-culturalism would champion.

And yet after all the suffering my people have had to endure from the whites, we still tolerate them. I guess our brains are in our ass. When will we learn you can’t be trusted.

Indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 09:03 am
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Rodney Graves on May 18, 2007 at 08:58 am

rodney, you spew so well!  Are you educated?  Inquiring minds need to know!  By the way, where you from?  Ever been to an Indian Reservation?  Ever really seen or actually visited with an Indian?  Do you live in a guilded lily-white house like likwidshoe?  Just wondering!

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 09:04 am
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I wasn’t dancing for you.

You’re just a kid! We’re done conversing.. You have nothing to say to me. Grow up junior.

Indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 09:07 am

indigenous,

If you really want to fight those wars all over again, have at.  Given the outcome of the last iteration, it’s a policy only the truly insane would contemplate.

Gee, that didn’t work so well, let’s do it some more!

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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on May 18, 2007 at 09:07 am

Indigenous - And yet after all the suffering my people have had to endure from the whites, we still tolerate them. I guess our brains are in our ass. When will we learn you can’t be trusted.

Now THAT’S racist.

Looks like I was right. To hide your racism, you quickly level the charge at others.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 09:08 am

Indigenous - You’re just a kid! We’re done conversing.. You have nothing to say to me. Grow up junior.

I pissed off another racist?

I’ve been doing that lately.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 09:09 am
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tolerating a culture which produces poisonous fruits is a policy only a post modern suffering from a terminal case of the rectal cranial inversion known as multi-culturalism would champion.

Wow, rodney!  I’m impressed!  Shit, might as well crawl back into my little hole on the reservation and wait until the next shoe drops. 

Oh, as the avatar an actual picture of you?  You look so imposing and intelligent!  I’m really, really, really, really impressed.  You look so paternalistic!  So ruthless!  Your ancestors must have been “Boss Farmers” or something.

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 09:09 am
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I pissed off another racist?
I’ve been doing that lately.
likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 09:09 am

You keeping track?  Are you saying Indigenous is a racist?  What, for disagreeing with you?  Lik, you amuse me.  Why, you’re the talk of the town!  Everyone around here just laughs and laughs when they talk about the little OHIO boy.  Great fun.  Wish you were here!

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 09:13 am
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So now your tactic to say i’m a racist? And who could blame me if i was? Do you not think the Jewish are racist and apprehensive of the Germans? Let’s not be totally moronic on this. Whites tried to destroy my race under the disguise of Christianity. Hell, the pope is still making the same statements espoused 600 years ago. How should I be? forgive and forget?

Indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 09:15 am

Are you saying Indigenous is a racist?  What, for disagreeing with you?

You’re dense.

And yet after all the suffering we have had to endure from the Indians, we still tolerate them. I guess our brains are in our ass. When will we learn you can’t be trusted.

Is that racist andy? You can’t even be honest and call it out when someone from your side says things like that.

Keep laughing. Dishonest schmuck.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 09:17 am
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burnt out

You still didn’t answer my question Lik.  Is that a pot smoker term?  And, what does that have to do with houses on the Turtle Mountain Indian Reservation?  Just need to know, that’s all.

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 09:17 am

Indigenous - So now your tactic to say i’m a racist?

Tactic?

And yet after all the suffering we have had to endure from the Indians, we still tolerate them. I guess our brains are in our ass. When will we learn you can’t be trusted.

That looks racist to me. Those are YOUR words. The only thing I changed was white to Indian and I took out “my people”. Still, the meaning is unchanged. That’s a racist comment any which way you look at it and YOU said it.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 09:19 am
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Keep laughing. Dishonest schmuck.
likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 09:17 am

laughter is medicine.  You should try it once in a while.  Dishonest?  What, for disagreeing with you?  Oh, sorry, forgot my place.  Sorry for disrupting your lily-white life in your guilded castle in OHIO!

Oh, by the way, the pot related question?  Still stands.

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 09:20 am

andy l - You still didn’t answer my question Lik.  Is that a pot smoker term?

I don’t know. I think it might be a meth term. Why don’t you go ask your neighbors. They would know.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 09:20 am

andy l - Dishonest?  What, for disagreeing with you?

No, for being dishonest.

Try to keep up.

Anyways,...I’m done right now with you two racist clowns.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 09:21 am
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That looks racist to me. Those are YOUR words. The only thing I changed was white to Indian and I took out “my people”. Still, the meaning is unchanged. That’s a racist comment any which way you look at it and YOU said it.
likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 09:19 am

Little child.  Pointing fingers isn’t polite!  When are you going to realize you solicit the responses you get.  If you were intelligent and respected other people’s opinion, maybe you would receive decent response.  You really need a great deal of help lik.  I’m serious!  You know, we have great healers on this reservation.  I could make you an appointment!

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 09:23 am
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I don’t know. I think it might be a meth term. Why don’t you go ask your neighbors. They would know.

See what I mean? The sad part is these shops are setup by people from off the Rez who use our soverenty to hide behind. But once again let me quote..” it’s a free country” -lik

Indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 09:24 am
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Anyways,...I’m done right now with you two racist clowns.
likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 09:21 am

What, too hot for you in here?

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 09:24 am
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I don’t know. I think it might be a meth term. Why don’t you go ask your neighbors. They would know.
likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 09:20 am

If you don’t know, then why use it to describe the homes in Belcourt?  Gawd, Lik.  You really need help!  I feel your pain!  Your cries are loud and clear!  I wish I could do more for you!

andy l on May 18, 2007 at 09:27 am
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Anyways,...I’m done right now with you two racist clowns

I’ve been done with you..besides your diaper’s wet and needs changing.

Indigenous on May 18, 2007 at 09:27 am

Job Service N.D. data on Rolette County unemployment:

Month Year Area Labor Force Employed Unemployed Unemployment Rate
13 2003 Rolette 5,378 4,807 571 10.6%
13 2004 Rolette 5,257 4,750 507 9.6%
13 2005 Rolette 5,194 4,702 492 9.5%
13 2006 Rolette 5,065 4,595 470 9.3%

Probably a high percentage of discouraged job seekers, those not counted as unemployed.

Pomerdorgrad on May 18, 2007 at 10:00 am
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From the North Dakota Indian Affairs commission:

Unemployment varies from reservation to reservation, but averages 63% for North Dakota American Indians as compared to the overall U.S. rate of 5.1%.


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Rob on May 18, 2007 at 10:06 am
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let me just say that what was said by the author hit the nail on the head.  I worked in the ems field for over 12 years and a majority of it was on reservations.  I had the misfortune of having to see countless children left dead in the road after their fathers,mothers,and granparents would put the kids in the back of a pick-up while they drank to stupidity and then not give a shit when the kids were killed.  How about the thanksgiving that I left my family to help a native who was having stomach pains.  The kicker here was her grandkids who had beat her and tied her up in the bedroom so they could smoke a ton of weed even the BIA officer had a hit when we were there.  I was said to be sage but I smoked enough with a few natives when I was in school just down the road as a lumberjack in Bottineau.  The point here is the natives don’t want the truth only the handouts.  You can call me a racist but I am 1/8 both grandparents grew up on the rez. take it for what it is the truth that I have experienced first hand.  there are good people of all races as well as bad just seems that I have more bad than good run ins on the turtle mountain rez

boyblue on May 18, 2007 at 11:36 am

If you’re an Indian on a reservation who admits that there are some serious problems: go by a handle. It’s dangerous to use your real name. Tribes have already started down the banning path for those they disagree with; just think about the hell they would create for you.

Protect yourselves from vindictive Indians using the color of law to squash any opinions they don’t like. They’re engaging in Stalinistic tactics and you don’t want to be on the wrong end of that one.

It’s really sickening that we have to protect ourselves and our families because we have conversations on the Internet, but what are you going to do? These guys are “sovereign” and show no respect for things like freedom of speech.

I only wonder what is next. Jailing political dissidents? I wouldn’t put it past them. Protect yourselves, especially if you’re an Indian who disagrees with the ‘correct’ opinion. Other Indians are out to squash your voice.

likwidshoe on May 18, 2007 at 12:01 pm

Rob,

You made the local fishwrapper as well.

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