A Return To Stability At The Expense Of Liberty

That’s the likely outcome of the so called “return to realism” indicated by the return of such Bush I luminaries like Robert Gates and James Baker to prominence in America’s foreign policy decision-making process.
As Michael Young explains:

Amid the joy surrounding the defeat of the Republicans in last week’s midterm congressional elections, I might be forgiven this dissenting observation: With George W. Bush so roundly beaten, don’t expect much American interest, in the foreseeable future and probably beyond that, for liberalism in the Middle East. We’re returning to the days when the United States put its regional hopes mainly in leaders who were reliable thugs. . . .
There was considerable hypocrisy in the Arab liberal reaction to Bush’s wars. For decades, an unwavering lament of the liberals was that the US had abandoned democrats in favor of autocrats. That was true, particularly during the Cold War, when administrations pushing for greater openness on the part of their Arab allies were reminded by the latter that pushing too hard might induce them to lean toward the Soviet Union. In an era of superpower competition, the “realist” paradigm accepted such blackmail: It was better for the US to deal with states primarily on the basis of interests as opposed to values, even if values were never abandoned in Washington’s public rhetoric. . . .
…9/11, whichever way you cut it, was a by-product of that approach. Because militant Islam thrives in repressive Arab societies, because America can only appear more hateful to peoples who see it bolstering their absolute rulers, nothing prevents another terrorist attack against the US. That is the fatal flaw in the realists’ approach. For them 9/11 was a glitch in the international order, albeit a substantial one, an event that should have merely brought retaliatory police action designed to re-establish an equilibrium. Realists were incapable of gauging the importance of ideas, of understanding that militant Islam is perilously eschatological in its ambitions. In their fixation on power, realists never see beyond the dry instruments increasing or lessening power.

Read the whole thing.
I wonder…if Gates and the other “realists” succeed in persuading President Bush to abandon the so-called “Bush Doctrine” (the belief that the best way to fight terrorism is to topple oppressive regimes in the middle east and replace them with representative governments) and move back to a policy of tolerating tyranny for the sake of stability in the middle east, will it be the beginning of a new cycle for America? One where we tolerate tyranny in the middle east until some event (like 9/11) makes us attempt to fight root causes again in the middle east (like we are now in Afghanistan and Iraq) until we run out of patience and decide to give up and return to the beginning of the cycle once again?
It would be unfortunate if that happened, but I think that’s exactly what will happen if we pull out of Iraq prematurely. In the short term we’ll forget about Iraq. We’ll go back to choosing the path of least resistance in Iraq and tolerating tyranny in the middle east even as that tyranny continues to foster the sort of extremist terrorism that has resulted in attacks around the globe.
We’re in Iraq now and as the President just pointed out the other day, “We’ll succeed unless we quit.” The terrorists cannot drive us off the battlefield in Iraq. The only way they can achieve victory over us is if they undermine our will to fight so that we quit of our own volition. They’ve done a pretty good job of that so far, what with our media helping out with endlessly slanted war reporting, but if it doesn’t work and we don’t leave Iraq they lose. There’s no two ways about it. If we stay long enough we will achieve our mission.
But some, especially on the left but a few on the right as well, aren’t interested in hearing that. They’d rather just take the easy way out of Iraq at this point. But while that “easy way” may seem like the better choice in the short run, in the long run it has consequences for our country and the whole world that we may not like.
(via Hot Air)

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  • http://Array HG

    Ken,

    I acknowledge the oppression of a people by its own government can be to such a degree that warrants a foreign government come to their aid.

  • carrick

    Sparkie, you are basically claiming that people in the middle east can’t individually be trusted to run their own countries, but that strongmen should be left to do this for them.

    This is realism???

    Hardly, it’s just your personal brand of liberal politics, which mistakes deep rooted cynicism about human nature for realism.

    You lefties have once again exposed that you truly don’t trust people (US citizens as much as anybody) to run their own affairs, and that the important decisions should be left to our wise Big Brother.

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    America may assist oppressed citizens in overthrowing oppressive governments, but America alone has no authority to forcibly remove a government on behalf of oppressed citizens.

    I disagree. Every single non-democratic government on this planet is illegitimate and illegal, as its ‘authority’ is derived from force and not the will of the people it governs.

    America, and other democratic states, have the right and the duty to overthrow tyrannies whenever and wherever they appear, whenever possible.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    WMD protection was one of many reasons…

    r108: You are correct! Anyone over the age of ten, or who was paying attention at the time, could remember the laundry list of causes that Colin Powell presented to the UN.

    The “it’s all about WMD” was a straw man created by the propagandists of the Dem Party

    Also correct! The party of Attention Deficit and Dishonesty has been beating that drum and riding that hobby horse (to mix metaphors) for years. They never seem to grow tired of it!

  • robert108

    Ken: Absolutely!!!

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    You no more need to ask if we have the authority to do so, than you need to ask if you have the authority to shoot a rabid dog.

    Tyrants are the enemies of mankind and civilization, as are pirates and terrorists, and non-democratic states are completely illegitimate and have no right to even exist. Any nation, or group of people with the power to do so have the right to topple them.

    We have the right, for example, to assassinate Kim Jong-Il, a vicious tyrant who enslaves his own people. We can certainly argue over whether that is wise or not, and realism often dictates that forbearance in such matters is the wisest course of action. We have self-limited the right to assassinate foreign leaders, but that is a choice we have voluntarily made. We can resume such practices at our leisure.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    It is a strategy by an inferior force to defeat a vastly superior force by making them lose heart and resolve. Our own MSM is aiding the terrorists to achieve the goal

    r108: And when you say “inferior”, you mean in terms of numbers and/or force of arms. (Lest the multicultural crowd hang you in effigy for crimes you did not commit!)

    I don’t think that regarding terrorism as a tactic leads to defeatism, as long as you don’t lose focus as to who your enemy is and you still hold the resolve to defeat him.

    The “War on terror” is a euphemism that I care little for. Let’s call a digging instrument a digging instrument, before the excrement hits the whirling blade!

  • carrick

    Sparkie, cynicism is a cowards way out from ever having to take a stand on anything. It has nothing in common with realism, but plenty in common with self-defeastism.

  • Bat One

    A liberal international relations sort of post-constructionist constructed idea in a constructed world is hypocritical when these types of IR theories of a realist idealism is more desirable to idealism or revolutionism. The post constructionist intervals options have elucidated fully the rationalizations to unilateralism of co-existences and its our only viable goal.

    Jack,

    Did you just write this… or have you been saving it since the Cold War? Reads like a position paper oozed from the bowels of the Jimmy Carter State Department.

  • carrick

    Exactly, R108. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. But what it does point out is that Sparkie doesn’t have a clue how or why a democracy works better than a centralized totalitarian/socialist state. And he calls this “realism”.

  • HG

    Ken,

    I respectfully disagree.

    America’s only authority is derived from the will of Americans and therefore is sovereign only over Americans, not any or all of the worlds population. Once America would overthrow a government solely because it is non-democratic, America would have overstepped its authority.

    What jurisdiction, or what range of authority does America have over the global population? and from where would such authority come?

  • Pilgrim

    I’m inclined to agree with Bezu…

    As`long as we were fighting Al-Qaeda and the remnants of saddam’s Bathists I was all for being in Iraq. If it continues to degenerate into a civil war with both sides fighting us – we need to leave them to their own devices. We won’t – can-t – win because the court of public opinion will not allow us to fight the kind of fight necessary.

  • 2Hotel9

    So, thousands of binary artillery rounds, rockets, and bombs, along with thousands of tons of nerve and mustard agent are not WMDs? Glad you cleared that up for us, sparkle baby.

  • HG

    Any ruler of any government that purposes to kill its innocent citizens should be killed.

  • carrick

    WOOF:

    Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger says military victory is no longer possible in Iraq.

    Wasn’t he the architect of our last major defeat?

  • HG

    Ken,

    I do not agree that a foreign government has any authority to forcibly overthrow any government simply because it is not democratic.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger says military victory is no longer possible in Iraq.

    Well, Duh! After we kicked Saddam’s ass and let the people of Iraq choose their own government, we were no longer at war with Iraq. The prima facie argument is there can no longer be “military victory”.

    Can there be victory over “terrorism”? Terrorism is a tactic. We can declare victory over terrorism about the same time we declare victory over “crime”. We can fight it. We can reduce it. Or we can give in to it.

    Here’s my prediction: Military victory is no longer possible in Washington D.C. (You may quote me!)

    The former Sec. of State is imprecise with his words at best!

  • 2Hotel9

    America has stood by and watched as millions of innocent people were murdered by their own governments. This is to our eternal shame, and we will all stand before God and answer for it.

    And HG, your last comment abrogates everything you posted above.

  • robert108

    Once America would overthrow a government solely because it is non-democratic…

    This is a straw man argument; it has never happened. It takes a whole lot more than that. You just made it up.

  • http://bezufache.wordpress.com/ Bezu Fache

    Rob

    It’s an impossible undertaking to save the Iraqis from themselves.

    We’ve made a valiant effort but it’s time to let them decide their future for themselves…

    they’ve been engaged in blood-soaked, grisly, internecine battle for 14 centuries.; all over some bullshit religious squabble about whether or not the caliph can only be a direct descendant of Mohammed

    ….we could stay there twenty years ..but not even that will change this dispute….

  • robert108

    Kissinger has been wrong a lot of times.
    Typical reference source for Woof.

  • robert108

    …this whole thing was sold to us as WMD pre-emption…

    False. WMD protection was one of many reasons; there was a long list. The main reasons were Saddam’s violation of a great number of UN resolutions since the Gulf War. Duh
    The “it’s all about WMD” was a straw man created by the propagandists of the Dem Party and the MSM. It was a lie then, and it is a lie now, coming from you.

  • robert108

    More defeatism.

  • robert108

    Terrorism is a tactic.

    While I agree with most of your comment, I disagree with this one statement. The big problem we have at the present time is that terrorism is a strategy, as well as a tactic. It is a strategy by an inferior force to defeat a vastly superior force by making them lose heart and resolve. Our own MSM is aiding the terrorists to achieve the goal of this strategy. We can only lose by leaving. Regarding terrorism as only a tactic leads to defeatism.

  • Bat One

    Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger says military victory is no longer possible in Iraq.

    This is hardly the first time that Henry Kissinger has been wrong about an issue of foreign policy. He is , in fact, the ideological godfather of appeasing “realists” including Baker, Brzezinski, and a host of second and third tier accommodaters whose claim to fame includes a tiresome list of post-graduate papers and degrees, and a record of only playing for a draw.

    If you are trying to impress, WOOF, or make a point, you’d be well advised not to wave Henry Kissinger’s name about. Kissinger would support absolutely nothing that wasn’t listed on HIS own letterhead. Henry Kissinger’s prime concern has always been Henry Kissinger.

  • http://www.campus-watch.org/ Dirty Jack Cash

    I agree with Sparkie when he says:

    Rob couldn’t be more wrong. Our ‘idealist’ rationalization and Idealism is the ‘idealism of yesteryear and is real idealism. New idealism is actually revolutionism idealism – we are forcing a preventative Idealism but maybe realist rationalizations – but its revolutionism not idealism. A liberal international relations sort of post-constructionist constructed idea in a constructed world is hypocritical when these types of IR theories of a realist idealism is more desirable to idealism or revolutionism. The post constructionist intervals options have elucidated fully the rationalizations to unilateralism of co-existences and its our only viable goal.

  • robert108

    Run your model r108. Give the ME democracy. Then imagine who they’ll vote for.

    You can’t give anyone democracy; you can only enable them to self-determine, so you are wrong right there, which is no surprise. Democracy, by definition, has to be chosen. As is usual for lefties, you set up a straw man of a perfect ideal, then whine that since we can’t possibly achieve it, we have to cut and run. Typical. If you knew how to think logically, you might be able to discern the truth. Your premises are flawed, so your conclusions are wrong. GIGO

  • robert108

    Carrick: Agree with both your comments. Why is it that lefties have this idea that becoming in charge of govt automatically makes someone all-wise and all-knowing?

  • http://www.kenmccracken.blogspot.com/ Ken McCracken

    How do you feel about overthrowing a government that is committing genocide against its own people, as in Kampuchea?

  • LoadTheMule

    Jeez, Sparkie. Take your meds, fella.

    Regards…

  • HG

    9/11, whichever way you cut it, was a by-product of that approach.

    The idea that 9/11 was the product of America’s tolerance and/or respect for sovereigns, be it tyrannical, dictatorial, or otherwise, must be rejected. It was the tolerance of ME national governments that allowed and fostered terrorism. Israel tolerated terrorism against its citizens for far too long, and continues to do so.

    American government was ceded with authority by the rights of Americans, not any other people. America’s government has no authority to militarily oppose another country’s government simply because it is not serving its citizens, or even oppressing its citizens. America may assist oppressed citizens in overthrowing oppressive governments, but America alone has no authority to forcibly remove a government on behalf of oppressed citizens.

    America’s response to terrorism against Americans should be what it has been — to root out and destroy terrorism and terrorists wherever they are, and to hold accountable national governments who support them.

  • robert108

    I think Murtha could well be considered at least the main spokesman for the retreatists/defeatists.

  • Bat One

    I am astonished at how bitterly the so-called liberals oppose democracy in Iraq, how unwilling they are to give Iraqis a chance, how meager is their support for freedom.

    Bostonian,

    I am equally astonished at the audacity by which they band together and label themselves “Democrats.”

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    Sparkie is a defeatist. He is apparently a follower of Murtha.

    Follower? You mean “fellow traveler”. To say he is a follower of Show Me the Money Murtha, would imply that Murtha is a leader of some sort…

  • robert108

    PE: Generally speaking, regarding terrorism as a tactic leads to the conclusion that it can never be completely eliminated, which is true on the surface, but it generally leads to a feeling of defeat. If one regards terrorism as a strategy, however, it leads to the realization that denying the terrorists their goal, which would be the superior force cutting and running, will eventually lead to the cessation of terrorism as a tactic. One drives the other.

  • LoadTheMule

    Actually, Sparkie, the jingle goes…”the best part of waking up is Folgers in your cup.” Just another one of the many things you’ve gotten wrong of late.

    Regards…

  • robert108

    Sparkie is a defeatist. He is apparently a follower of Murtha.

  • Bostonian

    I am astonished at how bitterly the so-called liberals oppose democracy in Iraq, how unwilling they are to give Iraqis a chance, how meager is their support for freedom.

    They like it much better when they can just write fat checks to dictators in return for meaningless promises.

  • robert108

    Truth: Deposing Saddam restored the ability of the Iraqi people to self-determination. They have a constitution and have had free elections. Iran opposes this, for obvious reasons, and are trying to subvert the right of the Iraqi people to self-determination by funding and sending terrorists to create what appears to be a “civil war”(with the help of our MSM) in Iraq, giving our lefties a propaganda excuse to cut and run.
    Duh

  • 2Hotel9

    You have repeatedly told us here that you will not defend yourself from those who keep telling you that they ARE going to kill you. Do you really think any of us will fight for you? Choose the option by which you will die or live.

  • robert108

    if you let the ME ‘self determine’ do you think it will jive with us security concerns?

    Self-determination is self-determination. Duh
    It will be better for our security concerns than the previous murdering dictator, and our security concern isn’t the only consideration. One more straw man, I see.

  • Bat One

    Jack,

    That was no commenter. That was Sparkie.

    PS You left out Dean Acheson, Alger Hiss, and the Unitarian Church.

  • http://www.campus-watch.org/ Dirty Jack Cash

    Bat…..

    Jack,
    Did you just write this… or have you been saving it since the Cold War? Reads like a position paper oozed from the bowels of the Jimmy Carter State Department.
    Bat One on November 19, 2006 at 04:00 pm

    It was meant to be a parody of …the commentor I was …er… ‘agreeing’ with.

  • HG

    HG, Pilgrim….I don’t think you guys could be more wrong. Pulling out of Iraq would cause us to pay a price much higher than any that we’d stay by staying.

    Rob,

    I do not want to leave Iraq until we’ve established an independant Iraq. I simply disagree that realism bears any responsibility for 9/11. 10 years of weak US leadership does bear some responsibility for 9/11.

    If the Clinton administration had acted in the best interest of America, there may have never been a 9/11. Taking a strong, aggressive posture against terrorism, as Bush has done to some degree, has resulted in no new terrorist attacks in the US.

  • LoadTheMule

    2hotel9,

    Those of us in the (or ex-) military always fight for those who won’t defend themselves. That’s one of the benefits of living in America–cowards (who I abhore) and pacifists (who are misguided) always get a free ride at our expense. So be it.

    Regards…

  • 2Hotel9

    This troll using sparkle’s usename to post is comical. I can’t wait for sparkle to get home from work and see all the crap this one is posting in it’s name.

  • robert108

    Again, the idea that we can eliminate or
    convert the Islamic world is extremely delusional.

    That’s not “realism”, that’s defeatism.

  • HG

    And HG, your last comment abrogates everything you posted above.

    2H9,

    Not everything, but it does my statement that:
    “America alone has no authority to forcibly remove a government on behalf of oppressed citizens.”

    My post was strictly based upon governmental authority. Ken woke me up to the moral responsibility aspect of the argument.

    There seems to be a false dilemma in the argument. It seems only two possibilities exist — realism or the Bush doctrine. There is a lot of room in between. Removing an evil ruler doesn’t necessitate replacing the entire form of government.

    In those few cases where it may, the question must be asked does the leadership exist to support such a monumental task?

  • 2Hotel9

    So which option are you supporting? Live as slave, or kill your self-proclaimed enemies? No 3rd option. Choose.

  • HG

    I’d rather see a pragmatic approach that purposes to protect American’s constitutional rights above any other interest or value (since after all, this is the primary purpose of government.) In this scenario both are protected.

    For instance, going after terrorists anywhere — not excluding cemeteries, mosques, schools, residential housing, etc.– would both kill the terrorists, and force the national government to clearly take a side in the conflict.

    If a ruler or rulers demonstrate partiality towards terrorists, they are allied with the enemy and too must be eliminated. The whole government does not have to be destroyed simply because it isn’t democratic. New leadership can assume the empty seat of an existing government. The idea that democracy is the answer to the ME peace issue is simplistic and naïve.

    Israel has long tolerated the attacks of terrorists, and surrounding nations. It is clear that if Israel is going to remain a nation, they will have to defeat their enemies. So far the US alliance with Israel seems to have been a strong deterrent to such an event. In the meantime, the surrounding nations and terrorist organizations have built up militarily, preparing for this event. It would have been better had this conflict already taken place, before the military capabilities of Israel’s enemies had increased. Nevertheless, this conflict is inevitable. Democracy will not stop the undying hatred of millions of Arabs toward Israel. And after Israel, we’re next. Military force is the only solution, democracy will not solve the problem. Hamas was democratically elected.

  • 2Hotel9

    So, sparkle? Your big solution is to exterminate the entire Muslim population? Or to submit and live as a 3rd class peon under Islam? You are not real clear what your position is. Which is it? There is no 3rd option.

  • 2Hotel9

    LTM, I will raise no hand to defend those who hate me. That shit is over. I will not take orders from people who hate me, either.

    sparkle, your personality that knows how to spell, puntuate, use proper grammatical structure and write a coherent sentence repeatedly has stated it will not defend it’s self. So perhaps you idiots ought to get together and figure out what the fuck y’all think.

    And do it quick, you ain’t got much time left.

  • http://proof-proofpositive.blogspot.com/ proof_positive

    I am just making sure there’s plenty of examples of my public dissent so when Nuremberg Trials Round 2 get underway I can escape the guillotine…

    Reducio ad Hitlerum – you lose, Sparkie!

  • http://sayanythingblog.com robport

    HG, Pilgrim….I don’t think you guys could be more wrong. Pulling out of Iraq would cause us to pay a price much higher than any that we’d stay by staying.

    It sounds like you guys have just lost patience. That is so, so dangerous at this point. If we lose our will now we are going to hand a tremendous victory to the terrorists, and they’ll fashion that victory into momentum for more attacks on us.

    This return to “realism” is a step backward. A dangerous one.

  • WOOFX

    Condoleezza Rice said Saturday the people of Iraq must face up to their differences and realize that they have no future except together.

    Rice said Iraq could learn something from Vietnam’s example. The country has thrived since making tough choices about its internal divisions and economy and is now Southeast Asia’s fastest-growing economy.

    History between the Lines

  • WOOFX

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    if we do not hunt Moby Dick to his death!

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    At sea one day, you’ll smell land where there’ll be no land, and on that day Ahab will go to his grave, but he’ll rise again within the hour. He will rise and beckon.

  • WOOFX

    Mr. Realpolitik

    Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger says military victory is no longer possible in Iraq.

    He told BBC television he doesn’t believe it’s possible to get sectarian violence under control and a unified Iraqi government established in an acceptable time period.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    America has stood by and watched as millions of innocent people were murdered by their own governments. This is to our eternal shame, and we will all stand before God and answer for it.

    hotel, I used to be concerned about that too until god called me up and let me know that unless they’re white and Christian he doesn’t really care. he said he’s more pissed about letting the starving people die. he said whenever we try to do something good we just end up botching it and we should mind our own goddamn business.
    PS ROB – this whole thing was sold to us as WMD pre-emption. we have been leaning on this idealist ‘remove saddam and bring democracy’ ever since people figured out we lied about the WMDs and the realist justifications. now that the non-deluded realists are showing up to repair the mess we shouldn’t be belly aching. see Adelman and Richard Perle’s admission of idiocy in the last Vanity Fair. feel free to continue your delusion, but the sooner you join the ‘not totally deluded’ party the better.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    That’s not “realism”, that’s defeatism.

    No. It really isn’t. Its the difference between policy that comes from people who know what they are talking about and policy from idiots.
    Run your model r108. Give the ME democracy. Then imagine who they’ll vote for.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    The other funny thing is the people railing on realism probably are looking at the whole thing at around 60%:40% (realism:idealism)… yet they sit around bitching that realism is so wrong. Its an oversimplification and its not doing any good for any of this.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    This return to “realism” is a step backward.

    Rob couldn’t be more wrong. Our ‘idealist’ rationalization comes late. First it was Nigerian yellowcake, national security, Saddam is a threat rationalizations. These are realist rationalizations and the best ones we’ve seen to date except for the fact that some of it was lies.
    Idealism is the ‘lets bring democracy to the entire middle east, by means of extreme force if necessary’. Idealism of yesteryear would be more like ‘lets protect our democracy and others’ ability to self-determine if they want to’. Idealism of yesteryear is real idealism. New idealism is actually revolutionism in disguise as idealism – we are forcing our way on the world by force as a preventative measure. Idealism is great for motivating masses who don’t get lots of fancy realist rationalizations – but when its revolutionism it’s not idealism. In reality it makes for poor policy.
    Bush 41′s people foreign policy people are not hacks and their input is not a step backwards.
    A much more liberal international relations model would be some sort of post-constructionist theory. Each case is unique and must be considered individually, keeping in mind that we are using constructed ideas in a constructed world so we are wrong whatever we say. Needless to point out libs are hypocritical when they claim something is objectively wrong and then turn around and use these types of IR theories.
    Personally I think a realist approach is more desirable to idealism or revolutionism. The post-constructionist stuff is good to throw in at certain intervals when one feels the options have not been elucidated fully.
    What we’ve seen so far… from the rationalizations to spending to troop level to torture to unilateralism have been very poor at helping us achieve a goal of mostly peaceful co-existence with the Islamic world. The simple truth is that we are not going to eliminate the Islamic world so peaceful co-existence, however hippie it sounds, it our only viable goal.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    We’re returning to the days when the United States put its regional hopes mainly in leaders who were reliable thugs.

    We’re returning to right now – we never stopped doing that. Pay attention when people from Kazakhstan come to town and Bush licks their ass clean for them.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    nothing prevents another terrorist attack against the US. That is the fatal flaw in the realists’ approach.

    This is BS too. The realists are motivated by security, money, stability… not idea spreading. Again, the idea that we can eliminate or convert the Islamic world is extremely delusional.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    ‘US’ not ‘us’

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    ha ha ha. we’ll see what happens. it won’t be one of hotel’s two options though (good job toting the line for the tools though). sorry extremists. maybe you should have a ‘hate islam and kill off all our 18 years olds’ party so you can all celebrate your delusion and your idealism (God thinks you’re jerks too). good luck with that. luckily the only tools who used to believe in these types of tactics are either getting out of gov’t (adelman, perle (admitted Israeli spy), rumsfeld, wolfowitz), getting dressed down (that arab (how come we haven’t exterminated him yet?) general), or facing potential war crimes trials. jerry falwell wants his brain back too (and his dashing good looks). ha ha ha.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    also I see that the Syrians are already in Baghdad. hmm. doesn’t look like you guys will get much edification. again… reality vs. what the SA majority thinks… and we have a winner! reality.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    hotel. like i said. wait and see. there will be umpteen more options.
    good luck destroying islam though buddy. you’ll need more than a few of those MOABs.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    i have said that:
    i will defend myself. and never said anything to contradict that. i don’t consider the country to be an extension of myself so if you think that not defending the country = not defending myself… then there you go. I am just making sure there’s plenty of examples of my public dissent so when Nuremberg Trials Round 2 get underway I can escape the guillotine… unlike all you fascists. but i’ll eat popcorn and watch your heads roll. not at the hands of the jihadists… rather at the hands of world justice (euro-socialists) and GOD (who is a euro-socialist)! hee hee hee.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    hotel
    i have said specificly that i will fight to defend myself. i don’t really know where you are getting this shit.

  • http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/author/sparkiearbuckle sayanything-81

    carrick, proof, and r108 demonstrate their divorce from reality. carrick. there is a time for cynicism. its now. the jingle goes:
    “the great part of waking up
    is folgers in your cup.”
    smell the coffee.
    and r108
    let me rephrase:
    if you let the ME ‘self determine’ do you think it will jive with us security concerns?

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